TRIVIA:

The soundtrack for "Star Trek IV" was the first "Star Trek" Soundtrack to be put on CD Rom.

It was also on 33 1/3 RPM in LIMITED quantities

I still want somebody to use the intermix formula from The Naked Time for time travel. This nit applies to the classic Trek episode/backdoor pilot with Gary 7 as well. The clear implication in The Naked Time is that time travel would now be possible via the discovery of the intermix formula. The whip-around-the-sun-to-pick-up-speed doesn't work for me. The idea is, if you transcend light speed, you will start to move back in time. But obviously you don't since the Enterprise routinely transcends light speed, without the aid of the sun't gravity for a slingshot. The intermix, however, involves antimatter, and who knows what crazy temporal effects that stuff might have - see Jack Wiliamson's "Seetee" stories, collected in novel form as Seetee Ship and Seetee Shock - for an example of the possibilities here. ("Seetee" is "CT"-contraterrene or anti matter.)

Also, with the slingshot method, how do they get back to their own time by using the same method they used to go to the past?

The whip-around-the-sun thing has roots in Trek Science.

You have to go to the Blish version of Tomorrow is Yesterday, though. It has to do with the interaction of the warp field with an intense gravitational field.

I never really bought it, though.

Yes, and seeing as this is the most plausible of the Star Trek movies (going back in time in a stiolen klingon ship to get an extinct species to save Earth,) we wouldn't want any factual errors, would we? :-)

Seriously... it's become such a part of Star Trek lore that it's one of those things you just have to roll with, even if it doesn't make sense.

OOH LA LA!

When Gillian approaches the cloaked ship, she notices the helicopter above. It's then you see that her sweater is VERY TIGHT.

Here's the story of the "mystery woman" who "directs" Uhura and Chekov to the "nuclear wessels" in Alameda. Her name, btw, is Layla Sarakalo.

Observation/question:

Somewhere during the hospital scenes, there was a background intercom page for a Dr. Sandy Zober. Wasn't this Nimoy's wife at the time?

The off topic posts have been moved to the appropriate thread here.
74s, if you're going to ask people that question, please do them the courtesy of telling them where the thread is.

The use of Michelob beer in this film, and of Levi's Jeans in Star Trek V, were some of the relatively few instances of product placement in any Trek series or film. (I don't know if Kirk's Samsonite suitcase in "This Side Of Paradise" qualifies.) If anyone remembers any others, please let me know here.

Somewhere during the hospital scenes, there was a background intercom page for a Dr. Sandy Zober. Wasn't this Nimoy's wife at the time?

Yes. But, they divorced in 1987, after 33 years of marriage. Nimoy married actress Susan Bay in 1988.

There was a soundtrack to Back To The Beach. It's long out of print, but available from some sellers via Amazon. But, "I Hate You" isn't included on the CD.

Where did they use Michelob and Levi's?

The Levis were probably during the El Capitan climbing scene...
Yes. Levi Strauss company even gets a credit at the end of Trek V. I don't remember if Anheuser-Busch got one for Trek IV.

Did the Klingon ship have its hull breached on the way into crash-landing on Earth? They didn't mention one. How else would the water get in? I shouldn't think water would just leak into an (in theory) airtight spaceship.

Shouldn't the whales have been electrocuted? (with all those severed power cables underwater)

They opened the cargo bay doors when they landed in the water, din't they?

Yes, but the ship was flooding before that.

It probably went up the tail pipe. Though, i'd imagine that some force field failed because of the probe and areas like the landing gear bays started to leak.

Ted Prohowich: In "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" there is a brief scene where you see a
newspaper (San Francisco Register), that has a headline "Nuclear Arms Talks Stalled."
I only have a video tape and can't see the date on the newspaper.

1) Is the San Francisco Register a real newspaper?

2) Can you read the date of the newspaper on a laser disc, DVD, or the original film?

3) If you could read the date on the newspaper, would that
date be concidered canon as the day they arrived in 1986
San Francisco?

Phil: If the date is legible, I'd say it's also canonical but I don't had a DVD! Anybody?

Post originally made, Nov. 1998

Ah, those nuclear wessels..... ;-)

Omer: Good question. (ClassicTrek/Movies/ST4:TVH).
I searched the WWW for the San Francisco Register and I couldn't find if that was a real newspaper. If it's not a real paper then it's a manufactured prop.

Well, if Phil put it here...

I have narrowed it down to months with longer names.
That leaves the following months:
January - Maybe.
February - Maybe.
August - Good chance.
September - Good chance.
October - Good chance.
November - Not sure (aired 11/26).
December - Probably not.
Maybe there should be a contest.

Just an idea: The Reykjavik summit between Reagan and Gorbachev occured at October 11-12, 1986. And it failed (because of SDI) !

I like your idea (Reagan & Gorbachev in Reykjavik).
For (Monday, October 13, 1986) newspaper

This date is only 44 days before the premier of ST4:TVH (Nov. 26). That seems a little too close for me. If that newspaper were an actual newspaper and not a prop, then August or early September would sound even better.

Now for question #4 of my original post!
When was filming for ST4 done in San Francisco?
This may narrow it down a little more.

Nimoy said in his autobiography ("I am Spock") that he made up the headline so that it would seem current (for 1986) no matter what happened.

Ted--the Internet Movie Database lists the following locations for Star Trek IV: Alameda Naval Air Station, Alameda, California, (probably the aircraft carrier scenes), Monterey Bay Aquarium, Monterey, California, (Monterey is across the bay from SF), and San Francisco, California (most of the other exteriors). The biggest give away is that you can see the Golden Gate and Bay bridges in the background during the 20th Century scenes, and they are not fake backdrops.

Mike,

Sorry, Buck-o, but Monterey is not across the bay from SF. Monterey is on the south part of Monterey Bay, about 1 hour south of SF. It is directly across Monterey Bay from Santa Cruz. Trust me, I went to UC Santa Cruz.

ScottN
Thanks for the info. Leonard Nimoy didn't say if he put a date on there, did he?

Not that I recall... As director, he was trying to avoid being too specific...

ScottN--oooops, my mistake! I was just in San Francisco last year, and I didn't go to Monterrey because it was an hour's drive away. I'm getting Monterrey confused with the town just across the Golden Gate Bridge (the name of which escapes me at the moment).

Marin.

Eventhough Nimoy wasn't trying to be specific on the date for Star Trek IV, it looks like someone _did_ put a date on that newspaper. It is probably random.

The newspaper gag was also used in Nick Meyer's Time After Time. When he's transported to 1979 San Francisco, H.G. Wells (Malcolm Mc Dowell) eyeballs a paper with the headlines "Colts Maul Rams," or something similar.

That would be the second thing from that movie that Meyer used. The scene where Meyer trashes rock music by having Spock deal with the colorful busrider with a Vulcan Neck Pinch is derived from a scene he wrote for Time After Time, but had to cut. (Though I'm curious as to how the scene played out in that script, since there wasn't any Vulcans or nerve pinches in that story.)

Luigi,
In the Time After Time script, H.G. Wells is walking down the street and a young oriental kid is blasting punk music on his boom box. Later, when the female lead asks him what kind of music he likes, he says "I like all kinds of music, except oriental". Meyers cut it because he thought it was to long between the set-up and pay-off.

I went to the Star Trek: Experience in Las Vegas from 2-7pm today. Now, it's about 8:30 pm PDT.

It took 6 years 9 months, but I have an answer to my original question.

There is a prop of a pawn claim ticket in the Museum at the Star Trek: Experience with the following information:

A32 8176

Feinberg's Loan and Pawn
180 Hoyt St. - San Francisco, CA
(415) KL5-1059

Name: Sydney Carton
Phone No.: 555-1701
Description: 1 Pair
Antique Eyeglasses

Month 1 ... (8) ... 12
Day 1 ... (19) ... 30
Year 81 ... (86) ... 89

-----------------------------------------------

That's Tuesday, August 19, 1986!

P.S.
Sydney Carton was a character who sacrificed his life in Charles Dickens' "A Tale of Two Cities."

The phone number is from the USS Enterprise registry number NCC-1701.

Gene Roddenberry's birthday is August 19th.

Luigi (By LUIGI NOVI on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 06:55 pm):

Meyer didn't do a d@mn thing. Nimoy directed this movie. Meyer directed STII and STVI.

According to Imdb.com , Meyer is credited with the screenplay, along with 3 other writers. (The movie lists 6 writes total, including Roddenberry.)

Is the San Francisco Register a real newspaper?

I don't believe so. The two main newspapers in San Fransisco are the Chronicle and Examiner. It could have been at the time, I suppose.

"Luigi (By LUIGI NOVI on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 06:55 pm):

Meyer didn't do a d@mn thing. Nimoy directed this movie. Meyer directed STII and STVI."

"According to Imdb.com , Meyer is credited with the screenplay, along with 3 other writers. (The movie lists 6 writes total, including Roddenberry.)"-ccabe

So, who wrote Star Trek IV, exactly? Well, according to Shatner's Star Trek Movie Memories: (My synopsizing)

The original story, written for Eddie Murphy, was no longer workable when Murphy dropped out. Meyers was called in because (as is detailed in an earlier section- really, any Trekkies on the board should read this, it's a fascinating book) he basicaly had the reputation of being the guy that could do almost anything in an absurdly short amount of time. Especially storywriting at cruch time, as he did with TWOK. So they called him in, as a friend and aquaintence, to take a look at reworking the story post-Murphy because of a tight deadline. Though Meyers had stayed away from Search For Spock, feeling that Spock's ressurection "attacked the integrity and authenticity of the feelings provoked by his death" in Meyer's TWOK, now that Spock was back anyhow, Meyers was open to returning.

To quote Meyers in the book,
"They said 'We're a little bit under the gun now because our production date is closing in. Is that a problem for you?' And I said "Hey, C'mon, 'Under the Gun' is my middle name! Remember me? I'm the twelve day wonder! I'm in!""

Meyers ended up WRITING THE MOVIE in the past time period- from the line "Judging from the polution content of the atmosphere..." to the line just previous to "D.H. Lawrence and the whales." The 'Future' time period story was written by Harve Bennett.

Slightly more than "Meyer didn't do a d@mn thing" (An interesting e-mail adress, by the way...?)

Meyers had some difficulty as he felt he was almost re-hashing his film Time After Time. In fact, the "I Hate You" scene came directly from a similar, neck-pinchless scene in Time After Time (which was dropped) where a time-traveling H.G. Wells being 'held captive on a street corner, unable to escape' (taking the 'Do Not Walk' sign on the corner as a litteral command) is besieged by the noise coming from a Chinese boy and his Ghetto Blaster in a car. This later sets up a gag in which he's asked what kind of music he likes and responds "...Anything but oriental." Though to be fair, Nimoy also claims he came up with the scene, besieged by the noise during a peaceful walk in the park and wishing he had Spock's Neck Pinch abilities...

Meyers decided to write The Voyage Home as, essentialy, a scavenger hunt, and the pieces fell into place.

According to the book, Meyers, Bennett, and Nimoy were responsible for the story- with Roddenberry, as he is sadly often characterized in the book, as a creator forced into the role of outsider, desperately trying to exert some control over what was once his own.

Krikes or Meerson were involved solely in the original draft "Eddie Murphy" stage, not the finished screenplay.

So the writers of what you see on-screen are Bennett and Meyers, based off of Bennett and Nimoy's story idea and possibly some of Krikes and Meerson's original story treatment.

Zarm, the quote about Meyer is by ScottN, not myself. He was addressing me.

Because I mistook Luigi's post as saying that Meyer directed.

According to Nimoy, Meyer's script contributions begin at "Based on the pollution content..."

Oh. Gotcha. I was a little confused about that quoting anyway.

"Kirk's Goofy Weight Estimate"

Early in the film, Kirk queries Scotty if the cargo bay can be inclosed to hold water. After the affirmative, Kirk tells Scott that they are looking for "Humpback Whales, about 40 Tons each".

Later in the film, Gillian brings the tour to the pool that holds the humpbacks and declares, "They are mature Humpbacks, weighing 45,000 pounds each.

Well ... if the "1986" weight equivalent of One Ton = 2,000 pounds is the same as Kirk's 23rd century version of a ton, then he is WAY off on his estimate to Scott. 40 tons is equal to 80,0000 pounds by Gillian's weight count, which would make BOTH of the Humpbacks nearly equal to Kirk's estimate, not just one as he told Scott. 45,000 pounds is 22.5 tons (by the 1986 reckoning).

Kirk's "40 tonnes" would be metric tonnes or 1000kg. 40,000kg is approximately 18,181 lbs (1 lbs = 2.2 kg) so it all holds up in the end.

No, you're backwards. 1kg weighs about 2.2 pounds. 18181 kg = 40000 lb.

40000kg = 88000 lbs.

Ah ... the "kilo factor" at work! (roll another one)

maybe it was a metric ton that Scotty was referring to...

Whoops, you're right ScottN, and that makes the nit even worse.

(That's what I get for using the M5 computer in my basement to do standard to metric calculations. Darn thing can't even calculate the price of a pie, er, I mean the value of pi).

Janice Rand must be a fan of Shirley Temple...seeing she's got her hair styled like hers. (I like Rand's hairstyle in TOS, STTMP & STVI)

I usually at least skim all the boards of a topic before posting but there's just too much to go through so my apologies if I cover something already mentioned.

Uhura says she has the exact coordinates to the Enterprise's (CVN-65) reactor yet they beam outside of the reactor chamber. Sure they would be contaminated by radiation but they would finish faster and I don't doubt with 23rd century medicine any radiation damage would be healed. Also, on the bridge we see two radar screens flashing and the sailors operating them conclude there's a power drain and it's being caused from inside the ship. If they were anchored the latter would be obvious but all US nuclear wessils, and others that require constant power, run their machinery from shore power when pierside. The Enterprise needs better trained roving watches if two people in civilian clothes huddled next to the reactor shield weren't noticed.

The communicators were obviously Klingon but were the phasers as well? I ask because I don't recall Klingons ever using small energy weapons like that, before or after this movie. Also, was it in TNG that Klingon weapons were first referred to as phase-disruptors?

Gillian was brought to the 23rd century and was immediately given a station on a science vessil. She's the only whale expert on Earth, and has a personal connection to George and Gracy, and SF puts her on a ship? She sure takes Kirk's time travel story pretty well.

Was this movie the least expensive of the Trek films? For the forth movie there wasn't much special effects, which isn't a bad thing, but did TPTB have to skimp on the design of the probe?

Was this movie the least expensive of the Trek films?

According to Wikipedia, the film had a budget of $25 million, making it the third in terms of budget. The least expensive movie was ST:II at $11 million, with ST:III costing $17 million. Don't ask me how, but ST:V actualy cost more than this movie, at $27.8 million.

While the movie lacked special effects, I think that the whale sequences were rather expensive. If I remember correctly, animatronic whales were built for some of the shots.

Uhura says she has the exact coordinates to the Enterprise's (CVN-65) reactor yet they beam outside of the reactor chamber. Sure they would be contaminated by radiation but they would finish faster and I don't doubt with 23rd century medicine any radiation damage would be healed.

The radiation was apparently causing transporter and communicator interference, they had the coordinates, but couldn't get a lock.

Also, on the bridge we see two radar screens flashing and the sailors operating them conclude there's a power drain and it's being caused from inside the ship. If they were anchored the latter would be obvious but all US nuclear wessils, and others that require constant power, run their machinery from shore power when pierside.

It's been a while since I've seen it, but weren't they running a diagnostic onboard the Enterprise, and that's how they found the power drain?

I don't doubt the animatronic whales were quite pricey, didn't the people who did that win an academy award, but the probe could've been designed by an infant. It was just a black cylinder with a circular hole in it.

I thought the comms problem was from the HMS Bounty's dilithium de-crystalization? Either way, I didn't consider the radiation interfering with the transporter, which was probably the case, until after I posted that. Thanks again ScottN!

I believe there were running simulations, but it may have diagnostics. Either way, naval technology of that era doesn't detect power fluctuations in that manner, but all that device was doing was collecting high energy photons, which shouldn't disrupt the fission reaction anyway, especially if the Enterprise was on shore power.

When Checkov was being questioned, by who I assume is the captain, he turns around and his associate says "he's a Ruskie(?)." He obviously deduced this by Pavel's accent but aren't there easter European countries who's accents sound similar to Russian? It's probably a safe assumption, considering the Cold War is still going on I believe, but it's still just that. Also, even though Kirk only tells people in uniform to remove their rank insignia, would it be wise to leave ID on the ship as well, espicially since in today's military ID is considered part of the uniform?

Given that it still was the cold war 'Ruskie' would probably cover most of Eastern Europe in informal coversation as they are all part of the Warsaw Pact.

On thatnote, was it really the best idea to send Chekov to retrieve the photons?

The two crewmen on CVN-65 call the LT over and he says: "I thought you gents were running a test program?"

I think the guys that were questioning Chekov were FBI or CIA men, they weren't in uniform, but 3 piece suits instead.

The two crewmen call over the command duty officer, who is a commander, but thank you for clearing that up. I don't know of any naval 'test programs' that isn't a training simulation but the screens still wouldn't flash like that from a power drain. They would either be on, or off, unless there's a problem with the monitor itself.

I hate to admit that I never considered those two guys to be feds. Officer dress uniforms have a white shirt and black tie but certainly not a vest for a three-piece. Thanks again!

Not necessarily a nit but it didn't seem like Bones had any idea of what 20th century medicne was like. He talked down to the other doctors like they should know what he knows.

If I remember correctly, animatronic whales were built for some of the shots.
I believe they were. There was a rumor going around in early 1987 that the animatronic whales were re-skinned as the shark for Jaws - The Revenge.
When Gillian and Kirk are dining, the waiter brings the "bad news" (the check) with the pizza. Most restaurants I've eaten in give you the check when you're done. Maybe he knew that they were in a hurry...
Also, Gillian orders onions on the pizza. Yecch!! I don't know about you, but onions on just about anything gross me out. I do like Burger King onion rings, though. Not exactly diet food.

You, sir, are a Philistine.

Onions on pizza are great. There's a mom-and-pop pizza joint near me that makes a killer garlic-and-red-onion pizza.

Is that really a nit, Adam? All pizzarias and restaurants will give onions on pizza. They're not my favorite ingredient on pizza, but I've had 'em.

ScottN- I worked at Carl's jr in 86, in Monterey and didnt know where it was.(it was behind us).and the work crew laughed at me..Where they keep the whales uh?

also saw Mr.Nimoy with 500 other Trekkers , he was at a Pacific G rove homestead type opening.

Is that really a nit, Adam?
Nah, just a personal prejudice that I noted while I was watching the movie on HBO Family the other day. Now pepperoni, that's another story.
Lately, onions really gross me out. And Scott, does it make me more of a Philistine to say that I hate coconuts too?
By the way, we never did see Kirk or Gillian actually eat, did we? Kirk beams from the park into the Klingon Bird of Prey with their pizza, but he exits the transporter empty handed. I guess Gillian went to bed without her supper that night.
Also, (and this may have been noted in a prior post) California requires two plates for all vehicles. Gillian's Chevy truck has only the back plate, which would be ticket bait.

And Scott, does it make me more of a Philistine to say that I hate coconuts too?

Not at all, Adam. Especially since the Moderator can't stand them either.

I'm not much of a coconut man myself... (Except when talking about rachgd -- see JARSO/Port Mike for details).

I bet Gilligan and company hates coconut cream pies...!

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Also way off topic, isnt Brookshier one of the Silent Running agro ships?

Not that I recall, but it's been a long time since I've seen the movie. Even if it is, I would expect they used the much more common spelling, 'Brookshire'.

for Luigi- when I was at San Francisco state during my dad's time as a summer school teacher in the 60s I loved the onion Pizzas Woolworth on Market street made! I was 6..7..

One thing that has always bothered me is...why didn't Kirk & the Enterprise crew bum a ride from Sarek to get to Earth?

Has anyone here bought the new releases of the Star Trek films? I've seen them out in new packaging with what looks like new special features- the intriguing part looks to be the 'Starfleet Academy' files, which look like they're designed to shed some light on the mysterious/unexplained elements in each film- IE the Whale Probe in this film, Praxis in Star Trek VI, etc.

Anyone seen them? Are they any good?


Speaking of explanations for the Probe, I've just completed reading "Music of the Spheres" by Margaret Wander Bonanno. It's available for PDF download at her website, www.margaretwanderbonanno.com. It's the novel that eventually got rewritten as "Probe"- but is a very different story; in some ways, a sequel to the author's novel Dwellers in the Crucible- in many others, a nice wrap-up/fill-in for the events of Star Trek IV (For example: Why didn't Gillian get the rigorous 'Tomorrow Is Yesterday' treatment in analyzing whether her disappearance would negatively impact the timeline?) Plus, of course, a backstory for the Probe itself. It's a recommended read, and free by e-mail request from the author.

Trek movies II and IV will be re-issued in a special, low-priced two-pack, in both DVD and Blu-Ray, on 3/29/11. More here. (I assume the "onions on the pizza" line will remain in this movie. )

Here's a review of the Blu-Ray edition of Star Trek IV. I agree with the writer when he says that the picture on the SD release is "mucky." When this film was run on Sy-Fy's HD channel, the picture was much better than it was on the bare-bones DVD I have. With that low-priced Blu-Ray two-movie-pack coming out soon (with two commentary tracks for this film, plus other extras), it is definitely time to upgrade.

There's what looks like a small brown stain on Spock's robe in the scene where Gillian first sees Spock without his headband on the Bird Of Prey. I never noticed it in theatrical showings, TV runs, or VHS/DVD viewings. But, it sure can be seen on the Blu-Ray.
A great two hour movie, two commentary tracks, plus many other extras, all crammed into a little 4 5/8 inch Blu-Ray disc. Upgrading was worth it. One thing, though - the Blu-Ray doesn't include the "Directors" featurette from the basic DVD. That was a carryover from the Super-VHS release.

The Klingon Ambassador makes a huge fuss about the "murder of a Klingon crew" by Kirk and Co.

Uh, Mr. Ambassador, that Klingon crew illegally entered Federation space, blew up a Federation ship (killing all board), took Federation citizens hostage and then murdered one of them! Mr. Ambassador, you're damned lucky the Federation did not declare war on your Empire for this blatant act of aggression. Shouldn't the Federation shoot back about the murder of a Starfleet crew and a Federation citizen (David Marcus)?

Doesn't invading someone else's sovereign territory, blowing up one of their ships and murdering their people constitute an Act Of War!?

It would have made more sense for the Klingon High Council to borrow from Mission Impossible and publicly dissavow any knowledge of Kruge's action (meaning that Maltz was on his own, they would not attempt to rescue him or negotiate for his return). At least then the Klingons could dipomatically save face and avert the possibility of a war.

Excuse me Tim, I don't think you're looking at the big picture here.

First off--records on the Klingon ship would prove that there were Klingon spies with access to Star Fleet top secret files(Kruge had Kirks own report on the Kahn incident).

Kruge also destroyed a small cargo ship(either Federation or private) to keep the file secret(it's clearly shown that Kruge only decided to destroy the ship after being told that the woman had watched it).

Also Kruges ship was in restricted space(clearly stated in STIII) fairly close to Earth(the Botany Bay was a sub-light ship, and Kahn didn't spend much time on either Enterprise or Reliant)--I'd guess a Starfleet ship that far into Klingon space would be destroyed on sight.

And even better--the clip that the Klingon Ambassador showed proved there were still well-placed spies with access to top secret files in place(not only did he show Kirks Kahn report(which Kruge kept from going further)--he showed footage of the loss of the Enterprise which Kruge couldn't have sent).

Add to that his rant that "while Kirk lives there can be no peace".

Starfleet should have hit the klingons with everything they had as fast as they could--the line had to be drawn.

Oh I agree. Could you imagine the U.S. letting the Soviet Union get away with what the Klingons did?

Note about http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/1986 reference to this page.

I'll upload a picture I took of the pawn shop ticket on August 13, 2005 (6 years 1 month ago) at the Star Trek: The Experience at the Hilton. That was a few years before it closed.

It's been 12 years 10 months since I asked my original question.

Moe the Bartender on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 12:55 am:
Re:Romulan Ale -
As far as I know, Romulan Ale is generally Lager with the addition of the Licquer Blue Curocao to turn it blue... (If you add Cider as well, to the mix, it turns florescent "snot" green....)

And people wonder why I don't drink alcohol!

Andrew Gilbertson (Zarm_rkeeg) on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:19 am:
Has anyone here bought the new releases of the Star Trek films? I've seen them out in new packaging with what looks like new special features- the intriguing part looks to be the 'Starfleet Academy' files, which look like they're designed to shed some light on the mysterious/unexplained elements in each film- IE the Whale Probe in this film, Praxis in Star Trek VI, etc.
Anyone seen them? Are they any good?

I've got STII, STIII and STVI - I like the Starfleet Academy files, but I'm not entirely convinced by the uniform of the officer presenting them!

This was, IMO, the best of the Classic Trek movies.

Although it's a funny scene, the Spock/McCoy conversation about death has a major nit.
Spock tells McCoy that he can't discuss what death was like without the same thing happening to McCoy.
McCoy's outraged that Spock will only talk about it, if he dies, too, the crowd laughs, and the conversation ends.
The only problem is, is that McCoy HAS died before! The Black Knight and his lance mostly certainly killed McCoy, who was only revived because the Shore Leave Planet has the technology to bring dead people back to life.
The only way the ST IV conversation makes sense, is that Spock was dead much, much longer than McCoy. McCoy was dead for perhaps the entirety of the Kirk/Finnegan fight in 'Shore Leave', while Spock was dead from the end of 'The Wrath Of Khan' to the end of 'The Search For Spock' and everything in between the two movies.

I don't know how that nit got by me for 32 years and who knows how many viewings of 'Shore Leave'!

Would have been fun if McCoy had in fact replied that he had died before and the two of them had launched into a deep philosophical discussion.

Yeah, but such a discussion would seem out of place in this light hearted and fun movie.

Haven't seen TVH in many many years.

It's on TV all the time lately. It played (with the other movies) on Epix this past summer. Since September, they've played on the AMC family of channels (AMC, BBC America, Sundance, IFC.)

I've got the DVD.

Which one, Tim? The original pressing (which has no special features) or the 2 disc Special Edition (which is loaded with extras). Me, I have the 33 year old VHS, the basic DVD, and the Blu-Ray. The Blu-Ray has a nice amount of extras, but I think the 2-Disc DVD (now out of print) had it beat. The latest DVD release has a decent amount of extras; you still may be able to pick it up cheap in Walmart.

I have the 2 disc edition.

On Christmas Eve, this writer feels that TVH makes a good Christmas movie. Can't say I disagree.

I agree.

I disagree about STIV being a Christmas film. The only Christmas thing about it is the happy ending at the end. Star Trek Generations and Die Hard are more Christmas like.

I think it means most that this a feel good movie you can watch around Christmas.

And after the year we've just had, we can use all the feel good movies we can get.

2021 will mark the 35th Anniversary of the release of this movie.

And, Star Trek IV will return to theaters for two nights in August, 2021, in celebration of that 35th anniversary, courtesy of Fathom Events. More on that here.

The scene when our favorite crew first walks the streets of San Francisco is loaded with cars that aren't made anymore. And pretty much never seen these days. A Pontiac Firebird and Fiero, Oldsmobile Toronado, an MG and an AMC Hornet, to name five.

What? No Deloreans? This is a time travel movie after all!

Somebody should make a fan edit of that scene adding in Doc Brown's Delorean, the General Lee, KITT, a robot transforming into a car... ;-)

I remember going to see this movie with my friends, way back in 1986.

It happened in another century!

Here's some more on Saavik being pregnant with Spock's child. Which was deleted from the film. I don't know how you feel about it, but I'm glad it was cut.

o.O

I didn't even know that was a thing before right now.

That old rumour still floating around!?

And that's all it was, a rumour.

I do remember one of the Strange New Worlds writing contest short stories explored the idea a little bit, where an older Spock was dealing with a young Vulcan who he suspected might be the child he conceived with Saavik. That was the first time I encountered that idea.

Yeah, this rumour is decades old.

And that's all it was, a rumour.

Saw that in my Google news feed, and I thought I'd share it with y'all anyway. And I heard about the pregnancy subplot ages ago myself, along with something about Spock's mother Amanda looking after Saavik during that pregnancy.
Two out of three people who would know if the pregnancy subplot were true or not, Leonard Nimoy (who of course directed the movie) and Harve Bennett (who wrote that part) are unfortunately no longer with us.

And I guess that Robin Curtis (Saavik Mark II) is the third person.

She's still alive. I wonder if she's said anything about this.

Here's a 35th anniversary salute to this film from ET OnLine. By the way, Kirk Thatcher reprised his role as "Punk On Bus" in Spider-Man Homecoming. Very briefly.

On the Facebook group that I'm a member of, this movie is the most popular.

Here's Eddie Murphy's explanation of why he was set to, but didn't, do this pic.

Fascinating.

When the story about Eddie Murphy being in this movie first surfaced, some worried about it becoming "another Superman III".

Just as well that he dropped out.

Before the BOUNTY leaves Vulcan, Saavik tells kirk that she hasn't had the opportunity to tell him about David's death. They've been on the planet three months!

Good question.

Author Greg Cox is in the same Facebook group that I am, devoted to TOS.

He's talked about about his upcoming novel, Lost To Eternity, part of which will deal with the disappearance of Gillian Taylor from 1986.

Can't wait to read it.