Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home Part 2

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By John A. Lang on Friday, September 10, 2004 - 7:36 am:

TRIVIA:

The soundtrack for "Star Trek IV" was the first "Star Trek" Soundtrack to be put on CD Rom.

It was also on 33 1/3 RPM in LIMITED quantities


By Paul on Friday, October 08, 2004 - 1:54 pm:

I still want somebody to use the intermix formula from The Naked Time for time travel. This nit applies to the classic Trek episode/backdoor pilot with Gary 7 as well. The clear implication in The Naked Time is that time travel would now be possible via the discovery of the intermix formula. The whip-around-the-sun-to-pick-up-speed doesn't work for me. The idea is, if you transcend light speed, you will start to move back in time. But obviously you don't since the Enterprise routinely transcends light speed, without the aid of the sun't gravity for a slingshot. The intermix, however, involves antimatter, and who knows what crazy temporal effects that stuff might have - see Jack Wiliamson's "Seetee" stories, collected in novel form as Seetee Ship and Seetee Shock - for an example of the possibilities here. ("Seetee" is "CT"-contraterrene or anti matter.)


By Nove Rockhoomer on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 9:51 am:

Also, with the slingshot method, how do they get back to their own time by using the same method they used to go to the past?


By ScottN on Saturday, October 09, 2004 - 10:25 am:

The whip-around-the-sun thing has roots in Trek Science.

You have to go to the Blish version of Tomorrow is Yesterday, though. It has to do with the interaction of the warp field with an intense gravitational field.

I never really bought it, though.


By Zarm Rkeeg on Sunday, October 10, 2004 - 3:06 pm:

Yes, and seeing as this is the most plausible of the Star Trek movies (going back in time in a stiolen klingon ship to get an extinct species to save Earth,) we wouldn't want any factual errors, would we? :-)

Seriously... it's become such a part of Star Trek lore that it's one of those things you just have to roll with, even if it doesn't make sense.


By John A. Lang on Monday, December 13, 2004 - 4:47 am:

OOH LA LA!

When Gillian approaches the cloaked ship, she notices the helicopter above. It's then you see that her sweater is VERY TIGHT.


By Adam Bomb on Monday, April 03, 2006 - 11:26 am:

Here's the story of the "mystery woman" who "directs" Uhura and Chekov to the "nuclear wessels" in Alameda. Her name, btw, is Layla Sarakalo.


By Zarm Rkeeg on Tuesday, June 14, 2005 - 10:53 am:

Follow up to the October 31, 2003 post. I was noodling around on the net when I found an interview with Kirk thatcher. Included was this transcript:

"I HATE YOU"

Lyrics by Kirk R. Thatcher
Music by Mark Mangini


(to be sung Allegro con Temptible)


Just what is the future?
The things we've done and said.
Let's just push the button.
We'd be better off dead!


And I hate you!
and I berate you !
and I can't wait to get to you...


The sins of all the fathers,
being dumped on us the sons
The only choice we're given is:
How many megatons?


So I eschew you!
And I say "SCREW YOU"!
And I hope you're blue too!


We're all bloody worthless,
Just greedy human scum,
The numbers all add up
to a negative sum...


And I hate you!
And I hate you!
And I hate you...too!


(Repeat in angry scream 'til hoarse or blood sprays from throat. Whichever comes first...)


By Bob L on Friday, August 11, 2006 - 6:56 pm:

Observation/question:

Somewhere during the hospital scenes, there was a background intercom page for a Dr. Sandy Zober. Wasn't this Nimoy's wife at the time?


By Butch the Moderator on Saturday, August 12, 2006 - 7:34 pm:

The off topic posts have been moved to the appropriate thread here.
74s, if you're going to ask people that question, please do them the courtesy of telling them where the thread is.


By Adam Bomb on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:15 am:

The use of Michelob beer in this film, and of Levi's Jeans in Star Trek V, were some of the relatively few instances of product placement in any Trek series or film. (I don't know if Kirk's Samsonite suitcase in "This Side Of Paradise" qualifies.) If anyone remembers any others, please let me know here.

Somewhere during the hospital scenes, there was a background intercom page for a Dr. Sandy Zober. Wasn't this Nimoy's wife at the time?

Yes. But, they divorced in 1987, after 33 years of marriage. Nimoy married actress Susan Bay in 1988.


By Adam Bomb on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 11:39 am:

There was a soundtrack to Back To The Beach. It's long out of print, but available from some sellers via Amazon. But, "I Hate You" isn't included on the CD.


By LUIGI NOVI on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 7:49 pm:

Where did they use Michelob and Levi's?


By ScottN on Tuesday, August 15, 2006 - 8:43 pm:

Michelob was used in the restaurant scene. Not sure about Levis.


By Zarm Rkeeg on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 1:25 pm:

" But, "I Hate You" isn't included on the CD. "

Tragically. Seriously, a documentary, or even recording, on the Star Trek IV disc could have been the best DVD extra in the history of mankind, but no...

By the by, if I had to guess, the Levis were probably during the El Capitan climbing scene...


By ScottN on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 5:54 pm:

El Capitan was in Trek V, not Trek IV.


By Josh M on Wednesday, August 16, 2006 - 9:09 pm:

Adam Bomb mentioned that, Scott.


By ScottN on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 6:41 am:

OK. Sorry 'bout the dupe.


By Adam Bomb on Thursday, August 17, 2006 - 7:21 am:

The Levis were probably during the El Capitan climbing scene...
Yes. Levi Strauss company even gets a credit at the end of Trek V. I don't remember if Anheuser-Busch got one for Trek IV.


By dotter31 on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 11:19 pm:

Did the Klingon ship have its hull breached on the way into crash-landing on Earth? They didn't mention one. How else would the water get in? I shouldn't think water would just leak into an (in theory) airtight spaceship.

Shouldn't the whales have been electrocuted? (with all those severed power cables underwater)


By Brian FitzGerald on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 1:09 pm:

They opened the cargo bay doors when they landed in the water, din't they?


By dotter31 on Sunday, October 01, 2006 - 2:34 pm:

Yes, but the ship was flooding before that.


By Torque, Son of Keplar on Monday, October 02, 2006 - 11:05 am:

It probably went up the tail pipe. Though, i'd imagine that some force field failed because of the probe and areas like the landing gear bays started to leak.


By Ted Prohowich on Tuesday, October 03, 2006 - 6:33 pm:

Ted Prohowich: In "Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home" there is a brief scene where you see a
newspaper (San Francisco Register), that has a headline "Nuclear Arms Talks Stalled."
I only have a video tape and can't see the date on the newspaper.

1) Is the San Francisco Register a real newspaper?

2) Can you read the date of the newspaper on a laser disc, DVD, or the original film?

3) If you could read the date on the newspaper, would that
date be concidered canon as the day they arrived in 1986
San Francisco?

Phil: If the date is legible, I'd say it's also canonical but I don't had a DVD! Anybody?

Post originally made, Nov. 1998


By Omer on Thursday, November 26, 1998 - 8:02 am:

Don't wanna nitpick ( well, acually... :-) but doesn't this belong to the movie boards in The Classic Trek section?

And now it is, thanks to your friendly Mod.


By Chris Ashley on Thursday, November 26, 1998 - 3:48 pm:

Ah, those nuclear wessels..... ;-)


By Ted Prohowich on Friday, November 27, 1998 - 12:32 pm:

Omer: Good question. (ClassicTrek/Movies/ST4:TVH).
I searched the WWW for the San Francisco Register and I couldn't find if that was a real newspaper. If it's not a real paper then it's a manufactured prop.


By K.N.D. on Monday, November 30, 1998 - 1:53 pm:

Well, if Phil put it here...


By Ted Prohowich on Thursday, December 03, 1998 - 4:22 pm:

I have narrowed it down to months with longer names.
That leaves the following months:
January - Maybe.
February - Maybe.
August - Good chance.
September - Good chance.
October - Good chance.
November - Not sure (aired 11/26).
December - Probably not.
Maybe there should be a contest.


By Matthias Roth on Sunday, December 06, 1998 - 4:09 pm:

Just an idea: The Reykjavik summit between Reagan and Gorbachev occured at October 11-12, 1986. And it failed (because of SDI) !


By Ted Prohowich on Monday, December 14, 1998 - 10:36 am:

I like your idea (Reagan & Gorbachev in Reykjavik).
For (Monday, October 13, 1986) newspaper

This date is only 44 days before the premier of ST4:TVH (Nov. 26). That seems a little too close for me. If that newspaper were an actual newspaper and not a prop, then August or early September would sound even better.

Now for question #4 of my original post!
When was filming for ST4 done in San Francisco?
This may narrow it down a little more.


By ScottN on Monday, December 14, 1998 - 12:34 pm:

Nimoy said in his autobiography ("I am Spock") that he made up the headline so that it would seem current (for 1986) no matter what happened.


By Mike Konczewski on Monday, December 14, 1998 - 4:05 pm:

Ted--the Internet Movie Database lists the following locations for Star Trek IV: Alameda Naval Air Station, Alameda, California, (probably the aircraft carrier scenes), Monterey Bay Aquarium, Monterey, California, (Monterey is across the bay from SF), and San Francisco, California (most of the other exteriors). The biggest give away is that you can see the Golden Gate and Bay bridges in the background during the 20th Century scenes, and they are not fake backdrops.


By ScottN on Monday, December 14, 1998 - 4:47 pm:

Mike,

Sorry, Buck-o, but Monterey is not across the bay from SF. Monterey is on the south part of Monterey Bay, about 1 hour south of SF. It is directly across Monterey Bay from Santa Cruz. Trust me, I went to UC Santa Cruz.


By Ted Prohowich on Monday, December 14, 1998 - 6:58 pm:

ScottN
Thanks for the info. Leonard Nimoy didn't say if he put a date on there, did he?


By ScottN on Tuesday, December 15, 1998 - 12:45 am:

Not that I recall... As director, he was trying to avoid being too specific...


By Mike Konczewski on Tuesday, December 15, 1998 - 6:42 am:

ScottN--oooops, my mistake! I was just in San Francisco last year, and I didn't go to Monterrey because it was an hour's drive away. I'm getting Monterrey confused with the town just across the Golden Gate Bridge (the name of which escapes me at the moment).


By ScottN on Tuesday, December 15, 1998 - 9:39 am:

Marin.


By Ted Prohowich on Wednesday, December 16, 1998 - 9:07 pm:

Eventhough Nimoy wasn't trying to be specific on the date for Star Trek IV, it looks like someone _did_ put a date on that newspaper. It is probably random.


By Adam Bomb on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 9:50 am:

The newspaper gag was also used in Nick Meyer's Time After Time. When he's transported to 1979 San Francisco, H.G. Wells (Malcolm Mc Dowell) eyeballs a paper with the headlines "Colts Maul Rams," or something similar.


By LUIGI NOVI on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 5:55 pm:

That would be the second thing from that movie that Meyer used. The scene where Meyer trashes rock music by having Spock deal with the colorful busrider with a Vulcan Neck Pinch is derived from a scene he wrote for Time After Time, but had to cut. (Though I'm curious as to how the scene played out in that script, since there wasn't any Vulcans or nerve pinches in that story.)


By Kail on Friday, May 21, 2004 - 4:38 am:

Luigi,
In the Time After Time script, H.G. Wells is walking down the street and a young oriental kid is blasting punk music on his boom box. Later, when the female lead asks him what kind of music he likes, he says "I like all kinds of music, except oriental". Meyers cut it because he thought it was to long between the set-up and pay-off.


By Ted Prohowich on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 9:33 pm:

I went to the Star Trek: Experience in Las Vegas from 2-7pm today. Now, it's about 8:30 pm PDT.

It took 6 years 9 months, but I have an answer to my original question.

There is a prop of a pawn claim ticket in the Museum at the Star Trek: Experience with the following information:

A32 8176

Feinberg's Loan and Pawn
180 Hoyt St. - San Francisco, CA
(415) KL5-1059

Name: Sydney Carton
Phone No.: 555-1701
Description: 1 Pair
Antique Eyeglasses

Month 1 ... (8) ... 12
Day 1 ... (19) ... 30
Year 81 ... (86) ... 89

-----------------------------------------------

That's Tuesday, August 19, 1986!


By Ted Prohowich on Saturday, August 13, 2005 - 9:57 pm:

P.S.
Sydney Carton was a character who sacrificed his life in Charles Dickens' "A Tale of Two Cities."

The phone number is from the USS Enterprise registry number NCC-1701.

Gene Roddenberry's birthday is August 19th.


By ScottN on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 1:10 am:

Luigi (By LUIGI NOVI on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 06:55 pm):

Meyer didn't do a d@mn thing. Nimoy directed this movie. Meyer directed STII and STVI.


By ccabe on Sunday, August 14, 2005 - 12:42 pm:

According to Imdb.com , Meyer is credited with the screenplay, along with 3 other writers. (The movie lists 6 writes total, including Roddenberry.)


By dotter31 on Saturday, September 30, 2006 - 11:32 pm:

Is the San Francisco Register a real newspaper?

I don't believe so. The two main newspapers in San Fransisco are the Chronicle and Examiner. It could have been at the time, I suppose.


By Zarm Rkeeg on Thursday, October 05, 2006 - 11:57 pm:

"Luigi (By LUIGI NOVI on Thursday, May 20, 2004 - 06:55 pm):

Meyer didn't do a d@mn thing. Nimoy directed this movie. Meyer directed STII and STVI."

"According to Imdb.com , Meyer is credited with the screenplay, along with 3 other writers. (The movie lists 6 writes total, including Roddenberry.)"-ccabe

So, who wrote Star Trek IV, exactly? Well, according to Shatner's Star Trek Movie Memories: (My synopsizing)

The original story, written for Eddie Murphy, was no longer workable when Murphy dropped out. Meyers was called in because (as is detailed in an earlier section- really, any Trekkies on the board should read this, it's a fascinating book) he basicaly had the reputation of being the guy that could do almost anything in an absurdly short amount of time. Especially storywriting at cruch time, as he did with TWOK. So they called him in, as a friend and aquaintence, to take a look at reworking the story post-Murphy because of a tight deadline. Though Meyers had stayed away from Search For Spock, feeling that Spock's ressurection "attacked the integrity and authenticity of the feelings provoked by his death" in Meyer's TWOK, now that Spock was back anyhow, Meyers was open to returning.

To quote Meyers in the book,
"They said 'We're a little bit under the gun now because our production date is closing in. Is that a problem for you?' And I said "Hey, C'mon, 'Under the Gun' is my middle name! Remember me? I'm the twelve day wonder! I'm in!""

Meyers ended up WRITING THE MOVIE in the past time period- from the line "Judging from the polution content of the atmosphere..." to the line just previous to "D.H. Lawrence and the whales." The 'Future' time period story was written by Harve Bennett.

Slightly more than "Meyer didn't do a d@mn thing" (An interesting e-mail adress, by the way...?)

Meyers had some difficulty as he felt he was almost re-hashing his film Time After Time. In fact, the "I Hate You" scene came directly from a similar, neck-pinchless scene in Time After Time (which was dropped) where a time-traveling H.G. Wells being 'held captive on a street corner, unable to escape' (taking the 'Do Not Walk' sign on the corner as a litteral command) is besieged by the noise coming from a Chinese boy and his Ghetto Blaster in a car. This later sets up a gag in which he's asked what kind of music he likes and responds "...Anything but oriental." Though to be fair, Nimoy also claims he came up with the scene, besieged by the noise during a peaceful walk in the park and wishing he had Spock's Neck Pinch abilities...

Meyers decided to write The Voyage Home as, essentialy, a scavenger hunt, and the pieces fell into place.

According to the book, Meyers, Bennett, and Nimoy were responsible for the story- with Roddenberry, as he is sadly often characterized in the book, as a creator forced into the role of outsider, desperately trying to exert some control over what was once his own.

Krikes or Meerson were involved solely in the original draft "Eddie Murphy" stage, not the finished screenplay.

So the writers of what you see on-screen are Bennett and Meyers, based off of Bennett and Nimoy's story idea and possibly some of Krikes and Meerson's original story treatment.


By LUIGI NOVI on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 10:04 am:

Zarm, the quote about Meyer is by ScottN, not myself. He was addressing me.


By ScottN on Friday, October 06, 2006 - 10:53 am:

Because I mistook Luigi's post as saying that Meyer directed.

According to Nimoy, Meyer's script contributions begin at "Based on the pollution content..."


By Zarm Rkeeg on Saturday, October 07, 2006 - 5:58 pm:

Oh. Gotcha. I was a little confused about that quoting anyway.


By Fred W. Kidd (Fkidd) on Monday, January 15, 2007 - 11:41 pm:

"Kirk's Goofy Weight Estimate"

Early in the film, Kirk queries Scotty if the cargo bay can be inclosed to hold water. After the affirmative, Kirk tells Scott that they are looking for "Humpback Whales, about 40 Tons each".

Later in the film, Gillian brings the tour to the pool that holds the humpbacks and declares, "They are mature Humpbacks, weighing 45,000 pounds each.

Well ... if the "1986" weight equivalent of One Ton = 2,000 pounds is the same as Kirk's 23rd century version of a ton, then he is WAY off on his estimate to Scott. 40 tons is equal to 80,0000 pounds by Gillian's weight count, which would make BOTH of the Humpbacks nearly equal to Kirk's estimate, not just one as he told Scott. 45,000 pounds is 22.5 tons (by the 1986 reckoning).


By Mr. Celcius on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 1:55 pm:

Kirk's "40 tonnes" would be metric tonnes or 1000kg. 40,000kg is approximately 18,181 lbs (1 lbs = 2.2 kg) so it all holds up in the end.


By ScottN on Thursday, January 18, 2007 - 11:06 pm:

No, you're backwards. 1kg weighs about 2.2 pounds. 18181 kg = 40000 lb.

40000kg = 88000 lbs.


By Fred W. Kidd (Fkidd) on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 6:52 pm:

Ah ... the "kilo factor" at work! (roll another one)


By Anonymous on Friday, January 19, 2007 - 9:23 pm:

maybe it was a metric ton that Scotty was referring to...


By The artist formerly known as Mr. Celcius on Monday, January 22, 2007 - 8:09 am:

Whoops, you're right ScottN, and that makes the nit even worse.

(That's what I get for using the M5 computer in my basement to do standard to metric calculations. Darn thing can't even calculate the price of a pie, er, I mean the value of pi).


By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Sunday, January 28, 2007 - 7:24 am:

Janice Rand must be a fan of Shirley Temple...seeing she's got her hair styled like hers. (I like Rand's hairstyle in TOS, STTMP & STVI)


By inblackestnight on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 7:42 pm:

I usually at least skim all the boards of a topic before posting but there's just too much to go through so my apologies if I cover something already mentioned.

Uhura says she has the exact coordinates to the Enterprise's (CVN-65) reactor yet they beam outside of the reactor chamber. Sure they would be contaminated by radiation but they would finish faster and I don't doubt with 23rd century medicine any radiation damage would be healed. Also, on the bridge we see two radar screens flashing and the sailors operating them conclude there's a power drain and it's being caused from inside the ship. If they were anchored the latter would be obvious but all US nuclear wessils, and others that require constant power, run their machinery from shore power when pierside. The Enterprise needs better trained roving watches if two people in civilian clothes huddled next to the reactor shield weren't noticed.

The communicators were obviously Klingon but were the phasers as well? I ask because I don't recall Klingons ever using small energy weapons like that, before or after this movie. Also, was it in TNG that Klingon weapons were first referred to as phase-disruptors?

Gillian was brought to the 23rd century and was immediately given a station on a science vessil. She's the only whale expert on Earth, and has a personal connection to George and Gracy, and SF puts her on a ship? She sure takes Kirk's time travel story pretty well.

Was this movie the least expensive of the Trek films? For the forth movie there wasn't much special effects, which isn't a bad thing, but did TPTB have to skimp on the design of the probe?


By David (Guardian) on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 8:53 pm:

Was this movie the least expensive of the Trek films?

According to Wikipedia, the film had a budget of $25 million, making it the third in terms of budget. The least expensive movie was ST:II at $11 million, with ST:III costing $17 million. Don't ask me how, but ST:V actualy cost more than this movie, at $27.8 million.

While the movie lacked special effects, I think that the whale sequences were rather expensive. If I remember correctly, animatronic whales were built for some of the shots.


By ScottN on Saturday, August 25, 2007 - 10:15 pm:

Uhura says she has the exact coordinates to the Enterprise's (CVN-65) reactor yet they beam outside of the reactor chamber. Sure they would be contaminated by radiation but they would finish faster and I don't doubt with 23rd century medicine any radiation damage would be healed.

The radiation was apparently causing transporter and communicator interference, they had the coordinates, but couldn't get a lock.

Also, on the bridge we see two radar screens flashing and the sailors operating them conclude there's a power drain and it's being caused from inside the ship. If they were anchored the latter would be obvious but all US nuclear wessils, and others that require constant power, run their machinery from shore power when pierside.

It's been a while since I've seen it, but weren't they running a diagnostic onboard the Enterprise, and that's how they found the power drain?


By inblackestnight on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 3:25 pm:

I don't doubt the animatronic whales were quite pricey, didn't the people who did that win an academy award, but the probe could've been designed by an infant. It was just a black cylinder with a circular hole in it.

I thought the comms problem was from the HMS Bounty's dilithium de-crystalization? Either way, I didn't consider the radiation interfering with the transporter, which was probably the case, until after I posted that. Thanks again ScottN!

I believe there were running simulations, but it may have diagnostics. Either way, naval technology of that era doesn't detect power fluctuations in that manner, but all that device was doing was collecting high energy photons, which shouldn't disrupt the fission reaction anyway, especially if the Enterprise was on shore power.

When Checkov was being questioned, by who I assume is the captain, he turns around and his associate says "he's a Ruskie(?)." He obviously deduced this by Pavel's accent but aren't there easter European countries who's accents sound similar to Russian? It's probably a safe assumption, considering the Cold War is still going on I believe, but it's still just that. Also, even though Kirk only tells people in uniform to remove their rank insignia, would it be wise to leave ID on the ship as well, espicially since in today's military ID is considered part of the uniform?


By Brian FitzGerald on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 3:56 pm:

Given that it still was the cold war 'Ruskie' would probably cover most of Eastern Europe in informal coversation as they are all part of the Warsaw Pact.


By David (Guardian) on Sunday, August 26, 2007 - 5:39 pm:

On thatnote, was it really the best idea to send Chekov to retrieve the photons?


By "Gentlemen, I suggest you beam me aboard!" on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 11:31 am:

The two crewmen on CVN-65 call the LT over and he says: "I thought you gents were running a test program?"

I think the guys that were questioning Chekov were FBI or CIA men, they weren't in uniform, but 3 piece suits instead.


By inblackestnight on Wednesday, August 29, 2007 - 1:14 pm:

The two crewmen call over the command duty officer, who is a commander, but thank you for clearing that up. I don't know of any naval 'test programs' that isn't a training simulation but the screens still wouldn't flash like that from a power drain. They would either be on, or off, unless there's a problem with the monitor itself.

I hate to admit that I never considered those two guys to be feds. Officer dress uniforms have a white shirt and black tie but certainly not a vest for a three-piece. Thanks again!

Not necessarily a nit but it didn't seem like Bones had any idea of what 20th century medicne was like. He talked down to the other doctors like they should know what he knows.


By Adam Bomb on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 1:19 am:

If I remember correctly, animatronic whales were built for some of the shots.
I believe they were. There was a rumor going around in early 1987 that the animatronic whales were re-skinned as the shark for Jaws - The Revenge.
When Gillian and Kirk are dining, the waiter brings the "bad news" (the check) with the pizza. Most restaurants I've eaten in give you the check when you're done. Maybe he knew that they were in a hurry...
Also, Gillian orders onions on the pizza. Yecch!! I don't know about you, but onions on just about anything gross me out. I do like Burger King onion rings, though. Not exactly diet food.


By ScottN on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 8:44 am:

You, sir, are a Philistine. :-)

Onions on pizza are great. There's a mom-and-pop pizza joint near me that makes a killer garlic-and-red-onion pizza.


By LUIGI NOVI (Lnovi) on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 1:03 pm:

Is that really a nit, Adam? All pizzarias and restaurants will give onions on pizza. They're not my favorite ingredient on pizza, but I've had 'em.


By the 74s tm on Sunday, January 20, 2008 - 7:40 pm:

ScottN- I worked at Carl's jr in 86, in Monterey and didnt know where it was.(it was behind us).and the work crew laughed at me..Where they keep the whales uh?

also saw Mr.Nimoy with 500 other Trekkers , he was at a Pacific G rove homestead type opening.


By Adam Bomb on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 2:07 am:

Is that really a nit, Adam?
Nah, just a personal prejudice that I noted while I was watching the movie on HBO Family the other day. Now pepperoni, that's another story.
Lately, onions really gross me out. And Scott, does it make me more of a Philistine to say that I hate coconuts too?
By the way, we never did see Kirk or Gillian actually eat, did we? Kirk beams from the park into the Klingon Bird of Prey with their pizza, but he exits the transporter empty handed. I guess Gillian went to bed without her supper that night.
Also, (and this may have been noted in a prior post) California requires two plates for all vehicles. Gillian's Chevy truck has only the back plate, which would be ticket bait.


By Butch no I don't want shredded coconut on that Brookshier on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 5:07 pm:

And Scott, does it make me more of a Philistine to say that I hate coconuts too?

Not at all, Adam. Especially since the Moderator can't stand them either.


By ScottN on Monday, January 21, 2008 - 9:09 pm:

I'm not much of a coconut man myself... (Except when talking about rachgd -- see JARSO/Port Mike for details).


By Star Trek 47 Where are the Whales on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 1:59 pm:

I bet Gilligan and company hates coconut cream pies...!

----------------------

Also way off topic, isnt Brookshier one of the Silent Running agro ships?

:-)


By Butch my family spells it the other way Brookshier on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 4:55 pm:

Not that I recall, but it's been a long time since I've seen the movie. Even if it is, I would expect they used the much more common spelling, 'Brookshire'.


By the 74s tm Iluved the Crunchy Pizza on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 - 5:37 pm:

for Luigi- when I was at San Francisco state during my dad's time as a summer school teacher in the 60s I loved the onion Pizzas Woolworth on Market street made! I was 6..7..


By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Wednesday, January 21, 2009 - 8:04 pm:

One thing that has always bothered me is...why didn't Kirk & the Enterprise crew bum a ride from Sarek to get to Earth?


By Andrew Gilbertson (Zarm_rkeeg) on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:19 am:

Has anyone here bought the new releases of the Star Trek films? I've seen them out in new packaging with what looks like new special features- the intriguing part looks to be the 'Starfleet Academy' files, which look like they're designed to shed some light on the mysterious/unexplained elements in each film- IE the Whale Probe in this film, Praxis in Star Trek VI, etc.

Anyone seen them? Are they any good?


Speaking of explanations for the Probe, I've just completed reading "Music of the Spheres" by Margaret Wander Bonanno. It's available for PDF download at her website, www.margaretwanderbonanno.com. It's the novel that eventually got rewritten as "Probe"- but is a very different story; in some ways, a sequel to the author's novel Dwellers in the Crucible- in many others, a nice wrap-up/fill-in for the events of Star Trek IV (For example: Why didn't Gillian get the rigorous 'Tomorrow Is Yesterday' treatment in analyzing whether her disappearance would negatively impact the timeline?) Plus, of course, a backstory for the Probe itself. It's a recommended read, and free by e-mail request from the author.


By Adam Bomb (Abomb) on Wednesday, March 02, 2011 - 8:20 am:

Trek movies II and IV will be re-issued in a special, low-priced two-pack, in both DVD and Blu-Ray, on 3/29/11. More here. (I assume the "onions on the pizza" line will remain in this movie. )


By Adam Bomb (Abomb) on Thursday, March 17, 2011 - 1:19 pm:

Here's a review of the Blu-Ray edition of Star Trek IV. I agree with the writer when he says that the picture on the SD release is "mucky." When this film was run on Sy-Fy's HD channel, the picture was much better than it was on the bare-bones DVD I have. With that low-priced Blu-Ray two-movie-pack coming out soon (with two commentary tracks for this film, plus other extras), it is definitely time to upgrade.


By Adam Bomb (Abomb) on Friday, April 01, 2011 - 7:39 am:

There's what looks like a small brown stain on Spock's robe in the scene where Gillian first sees Spock without his headband on the Bird Of Prey. I never noticed it in theatrical showings, TV runs, or VHS/DVD viewings. But, it sure can be seen on the Blu-Ray.
A great two hour movie, two commentary tracks, plus many other extras, all crammed into a little 4 5/8 inch Blu-Ray disc. Upgrading was worth it. One thing, though - the Blu-Ray doesn't include the "Directors" featurette from the basic DVD. That was a carryover from the Super-VHS release.


By Tim McCree (Tim_m) on Saturday, December 10, 2011 - 11:56 pm:

The Klingon Ambassador makes a huge fuss about the "murder of a Klingon crew" by Kirk and Co.

Uh, Mr. Ambassador, that Klingon crew illegally entered Federation space, blew up a Federation ship (killing all board), took Federation citizens hostage and then murdered one of them! Mr. Ambassador, you're damned lucky the Federation did not declare war on your Empire for this blatant act of aggression. Shouldn't the Federation shoot back about the murder of a Starfleet crew and a Federation citizen (David Marcus)?

Doesn't invading someone else's sovereign territory, blowing up one of their ships and murdering their people constitute an Act Of War!?

It would have made more sense for the Klingon High Council to borrow from Mission Impossible and publicly dissavow any knowledge of Kruge's action (meaning that Maltz was on his own, they would not attempt to rescue him or negotiate for his return). At least then the Klingons could dipomatically save face and avert the possibility of a war.


By John E. Porteous (Jep) on Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 12:56 am:

Excuse me Tim, I don't think you're looking at the big picture here.

First off--records on the Klingon ship would prove that there were Klingon spies with access to Star Fleet top secret files(Kruge had Kirks own report on the Kahn incident).

Kruge also destroyed a small cargo ship(either Federation or private) to keep the file secret(it's clearly shown that Kruge only decided to destroy the ship after being told that the woman had watched it).

Also Kruges ship was in restricted space(clearly stated in STIII) fairly close to Earth(the Botany Bay was a sub-light ship, and Kahn didn't spend much time on either Enterprise or Reliant)--I'd guess a Starfleet ship that far into Klingon space would be destroyed on sight.

And even better--the clip that the Klingon Ambassador showed proved there were still well-placed spies with access to top secret files in place(not only did he show Kirks Kahn report(which Kruge kept from going further)--he showed footage of the loss of the Enterprise which Kruge couldn't have sent).

Add to that his rant that "while Kirk lives there can be no peace".

Starfleet should have hit the klingons with everything they had as fast as they could--the line had to be drawn.


By Tim McCree (Tim_m) on Sunday, December 11, 2011 - 1:26 am:

Oh I agree. Could you imagine the U.S. letting the Soviet Union get away with what the Klingons did?


By Rene Charbonneau (Renec2006) on Monday, December 12, 2011 - 9:16 am:

"Uh, Mr. Ambassador, that Klingon crew illegally entered Federation space, " etc etc etc.

Not sure if you're pointing that out like it's a mistake.

Sarek brings up these points in the movie. So why did you bring it up?


By Danice on Tuesday, December 06, 2011 - 11:06 pm:

Oh yeah, falbuous stuff there you!


By Ted Prohowich on Sunday, September 04, 2011 - 9:11 pm:

Note about http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/1986 reference to this page.

I'll upload a picture I took of the pawn shop ticket on August 13, 2005 (6 years 1 month ago) at the Star Trek: The Experience at the Hilton. That was a few years before it closed.

It's been 12 years 10 months since I asked my original question.


By RWFW (Nit_breaker) on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 11:08 am:

Moe the Bartender on Saturday, September 04, 2004 - 12:55 am:
Re:Romulan Ale -
As far as I know, Romulan Ale is generally Lager with the addition of the Licquer Blue Curocao to turn it blue... (If you add Cider as well, to the mix, it turns florescent "snot" green....)


And people wonder why I don't drink alcohol!


By RWFW (Nit_breaker) on Sunday, October 05, 2014 - 11:22 am:

Andrew Gilbertson (Zarm_rkeeg) on Thursday, October 01, 2009 - 10:19 am:
Has anyone here bought the new releases of the Star Trek films? I've seen them out in new packaging with what looks like new special features- the intriguing part looks to be the 'Starfleet Academy' files, which look like they're designed to shed some light on the mysterious/unexplained elements in each film- IE the Whale Probe in this film, Praxis in Star Trek VI, etc.
Anyone seen them? Are they any good?


I've got STII, STIII and STVI - I like the Starfleet Academy files, but I'm not entirely convinced by the uniform of the officer presenting them!


By Jjeffreys_mod (Jjeffreys_mod) on Tuesday, November 15, 2016 - 4:23 am:

the one TOS movie i really hate is IV aka Greenpeace The Movie: Too Much LDS In Their Sixties.


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