Now having just seen "Missing Link," it strikes me that the beginning of that episode and the beginning "Mark of Gideon" are also more than a bit similar, although the stories break off in completely different directions and "Missing Link" winds up more resembling "The Cage."
Star Trek, "The Wrath of Khan"
Kirk's infamous line "KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!"
Space:1999, "Missing Link"
Koenig's infamous line "RAAAAAAAAAAAAAN!"
ST:TOS- Spock's Brain-stupíd, badly written episode, featuring a wooden performance by Nimoy.
Space: 1999- Badly written, featuring wooden performances from the entire cast.
Space:1999, "The Dorcons" use "Resistance is Futile" as their catchphrase a full decade before the Borg.
Some general similarities between Space: 1999 and Star Trek TOS:
The leader's initials are J.K.
There is a "Koenig" on both series.
Both have a second-season episode titled "The Immunity Syndrome"
Joan Collins guest stars in a late first-season episode.
There is only one two-parter in the entire series.
The three characters in the opening credits are the leader, the doctor and the science officer.
Fred Frieberger produced the final season, the quality of which is generally regarded as inferior to previous season(s).
Both programs start with an "S." :)
And with The Next Generation:
The dates in part 2 of a 2-part episode is given incorrectly:
In the "Bringers of Wonder" the days since leaving earth should have been 1915 days, not 2515...in "Birthright" the stardate should have been 46579.2 not 46759.2.
I am sure there are others....
In both TNG and Space:1999, there is an undercurrent of romantic tension between the commander and the female doctor, who lost her husband in a past space mission.
Let's not forget the fact that the actor who plays Chekov on TOS has the same last name as
the lead character on Space:1999.
Odo on DEEP SPACE NINE and Maya on SPACE:1999
are both shapeshifters.
Leonard Nimoy, Barbara Bain and Martin Landau
all co-starred in the original MISSION:IMPOSSIBLE
series back in the Sixties(Nimoy played a character named PARIS!!!!!:))
In the SPACE:1999 episode JOURNEY TO WHERE
Koening,Helena and Alan are trapped in the past
after an transmatter accident,in the DEEP SPACE
NINE two parter PAST TENSE Sisko,Dax and Bashir
are trapped in the past after a transporter
Actually Nimoy replaced Landau after Landau and Bain left and Trek had ended. I read an interview with Nimoy several years ago where he commented that one of the big differences between Trek and Mission Impossible was that there was considerable character development in Trek while the characters in Mission Impossible were pretty much there to fill a specific need, ie Paris was a disguise master.
Shouldn't that be Dork-ons?
As in dumb aliens?
Don't forget that the leads in both series wore toupees.
True...and both toupees looked like little furry animals who had been run over by large trucks.
Captain Jean-Luc Picard and Professor Victor
Bergman (Patrick Stewart and Barry Morse)
physically resemble one another to a
remarkable degree. Look at the Next Gen.
episode where he lives to be an old man and
lets his hair grow as long as Prof. Bergman's!
Also, they both have artificial hearts.
The big screen in Main Mission and
Command Center is used the exact same way
and for the same reasons the big screen on
the bridge of the Enterprise was used.
The Enterprise crew would periodically be
seen being hurled about the bridge in unison.
The Alphans would periodically be seen being
hurled about Main Mission in unison.
In "The Immunity Syndrome" an Eagle
crashlands on an earthlike planet. The crew
rides it down like a toboggan, plowing a wide
swath through a forest before coming to a halt.
They survive unhurt.
In "Star Trek: Generations" the Enterprise-D
crashlands on an earthlike planet. The crew
rides it down like a toboggan, plowing a wide
swath through a forest before coming to a halt.
They survive unhurt. (A homage to 1999/other
Gerry Anderson shows?)
As for the JK similarity...
You can use initials to prove what isn't even remotely true. Or maybe that's anagrams...
In "The Testament of Arkadia", Paul describes the base's loss of power as a "creeping paralysis". This is the exact same phrase Kirk used to describe the Enterprise's loss of power in the Star Trek episode "The Immunity Syndrome".
The Enterprise-D Bridge, Captain's Ready Room and Observation Lounge (Conference room) are but one door apart from each other. Compare this configuration with Alpha's Main Mission and Commander's Office arrangement and functions. They are strikingly similar.
Response to J.V.P.N.'s Nov. 2000 observation: The same thing can be done with numbers.
And now for something completely different...
S:99's workhorse spacecraft, the Eagle, is modularly designed, with interchangeable parts.
DS9's workhorse spacecraft, the Runabout, is modularly designed, with interchangeable parts.
The Space:1999 epsiode "The Lambda Factor" borrows plot elements from no less than four original Star Trek epsiodes. As mentioned before, there is the mysterious radiation belt which enhances the latent physcic powers of certain crewmembers (as in "Where No Man Has Gone Before"). Then there is the crewman with special mental powers cruelly forcing the other Alphans to perform demeaning and humiliating acts (as Charlie does in "Charlie X"). Then we have Powell hampering Koenig's effectiveness by making his deepest fears come real (as the children do to the crew in "And The Children Shall Lead"). And finally, the Alphan crew defeats the alien force by suppressing negative emotions and concentrating on sending forth cheer and goodwill (in the same manner in which the Enterprise crew banishes the entity which feeds on hate in "Day Of The Dove").
Both shows turned into stinkers under Freiberger's supervision, so duh, it's hardly surprising he cobbled 1999 stories together out of pieces of Trek.
On another note, Notice any similarities between "For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky" and "Mission of the Darians"? Both share an idea that is not original to them: a ship that takes many lifetimes to reach its destination, long enough for a generation of passengers to no longer realize they're aboard a vessel. The same idea was in "Tomorrow Was Yesterday", the first story outline written by David Gerrold for the original Star Trek. It depicted such a ship with a divided culture, an elite which occupied the control centers and a grungy, hard-lived general population. Both would have treated an Enterprise boarding party much the same way the Darians treated the Alphans. This story was turned down by Star Trek because it sounded too expensive to shoot.
Oops, I forgot "Tomorrow Was Yesterday" was written of near the very top of this board.
Martin Landau was considered to play Spock when the role was first being cast. When you think about it, he would have made an excellent Spock.
Martin and/or Barbara may even have visited the Star Trek set if they worked on Mission: Impossible during the same years Star Trek was in production at Desilu. (This last thought is only my own speculation, not a known fact.)
Another similarity between original Trek and 1999 is both feature the boss figure ordering his subordinates to destroy a planet he's on, Kirk ordering Scotty to impliment General Order 24 in "A Taste of Armagedon" and Koenig ordering Verdeshi to impliment Directive 4 in "The Metamorph."
last sunset was about a terraformed moon. in wrath of khan one of the main hooks was to terraform worlds. they even show a terraformed moon..
in STNG "THE CHILD" was not only like alpha child but ended much like sp1999's force of life. as i remember
Supposedly "The Child" was based on a script originally written for Trek II, the mid 70s Star Trek tv revival attempt that morphed into Star Trek: The Motion Picture. It has been claimed that said script included plaigerisation of scenes and dialogue from "Alpha Child"
I hadn't seen this show since it originally aired (except "Breakaway", which I've never seen and always wanted to) and remembered very little from it. Mostly the opening graphics, music and credits and Maya, the Asian chick with short hair (no, I'm not saying Maya was the Asian chick with short hair), and the doctor, but not how good or bad any eps were. I'm about to find out cuz I got the Megaset of all 48 eps yesterday. Anyway, as I was watching "Breakaway" and Nick Tate first appeared onscreen I thought it was a younger Paul Hogan cuz he looked and sounded a lot like him.
At least two things I noticed that this series has that we still use today are the rounded desk phones (the exact same design) and the oscillioscopes, though more advanced nowadays, of course, but still looking mostly the same.
Hope you enjoy the ride, MarkN!
Thanks, Craig. I just hope the second season isn't as bad as some people think it is but I guess I'll just have to see.
Mwa Ha Ha Ha Ha--uh... (ahem)
PS: Season 2 fans, I'm just kidding. Mostly.
S2 has its own good eps and its own merits; just be prepared for such a jarring format change that you'll be wondering what happened! And since this is the "S99 compared to Trek" board, I'll add that you may notice a more Trek-like feel to the series (thanks to Fred Freiberger), which isn't a good thing for fans of either S99 or Trek.
Re: format change (with advanced apologies if this has been posted somewhere already): I once read someone's description that the format change was the equivelent to showing up at work after a weekend and finding the entire workplace remodelled, with several people gone and replaced with several strangers, and nobody acts as though anything is different. Weird!
Now THAT's a similarity in itself to several ST-TNG episodes, like "Remember Me" and "Parallels" where Dr. Crusher or Worf is the only one to notice the changes while everyone else thinks things are perfectly normal. Same for Guinan in "Yesterday's Enterprise."
Now only if Dr. Russel was the one to notice that Alpha is comletely different and then has a hell of a time convincing an oblivious Koenig of all this... sounds like one of those Star trek episodes.
The main difference being that those ST:TNG eps you mention were intended to have that effect (which you know, of course). But I wonder if Muir's upcoming novel is going to take a similar approach... in which case people will once again accuse S99 of ripping off Star Trek.
Space:1999 ; Bergman, a balding man with a British accent has an artificial heart.
Next Generation ; Picard, a balding man with a British accent has an artificial heart.
Space:1999 ; Science Officer Maya has unusual eyebrows.
Star Trek ; Science Officer Spock has unusual eyebrows.
Space:1999 ; Simmonds, a visiting politician, is disliked by the crew.
Star Trek ; Ferris, Fox, and other visiting politicians are disliked by the crew.
I forgot two obvious ones;
Star Trek; Kirk dictates a log stating current events.
Space:1999; In the second season Helena dictates a log stating current events. (Kirk, as commander I can understand, but Helena's logs frequently have nothing to do with her medical department.)
Star Trek; Dr.McCoy uses a small device to scan patients for illnesses.
Space:1999; In the second season Dr.Russell uses a small device to scan patients for illnesses.
Space: 1999 "Voyager's Return" A destructive probe is encountered that was worked on by Queller. He has to try to shut it down to save Earth.
Star Trek: Voyager "Dreadnought" A destructive missile is encountered that was worked on by Torres. She has to try to shut it down to save a planet.
Space: 1999 "End of Eternity" A man imprisoned inside a rock wants to bring death to his race.
Star Trek: Voyager "Death Wish" A man imprisoned inside a rock wants to bring death to his race.
Notice these similarities between 1999 and DS9:
Both have "Space" and "Nine" in the title
Both shows feature the base executive officer in a romantic relationship with an alien shapeshifter (Tony/Maya, Kira/Odo)
Both feature modular space vehicles that are destroyed and replaced frequently (Eagles, Runabouts)
And of course, the biggest similarity is the entire premise of a crew lost in unfamilliar space searching for home is copied on Voyager.
Nit: DS9 & Voyager are two different shows.
Anti-nit: DS9, the space station, appeared in the premier ep of Voyager.
The point: none, really.
This ain't a profound one....STAR TREK; "The Cloud Minders"- guests;a wise old man with a beard, a woman(Droxine) whose dress accentuates her breasts,and a mind altering substance (Zennite gas).... SPACE:1999; "The Bringers of Wonder"- guests;a wise old man with a beard (Dr. Shaw), a woman (Dianna Morris) whose dress accentuates her breasts (cleavage), and a mind altering substance (alien telepathic powers)
Since I mentioned "The Bringers of Wonder" in my previous message, I should also note that the 2nd season Buck Rogers ep "Mark of the Saurians" shamelessly rips off the plot of "The Bringers of Wonder".
star trek and space 1979,i sees lots of simularities, them shows gots spacehips, rayguns and funny outer space critters
Spock, born on an alien planet, goes by a single name, rebels against his father's wishes to work with computers and certain ways of dealing with off-worlders (diplomacy) and winds up working with humans as their chief science officer; one of the other main characters he has a close relationship with has a recurring joke-theme (I'm a doctor, not a ....)
Maya, born on an alien planet, goes by a single name, rebels against her father's wishes to with computers and certain ways of dealing with off-worlders (stealing their life-force) and winds up working with humans as their chief science officer; one of the other main characters he has a close relationship with has a recurring joke-theme (making beer).
Tony, the security chief of the second season/second series who wasn't part of the original characters, had a relationship with a beautiful alien woman who served as science officer on his show.
Worf, the security chief of the second season/series who wasn't that job in the original characters, had relationships with two beautiful alien women (Troi on Next Gen, Dax on DS9) who were scientists on his shows.
I think this was posted elsewhere, but Koenig (a man with hair loss) had a thing for his chief medical officer, just as Picard (a man with hair loss) had a thing for his chief medical officer.
Young stud Tony had the hots for a beautiful alien scientist and had a fun (if potentially lethal) hobby of beer-making.
Young stud Dr. Bashir had the hots for a beautiful alien scientist and had a fun (if potentially lethal) hobby of holodeck reenactments (fighting at the Alamo, fighting in Ancient Ireland, being a 20th-century spy).
One child was born during each series and was a focal point of the show's actions and the episode's title (Trek--Friday's Child, S:99--Alpha Child, TNG--The Child).
Interstellar traders and conmen bring chaos to our heroes and flirt with the women--Cyrano Jones and Harry Mudd in Trek, Taybor in 1999, The Outrageous Okona in TNG.
Gordon, you just reminded my of an old line Trekkies used to give me "Don't tell me Shatner wears a toupee, because so does Martin Landau!"
For the most part, Landau's hairpiece looks fairly natural in year one (although he did mess it up a bit in War Games).
Well, the aliens did mess up the base a bit...maybe they messed the toup up too...LOL
"...to seek out and destroy bad hairpieces...these are the voyages of the starbase Bald Eagle"
Okay, time for the orange juice...
ENTERPRISE: "Hatchery", The Enterprise discovers a planet containing a ship of aliens awaiting to be born. A shuttle is sent to investigate. The captain is affected in a manner which causes him to act out of character. He endangers the ship by diverting an important power source (anti-matter) to the alien craft. The science officer (T'Pol) questions his seemingly irrational decisions and is confined to quarters. Other senior personnel, including the doctor and head of security, determine the captain may poses a danger to the ship and plan a mutiny. One senior (Hays) remains totally loyal to the captain.
SPACE:1999 "Seed of Destruction", Alpha discovers an asteriod (which contains aliens about to be reborn). An Eagle is sent to investigate. The Commander is affected in a manner (although in this case because a doppelganger has been created) which causes him to act out of character. The 'Commander' endangers Alpha by diverting essential power to the asteriod containing the seed about to be reborn. The science officer (Maya) questions his seemingly irrational decisions and is confined to quarters. Other senior personnel, including the doctor and head of security, determine the Commander poses a danger and consider a possible mutiny. Alan remains totally loyal to the Commander.
Someone at Stargate: SG1 might have been watching old 1999 episodes. The first season Stargate episode "Cold Lazarus" has Jack O'Neill(Richard Dean Anderson)rendered unconcious by an alien crystal, which then creates a duplicate of O'Neill that his fellow SG1 members think is the original.
1999: Married couples work together on Moonbase
Alpha (Anton and Eva Zoref) and some even have children while there(the late Jack Crawford and his wife Sue).
Next Generation Trek and subsequent series: Married couples work together on Federation vessels and bases(Worf and Jadzia Dax) and some even have children while there(Miles and Keiko O'Brien)
1999: Anton Phillips played Dr. Bob Mathias, a prominent secondary character in year 1. When he became dissatisfied with his role and lack of a permanant contract at the beginning of year 2 he quit.
Next Generation: Denise Crosby played Tasha Yar, a prominent secondary character in year 1. When she became dissatisfied with her role near the end of year 1 she quit.
1999: Androids study humans in an effort to understand human emotions and acquire them themselves(One Moment of Humanity).
Next Generation: An android studies humans in an effort to understand human emotions and acquire them himself(Data in just about any episode you'd care to name).
"1999: Anton Phillips played Dr. Bob Mathias, a prominent secondary character in year 1. When he became dissatisfied with his role and lack of a permanant contract at the beginning of year 2 he quit.
Next Generation: Denise Crosby played Tasha Yar, a prominent secondary character in year 1. When she became dissatisfied with her role near the end of year 1 she quit."
Also applies to Andrea Thompson as Telepath Talia Winters in Babylon 5, quitting near the end of the second season.
Tim also wrote
'1999: Androids study humans in an effort to understand human emotions and acquire them themselves(One Moment of Humanity).
Next Generation: An android studies humans in an effort to understand human emotions and acquire them himself(Data in just about any episode you'd care to name).'
Classic Trek: I, Mudd--androids study humans in an effort to understand human emotions (in order to serve them, but capture them first).
Logan's Run, tv: androids (one played by Keene Curtis) study humans in an effort to understand human emotions (in order to serve them, but capture them first).
And one of the segments of Ray Bradbury's The Martian Chronicles' miniseries had some androids (built for a lonely old man who had since passed on) attempt to waylay travelers to serve them (because the androids were lonely).
And one episode of Voyager had a runabout encounter a colony where everyone was a hologram, created by one lonely old man who wanted to remember his old friends and family.
And one TNG episode had a powerful alien recreate his human wife, killed in an attack by hostile aliens that he wiped out with a mere thought and felt guilty of for the rest of his existence..
Okay, is this Six Degress of Kevin "Android" Bacon?
And one episode of Voyager had a runabout encounter a colony where everyone was a hologram, created by one lonely old man who wanted to remember his old friends and family. --Gordon Long
Wasn't that one a DS9 ep? The colony folk didn't realize they were holograms, and had developed their own lives, complete with offspring. Odo befriended a little girl (hologram) and in the end of the ep, transformed for her.
(I haven't seen every Voyager ep, so I assume that show did somehting similar, too.)
Dang, you are right, CR. But I'm thinking Voyager did something too...well, there was the world where the ship and crew were all duplicated and became good guys...I was up too late last night lol.
...there was the world where the ship and crew were all duplicated and became good guys... --Gordon Long
Was that the Voyager ep where they (the alternate crew & ship) all started disolving? That was a somewhat depressing episode, but interesting at the same time. Could have made an interesting S99 ep, too.
Yeah, CR, that's the one! Thanks...
Hey, you're welcome!
At least Space:1999 never featured an "Old West" episode like all of the Trek shows seem so fond of.
Last week, Enterprise featured yet another "Old West" episode.
I changed the channel.
Battlestar Galactica did it, too. I never could stand "Old West" eps in any series that wasn't actually supposed to be set in the Old West.
Buck Rogers had one as well, set on a mining colony and kidnapping Twiki...I like GOOD Westerns, but too often sf series' Western-ish episodes aren't that great. I wasn't fond of Trek's Spectre of the Gun (actually gave me headaches when younger...) I did enjoy TNG's A Fistful of Data's, it had some excellent humor interspersed amongst the traditional touches. But I wonder, if there'd been a third season for 99....and good ol' Charles Woodgrove was still spinnin' some gunfighter stories....
...and Red Dwarf did a Old West one too.
The thought of scripts "Mr. Woodgrove" might have come up with in a third season are frightening.
"Space Warp Back to Luton"?
You know, the only sci-fi western that I kind of liked (i.e. that kind of pulled off the premise with success) was the film Westworld.
I prefered "Futureworld", its sequel.
I'm surprised either, or both, films haven't been re-made yet.
You're on a proper topic- what a S99 fan likes!
Don't forget, The Prisoner had a Western episode too ("Living in Harmony"). And even UFO had a brief Western sequence (I think it was in "Mindbender").
Dr Who did as well, which was set around the gunfight at the OK Corral.
Well, the Western is certainly a much used appoach... and one I don't like. Hollywood's "Westerns" bore little resemblance to the real Old West. So one would have to ask, is it really appropriate to emulate bad fiction in the first place? (other than Trek stars' love for dressing up and self-indulgence).
In episodes where a return to Earth is shown, I prefer a more low key story, such as when the "Enterprise" crew ended up in smalltown 1950's.
1999 Year 2: One of the regular characters is a shape shifting alien whose presence saves the Alphans more than once. Other members of her species however turn out to be hostile.
Trek DS9: One of the regular characters is a shape shifting alien whose presence saves the crew of DS9 more than once. Other members of his species however turn out to be hostile.
About the dang western episodes: They're comparably inexpensive to shoot, which is why they were so prevalent in the earlier years of television, and might be why they would turn up in a SF-themed series that is looking to save some money from it's FX budget. Besides, SF is only cowboys and indians with spaceships and rayguns anyway, right?
Actually, the Old West is a well established genre for storytelling that still stirs many people's imaginations.
How about westerns redressed as science fiction, like the motion picture "Outland"? Not outstanding, but an interesting reinterpretation of the frontier mining town.
For that matter, How about the short-lived series Firefly? A clever mix of genres, SF and future-west? (Not to mention a certain '60s TV series pitched to the networks as "Wagon Train to the stars"?)