Starts tonight!

anyone see TV guide's review for this? They loved it.

WOW!! I so expected to be disappointed by this one. I managed to avoid finding out too much about it, only having been tantalized by the short previews.

There was so much in it I liked I can't go into it now. Kudos to the creators for all the little things for those of us who were even adults when the first one came out.

A couple things I really loved: The subdued sound in space seems to work really well here. The Zoom-Cam in some of the space scenes. And you get to see the firing of thrusters to orient the ships, sometimes making a 180-degree turn in place, instead of having to bank around like in atmosphere. The presence of a prominent "47". The true "retro" look and a logical reason for it.

Only one thing I hate (and many networks are guilty of this): At the cliffhanger just before a commercial break, there isn't even a fadeout, but an immediate preview of what's going to happen in the next ten minutes!! That really drives me crazy -- let the cliffhanger actually hang for a bit, fellas!

Surprisingly more absorbing than I thought it would be. More adult in nature, and from what I'd heard about Starbuck I thought, "Oh, no!" but she turned out to be pretty interesting.

Is this only four hours total?

Part II, even better than part one. Some edge-of-the-seat tension, and a few surprises. I kind of wish they'd made it a self-contained mini-series, but I'm definitely looking forward to a real series, if they go ahead with it.

C'mon, didn't anyone see this?!

I've seen Part 1. I'm withholding comments until I see Part 2 which I had to tape.

Interesting cliffhanger at the end, no?

That was an "Oh F**k!" moment to say the least!

Another possible Star Trek number reference besides the "47".
But they mentioned their Capitol city on Caprica had 7,000,000 inhabitants. All presumbably were killed...That seemed like such and odd number considering earth's larger cities are ten million plus...But 7,000,000 is the death toll from the Xindi probe attack on this season's Enterprise.
One other possible nit was right after the number 47 was called out...But wasn't that the second number called? So they had one more seat still left. They let the old lady on board (why not someone younger who can have kids?) and then the co-pilot gives up his seat to Gaius. Did they take off with one seat still available?

Good question.

I truly enjoyed this mini series. An excellent job all around. I especially loved the many ways in which they paid homage to the original series.

I have two issues that I will comment on. The first is that I think that the soft-core porn scenes detracted from the overall movie. They were completely gratuitous. The second is that, as opposed to the original story, the Cyclons were created by humans. Whilst I did like the Frankenstein-esque plot thread, I like the original Cylon-origin story better. It is probably that I just have a hard time believing that the creature can exceed the creator.

The original BG theme being played to the audience the museum during the Viper airshow was a cool tribute.

Soul: I think the first numbver was called oof-screen.

Gelzyme: Well, when our children do better than us in life, isn't THAT essentially them exceeding their creators? Why is it so hard to believe?

Scott: Yeah I thought that was cool too.

Brian - I'm refering to creating in a different sense. Not wanting to get into a religious discussion or bandy semantics, I will make my reply simple (hopefully) in order to hopefully answer your question. God created man, as opposed to man multiplying to replenish the earth. In that sense, God wants us to become like him (Be ye therefore perfect, even as your father in heaven is perfect. Joint heirs with Christ. Etc..) but we would not be exceeding God.

Having hopefully conveyed my meaning of "create," then you might see where I'm coming from when I would say that I find it hard to believe that the creature (Cylons) exceeded their creator (humans).

I enjoyed this re-telling quite a bit. Things I liked: 2-named people and the apollo, starbuck stuff was "flight nicknames", (I always thought that 12 worlds of 1-named people would be a logistical nightmare), the retro look with missiles and the like, the greying of Baltar's "evil", and that cylons were created by humankind and didn't like being "slave labor". I still am a little dubious of the who premise of 12 habitable worlds within one solar system with one sun. I'm sure it's possible, but wouldn't the planets have to be rather close to one another. A binary or trinary star system would seem to be more in order, but when they were talking about FTL navigation they refered to the sun in singular terms.

Tighes: I still am a little dubious of the who premise of 12 habitable worlds within one solar system with one sun. I'm sure it's possible, but wouldn't the planets have to be rather close to one another.

Well, if you take terraforming, bio-domes, undergrousn colonies, etcetera, ad infitum into account, they might not have to be. Of course I doubt we'll ever really know.

Haven't seen it but what about a gas giant with several very large moons?

I'm not sure, but was it established that it was actually twelve separate worlds? At some point I got the impression they were perhaps talking about 12 colonies on the one planet we got to see blown up.

Two nits:
Mark VII Vipers, despite being so advanced have exactly the same cockpit as Mark II Vipers.

Also, in the aftermath of first battle with Cylons (when missile hits Galactica), we get a good view at wreckage of one of the Vipers and we can plainly see that nameplate with the name of the pilot flying it is gone. I think that's a nit because every other Viper we see has nameplate on it.

Rant: So Galactica is, like, 40 years old? And they couldn't find time to actually finish putting armor on her?

Regarding this "Earth is really just a myth because president Arda cannot lie" thing...
Adama stated that only the highest ranking commanders "knew" about this. So, I got the impression that he was talking about military, not politicians.

Also, in the aftermath of first battle with Cylons (when missile hits Galactica), we get a good view at wreckage of one of the Vipers and we can plainly see that nameplate with the name of the pilot flying it is gone. I think that's a nit because every other Viper we see has nameplate on it

It got blown off.

Mind you, they could have "Cannibalized" Galactica for spare parts, such as armour plating, to put on other Battlestars.
As they were turning her into a "Museum/Training" vessel, they decided to put the armour plating back on to her later!

The only disappointing thing about the mini-series was that it was only a 2 parter and not a
3 or 4 parter.

Hm... It got blown off? It's kinda hard to blow off nameplate that appears to be simply painted on

Well, it looks like we have 13 episodes of the new series.

I cannot for the life of me figure out why all of you liked this abomination? This wasn't Battlestar Galactica, it was a dreary, unlikeable, faux rip-off that stole a couple items from a decent show and mangled the original concepts.
Adama; Unlikeable, mumbling nobody.
Apollo; Not his name, but a nickname. Hates his father, unlike the orignal where he loved and respected him.
Starbuck; Now a super-cocky, violent female, rather than a charming ladies man.
Boomer; An Asian woman instead of a black man.
Tigh; A humorless, violent, Nazi-like skinhead, instead of a black officer that was tough but compassionate.
The Cylons; Humanoids????
The Galactica; Weird, half-recognizable ship that looks like its ribs are showing.
The Cylon Raiders; Unrecognizeable.
Athena; Missing in action.
Sheba; Missing in action.
The sound effects; Gone. Lasers, turbo-boost, gone, gone.
The uniforms; Gone. Replaced by cheap Babylon 5 rip-offs. They kinda look like the old Nazi Luftwaffe design.
Humanity; Missing in action. After watching the first part I couldn't care less for ANY of these characters. They were as far removed from the original characters as the Gilligan's Island characters are from the West Wing characters.
Final thoughts; Utterly dreadful.
Too think we've waited 25 years for this lousy version? If you've been lucky to see Richard Hatch's own Battlestar Galactica trailer that would have continued on the actual series 20 years later you could appreciate how disgusted I am. It wouldn't have been a retread, it would have built on the original series with today's technology and storytelling.
What we got was NOT Galactica.

No we got somethign that wasnt a long winded ad for the Mormon church and a bad rip off of ancient egyptian helmets. I dont think it was that bad and it most certianly was able to stand on its own. Also I dont think haivng multidimensionla characters with personalities that take a few paragraphs to sum up rather than one or two sentences like the orginal characters is a bad thing. Also the images and look of the new galactica was not all that bad. It was just different and unfortunately too many people have the same attitude as garth did "We fear change change is evil" as is anything different.

Matt: I disagreed with everything except the look of the ship. The black-on-black motif was just "blah."

Brian, you disagreed with everything I said, but I'm assuming that you mean my opinions, rather than the solid facts such as the two black characters, Tigh and Boomer, being replaced by a white guy and an Asian woman; Starbuck undergoing a sex change and recreated as a female character; the nickname 'Apollo', rather than his given name; humanoids Cylons; unrecognizeable Cylon raiders that are radically different from the originals; no sign of Athena, and Sheeba; the lack of original series uniform designs. Those are cold, hard facts, which changed the original concept for the worse, for me.
Tigh is violent; remember the card game? So is Starbuuck. What's with officers fighting each other? And more on 'Starbuck'; that's a incredibly silly name for a woman, because a 'buck' is a MALE deer. Why not just drop the Starbuck character and have this psycho as the new Sheba?
I was not impressed with the Galactica's performance, or the SFX shots. We never got a really good panning shot showing detail. So many shots were at a distance; what's up with that? The ship just wasn't 'special', and didn't possess the granduer of the original, which was depicted as an immense, old warhorse that wouldn't lay down for the Cylons. This new Galactica is just another spaceship, as far as I'm concerned.
As for 'R';
I guess you have more insight into Glen Larsen's religion or background, because I wasn't aware of his Mormon Church connections. That said, it always felt like to me that the story basis was like Moses leading his people to safety. There's no overt Mormon content in the original, unless you can tell me what it's supposed to be.
The 'bad rip off of Ancient egyptian helmets' is an element that's lost on you. The idea is that the Thirteenth tribe eventually came to Earth, and had an influence or created the ancient Egyptian civilization. That's their connection to our planet, even though they're unaware of it.
I missed out on these earlier;
Baltar; Gone is the sinister, slimey traitor, and in his place is a pretty-boy GQ model with a British accent.
Cylon Baseships; Redesigned into something completely different.
Rag-tag Fleet concept; Handed from Adama, and given to the President, dilutting the intelligence and care of Adama.
Imperious Leader; Missing in action.
Cylons created by an alien race; Replaced by the concept that Man created them.
And how long did we see actual, updated Cylons? Maybe one minute, tops, in the few cameo shots given them? Wouldn't you have liked to have seen more of them?
I'll say three positive things about it; the Vipers are excellent, and were thankfully not updated to be completely unrecognizeable (ie. the Cylon Raiders and the Basestar), or changed into something familiar but inferior (the Galactica, herself).
Number Six is hot. But she would have made a beautiful Athena or Sheba.
And yes, if someone hadn't seen the original series, it could stand on it's on, but is sub-par. It was soooo slow, and that wailing female singer in the background, and simple drumbeats for the space fights...ugh.
I've seen this type of drastic overhaul of a series (Star Trek-The Motion Picture, Star Trek-The Next generation, Doctor Who-The Movie), but this one went way, way overboard.

Here's what you do after being a fan of BG and loking around the net for more info on it (including RPGing the BG unioverse) type Battlestar Galactica and mormonisim into yahoo or google and see for yourself. As for the link to Earth Stargate has done a much better job of it. All i Could think of when the old guys (hatch and benedict) where in their vipers was how cheesy that looks and that was when I was an early teenager. As for how long you saw updated Cylons everytime you saw a raider you saw a cylon as in the new version each raider is an independent cylon and not a piloted craft. Remember the cylons are more like a sentient computer virus/robotic race than a race of lizards who went down the borg path. true the Starbuck flight call is kinda different for a lady butremember their universe their military their rules.

Well, now you're backtracking by saying I have to type 'Battlestar Galactica' AND 'mormonism' at the same time into Yahoo or Google. Why would I do that? If I type in 'Battlestar Galactica' and 'pizza' would I be inundated with Pizza Hut commercials? Still, I wouldn't have made that connection.
Giving that chick the name 'Starbuck' and saying it's their universe, their call, is fine and dandy, but I'm a tv viewer on poor ol' 21st century Earth, and it's just a dumb monicker to me. The fact that they changed so much could have made it easier for them if they'd dropped the character of Starbuck, period, and enhance Sheba or Athena.
I admit I'm picky as h-e-l-l, but I also admit that I can accept some changes, but when a producer says 'I'm doing an updated version of Battlestar Galactica', but changes it so drastically that it's unrecognizable from the original I feel cheated and duped. If I told you that I was redesigning the Volkswagen Beetle, and instead of what the new ones look like I give you something that looks like UPS / Fed-Ex delivery truck, you'd tell me that I was either lying or actually can't tell the difference.
Obviously, the producers tried to get the core Galactica fans on board for this movie, but in doing so they just alienated many of us by giving us something that's no more Galactica than The Matrix is a sitcom. Don't slap the original names of some new actors and say that's the updated version; keep SOME stuff from the original as is, so that it FEELS like an updated version, and not an imposter. Just give me a new movie, with familiar concepts, and let it run on its own. Don't tell me this is Galactica, when the only similarity are the names and the look of the vipers. Honestly, all you gotta do is change those two things, and remove the landing bays from the Galactica, and this show is something new and different.
The relationships are completely different, some of the characters are either a different sex or race, the Cylons don't bear any resemblance to the originals and could have been the Star Trek alien-of-the-week.
Not much I can do about your opinion of the helmets, other than remind you that at the beginning of the original episodes the voice-over stated, "There are those who believe that life here, began out there". It was the Colonial connection to ancient Earth, which was intended, I suppose, to make you empathize with them, because if not for that, would you really care about these aliens? Hey, it could have been worse; the Colonials might have had a connection with the Norse gods, and wear helmets with horns or feathers on them!
There was too much talking. It creates characterization, but it went on, and on, and on, much like some Next Generation episodes that were alot of talk and virtually no climax, just a resolution to the week's problem. I want some action and adveture out there. It took an hour and a half to get to a decent, prolonged action sequence. Comparable to the original 2 hour show, that's 45 minutes into the first one, and alot of things had happened by then.

Most of the people the new show was designed for probably weren't even in existence when then original aired, and most of those who saw it then are probably too old to care about it now.

I saw the original, and really liked the new one.

Not me. I agree with Matt. This was a bad update of an old series.

Actually I am not backtracking all I said was it would be easier at the time for me to point you at those websites than to have me lay it out for you. I dont know what would happen if you tried the pizza search as well.As for everythign else oh well. You say POH-ta-to I say Po-Tah-to and thats the way it is.

I loved the original series, despite some bad episodes, like the western themed ones, and I've got to admit that I don't think the update was too bad.

Here's my complaints and endorsements though.

Olmos seems pretty good as Commander Adama. Lorne Greene really was the role, capturing the wisdom that would be needed by someone in such a position. In the original series, each Commander of a Main Fleet Battlestar apparently was a member of the COuncil of Twelve, was this body even mentioned in the miniseres.

Apollo.....he seems too whiney, I can't believe someone that seems to have such a problem both with himself and his superior (his father) is in charge of a squadron.

The whole Cylon seducing thing is something I'm not quite sure about, it smacks of the 7 of 9 or T-X factor to me.

Good to see the Gemini Freighter and the old style Vipers, though the newer ones were pretty cool looking. The new Cylon vessels, both raiders and basestar just don't click well with me though. It was good to hear a mention of the old cylon designs "It looked kinda like a flying wing", and the old Centurion in the museum section of the Galactica.

Did anyone else hope that Adama would shove the president out the airlock?

The scene of the Caprican crowd approaching the landed Raptor reminded me of the same scene in the original with Adama and Apollo having went to their home.

The original Galactica music was played in a ceremonial role.

Re: Battlestar Galatica,the(Remade) t.v series
According to rumours, the first channel to show the 13 part "remake", will not be the U.S Sci-Fi Channel, but the U.K Satellite Broadcaster Sky One. The reason for this, is that Sky provided more money to said new series, than the Sci-fi Channel.
The Transmission date (in the U.K) is sometime in Mid-July, & the DVD's may be out on Region 2 Pal, very shortly after ! (The Mini-Series was released onto DVD 2 weeks, after it was shown on Sky Movies, as a 2 parter...)

I finally found the time to watch the miniseries that I had on tape. I have to say that I really liked it. I was actually interested by the story and toward the end I realized that I kind of care about the characters and I'd like to see where they're going to take them. I'm glad it's going to be picked up as a series and I'm definitely going to be watching when it premieres.

And that ending was just crazy. So so surprising.

so is the series still going ahead? I loved the mini-series a lot.

Check out sci-fi.com. It's happening, and Richard hatch is slated to guest star. Apparently he had a chance to chat with Ron Moore and decided he didn't hate the new version so much after all.

There was a commercial for it during the Stargate SG1 season permier last friday.

I taped the miniseries, but it's nowhere near as good as the original. In fact, it's not even as good as "Galactica 1980". In the original series, the war had been going on for about 1000 yahrens; the Colonial Vipers were better fighter planes than the Cylon Raiders (so much so, in fact, that the Cylons never won a battle unless they had the element of surprise, or overwhelming numbers, or both), the Cylons had been created by an alien race to fight the humans, the 12 Earthlike planets all had their own subcultures, with their own ways, modes, and habits of doing things, all within the larger society, and so on. In this version, Baltar is a civilian who writes computer programs for the defense department; he's been seduced by an enemy android agent, so a computer virus causes the Colonial Vipers to turn themselves off whenever Cylon craft come within range; the "new" origin of the Cylons is stolen from "Frankenstein", and so on.

Is anyone going to put up the
Battlestar Galactica
(2004) board anytime soon...?
Reason:the new series starts in the U.K (Sky Digital)later this month....

I agree with this idea, but I think we should wait until SciFi channel airs them before reviews / nits are put up, to minimize spoilers. However, I have seen the first two episodes in the series, and I can tell you that the show is off to a strong start. There will be a "remake" of one of the original episodes. If I find that article again, I can post the title. BTW, I was originally resistant to the idea of a new series, but after watching the re-make, I was completely impressed. I don't hate the original; I just think that they are two different universes. It feels like that the show has grown up. Now, there are worse things you can do to Battlestar Galactica "e.g., Galactica 1980", but IMHO this is a great offering from veteran Trek writer Ron Moore.

As a Brit which is already watching said t.v series (episode 5 was shown this
Monday on the U.K digital satellite channel Sky 1) & contributing to both the Battlestar Galatica threads on Outpost Gallifrey,& on the U.K board Urban 75, I can argue that debate on this topic has now already started....
The real irony is that Series/Season 1 of Battlestar Galatica, will have ended in the U.K before the U.S Sci-Fi Channel starts to show it...

Ugh. Oh well, we fans will just have to wait. The Re-make of the classic episode is called, "The Hand of God". Also, Richard Hatch has signed on to play a recurring role as a political prisoner.

Something strange I noticed in the episode that aired this past Monday: character actor Donnelly Rhodes was listed as a guest star, yet I'm quite sure he never showed up! Is it possible that this was due to some sort of contractual obligation? I thought it was really curious.

NBC will air the four hour "miniseries" in a three-hour edited version on Saturday, January 8, 2005.
The networks have been throwing away Saturday night programming, so I wonder if anyone will even see this. Will NBC also "re-purpose" the series?

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Adam, it might be that NBC is showing it without any ad breaks, as the Region 2 DVD is approxmately 3 hours long (Excluding The Lowdown Documentary), & as such would match the length given...
In case you're wondering, Episode 10 of Season 1, is to be shown in the U.K. on Monday January 3rd...

There is no chance in hell that NBC would show BG without commercials. Instead they will merely cut a ton of stuff out.

The broadcast networks rarely run anything without commercials, except what they consider event programming. Such as the third season premiere of 24, or the broadcast premiere of the film Schindler's List.

Exactly. BG does not fit that mold.

And in the interest of nitpicking, it wasn't just the third season premiere of 24 that was aired "without commercial interruption". They did that the second season as well.

Also, keep in mind "without commercial interruption" doesn't mean "no commercials at all". I don't know about other cases, but for 24, they ran long ass commercials (about 5 min or so) from a sponsor (Ford?) both before and after the episode itself. I don't think there was actually that much more actual episode content, just they aired it all together.

You're right about 24. Ford was the sponsor, and provided most of the vehicles used as well. All the ads in the season premiere were front and back loaded. There is no hint that Fox is going to do that this year.
I'm confused about why Sci-Fi is running the series on Friday nights, along with Stargate SG-1 and Stargate: Atlantis. Friday night viewing at one time was pretty low (witness Trek's last two seasons.) Have things improved?

Adam... HELLO! Their target market is *GEEKS*

Just kidding.

The new series starts tomorrow night on the Sci-Fi Channel!!

Do we need a new board, or will the episodes be posted here?

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I think we need a new board myself...
But given that it debuted outside the U.S, will the moderators append a 2004 or 2005 date when titling said board...? (I.E will the Board read Battlestar Galatica (2004) or Battlestar Galatica (2005), when the moderators title said board).
Battlestar Galatica debuted on Monday, 18th October 2004 in the U.K (First Transmission Date)& will debut in the U.S on Friday 14th January 2005 (First U.S Transmission Date).
(Hey, this is a Nitpickers board, & this does count as a possible nit/debating subject...).
Currently,in the U.K, Episode 12 is due to be shown (Part 1 of the concluding 2 part episode set on Kobol) next Monday.

Why not just do 2003, when the mini aired?

Two nitpicks of mine already, from the series premiere (which was two episodes strung together}:
I'm assuming the series takes place right after the end of the miniseries. Yet, President Roslin's hair is considerably longer.
In the episode "33" Adama has stubble at episode's start. He's seen shaving early on (with a kind of old fashioned double edged razor.) Yet, right afterward, his stubble is heavier than ever. Also, in the second ep, "Water," he's clean shaven throughout, although the episode deals with the loss of the Galactica's water. Maybe he dug up an electric razor...

Adama dry-shaved. That's why you see all those tissues on his face... oops, I guess not. Yes, the series takes place right after the miniseries. I enjoyed both episodes, I will try to get back with more nits later.

Re Josh M's comment
True, Josh but one could argue that as the Miniseries is effectively the pilot for the
Battlestar Galatica series, you could put it on the (so far Hypothetical) board as
Miniseries Pilot (2003), threadwise....

Yah, I remember that super long Ford
commercial. I think they even had a
clock counting down the minutes and seconds
before the show started. This was in 2002(?)

I liked the first two eps. They were pretty enjoyable. I like the character driven stories that the show is going for.

I did notice a nit with the countdown in 33. At one point, when Adama and Tigh are on the bridge, staring at one of the clocks, the countdown is shown at around 10 seconds, beeping every second. We see a reaction shot of the two of them staring at the countdown, but we can hear the countdown get to about three before another shot goes back to the clock. Yet, when it goes back, there are still seven seconds on the clock.

When they first thought they'd lost the Olympic Carrier and the 1300 people aboard, Roslin and her aide change the number of survivors. IIRC, they remove closer to 2,000 from the number. Am I remembering that correctly?

I was surprised by how religious Number Six was in these eps. I don't remember her even mentioning a God in the mini.

And I can't wait to see what's up with the Boomer on Caprica. So far we've seen a Boomer who thought she was human and now is thinking she may be a Cylon sleeper agent, we've seen one that apparently knows she's a Cylon and appears to have a fairly high position, and now this one. So, she either thinks she's human or she's pretending she is. I can't wait to find out.

No, ISTR that the math was correct. I think I did a quick mental check.

GAPING PLOT HOLE: Adama says that there is at least one Cylon aboard the Galactica; we in the audience know that it may or may not be Boomer. Now, in order to have a Cylon aboard the Galactica, the Cylons would have had to place one of their agents aboard every battlestar. The Cylons destroyed the entire Colonial fleet, except for the Galactica; therefore, the Cylons are not above doing suicide missions. (Plus, in the original series, Cylon Centurions sometimes acted as kamikazes.) Since the Cylons are out to exterminate the entire human race, IF there was even ONE Cylon aboard the Galactica, that Cylon could just walk into the reactor room, or a missile magazine, and BOOM! ... no more battlestar.

Now, in order to have a Cylon aboard the Galactica, the Cylons would have had to place one of their agents aboard every battlestar

Faulty logic. That's not necessarily true.

Are you saying that a Cylon agent could just happen to be on the only surviving battlestar, just by coincidence? Yeah, and you're going to win the Power Ball lottery the very first time you buy a ticket! Or could the Cylons have known in advance that the Galactica would escape? Not bloody likely, unless they planned it that way for some strange reason!

The point is that it could be coincidence. Or maybe only half the Battlestars had agents, or ....

Whoops... hit submit too early.

Your theory is the most likely one, but there are other possibilities as I mentioned above.

At a time when many other shows are shying away from controversial matters, I like how this show is debating the existence of God. Number Six is determined to convince Baltar that God exists. He, in return, keeps insisting there is no God. It will be interesting to see where this leads. Number Six is also determined to have his child. I just hope this doesn't result in the type of nonsense as seen in the V series (with the "Star Child").

ScottN - Well, in any case, as I said, that one Cylon agent aboard the Galactica could easily walk into the reactor room, or a magazine compartment, or some other critical area, and BOOM! ... no more battlestar.

Rona - Actually, they are indicating whether or not certain characters believe in God. And they should, since several real space travelers have indicated that they believe in God. Also, various characters of other space shows are portrayed as being members of various faiths. I wonder what they're going to do with this? Are they going to say that Gaius Baltar's character flaws result, in part, from his being an atheist? Or are they going to say that "people of faith" are evil because a Cylon claims to believe in God? As for Number Six having Baltar's child, (a) it's hard to mate with someone who isn't really there; and (b) an android who was invented by robots, who in turn were invented by humans, is probably not going to be biologically compatible with a human being. In other words, they could copulate till the cows come home and she would still probably not conceive a child.

an android who was invented by robots, who in turn were invented by humans, is probably not going to be biologically compatible with a human being.

Ah, but these newfangled infiltration Cylons aren't mere mechanical androids that look human, but organic artificial lifeforms. They're more human than not, alliegences aside. I don't know that it's so farfetched to assume they're mostly made of cloned human DNA and therefore compatable for breeding purposes.

What I find intersting, however, is that in the miniseries, #6 killed that baby, but now she wants one of her own. Maybe she just likes babykilling.

The killing of the baby was an accident. At least, that's what I took from that scene.

Re:Cylon "Infltrator's"
At risk of spoiling Mike Brill's posts, & others possible enjoyment, one of the Cylon "infiltrator" units is indeed
"Boomer"...
The audience does find this out, however in a later episode, Baltar tries out his prototype
Cylon Detector on "Boomer"
& finds out she is a Cylon, but does'nt tell her, as Six points out to him, if he does, then she'll revert to her primary programming/directives & kill him.
Boomer, due to a possible conflict of programmed directives, is now starting to suffer terrible nightmares, & is also beginning to show what appears to be the early signs of mental illness....

By Art Vandelay on Wednesday, January 19, 2005 - 04:50 am:

The killing of the baby was an accident. At least, that's what I took from that scene.

Then we took that scene in completely different ways.

Here's why we should have episode listings. We only just had the two-hour (new season) premiere in the U.S., while in the U.K. and elsewhere there have been many shows on already. (Now I know how you guys feel when you have to wait for shows to cross the ocean!

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Well, the last Episode (of Season 1) is due this Monday in the U.K on Digital Satellite....
(We're ahead of the U.S episode wise on Stargate:SG-1 as well, in case you're wondering...).

So an android, invented by robots, starts to "like" the beings (human) that she's programmed to exterminate, liking them to the point where this interferes with her basic programming, so that she doesn't kill them. Suuure. If you believe that, then I've got a bridge to sell you.

It's not like that's the first time it's happened in sci-fi.

A homo sapien overcomes his or her basic instinct and helps others despite putting his or herself in harms way? Please! If you believe that then I have a bridge to sell you Mike Brill.

Does that make it clear how the statement you made is utterly invalid? If the robot is sentient, then surely it *is* capable of overcoming its programming.

Josh - Done before or not, it still seems implausible to me.
NSetzer - So the Galactica's continued existence, and thus humanity's survival, depends on the Cylon high command having sent out a disobedient infiltrator? IMO, plausibility does not make a good Bungee cord.

I thought Col. Tigh gave up drinking; at the end of the minseries he was seen throwing a bottle of booze into the trash can. Yet, tonight's ep, titled "Bastille Day," starts with Tigh (Michael Hogan) downing what can best be described as "liquid breakfast."

Also, the name of the prison ship was "Astral Queen." Hmmm....wonder where I've heard that one before...?

When I was watching the new Partridge Family show on VH-1, I found the gittery (always moving "documentary" style) camera work to be annoying. Then I remembered where I had seen this before: Battlestar:Galactica. If there is one thing I dislike about the new Galactica, it's the "documentary" style camera work. The camera and effects always are moving and zooming in and out for no apparent reason. I think it's a really tiresome gimmick after awhile. Enough already, I want to say. This style is most annoying during the effects sequences. It's hard to focus on the ships and get a clear mental image of them. Does everything have to be rapid MTV style. ST:TNG may have had simple effects compared to this, but at least I was able to get a good mental image of what the Enterprise looked like. Every effects shot didn't last 2 seconds!

Richard Hatch on the show! Caught me by surprise, even though it was mentioned above.

Re:Last Comment
it seems that Richard Hatch'es character could be considered as a "semi-regular", in that he turns up in a later episode Colonial Day, & if Series/Season 2 is commissioned, I suspect that a episode called Election Day,
will turn up somewhere in the episode running order....

When I was watching the new Partridge Family show on VH-1, I found the gittery (always moving "documentary" style) camera work to be annoying. Then I remembered where I had seen this before: Battlestar:Galactica. If there is one thing I dislike about the new Galactica, it's the "documentary" style camera work. The camera and effects always are moving and zooming in and out for no apparent reason. I think it's a really tiresome gimmick after awhile. Enough already, I want to say. This style is most annoying during the effects sequences. It's hard to focus on the ships and get a clear mental image of them. Does everything have to be rapid MTV style. ST:TNG may have had simple effects compared to this, but at least I was able to get a good mental image of what the Enterprise looked like. Every effects shot didn't last 2 seconds!

Battlestar wasn't the first to do this. Firefly did this all the time. According to Joss Whedon, the only time he doesn't do the "documentary style" camera shots is when he is focused on the Alliance. There he goes out of his way to make the whole shot "sterile" and "Star Trek" looking. According to Ron Moore on the running commentary on the miniseries DVD, he wanted to move away from that older format that has dominated a lot of sci-fi shows to this point. That's why the behavior of the fighters are more based on inertia than an air battle in the sky. BTW, he's not saying that the old way was bad, he wanted a different way of treating the genre. I highly recommend that you watch the miniseries DVD with the commentary on. It will tell you what they were thinking when they produced the show. (I don't remember what series on TV did this "documentary style" first, I want to say NYPD blue but I am not sure.)

That's why the behavior of the fighters are more based on inertia than an air battle in the sky.

To be honest, that's one of the things I like about the current BG. The physics of the Vipers is very good.

But Anon, you didn't say if you like the documentary style. I don't, it's too gimmicky. Science fiction series aren't documentaries, so I think it's unnecessary.

In an earlier post, I mentioned that Number Six wanted to have Baltar's child. Impossible? But what about all the other real copies of her running around. They could be the physical link necessary for a child. Remember that schlock 70s film "Demon Seed". It's been done before!

Babylon 5 Also had good fighter physics for the earth starfury

I find the new series a bit too depressing. And I can't stand the theme music.

Science fiction series aren't documentaries, so I think it's unnecessary.

I like the documentary style enough to put up with it, not to say that its intolerable, but I don't think about it much anymore. I have not watched much of Babylon 5, but from what I saw it did have good fighter physics.

Good physics. Come on, faster than light travel is pure fantasy.

Rona, what part of "fighter physics" are you missing? The fighters in all of those are sublight, and the "good physics" we are referring to is the fact that they obey Newton's Laws. They don't turn/stop on a dime, etc...

Re:The last couple of comments
To paraphase The Firm's epic record Star Trekking, which spoofed Star Trek:TOS,very well, surely the quote
"It's worse than that, It's Physics, Jim..." is appropriate for this argument over the physics of the various spacecraft in this series....

Actually only at this point in our scientific advancement is FTL travel fictional.

Not Fantasy as that is something that can never occur. Like the republicans and democrats agreing on something.

There are many scientific theories that could lead to a true FTL capability eventually.

Didn't Star Wars:Attack of the Clones also show Obi Wan's spacecraft with thrusters similar to the Vipers on this show. One nit: sound was heard when the Viper fired its thrusters. We all no there ain't no sound in space.

True, but if you're inside the Viper you'll hear it. Did we get an inside shot or an outside shot when the sound came?

Isn't BG a sound-in-space show? Don't we usually hear the guns fire and the Raiders whoosh by?

Sort of. It's a muted-sound-in-space show, so you hear it, but not as much as in Star Trek/Wars.

A third interpretation on the baby killing, which incedently was cut from the 2004 airing. I understood it that she knew the world was to be nuked, and with compassion used a form of mercy killing. Witness her tears as she walked away.
My suspicions is that Baltar is a cyclon. How did he survive the blast? Did she protect him enough?

I FINALLY got caught up on all of the episodes. As a long time fan of the original series, I was really prepared to hate this new series. But I have to admit, both my wife and I like it. It is good.

The one thing I don't understand is what is the deal with showing the Caprica scenes? How will this tie together?

I am liking the B5 type story tie ins. Maybe my question will be answered in the future??

Another thing I noticed about the Caprica sequences: The whole PLANET should be toast - BURNT toast.

I mean, after a whole boatload of nukes, it should resemble that planet from Voyager's Friendship One - at _least_.

In "Flesh and Bone", when they hear about the nuke threat, Adama tells them to spread out the fleet, "no more than 500 km between ships". That should be "no less than 500 km"

In "Flesh and Bone", Baltar should require a calibration test on a known Cylon sample before he can be assured that the detector works. I'd have expected him to request a sample from the recently discovered Cylon Agent.

In "Flesh and Bone", when they hear about the nuke threat, Adama tells them to spread out the fleet, "no more than 500 km between ships". That should be "no less than 500 km"

Not necessarily. He wanted ships protected from potential nuke blasts on other ships, but he probably didn't want them getting any further apart than necessary, since it would make defending the fleet harder.

In "Flesh and Bone", Baltar should require a calibration test on a known Cylon sample before he can be assured that the detector works. I'd have expected him to request a sample from the recently discovered Cylon Agent.

If he was really building it on his own, sure, but remember he's got a blonde whispering in his ear, telling him what to do.

This ep was really nasty.

Right away I figured things were going to get real ugly, real fast; and I wasn't disappointed.

On a cheerier note: The Cylons on Caprica are prepping a little romantic hideaway for Boomer and Helo?
If a monkey shows up, I'm leaving.

I _like_ this series; it's probably the first time a show filled with completely UNlikeable characters has become one of my favorites.

And that's the bottom line...if you smell what I'm cooking.

In "Flesh and Bone", Baltar should require a calibration test on a known Cylon sample before he can be assured that the detector works. I'd have expected him to request a sample from the recently discovered Cylon Agent.

Remember that they also have a few Cylon corpses in the morgue.

This ep was really nasty.

Which episode exactly? and why was it nasty?

On a cheerier note, BG has a new season coming this summer. 20 more episodes have been slated.

The one thing I don't understand is what is the deal with showing the Caprica scenes? How will this tie together?

I believe the producers have promised a tie in. At first, I thought it was promo footage for a FPS game to be marketed...

Which episode exactly? and why was it nasty?

Flesh and Bone. And it lets loose the darker side of both Starbuck and Her Excellency the President.

Remember that they also have a few Cylon corpses in the morgue

Am I forgetting something? When have they captured and/or killed a Cylon? [I recall one being left behind, and one exploding himself to pieces that would be of little worth]

NSetzer: Am I forgetting something? When have they captured and/or killed a Cylon? [I recall one being left behind, and one exploding himself to pieces that would be of little worth]

The one in the morgue in Flesh and Bone is the Cylon that he beat to death in the miniseries.

I think that is the only one in the morgue. It seems as if Adama wanted to bash it in with that phone he was holding - but I really didn't quite get why he said "no" to the corpse.

I can't believe that they had not dissected the Cylon body to its core. Surely there must be some simpler way to tell the Cylons from the humans. Even though Starbuck said that even if you cut them open, you see guts, blood, etc. Where exactly is the mechanical part of them, then?

A small nit -- why so many reporters for a fleet which only contains 47,000 or so people? A few should be able to do the job, but twenty or so?

There's got to be something different. What makes them glow when they have sex? cf. Number Six, the Caprica version of Boomer.

I'm sure Baltar is unaware of this fact. However, if he learns of it,

Baltar: "Um, Commander Adama - I have a way to detect Cylons."
Adama: "What is it?"
Baltar: "Well, um -- it can only be performed in private. And one at a time. And it only works on females."
Adama: "You want to test 20,000 plus members of the fleet individually?"
Baltar: "Uh, of course if you want to risk another sabotage attack..."
Adama: "Never mind. Get to it."
Baltar: "YES!! Uh, um, I mean, I'll get on it right away!"

Well, except maybe Starbuck -- she'd probably kill him.

Did any pornstars make it out of the colonies and into the fleet? I think we've found a new task for them!

If tonight's ep was any indication, the Colonel's missus may qualify.

What a _major_ SHREW; think of Michelle Pfeiffer in the Adrienne Barbeau role in the first Creepshow movie.

I think she's a cylon...

No wonder the good Colonel was still drinking.
Didn't they eliminate the possibility that Tigh's wife is a Cylon?
Why isn't Michael Hogan's name in the opening titles? His is always the first name displayed as the actual episode begins.

Baltar's altered the test. It won't pick up Cylons at the moment, and he's the only one who knows it.

I guess Hogan's just not one of the main characters, although he, Aaron Douglas, Tahmoh Penikett, and Paul Campbell all appear in every episodes in the first season.

I think he's altered it only to show green every time (assuming someone's watching). I believe he alone will actually know the results.

If the Cylon gal is in his mind, how did she not know if Tigh's wife tested positive, when Gaius obviously knew the results?

Well-directed (and a little racy!) by Edward James Olmos -- the dinner scene was rather comical.

CapricaBoomer blew her lunch on last night's show.

Could a Lieutenant Junior Grade be on the way? I'm thinking Demon Seed in reverse.

A Galactica ep w/o either sex or violence; now I KNOW the Apocalypse is at hand.

The whole attack sequence (although impossible to eliminate thoughts of Star Wars - hey, that saga even ripped itself off in the third movie) was quite well done and exciting. I love the subtle flares of the jets firing that affect yaw and pitch also.

Ways to fix Battlestar Galactica:

I think this new Battlestar Galactica needs fixing. Here are some of my suggestions.

1. Vote out the President! Mary McDonnell's character seems overly naive. She trusts Baltar way too much. Richard Hatch's character was right to call for elections. He seems to know more than she does.

2. Speak up! Why do most characters seem to be whispering their lines (Edward James Olmos is the primary offender here)? It is sometimes hard to hear and puts you to sleep listening to it.

3. Bring Dirk Benedict in as Starbuck's father. The show needs more interesting characters. Tigh's wife is a step in the right direction. I think they need more comic relief for a show that takes itself way too seriously.

4. More fighting, less bickering.

1. Agree. They should have Hatch's character run and win, for one because he deserves a regular role, and for another just think of the tension it would make with Adama having to deal with a criminal/terrorist/cult leader as president.

2. Never noticed it. Then again, I watch with headphones.

3. Bringing him in would definitely be cool, regardless of the role. However, I think he has some health problems, so that might not work out.

4. Yeah.

I also have one to add.

5. New theme song. Sorry, the one they use bores me to death. They should have some sort of update of the original classic theme. That's one of the best themes in the history of sci-fi and they should acknowledge it and pay homage. I also think the in-episode music could use work. ENOUGH FRAKKING DRUMBEATS ALREADY!

Edward James Olmos always says his lines in an intense, low-key fashion. Didn't you guys ever watch Miami Vice, where he played squad head Lt. Martin Castillo?

She trusts Baltar way too much...
Did you see this week's episode? Talk about way too much trust. Also, a new twist in the Helo/Boomer journey through Caprica.
According to TV Guide, Sci-Fi has ordered 20 more episodes - 10 to run this summer, and the rest to run next winter.
Maybe NBC could run this series as well, at some point. It's much better than some of the junk they do show.

Definitely not as strong as last week's episode. And the Caprica ending seemed pretty rushed.

I disagree.

Obviously we got rogues a-plotting; and the Colonel's missus is in on it.

That line where the Prez tells her opponent that she won't kiss him and his response were cribbed from Patton.

And now BOTH versions of Boomer aren't getting any. Bummer.

Preview SPOILER WARNING for next week:


Was that CapBoomer putting a gun to her mouth?

Re:The Answer to your question Josh M,
If the episode you're describing is the one I'm thinking of, the answer is no...
It's Galactica Boomer, as Baltar tries to induce her into committing suicide...
(However, her Cylon primary programming "Kicks in", to prevent her from doing so and she only get's a flesh wound...).

Um, even if you are responding to spoilers, please put them in inviso-text. Thank you.

Re:last comment
Influx, this event is not a spoiler to me, as the episode, in which the event that Josh M has already been transmitted in the U.K...
(Rough Translation, I'm a British poster...)
If this was applied to this BBS, then most of the posts, on for example, the Stargate board would have to be put in the text that you describe as by definition, they're "Spoilers" to British posters ..
Incidentally, how do you post in "Inviso-text"...?
And finally, The British magazine SFX has announced, in their news section, that Series/Season 2 of Battlestar Galactica has been confirmed, & will consist of 20 episodes...

Incidentally, how do you post in "Inviso-text"...?

\white{this is a spoiler blah blah blah}

They should have called _this_ ep, "Bulletproof".

What are the odds of CapricaBoomer($ucks to be _her_ right now; seems like only yesterday she was screwing Helo into the ground, spine lit up like a Christmas tree; now it's like he doesn't even know her name)and GalacticaBoomer(Dissing and dismissing the Chief in sickbay) both getting shot and living - if a toaster _can_ be said to live?

Otherwise, great show.

Wouldn't jumping the transport back to Galactica just tell the Cylons where the fleet is?

And just when did they establish that Cylons can jump futher than Colonial tech? They just seemed to throw that part in without any real explaination.

And jumping back to Caprica? For a key? Couldn't they just blast the door open? What is this fetch quest stuff? I didn't realize this was a video game!

Nits aside, I really liked this ep (other than the Starbuck/Baltar sex scene that is, oh that is wrong on so many levels) and was really PO'ed when it ended because I'd have to wait a week for the conclusion.

I guess I really like this show, though I'm sure I'll still always prefer the original.

OK... not reading through all the posts until I finish watching the series, as I don't want to read any spoilers. So forgive me if this has already been mentioned.

But I just watched "Litmus" last night, the episode with the inquiry/witch hunt that almost exposes the Chief's relationship with Boomer.

At the start of the show, the Kevin Spacey Cylon that was left behind in the miniseries shows up at the beginning as a suicide bomber. First off, was anyone really surprised that it turned out to be him after the "Previously on BSG..." intro focused on him?

Second... and this one is more of a nit... Adama reaches the conclusion that there are copies of the same Cylon. But how does he know this? For all he knew, the bomber was the same Cylon they left behind in the miniseries. The only one who really should know that there are copies of the same Cylon is Balthar, because Number Six told him so.

Unless I'm missing something...

Boy, I found last night's episode particularly grueling, meaning tense. The opening montage of all the different characters doing their things (one couple "doing it" more than others!).

And Boomer gets shot not once, but twice in this ep! Well, actually two different Boomers but you know what I mean. I wonder though, if all these Boomers (and the other human Cylons) are copies, whatever happened to the originals? (I don't wanna know ahead of time...)

Maybe after this season I'll see about moderating this board so we can get episode titles and such, and also lessen the risk of finding things out ahead of time from our friends overseas. They could post in the appropriate boards, and those of us who don't want spoilers could avoid the future ep topics.

Re:Influx's last comment
I suspect that there are No "origional's", and the data about their background etc, was inserted into the Colonial databases by a infiltration unit...
As for "Spoilers", it seems that Season 2 Of
Battlestar Galactica will be transmitted on the same date, or as close to each other as schedules allow, by Sky Television in the U.K & The Sci-Fi Channel in The U.S (I'm not sure about Australia, though).
This is being done to prevent prople from obtaining/uploading episodes downloaded onto P2P networks by fans in another country...
(U.K BSG fans downloaded "captured" episodes from Sky Digital onto BitTorrent, for U.S fans to "Enjoy"...).
Incedentally, Influx, the Doctor Who site Outpost Gallifrey has 3 seperate threads, similar to this one dealing with Battlestar Galactica for U.K, U.S & Austrailian posters/viewers, on their Time/Space Visualiser forum.....

Adama reaches the conclusion that there are copies of the same Cylon. But how does he know this? For all he knew, the bomber was the same Cylon they left behind in the miniseries

If they left him behind, how did he get back on board?

The point is that they might not know how he got back on board, but it is entirely possible that he did.

Influx, they showed a third Boomer being shot by CapricaBoomer in the "previously", or doesn't that count?

But, is it any more possible that the first copy got back on board than it was a second copy?

I don't see why you think it's more likely they'd think the first got off where they left him, managed to catch up to them, and also managed to integrate himself into the fleet then it would be for them to think, oh, he's another copy the robot factory spit out and he has been hiding here all along.

Even if they don't blatantly know about multiple copies of the humanoid models, it's still not something that would take a huge leap of logic to figure out. Machines, mass production, etc.

The question isn't which is more possible... or which is more likely. The question is which would the characters think is more likely.

No, it wouldn't take a huge leap of logic to "figure out." But it would take a lot of out-of-the-box thinking to arrive at that conclusion.

They certainly expressed surprise that the Cylons could look human... they were certainly surprised that the ships are Cylons themselves. Neither of those are huge leaps in logic, considering the technology. Heck, they were even surprised that the Cylons would come out of hiding and stage a full-scale assault. And that wouldn't take a huge leap of logic to figure out. Machines, lack of impatience, etc.

It's human nature to be complacent. And it's also human nature to reach a conclusion based on experience... out-of-the-box thinking isn't what generally guides us. So I would have expected them to first wonder how the hell that guy rejoined the fleet than to conclude (not speculate, conclude) that there obviously must be more than one copy of each Cylon.

Re:The DVD's
In case you're wondering,the Season 1 DVD boxset was released onto Region 2/4 DVD
(U.K/Australia) on Monday...

Darth, again I disagree. I think it would be more out of the box to think someone stranded could catch up without anyone being the wiser rather than thinking the factory just spit out more than one.

The question is which would the characters think is more likely.

Yes, and I think it's more likely they'd think machines mass produce the models rather than they can do all the other stuff it would require to get the same one back in the fleet.

If they didn't know he was a Cylon, then yes, it would be a greater leap to thinking he was a copy, but since they knew he was a Cylon and machines are generally mass produced, to me that's the thing they'd think of.

I guess we should just agree to disagree.

Great episode. I was completely shocked when Helo shot CapriBoomer. I thought that she was dead, at first.

Anonymous: Wouldn't jumping the transport back to Galactica just tell the Cylons where the fleet is?
I don't think that they can track ships after they jump. I'm pretty sure that the only reason they could do that in 33 was because they had something on one of the ships that allowed them to track it.

Anonymous: And jumping back to Caprica? For a key? Couldn't they just blast the door open? What is this fetch quest stuff? I didn't realize this was a video game!
When did they say that it would open a door? I thought they just said that it would somehow lead them to Earth.

I'm suspecting that "Apollo's Arrow" just might be something different than we initially expect. (Please don't tell me if I'm wrong! Or even if I'm right!)

Yeah, I've speculation on other boards that are along those lines, Influx.

Tonight's ep opened a BIG can of Colonial Military Issue Whup@$$!

I actually thought Six looked _attractive_ in white; usually she just looks _slutty_. Must be the red dresses.

The fight between Starbuck and a Number Six on Caprica had me out of my chair. But what happened to the Arrow? 'Buck dropped it in the fight; and nobody picked it up.

And yes - CapricaBoomer's got a Lieutenant Junior Grade on the way. And it looks like Baltar's going to be a daddy as well.

And what can I say about the ending? D@MN! I never saw THAT coming.

It's going to be a long three months.

THIS one's going STRAIGHT to my computer; THANK YOU, Pinnacle, for inventing Studio 8. And that's the bottom line...if you smell what I'm cooking.

I suspect they will do a reverse on the age old routine of Humans creating cyborgs who become independent. I think the human cylons will become too human and rebel against their Cylon masters.

What Cylon masters? In every scene where humanoid Cylons interact with toaster models, it's the humanoids calling the shots.

And other than some of the Boomer models, they seem to be quite loyal to whatever it is they consider their god.

Yes, and I think it's more likely they'd think machines mass produce the models rather than they can do all the other stuff it would require to get the same one back in the fleet. - Anonymous

And I would agree with you, if the models were synthetic... except they're not... they're organic. Even in cloning, it's extremely difficult to get a clone to look exactly like its "original model."


What Cylon masters? In every scene where humanoid Cylons interact with toaster models, it's the humanoids calling the shots. And other than some of the Boomer models, they seem to be quite loyal to whatever it is they consider their god. - Anonymous

And in every scene where Darth Vader interacts with other Imperials (Moff Tarkin being the only exception), he calls the shots. And he always seemed quite loyal to the Emperor.

Doesn't mean he didn't betray him in the end.

It's one of the risks with "free will"... just ask God.

Darth, I don't doubt that some humanoid Cylons could turn on the Cylon cause, but I don't think the whole lot of them will, which is how I interpreted Josh's speculation.

Vader turned on the Emperor because of his son. Maybe BoomerC turns on they Cylons because of little Helo2.0 in her belly. That I could buy, sure.

Re:Influx'es March 28th comment...
Here are the Episode titles you requested, Influx...
Episode 1: 33
Episode 2: Water
Episode 3: Bastille Day
Episode 4: Act of Contrition
Episode 5: You Can't Go Home Again
Episode 6: Litmus
Episode 7: Six Degrees of Seperation
Episode 8: Flesh And Bone
Episode 9: Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down
Episode 10: Colonial Day
Episode 11: Kobol's Last Gleaming - Part 1
Episode 12: Kobol's Last Gleaming - Part 2
(In case you're wondering, most of us U.K Battlestar fans are waiting for the Region 1 DVD Boxset, as the current Region 2 Boxset is a "Vanilla" release...).

The new season starts tomorrow night!

Should be good, hopefully, Ron Moore can keep up the pace from the previous season.

We in the U.K won't get to see Season 2 on Sky 1 until October....
(Mind you, given U.S & U.K scheduling differences, we'll probably be ahead of you, episode wise before Xmas, I suspect...).

"Episode 9: Tigh Me Up, Tigh Me Down"
What was the major malfunction of whoever thought THAT title up?

I prefer to use: The Colonel's Wife; sounds much more dignified.

Less than twenty four hours before Season TWO begins!

Are you as stoked as I am?

Stone Cold, there was a movie with the title "Tie me up, tie me down!"

Yeah, I know; directed by a Pedro Almodovar.
The ep's title STILL blows like a tornado, though.

Moving on to tonight's SEASON PREMIERE: It was everything I thought it would be.

I would've thought GalacticaBoomer - a Cylon agent - would've said "Thank God" instead of "Thank the Gods"; what's up with that?

The space battle was one of the best I'd seen in a while: The way those firewalls kept collapsing while the jump numbers were crunched was pretty scary - reminded me of 33's opening sequence.

"B!+(# took my ride" - good one, Starbuck.

No spoilers for next week's show here; but it should open a can.

And that's the bottom line...if you smell what I'm cooking.

I would've thought GalacticaBoomer - a Cylon agent - would've said "Thank God" instead of "Thank the Gods"; what's up with that?

But she's got a bit of a split personality, and the one that was "in charge" at that time wasn't the Cylon.

I've asked the Chief for moderator control so we can get a dedicated topic. No response yet.

It really bugs me when someone plays a military guy but won't cut his hair to fit the part. The redshirt on Kobol who forgot the 2nd medkit had his hair slicked back to make it look "short" when it was actually almost shoulder-length. I knew he wasn't long for the series then if he didn't have to cut his hair for the part. Just compare that to the LT who had a buzz-cut.

On the other hand, I think the death is the LT's fault, because they *asked* to check the equipment before leaving the site, and the LT said, "No, we go now!" (or words to that effect).

Is anybody NOT in the opening credits still alive on Galactica after tonight's ep?

NANJAO: Wow! Sears is everywhere! Even on other planets! That's a Craftsman™ toolchest in the background when Starbuck and Helo get in the car in the garage!

I'd've thought that the battery and wiring on 'Buck's chariot, and that of her tape player too, would've been fried by EMP; also, wouldn't her cigar have been radioactive? There's a REASON they carried a Colonial government health warning.

Helo's story about how the Cylons burned the corpses reminded me of the first Terminator movie: How the furnaces ran night and day; how close humankind were to going out forever - until John Conner came.

So did the doctor ever come aboard Galactica to treat Adama?

I believe they did mention that the doctor was there at the end.

Anyone else think that the heavyset 2nd-in-command (under Col. Tigh) is going to be a redshirt? I don't believe we saw him last season, and he doesn't seem to be one of the "main" characters, at least as much as "network firewall" guy is...

I think a subtitle for this show should be "You'd Never See That On Star Trek!"

Wondering what happened to fat 2nd officer this week...

I hope they are not going to go crazy with the mystical aspects in this show. I keep hoping that the allusions to "God" (not "the gods") will be a metaphor for something.

The Chief (of NitCentral) gave board power to someone else who had asked, and I see there's a topic up, but no threads yet. However, if I'm the only one that's going to post from now on...

Yes, the new board needs some topics. I will wait until they are created before posting any nits (and I do have some) so that I won't spoil it for others that have not seen the latest episodes.

JAM, I'd just continue posting here until that's done. I'd like to hear what you have to say (and know if you are the only other person watching it!)

BG-2003 is coming to DVD later this year

I believe the (Region 1) UK edition is already at Best Buy.

The new board is open. Thanks to Kyle Powderly for setting it up. Even though I asked the Chief to be a moderator for it at about the same time, I think Kyle set it up a lot better than I would have. Looks great!

Re:Josh M's last comment
The U.K DVD's of Battlestar Galactica (2003),
are Region 2 not Region 1, so make sure your DVD player is either Region Free or
Multiregion...