There's a difference?
Tipping the moderator for a new board is optional, not mandatory. ;-)
I read somewhere that TIP was short for "To Insure Promptness" which if true, sounds like a bit of a shakedown. Sort of a "Give us money or next time we'll let your dinner get cold!" deal.
That's actually a bacronym that someone came up with after the term TIP was made up. And usually the people who use it aren't servers, they're customers. More of "if I think you're taking too long you won't get paid for the work that you did."
the people who use it aren't servers, they're customers. More of "if I think you're taking too long you won't get paid for the work that you did."
The customer didn't hire the servers, the owner of the restaurant did. If anyone is to pay the workers for their work it's the boss.
If I hired an artist to draw a comic book story I wrote & I told the potential artist, "I can't pay you very much, but you can keep any tips sent to you by the readers" he or she would be perfectly justified in telling me where to stick my story.
People choosing to work for someone who isn't paying enough on the hope that they'll get great tips... *shakes head at the 'optimism'* Find a new line of work if the boss can't pay you enough.
Now you are aware that if everyone actually did that than their would be NO ONE serving in the US. No restaurant pays a wage that doesn't expect tips. If they did than the price of food would be higher, and the service probably would not be as good. The sad fact is that Americans tend to be lazy and do the minimum of what is required and if just getting paid by the hour would probably be as happy and helpful as the people at McDonalds, the post office or the DMV.
Now you are aware that if everyone actually did that than their would be NO ONE serving in the US.
Rubbish.
No restaurant pays a wage that doesn't expect tips.
How conveeeeeeeeeeenient for the restaurant owner. Maybe Hollywood can use the same sort of scam to deal with writers?
If they did than the price of food would be higher
Currently customers are supplementing servers' pay with tips. If restaurants start paying a decent wage would the money spent by the customer really change that much?
and the service probably would not be as good.
Because people who like their jobs is a myth. *rolls eyes* Also if tips go back to being a reward for good service some people will do good work. Tips being an expectation does not encourage harder work. As Bill Veck (sp?) once said, "I don't mind the high cost of stardom, it's the high cost of mediocrity, I can't stand."
The sad fact is that Americans tend to be lazy and do the minimum of what is required
Human beings in general, not specifically Americans (there are a few of us who still believe in the work ethic).
getting paid by the hour would probably be as happy and helpful as the people at McDonalds
I've actually encountered happy & helpful people who work fast food.
the post office or the DMV.
Those are government employees whom I believe are very hard to fire so there is no encouragement to do good work.
Much was made a number of years ago about African-Americans getting rotten service from Denny's restaurants (see here for more information.) But, back in 1983, I received lousy treatmant at a Denny's in Plantation, Florida. I was seated, but waited about an hour for a waitress to take my order. Other customers were being seated and served while I was ignored. The waitress' excuse was that she thought I was just having coffee. I don't remember if I tipped her or not. The restaurant is still in business, lousy service or not. Me, I haven't been anywhere near Plantation in over two decades.
In another Denny's in Kissimmee, Fla. (at least I think it was a Denny's; it has been almost 25 years) in the summer of 1983, I was dining alone. Parties of multilple people were called before I was. Why are people dining alone looked upon as pariahs? Alone or not, we still got to eat.
Here's a list from a bartender in Ft Lauderdale
Please read before coming to my bar!!
Someone once pointed out to me the fact that there seems to be a micro-economy in the service industry. Restaurant workers take their tip money out to bars and clubs at night and give it to the bartenders, who promptly return it to the waiters and waitresses the next day at lunch. The cycle is almost self-sufficient and is mutually beneficial. Knowing the pain of waiting on customers, each group tips the other well and never raises a fuss. These people do not need to be educated. The rest of you do.
Many of us have stood in a noisy, crowded bar and asked, "What's a guy got to do to get a drink around here?" Well, you're about to find out. Here are some Do's and Don'ts that will keep the relationship between the bartender and bar patron running smoothly.
DON'T...
Fail to have your money ready
We're waiting on you. Everyone else is waiting on us. Therefore, by the Transitive Property of Equality, everyone is waiting on you. Rule 1: Have your •••• together. Not only will following Rule 1 get you served quicker in a bar, it's a good general rule to adopt in life and is especially helpful in Central American border crossing scenarios.
Whistle
This is an absolute No-No. You whistle at dogs, not people.
Wave money
Oh, you've got a dollar!! I'll be right over!! Hopefully I won't break an ankle in my fevered rush to get you your "curz lite." Well, at least you're not breaking the next rule.
Bang on the bar
You will not be served but you might get something thrown at you.
Yell out the bartender's first name
There's something deeply psychologically disturbing about hearing your name called out, turning around and seeing a complete stranger. That's one of the reasons strippers use stage names. Bartender's do too.
Say "make it strong!" or "put a lot of liquor in it"
Oh, you're one of the rare drinkers that like their drink strong! When you say this, you're assuming I make weak drinks (which is insulting) and you're assuming that I'll stiffen this one up for my new best buddy, you. This is the best way to get a weak drink.
Give the ever-expanding drink order
You want a Bud. I go get it. I come back and now you want a Margarita. Okay, no prob. I come back, and (oh yeah!) now you want a shot of Tequila, too. You really could have told us this all at once. See Rule 1.
Pull the redirect (or the bait 'n' switch)
Usually used after the money wave or the whistle, this is when the gentlemen passes his turn to the lady behind him. Yeah, um, don't do that, okay? Chances are she's not ready, and your weak attempt at chivalry just cost you your turn. See you in 30 minutes.
Try the confused, lost look
This is usually accompanied by the question "What kind of beer y'all got?" while looking at all the beers we have. You did know you were in a bar, right? You didn't just appear here, did you? Refer to Rule 1.
Order High Maintenance shooters
Example: "Lemme get an Alabama Slammer, a Red Snapper, two Kamikazes, a Buttery Nipple and a Lemon Drop." Usually followed by a small tip. People, these shooters are fine by themselves, but there are multiple steps involved with each one. Translation: Time Sink. You may get them this time, but you'll probably be waited on last the next time we see your face. Here's a clue as to whether or not you're high maintenance; if two bartenders are working and they see you, and they flip a coin and the loser comes over to take your order, pretty good chance you're high maintenance.
Assume we know you're in the band
We know, we know, you're gonna be really famous, but you're not there yet, tiger. Tell us you're in the band and which band you're in. By the way, if you are in a band and get free/reduced drink prices, feel free to tip, as most bartenders are also in bands! It's not like we don't know how it is. Oh, and our bands will smoke your band.
Assume we know you period
Unless you've followed the first "Do" rule below, we don't remember you. You are one of a thousand faces for us, and when you point at an empty glass or a beer bottle that's invariably facing away from us, your attempt at a shortcut backfires. Tell us what you want.
Apologize for sucking
Don't apologize for not tipping. Acknowledging that you •••• is not the same as not sucking. Oh, and don't say "I'll get ya next time." We know all about you.
Assume soft drinks are free
Are they free at McDonald's? Are they free at Wal-Mart? Are they free anywhere? I blame M.A.D.D. for this myth.
Put pennies and nickels in the tip jar
We don't want that •••• in our pockets any more than you do. We don't have anything smaller than quarters. Have you ever ordered a drink that cost $3.17?
Be "The Microbrew Aficionado"
Usually a pseudo-hippy who can't tip a quarter but can't bring himself to drink "schwag," and who has to sample some new berry-wheat-harvest-ale that he heard about at Burning Man. "Do you have the new Vernal-Equinox Special Welcome-Fest?" "Does Anyone?" Here's your Newcastle. Go.
Be "The Daddy Warbucks"
Dressed in classic day-trader wear, this loud, boisterous guy smokes cigars and orders Martinis and generally exudes an air of money. Until the tip. We hate you.
Be a "Whiney Baby"
Under no circumstances should you ever whine to a bartender when asked to see your ID. Our jobs depend on them, and when we spot a fake/expired ID, don't argue; we've seen and heard it all a million times before, and it will get you absolutely nowhere. If you "don't have one" or "forgot it," forget it; you don't belong out on the town in the first place. That's the law, plain and simple. If we don't have the law, the terrorists win. You don't want the terrorists to win, do you? Bring your ID. Remember Rule 1, from a minute ago?
Don't tell me the bartender at the front bar hooks it up cheaper
•••••••• because if he did you wouldn't be at my bar gettin it from me! if you can't afford the drinks you are ordering then don't drink!
DO
Tip
Tip heavy right off the bat, and you're the first person we aim for every time you come up to the bar. Did you get that? Go back and read it again. The word will spread to the other bartenders and you'll be treated like a prince. It will pay off in better drinks and the occasional free one.
Be patient
All you really need to do to get waited on is make eye contact. We see you, and we'll get to you before the guy right next to you waving money and whistling. Remember, this isn't insulin we're passing out here. If you really need the drink that bad, you've got a problem to address, Jack. The meek shall inherit the bar.
Understand
we are human not machines we know you're there however you are not the only or most important one in the bar...
Yo, if you can't handle it, get another job.
DO
Tip
Tip heavy right off the bat, and you're the first person we aim for every time you come up to the bar. Did you get that? Go back and read it again. The word will spread to the other bartenders and you'll be treated like a prince. It will pay off in better drinks and the occasional free one.
How about you just do your job, for the agreed price that were quite happy to accept when you were offered and stop asking for money like a beggar on the street. As customers, we get fleeced enough with drink prices as it is without primping someone's ego by giving them more money (which you get taxed on anyway). I'll respect you, won't whistle or bang, keep the order simple, have my money ready and try to make your life a little easier- that's the only tip you're getting from me.
Hey Rodney, my last day in college I gave my waitress $5...I knew i'd never eat there again.
Then again i got thrown out for not paying my bill. It was the cook.My waitress defended me and said he (I)paid!
at an Ihop near the happiest place on Earth, I chose a number, 22, then they called 47, 48, etc. Then 50s, then 60s..needless to say I chose another restuarent.They didn't even know me! the 30s never got to be seated either.
Hey Rodney, my last day in college I gave my waitress $5...I knew i'd never eat there again.
Then again i got thrown out for not paying my bill. It was the cook.My waitress defended me and said he (I)paid!
Not exactly sure what point you're trying to make there mate but I don't think you're advancing the cause for tipping. If I'm reading you rightly you're saying that tipping is good so when you stiff the restaurant what you owe them the waitress MAY defend you and say you paid?? Sounds like bribery to me....
gee maybe ScottN would explain this to you.
the cook thought I didnt pay but he cooked the food at$1.99 and coffee 25 cents ,while I was in college, he thought i was a bum...(they had a bum problem those days in San Francisco).I never went there after that, near Market and Powell street.
How about you just do your job, for the agreed price that were quite happy to accept when you were offered and stop asking for money like a beggar on the street. As customers, we get fleeced enough with drink prices as it is without primping someone's ego by giving them more money (which you get taxed on anyway). I'll respect you, won't whistle or bang, keep the order simple, have my money ready and try to make your life a little easier- that's the only tip you're getting from me. How about you just do your job, for the agreed price that were quite happy to accept when you were offered and stop asking for money like a beggar on the street. As customers, we get fleeced enough with drink prices as it is without primping someone's ego by giving them more money (which you get taxed on anyway). I'll respect you, won't whistle or bang, keep the order simple, have my money ready and try to make your life a little easier- that's the only tip you're getting from me.
I am not a begger in the street. I'm doing a job for you. A job for which local custom and the law here expects you to tip. That's why sever minimum wage is $3.14 per hour. Ordering and not tipping is like if your boss were to ask you to do some work at your job without you being on the clock.
Brian -they did that at a chainstore.They paid a 176 mill. fine! they workers got threatened if they told on them too.
tip!
I am not a begger in the street. I'm doing a job for you.A job for which local custom and the law here expects you to tip. That's why sever minimum wage is $3.14 per hour. Ordering and not tipping is like if your boss were to ask you to do some work at your job without you being on the clock.
So in other words, it's a crime if I decide that you are a doing a job with which you get paid a wage and therefore should get no extra gratuity from me?? What kind of messed up country do you live in????? Surely a tip is something that should be given at the discretion of the customer and not forced on them???
apologies for my language...I thought the censorware would have blocked that one. I'm happy for a mod to edit that sentence to a more friendlier term- maybe "screwed up" instead?
Fixed.
I meant to say I paid my bill and gave her a 5 buck tip, geez.Rod I graduated!
Brian -they did that at a chainstore.They paid a 176 mill. fine! they workers got threatened if they told on them too.
Yes that was a bunch of Wal Marts out in California.
So in other words, it's a crime if I decide that you are a doing a job with which you get paid a wage and therefore should get no extra gratuity from me?? What kind of messed up country do you live in????? Surely a tip is something that should be given at the discretion of the customer and not forced on them???
I live in the USA, where do you live?
In the state of Florida the minimum wage for hourly employees is $6.79 per hour, but for tipped employees it is $3.77 per hour given that it's expected that you will make tips. As you say 'forced on them' but the ironic thing is that the reason tipping is such a big thing in the US is because people feel that if the service wasn't up to par they should not have to pay for it. Some people say 'why doesn't the restaurant/bar just pay the servers a higher wage than I won't have to do it?' Those people do not understand basic economics, as the restaurant makes it's money from the customers and if they were going to pay all of this extra money to the servers they would have to raise the prices of all of the food on the menu, so you're still paying it, the difference is that in that system the server gets it even if you don't want to give it.
I've been told that in places like France the servers get a percentage that is built into the price of the meal and the customer only throws down a few extra Francs if the server was exceptional. That system is more like how the commission works for sales people, like car dealers, electronics stores, real estate agents. I know that in many sales situations (i.e. cars and electronics) it leads to sales people ripping off customers because the more that the sale is the more the commission. Ironically in the service industry our current system leads to servers ripping off the restaurant (i.e. not charging the customer for all of their drinks or sneaking them a free desert) so the customer will give them a better tip.
I live in the USA, where do you live?
I'm in Australia- where tipping is noticeably absent from bills- and more ridiculously- laws. It staggers me that that as a customer you are legally bound to give gratuity regardless of the service you get. That's the biggest crock of nonsense I've ever heard. As I stated on the previous tips board, if food prices going up by a few dollars was the price you pay to stop this ridiculous fashion then I think most people would do it. Either that Brian or get yourself a better job.
I hate the idea of the servers having to pool their tips at the end of the day. I mean, it seems fair that everyone gets the same. However, it's also unfair that people that did poorly that day get as much as people that did well.
It's also why I dislike the idea of wage increases based on hours worked rather then merit. Seems fair and should keep them from refusing to give them a raise. However, the guy that phones it in gets the same raise as the guy that works his butt off day in and day out. In my opinion, such a system does little to encourage hard work.
in Ca, carmel ca, Rod.
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in a book by C. heston, who was in China doing a play ,Caine Mutiny, a fellow was there- for the tips and stuff. he served no purpose that Chuck couldnt see, he asked the guy to leave but he no speke manderin!.The Cpt. Dunsel of China!
Hey I worked for a satellite company in the 80s. Commission only. I spent 6 months and didnt get paid. I sold a couple.Later i workd for a Life insurance agent. I didnt get paid either. i went into my savings. I got told You'll be paid. I ended up in menial jobs..
I got tipped by a customer for doing her groceries.25 cents.wow.
on our honeymoon while eating,at a hamburger joint, the waitress was very happy to see 1o come in then,they piled out.
the waitress asked did i do something?
today its a parking lot at the happiest place on Earth!
for Chris- My dad's boss drowned himself in the lake at 6am one day, in the 70s..We got woken up by his secretary and said we dont have to come work.He got promoted not for his work as a teacher,he was next in line!he didnt have a funeral. he got cremated and by nightfall he was on his way to China.
what was he doing there at 6am etc.he's the one who got me thrown out for eating at the officers' club.I was eating ,this guy said you are not in uniform.(Neither was he)You come here again I will get the mps out.So I left in a hurry..My dad thought i didnt like the roast beef sandwhich he bought!he almost grounded me until i told him what happened!
a bartender can now be fined for letting people get drunk. A guy got so drunk at 4pm,, he drove himself into a kid that had a scooter. the kid died and put himself in or.Then he needed $449,000 surgury for emergancy bypass
.He was dang lucky he was in the hospital! The income tax payers had to foot his bill! ,he had no health insurance!
Rodney- beggers are asking me for $10 or higher. I give em change and they throw it away! (I get em back)., the change. One begger calls me my color and then calls 911 on his cell phone! While I was walking to the lunch line 2 beggers ask me for $20. I said eat at a mission and they call security on me. I drove off without eating there.
they lost the tips I wasnt hungry anymore!
Sheesh- has grammar and spelling taken a holiday on this board?
It's really not that hard to check your spelling and syntax around here.
Bs- What has your rather sad story got to do with tipping?
!- Again, what has this got to do with tipping?
74s- were these beggars part of the restaurant, because it seems to me you're implying they were? If they weren't the restaurant wouldn't have cared less if they lost your tip because they didn't know you were coming.
Seriously people, it's like reading grade school papers around here at the moment. I'm not expecting Shakespeare or Joh Grisham, but please take some time to look your posts over and make sure they make sense
Shakespeare couldn't spell his own last name!
Maybe not, but at least he could compose sentences and paragraphs that made sense.
Rodney, I've had that complaint about !/74s/Anon22/whatever for years. I have given up.
can't please everyone!
- they lost the tips!
I lost my dignity.Never ate there again.I was told that by my dad's boss!
and I was gonna date his daughter while in high school and my dad hogged the whole day(I ended up sleeping in my dad's car for 10 hours). We planned to go Santa Cruz beach and Boardwalk in 1976.She apologized to me the next school day.
My mom asked did I have fun?, when we got home.
i think I did this before but at a Denny's a girl was to celebrate her 17th or 18th birthday and invited 50 friends over. One by one they got told 50 people are coming., get out or leave.Finally the band was set up and they played for nobody. Even the birthday girl got thrown out.The manager didnt even ask for her name!
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I got that at Chuck's Pizza in San Jose Ca,and a denny's in San Lious Obispo Ca.(sp) 50 people are coming in. get lost.My family ended up eating at the guy with funny clown head.We ate there and no one showed up at San L.
get out or leave
There's a difference?
I dine alone and I've discovered over the years that individually owned resturants tend to be better at paying attention to single diners. I have about 4 or 5 places I frequent in the Kansas City, MO area because I get the same service whether I'm dining alone or with friends. The entire staff knows me and I tip accordingly I always recieve excellent service and if there does happen to be a problem the owner or manager is always right there to correct it.
I used to frequent Applebee's here but the last time I went for lunch and refused to sit at the bar. That's my biggest irritation don't just sit me at the bar ask me first I happen to prefer a table and I'm not that big of a drinker. The waitress messed up my order for a House sirloin steak and then the kitchen lost my order 3 times. Needless to say the waitress didn't get a tip and the manager didn't even comp my meal because of the problems. She basically told me it was my fault. I called the corperate office the next day to file a complaint and they acted like it was no big deal. So I will never eat at an Applebee's again.
At an Applebees i got tossed on my honeymoon in 86.
Adults only. i saw a bunch of kids there in Gilroy ca.What a double standard. Are they the head man's kids? We were 26 at least and can pay.
We didnt complain.
Get out means I'm a bum and leave is a lot nicer.
See the 74s tm, on my honeymoon.
Ann, i loved the old Sambos as a kid .I remember going to one, as soon as they see me enter with my parents ,
the cook my 2 eggs and pancakes. Yum Yum!
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then again as an adult, i get tossed for being a bum,or get the infamous 50 people coming in for a party, when I can pay!
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ScottN- I know peoples knocks on my door. I got a knock where the father told me my kid hit his kid. I was in my braintumor days and can barely survive. I said I'm a lousy father.He got madder and called 911.The pd came and almost arrested me when the nice cop saw my condition., they dont want me in jail when I have a hole in my head i guess (still got it).
meant the cook cooks my 2 eggs
yeesh, sowee Rodny!
If you're going to be rude to me "Rodney fan" at least have the decency to spell my name correctly and use your own.
Geez, he's joking with ya!
Didn't find anything remotely funny about it !.
Is there a set amount that you're supposed to tip at coffee places like Starbucks? I figure that I'm only being served for a minute, so I just drop a quarter in the jar.
25 cents., they snap it up too.
Is there a set amount that you're supposed to tip at coffee places like Starbucks? I figure that I'm only being served for a minute, so I just drop a quarter in the jar.
Would that apply to take-out pizzerias also, where you place your order, and either wait for your pizza to be ready, or return after the time allotted? Around here (the NYC-NJ area), a large pizza can cost $12 or $13. I'll say this - in one pizza place in Edison, where I got pizza when I lived there and still get it when I see my son, the pizza is outrageously good.
Adam- my first time I ever ate alone when I can drive out, in the 70s , I got tossed for ordering a pizza.I was about to pay for it when my number came up (47 btw) and some guy told me to leave.Who was he? The owner/manager. Today its a
doughnut shop.I took my 3rd best friend there to show him how it feels to be tossed and you can pay- and we had no problems!
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the Jeffersons had a show where George forgot something in the dry-cleaning store he owns and got arrested for burglury. His wife had to come to bail him out.
in San Francisco where I got called cheap by the girl's brother, (and I was to propose)it is now a Japanese all-you-can eat food joint. The Mcdonolds used to have 20 minute eat limit and they keep track of your time!
on one of birthdays, my 2nd best friend and I tried to celebrate my 22nd birthday.At a bar. We were alone, and the tv was on. A guy came up to us throw us out as we go our beer.The bouncer turned out to be my 2nd best friend's best friend. I said the Tv is louder than US!
we got tossed., by two of his friends , a security guard and another bouncer.
we had 45 minutes left on the parking meter too.
I gave the barkeep the money I woulda tipped.2 bits.
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Today I don't celebrate anyone's b-days.
With days like that, you should stay in bed.