Green Arrow

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: Comic books: DC: Green Arrow
By Brian Webber on Saturday, September 08, 2001 - 7:06 pm:

This series has gotten much more interesting now that Kevin Smith is the writer.


By LUIGI NOVI on Sunday, September 09, 2001 - 12:16 am:

Except that the arc is only going to be 12 issues long, and it's half over. Oh well. Let's enjoy it while it lasts.


By Anonymous on Sunday, September 09, 2001 - 6:54 pm:

Green Arrow question. In Marvel Comics there is a character named Hawkeye who uses an arsenal of trick arrows. One maybe a smoke bomb while another is a sonic device and still yet another is a bola. I was wondering if the Green Arrow used a variety of trick arrows like Hawkeye. Or does he use standard arrows.


By LUIGI NOVI on Sunday, September 09, 2001 - 9:44 pm:

I'm not a GA afficionado, as I'm reading the current book mainly because of Kevin Smith, but IIRC, I think he used one or two in the first issue with the pimp and/or the politician.

It's best to write to The Comic Buyer's Guide and ask such a question either to the Oh, So? letter column at ohso@krause.com or one of the columns, like Andy Smith's Ask the Captain at capncomics@aol.com or www.captaincomics.net. You could also ask Kevin Smith at viewaskew.com.


By Keith Alan Morgan (Kmorgan) on Monday, September 10, 2001 - 5:35 am:

Green Arrow (who was created before Hawkeye) used to use lots of trick arrows: Boxing-Glove Arrows; Net Arrows; Drill Arrows; Boomerang Arrows; there was even mention of a Ball-Point Pen Arrow.

I believe the trick arrows stopped being used around the time that Mike Grell started writing the character & he wanted to make the character more serious. (Apparently he felt a guy shooting an arrow with a boxing glove on the end wasn't serious. Go fig. ;-)

Personally I like the idea of trick arrows, but from a nitpickers POV it does have nits. GA used to have something like 50 or 60 arrows in that quiver of his & yet at most I can't imagiune him fitting more than 3 Boxing Glove Arrows in there.
And how did he fit the rest of his arrows in there?

The graphics always showed a rather even row of fletches sticking out, but a Boxing Glove Arrow has a very big head. Logically there would be a space visible around the BGA. And if he set smaller arrows on the BG head, why didn't they all come flying out when he pulled the BGA out?


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, September 10, 2001 - 3:57 pm:

I can buy a sonic, net, grappling hook or other types of arrows, but not a boxing glove arrow, and not simply because it wouldn't fit in the quiver. In order to be durable enough to work, it would weigh too much to put on the end of an arrow.


By KAM on Tuesday, September 11, 2001 - 2:37 am:

Then again, a guy armed only with a bow & arrows vs. guys with guns? Can you say Dead Arrow? ;-)


By KAM on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 4:32 am:

This comic gets mentioned as Gone & Forgotten bashes the Worst of 2001


By Benn on Monday, January 07, 2002 - 5:17 pm:

I saw that yesterday. Specifically it was cited for the use of the characters Stanley and His Monster (never heard of them). Stan Lee's Just Imagine Superman was also mentioned. Frankly, from what I've read, the entire Stan Lee's Just Imagine line should've been listed. The four issues I have are some of the most excruciatingly tedious comics I've read since Bill Mantlo wrote the Howard the Duck magazine. Ughh. (I agree with G-A-F's assessment of Jack Kirby's 2001: A Space Odyssey series. I, too, bought and read the entire run last year. One nit, G-A-F is wrong, Kirby did adapt the movie, 2001: A Space Odyssey. It was in an issue of Marvel Treasury Edition.)


By Keith Alan Morgan (Kmorgan) on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 8:21 am:

Stanley & His Monster was a humor comic. Never read it myself.

Copied part of your post here, Benn, & moved the other posts about Stan Lee's Just Imagine to it's own discussion thread


By Benn on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 6:36 pm:

I have no problem with that at all, sir.


By Brian Webber on Saturday, June 22, 2002 - 3:02 am:

Of course all the little VA eferences can be fund. The reorter i called Tovah hernandez Carlson for example (Clerk: TAS), and a reference to someone named Mrs. Schwalbach (Kvin Mith's wife's maiden name).

In fact I als liked how ev actuallymae fun of the aforemetnioned boxing glove arrow in the comic. At one point someone holds one up and Oli Queen ges, "Oh god not that thing again" or something along those lines.


By KAM on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 10:05 am:

Brian, please type slower & read what you've typed before you post. I practically needed a decoder ring to figure out what you wrote.

I think a big problem with Green Arrow is that he was essentially created to be a fun hero rather than a realistic hero. (A guy fighting crime with trick arrows isn't serious? 8-0) However Denny O'Neil & later Mike Grell wanted to make him serious and the trick arrows & even the costume kind of held them back. The trick arrows went, but he still used arrows, which still doesn't make a whole lot of sense from a serious nitpicking point of veiw.

Former GA sidekick Speedy, did change his name to Arsenal and started using a variety of weapons.

I was just reading how Jack Kirby was assigned to Green Arrow in the '50s & one thing he tried to do was take GA in a science fiction direction because he didn't think too much of GA & his trick arrows. (Although now I'm wondering if Jack was involved in the creation of Hawkeye over at Marvel years later?)

Personally, I didn't care for how Kevin Smith (or Kvin Mith ;-) brought back GA. Rather than creating a whole new GA, or even resorting to the tried & true, "I escaped my death by..., but recieved amnesia &...", he had the Green Lantern Spectre bring him back from the dead. *Ugh!*


By Brian Webber on Sunday, June 23, 2002 - 11:23 pm:

KAM: I've already explained this elsewhere, ut no, here, so I won't get mad. Anyway, my keyboard, while I'm typing, randomly drops letes. I tried to type Oedipal at SC and it came out 'oe.'


By Merat on Monday, June 24, 2002 - 6:46 pm:

I had that same problem until recently, turned out that my keyboard had so much dust in it that it blocked the keys from making contact.


By KAM on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 4:35 am:

Golden Age Green Arrow
The Birth Of The Battling Bowmen More Fun Comics #89, 1943
Green Arrow & Speedy capture the Gold Gang and take a small gold statue for their trophy room.
Ummmmm, isn't that stolen property?

This story reveals that, years earlier, Oliver Queen had spent ten years gathering up one of the largest collections of Indian artifacts and it was destroyed by criminals and he was really angry about this. He wanted to get away and the curator suggested making it a working vacation by exploring Lost Mesa which supposedly had some Indians remains. While there he met orphan Roy Harper and were chased by crooks and they find an ancient Indian council chamber filled with gold artifacts & statues. After being unintentionally named Green Arrow & Speedy by the crooks, & the crooks' accidental death, Oliver & Roy decide to use the gold to fund their new crimefighting identities as Green Arrow & Speedy.
Wait a minute! Use the gold how? Selling it off piece by piece to private collectors or melting it down? Either way it would be a crime, not unlike what happened to his collection earlier.

The 'naming' of Green Arrow has to be one of the clunkiest origins around. The crooks saying "that kid is speedy" was okay, it sounded natural, but when they say the guy "shoots a mean green arrow" *groan!* Why would anyone mention the color of the arrows?

The Green Arrow's First Case Adventure Comics #256, 1959
This story was drawn & possibly written by Jack Kirby (pre-Marvel).

Mort Wiesinger, who created Green Arrow and was editor of Adventure Comics, at the time, didn't have a problem with this origin contradicting the origin he had written. No one knew that the kids were keeping the comics and would complain about the differences. Personally, though, I don't think it really contradicts the first story, except in the fact that Oliver decides to fight crime as Green Arrow before meeting Roy. However I don't think it necessarily says that the original origin couldn't have happened (and if Green Arrow had appeared prior to the original origin it would make that clunker comment of the crooks about a "green arrow" a little less clunkier.) Although I think most fans just consider this to be the Silver Age Green Arrow's origin rather than the Golden Age's Green Arrow.

In the '50s before going to work for Marvel Jack Kirby worked on Green Arrow. I think he did around five or so issues before being let go. (Apparently GA creator/editor Mort Wiesinger didn't like his taking GA in a more sci-fi direction.) Later Marvel came up with an archer named Hawkeye. Does anyone know if Kirby worked on Hawkeye's first appearance?


By Benn on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 10:30 am:

Hawkeye first appeared in Tales of Suspense #57, which was written by Stan Lee and drawn by Don Heck.

"Up, up and away!"


By KAM on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 2:53 am:

OK, thanks.


By AI Fix on Thursday, February 08, 2001 - 10:18 am:

One thing I haven't been able to find out -- How did Green Arrow (Oliver Queen) die? And where did his son (the new Green Arrow) come from? I don't get that book, but see him featured in some of the other ones I get.


By Keith Alan Morgan (Kmorgan) on Friday, February 09, 2001 - 4:29 am:

He was in a plane that blew up. Captain Comics had an article on it a few weeks back. (Kevin Smith is writing a new Green Arrow series & bringing him back to life.)

As for where did Connor come from? Welllll, you see when a man & a woman get certain urges... ;-)

Probably some past love of Ollies. That was the explanation for his daughter Onyx back in the 80's.


By KAM on Sunday, July 18, 2004 - 5:20 am:

Golden or Silver Age Green Arrow
The World's Three Most Dangerous Arrows! Reprinted in The Brave And The Bold #113 (Didn't give original publication)
Speedy calls them Boxing Glove Arrows, but as they have a curved shaft that allows them to turn, unlike the traditional Boxing Glove Arrow, they would seem to be somekinda Boomerang Boxing Glove Arrows.

Green Arrow receives a call that the X-Ray that showed radium poisoning wasn't his, but Oliver Queen's & could he help contact him.
Man talk about doctor/patient confidentiality...
Course at the end of the story the police tell GA that the radium poisoning was just a misreading & that GA can tell Queen he'll be perfectly alright.
Yeesh!

Page 6, Panel 4. The caption reads, "From a seated position". Actually he's lying on his back.


By KAM on Friday, August 27, 2004 - 4:09 am:

The Green Arrows Of The World Adventure Comics #250 Reprinted in The Green Arrow By Jack Kirby
This story reveals that there are counterparts to Green Arrow all over the world (Bill Finger recycling the Batmen of All Nations idea.). Something that I don't think we ever saw again. Surprisingly most of their outfits are green. The various countries they represent are
France - the Phantom of France
Africa, India & Malay - the Bowman Of The Bush
England - the Bowman Of Britain
Japan
Mexico
Switzerland
Polynesia
& 2 GA's, one wearing an Arab outfit & another wearing a Maharajah type outfit.

Surprisingly there are no Speedys of the World (or maybe there are, but that convention was being held in Columbia. ;-)

The Bowman of the Bush certainly covers a wide territory & it seems that part of his territory would be covered by the guy in the maharajah outfit.

A Wanted poster is blank when it gets to what a crook is wanted for.

The Case Of The Super-Arrows Adventure Comics #251 Reprinted in The Green Arrow By Jack Kirby
The Green Arrow & Speedy get a gift from the year 3000. Super-arrows to help them in their war on crime. However when a hypnosis arrow accidentally goes off too soon GA & Speedy are temporarily hypnotized & some crooks decide to steal the super-arrows to commit crimes.
Good thing for GA & Speedy that the crooks weren't being helped by Scott Evil. ("Just kill them!" ;-)

In one robbery the crooks use an invisibility arrow which turns everything in the target area transparent so the cops won't have anything to shoot at.
1. Everything is transparent except one of the crook's guns.
2. How would this help put a stop to crime? (Crook: Oh, no! They can't see us! Now what'll we do?)

The Mummy Arrow, not one of the super-arrows, flies around a person and wraps them up. How does it know how & where to turn?

Page 6, Panel 7. Speedy's costume is colored green instead of red.

Five Clues To Danger World's Finest Comics #96 Reprinted in The Green Arrow By Jack Kirby
It's called a rope ladder, but it's just a rope with a crossbar at the end.

Page 3, Panel 2. Green Arrow's costume is colored red & Speedy's costume is colored green.

The Mystery Of The Giant Arrows Adventure Comics #252 Reprinted in The Greatest 1950s Stories Ever Told & The Green Arrow By Jack Kirby
The coloring for this 2-part story is different in The Greatest 1950s Stories Ever Told & The Green Arrow By Jack Kirby.

Green Arrow & Speedy fire cable arrows to keep a giant arrow from falling over and smashing things. Oddly enough the arrows turn in mid-air to wrap themselves around the giant shaft.

To stop the noise of a giant sonic arrow GA fires a cocoon arrow which wraps itself around the giant arrow spinning a cocoon. I suppose it's a good thing the cocoon arrow was designed to fly in circles around a moving object, rather than fly circles around a stationary object like the cable arrows.

To keep the giant arrow from hitting a ship GA fires a jet arrow which hits the underside of the front of the giant arrow. Oddly enough while it does miss the boat it lands straight with the arrowhead pointing down. Logically the fletches should have hit the water first.

Prisoners Of Dimension Zero! Adventure Comics #253 Reprinted in The Greatest 1950s Stories Ever Told & The Green Arrow By Jack Kirby
The flashback to part 1, has GA & Speedy in the Arrowcar on the way to where a giant cable arrow has landed, but in part one, they were in an observatory when the giant cable arrow landed nearby.

NANJAO. At the end of last issue GA & Speedy were on a giant cable arrow that pulled them into another dimension. Here they find themselves in a dimension of giants. The giant arrows of the previous issue were fired by children & had passed through a temporary dimensional rift. Here they discover that there is an arrow firing hero named Xeen Arrow.

To catch an escaping crook, Xeen Arrow fires an arrow that breaks up into 4 arrows. Oddly enough the arrows seem to travel at different speeds. First a smoke arrow blinds the crook, then another arrow shatters his weapon, then a chain arrow wraps around the crooks now upraised arms, & an acetylene arrow fuses the chains together.

Page 4, Panel 1. the caption refers to this place as "Dimensional Zero". Oddly enough this nit only appears in The Greatest 1950s Stories Ever Told reprint & not The Green Arrow By Jack Kirby.

Since the dimension warp will be closing shortly Xeen Arrow fires GA & Speedy on an arrow through the warp. At the end Speedy comments that this giant arrow is the only memento of their adventure. Uh, what about those 2 giant arrows from the previous issue?


By KAM on Sunday, September 12, 2004 - 1:08 am:

The Rainbow Archer Adventure Comics #246 Reprinted in Four Star Spectacular #5
The color plates for page 2 are really messed up with unsightly red blotches all over the page.


By KAM on Thursday, January 13, 2005 - 1:30 am:

Untitled DC Super-Stars #17
This story retells Green Arrow's origin & makes a few changes from the origin told in The Green Arrow's First Case! Adventure Comics #256.
Originally GA told Speedy that he accidentally fell overboard, here he comes upon some pirates robbing the ship & gets thrown overboard.

He told Speedy that he made a target on a hillside to practice firing a bow, here he uses a tree.

Originally he said he made a hunting outfit of leaves to sneak up on game (the first 'uniform'), here he just runs around in cut-offs.

Here he's shown using a lean-to as shelter instead of a cave & no mention of chiseling a diary into the cave wall.

Originally he swam out to a ship that was undergoing a mutiny & used anchor grease to fashion a 'mask', here pirates force the crew to row cargo to the island & he doesn't bother with a 'mask'.

Originally he identified himself as Green Arrow, here the captain is holding the net arrow & says, "We owe a lot to this green arrow!"


By Antique_andy on Thursday, March 02, 2006 - 8:39 pm:

KAM
I need your help. I am with a pro-medical marihuana museum and are documenting the origin of the anti-Medical Marihuana laws.

As to the origin of Green Arrow. Can you tell me when marihuana got into the act? The story now being told is that after being thrown overboard he ended up on Star-Island and that there he stop-ed a mob of Medical marihuana drug lords.

our website is www.reefermadnessmuseum.org - click on the comix box

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By KAM on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 2:50 am:

Can you tell me when marihuana got into the act?
Nope. It was never any part of any Green Arrow origin story I read.

As I understand it the Comics Code Authority actually forbade drugs from being mentioned in comics stories from 1953 to sometime in the '70s when the code was revised.


By LUIGI NOVI on Friday, March 03, 2006 - 5:07 pm:

Andy, do you require any assistance on aspects of those laws that do not involve GA? Because Peter McWilliams' book Ain't Nobody's Business if You Do: The Absurdity of Consenual Crimes in Our Free Country details the history of the prohibition of such drugs.


By KAM on Tuesday, June 20, 2006 - 4:43 pm:

Stories reprinted in Showcase Presents: Green Arrow, Volume 1
The Menace Of The Mechanical Octopus World’s Finest Comics #97
The flying mechanical octopus shoots a smoke screen at the Arrowplane & Speedy says, “Like a real octopus, it’s thrown a protective screen around itself!”
No, it’s throwing a screen around the Arrowplane.

The mechanical octopus swims upstream to the bay.
I could be wrong, but I thought rivers flowed into bays & not vice-versa.

The Green Arrow’s Mystery Pupil Adventure Comics #259
A millionaire offers to give a million dollars if GA will train him to be a master archer like himself.
Surprisingly GA doesn’t seem to think this will come back & bite him one day.
Even more ridiculous he teaches the guy how the trick arrows work & how to fire them.

Green Arrow’s New Partner! Adventure Comics #260
If you’ve got a slashy sense of humor this is a fun story to mock.
Speedy is worried that GA will replace him with a new sidekick.

GA didn’t tell Speedy that he was training Jerry because he was afraid Speedy might become self-conscious & overact when pretending not to know Jerry when they were in class together. Well, that explains not telling him Jerry’s identity, but that’s no reason to not tell him that he’s training the son of a man he trained years earlier.

I wonder what ever happened to the Arrows Of Alaska?
They seem to have joined the rest of the Green Arrows of The World in comic book limbo.

The Curse Of The Wizard’s Arrow! Adventure Comics #261
Speedy says, “we forgot to turn the clock back last night for daylight saving time! Our watches are an hour slow!”
No. If you forgot to turn your watches back you’d be an hour fast. Also they think it’s 12:59 rather than 11:59.
Additionally since the issue was cover dated June it probably came out in March or April which is when you set your clocks ahead an hour, not behind.

The Case Of The Camouflage King! World’s Finest Comics #102
The crook’s come back from a successful robbery then the boss gives a demonstration of how the camouflage chemical works.
Why? They know it works first hand! This demonstration should have happened BEFORE they committed their robbery.

The demonstration seems to indicate that the desired color & pattern have to be sprayed each time they want to blend in with something, but the story would indicate that once sprayed the blending in occurs no matter what the background.

Of course the story ignores little things, like shadows.
I don’t care if you & your clothes are the exact color of the background. Lights will cast shadows on your body & the ground.

Have Arrow -- Will Travel! Adventure Comics #263
Page 2, Panel 2. Speedy’s want ad doesn’t match the lines of the other ads & even covers parts of other ads.

Oddly enough, Speedy rented a PO Box in Central City, not Star City. Then again I haven’t seen the name Star City yet. Maybe the writers hadn’t decided on Star City as GA’s hometown yet?

Challenge Of The Phantom Bandit World’s Finest Comics #103
Joey Sanders uses a stolen chemical to turn himself into a phantom.
Why he doesn’t sink down into the ground.

He doesn’t bother hiding his face or seem to try & lose any tail that may be on him so why don’t the police know who he is & have officers surrounding his apartment?

GA & Speedy recover the formula that turns the crook into a phantom & then just dump it down the drain because “it’s too dangerous to have around!” (The crook, apparently, doesn’t know the formula as he stole it & killed the man who invented it.)
Highly irresponsible of them. The lab that Professor Zorn worked for would probably have a stake in that formula. Also wouldn’t it turn everything it touches into a phantom? If you wanted to destroy it you should probably mix it with the antidote.

The Green Arrow Robin Hood! Adventure Comics #264
Oliver Queen, on vacation in England, is wandering around Sherwood Forest when he comes upon a cave that was used as a war-time atomic lab (according to the papers he found).
So why the heck is all the equipment & papers still there? There is a working time machine for goodness sake. Also the cave entrance isn’t sealed in any way.

GA creates a “yoke arrow” (2 bent arrows with a branch across) which somehow “settled over their heads” & pinned them to the ground.
That explanation makes no sense, if they settled then they shouldn’t have the power to pin anything. Also the illustration where it’s approaching the men has the crossbar at the level of their necks & one man’s quiver & long bow should have served as interference.

The Case Of The Vanishing Arrows! Adventure Comics #265
GA gets a letter from Batman congratulating him on capturing the Red Dart gang.
GA captured the Red Dart in World’s Finest Comics #95 cover dated July-August 1958, this story is cover-dated November 1959.
What took so long for that letter to arrive or does this refer to an unseen adventure?

The Crimes Of The Pneumatic Man World’s Finest Comics #106
Blimps are heading to the gang’s hideout when GA observes, “They’ve thrown off ballast... we’re descending!”
Uh, no, you throw off ballast to ascend.

The Green Arrow In King Arthur’s Court! Adventure Comics #268
How many castles are outside Star City anyway? Last month in World’s Finest the crooks used a castle as a base, here crooks are using “the crumbling ruins of Fuller Castle”.

During the story GA & Speedy are knocked out by gas & awake in Camelot & relive the events of A Connecticut Yankee In King Arthur’s Court. At the end GA wonders if they’ll ever know if it was just a dream or if it really happened.
Surprisingly GA doesn’t recall having met a Merlin in Adventure Comics #261 who knew who he was & seemed to have a grudge against him.

The Comic Book Archer! Adventure Comics #269
Cute in-joke. GA & Speedy are invited to the offices of All-Star Comics.
Of course the plot features an artist who is trying to sell a feature called the Wizard Archer who performs outlandish stunts with trick arrows. The editor rejects the idea until GA & Speedy duplicate three of those outlandish stunts. Then at the end GA tells the artist/writer to “tune down that imagination!” *snicker*

Page 1, Panel 2. There’s a comic on the table that reads “Amazing Comics”, in Panel 3 it’s partially covered, but now instead of Comics there’s a word that starts with M. Finally on page 6, Panel 3, a good close-up shows a comic called “Amazing Amazon Comics”.

Page 2, Panel 4. When shown the writers’ room Green Arrow says, “what terrific imaginations they must have to keep coming up with new ideas all the time!”
Given the number of GA stories that feel like rewritten Batman stories* that’s a rather funny statement.
* Not to mention all the Wonder Woman stories that feel like rewritten Superman stories, or DC’s practice of recycling plot ideas every now & then.

The Spy In The Arrow-Cave World’s Finest Comics #112
An escaped embezzler stumbled onto the Arrow-cave entrance and learns GA & Speedy’s identities. He won’t give away their secrets as long as they let him stay. They feel they have no choice so they leave him there while they go out on patrol.
Wha...?!? Let a known crook have the run of the place? You’d think they’d at least handcuff him or something.

The Amazing Miss Arrowette World’s Finest Comics #113
In previous stories when GA & Speedy are captured & crooks take their weapons, GA has either secreted an arrow on his person or used an arrow in an unconventional manner. Here they just hand over the bows & arrows.


By KAM Arrow on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 12:59 am:

Me - there was even mention of a Ball-Point Pen Arrow
I recently checked the story where I thought I read that & I was wrong. It was a Fountain-Pen Arrow.

General nit: Sometimes it seems like the writers can’t decide if there should be a hyphen in an arrow’s name or not, as some stories will apparently have the same type of trick arrow, but it will be hyphenated in one story, but not another.

Also some arrows which seem to be the same type will have different names.

Given all the different names & variations of types I thought about putting an Arrow Tote Board here, but so far the list just from the Showcase Presents collection, & a few other stories, comes to over 15 pages of 9 point type. There's 17 years of GA stories that I haven't seen (plus other series GA appeared in) so who knows how long a complete list could run?

Recurring nit: GA & Speedy have what they call Bolo Arrows, on which they have Bolas hanging from them. (A fairly common nit since in real life people confuse Bola & Bolo.) This has occurred in World’s Finest Comics #102, 126 & 128.

Showcase Presents: Green Arrow, Volume 1
Why does this collection start part way through 1958? The only reason seems to be that they start with the first story drawn by Jack Kirby, which seems ridiculous because he never had a big affect on the series. It couldn’t be because this was the Silver Age GA since the Silver Age began 2 years earlier and the only difference between the Earth 1 & 2 GA’s wouldn’t happen until his new origin a few months later.
Also the Earth-2 GA would have disappeared with the rest of the Seven Soldiers of Victory somewhere between 1945 & 1947 (forget the exact date, if one was ever given).
Heck one story in this collection is a sequel & another story references a previous story, so I really wonder why they chose to start when they did?

On the one hand it’s understandable why they chose Justice League of America #4 for inclusion since that’s the issue where GA joined, but it really is a bad GA story. He hardly appears in it. I suspect the story was rewritten to include GA rather than being created for his inclusion. Justice League of America #5 would have been a better choice as the JLA suspects GA of betraying them so he’s the emotional center of the story & it serves as a precursor to his later anti-establishment image.

Stories reprinted in Showcase Presents: Green Arrow, Volume 1
The Case Of The Super-Arrows Adventure Comics #251
We are told that the Paralysis Arrow can paralyze all living things within a mile. It’s destroyed before it can be activated, but shouldn’t this affect the person who fired it as well? (Then again it is a super-arrow from the year 3000 so maybe the archer is protected.)

Prisoners Of Dimension Zero! Adventure Comics #253
Last issue & the recap at the beginning of this, has GA & Speedy pulled into Dimension Zero by a giant Cable Arrow & yet when talking to Xeen Arrow GA calls it a rope arrow.

GA & Speedy are riding one of Xeen Arrows giant arrows back through the dimensional rift & on the other side they fire Parachute Arrows to gently carry them to the ground.
What I’m having trouble figuring out is how the parachutes attached themselves to the giant arrow? The lines leading up to the chutes are under the shaft of the giant arrow where it would have been difficult, if not impossible for GA & Speedy to attach them.

The Amateur Arrows! Adventure Comics #265
Some young kids make a bunch of arrows for GA & Speedy which the battling bowmen think are useless.
One of them is a Bubble-Gum Arrow which has a sticky wad of bubble-gum on a hollow shaft which inflates when fired & is to catch crooks with its stickiness.
Ignoring the sticky mess that is a wad of bubble-gum it sounds like a combination Balloon Arrow & Glue Arrow.

Another is an Umbrella Arrow.
Why would GA think an Umbrella Arrow is useless? He used one in World’s Finest Comics #95 which was published over a year earlier.

Once fired there is a cord so the archer doesn’t lose the umbrella.
How the heck would an umbrella stay in the air? Helium cartridge?

The Green Arrow In King Arthur’s Court! Adventure Comics #268
Speedy says, “Are you crazy, G.A.? No trick arrow can cause an eclipse!”
I don’t know. A Balloon Arrow at the right distance could eclipse the sun.

The Man With The Magic Bow World’s Finest Comics #119
GA says, “Speedy! Fire your parachute arrow!” They shoot the arrows out, a chute is released & they are carried to safety.
Yeahhhhhhhh... because it makes much more sense to have a cumbersome device like a parachute arrow rather than a simple parachute.

The Deadly Trophy Hunt World’s Finest Comics #120
Mr. Anderson catches a giant squid & when the story ends it’s still captured.
Well, I guess that’s one difference between Earth-1 & our world. AFAIK no one has ever captured a living giant squid.

I also wonder what Lee Elias was using for reference. The body shape looks more like a cuttlefish than a giant squid.

Page 5, Panel 1. The caption reads, “Seeing the lifelike figures, the rhino charges...”
Don’t rhinos have poor eyesight? How lifelike would the balloons need to be?

The Man Who Foretold Disaster World’s Finest Comics #123
Professor Marlo dabbles in alchemy & a recent lab explosion gave him the ability to sense when disaster was going to happen, a buzzing in the ears that continues until the emergency is over. At the end Marlo knows a fire is going to happen but the buzzing fades before the fire starts and he believes his power has worn off forever.
While that might be true it’s a little soon to jump to that conclusion. Wait for a few more unpredicted disasters at least.

The Man Who Defied Death World’s Finest Comics #125
Fred Jenkins needs money for his son’s operation, so he performs risky jobs. After one job where GA & Speedy rescue him again, GA hopes that Fred gets all the money he needs as fast as possible.
Errrr... aren’t you a millionaire GA? Couldn’t you figure out some way of getting him the money he needs?

Dupe Of The Decoy Bandits World’s Finest Comics #126
In order to get a submarine to rise GA fires Depth Charge Arrows into the water, then when it surfaces they fire Rocket Arrows to disable it.
Man, for someone who believes in just capturing crooks he sure has some dangerous arrows there. I guess he’s just that good.

A Cure For Billy Jones World’s Finest Comics #131
Young Billy Jones has lost interest in life. He’s gripped by a mysterious malady that defies medical science. His doctor believes that if he goes out on a case with his heroes, GA & speedy, he can become interested in life again.
Uhhhhh, can we see your medical degree, “doctor”?

The police chief thinks Billy will be as safe with GA & Speedy as he would with a platoon of soldiers.
Well, maybe a platoon of soldiers... under fire.

GA says, “We’ll be a disappointment to a lot of people once this gang unmasks us and reveals our secret identities!”
Well, that’s assuming the gang doesn’t just decide to kill you instead.

The Green Arrow Dummy World’s Finest Comics #132
Speedy fires a Rope Arrow at the rotor blades of an escaping helicopter.
Wouldn’t the Cable Arrow have been a better choice? I should think a rope would get chopped to bits.

The Mystery Of The Missing Inventors! World’s Finest Comics #134
Yet another castle, this one in the mountains to the west.

Caption reads, “Miss Arrowette fires a Lotion-Arrow with deadly accuracy”
1. How accurate do you need to be with an arrow that splatters a slippery substance on the ground.
2. DEADLY accuracy? It didn’t kill the guy.

NNAN. Miss Arrowette attaches a Mascara Arrow to the bumper of the crook’s car & it allows GA to follow the crooks to their lair.
1. Why didn’t she use the Hair-Tint Arrow she used in World’s Finest 113.
2. GA knows about the Mascara Arrow, but the only time we know of that she told GA about her trick arrows was in WF 113.
Admittedly she just might have more than one arrow for a given purpose, heaven knows GA does.

The Magician Boss Of The Incas World’s Finest Comics #136
Speedy fires a Lightning Arrow, however it appears to be a normal arrow & the lightning doesn’t seem to come from it.

Besides all those trick arrows GA also has a disguise kit inside his quiver.
Does he put it near the Van Gogh or the pool table? ;-)

GA says that he learned a little about the ceremonial robes when he first entered the village.
Interesting since it appears that he was recognized as a stranger as soon as he arrived. Guess between panels he must of run into someone who didn’t realize or care that he was a stranger & was talking about the ceremonial robes. What luck.

The Secret Face Of Funny-Arrow! World’s Finest Comics #138
Another circus clown based on GA? Why not reuse the Green Error?

After capturing Funny-Arrow why do GA & Speedy take him back to the circus instead of police headquarters?

The Land Of No Return World’s Finest Comics #140
Rather interesting title given that this was the last solo adventure of GA in the 1960’s.

Plot: {GA & Speedy encounter a mysterious fog that an energy-eating monster comes through & they follow it back & end up in another dimension filled with people from other times.}

Surprisingly most everyone chooses to keep wearing the same outfit they came here in, (except possibly for the hermit who says he had been a gold miner, but dresses like a hermit).

Also once the monster is destroyed the people decide to stay since with the monster gone it’s now a paradise.
A paradise? Then where are the women? True all the men might be gay, but what are the odds of that?


By TWS Garrison on Friday, May 08, 2009 - 10:36 pm:

(KAM probably nitted this on the JLA board, but. . .)

In JLA #74 (September 1969) Larry Lance died and Black Canary came to Earth 1.

In JLA #75 (November 1969) Oliver Queen flashes back to "a month ago", and at about the same time Dinah Lance recalls her husband's death as being "a week past" (she also recalls Superman inviting her to Earth 1, although in JLA #74 she invited herself). GA's flashback includes a reference to "the first psychiatrist I consulted" in the Brave and the Bold #85 (September 1969), which was actually the first appearance of his new costume.

But in JLA #74 Green Arrow was clean-shaven (and in his old costume). B&B #85 was a globe-trotting adventure featuring GA's new moustache and beard (and costume) which are now present in JLA #75, reportedly a week after JLA #74. Ollie's facial hair must grow really fast.


By KAM on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 3:11 am:

While I recently got the Showcase Presents book that reprints those JLA stories I haven't gotten to them yet, so no, I hadn't nitted them.

Ollie's facial hair must grow really fast.
No wonder he gave up on the clean-shaven look if it grew that fast. ;-)


By KAM on Saturday, May 09, 2009 - 3:13 am:

I wonder if he has a Shaving Arrow?


By KAM on Wednesday, August 25, 2010 - 1:05 am:

What Can One Man Do? Green Lantern #87 Reprinted in The Green Lantern/Green Arrow Collection Volume 2
Green Arrow sees a dog about to be hit by a train so he fires an arrow that picks up the dog, curves into the air over the train & drops him down to his owner.
Wow! So many dodgy physics going on here. An arrow outspeeding a train, picking up a dog & rising into the air, dropping the dog & apparently not harming it... wow!
 
Okayyyyy.... GA pulls out one of the last arrow gimmicks he bought before he lost his fortune, it consists of a rocket-sized arrow (must mean model rocket as it's not any bigger than his other arrows) that is a rocket-powered guidance shaft that has a connecting wire to a jet pack GA wears that is supposed to guide him through the air to where he wants to go.
Yeahhhhhhh... okayyyyy, I can see firing a rocket arrow that pulls one through the air, or I can see a jet pack that you wear to send you through the air, but trying to combine the two... at least the writer had the good sense to not have it work out that well.
 
This is the story where Oliver Queen agrees to run for mayor of Star City.
Surprisingly it is not referenced in the remaining stories of the GL/GA run, but the shoulder wound he got 2 issues ago will keep getting mentioned.


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