Moderator's Note: This is Mike's original Troughton summary:
Troughton's Chaplin-like portrayal of the Doctor was a continuation of Hartnell's I-can't-believe-he's-going-to-save-us Doctor. I loved Troughton's insistence on using local technology to solve a problem, rather than grab some super-futuristic device out of the TARDIS.
But wasn't it Troughton who invented the sonic screwdriver? That's the ultimate in let's-whip-out-some-super-technology-to-get-me-out-of-a-tight-corner. Not that I mean to insult the sonic screwdriver. I consider it far more of a companion than most of the humanoids who accompanied the Doctor.
Yeah, I believe he started using the sonic screwdriver in "The War Games." Of course, Troughton used it with a twist; instead of actually unscrewing something with it, he used it to distract the guard while Jamie snuck up on him.
Pertwee was the first one to use the SS for everything. It was like some super-duper Swiss Army knife.
Actually the sonic screwdriver was used much earlier - I think its first appearance was in Fury From The Deep.
(How about a separate board for the sonic screwdriver? Or Bessie? Or the Whomobile? I am joking, of course)
Don't tempt me, Chris.
As Oscar Wilde once said: "The only way to beat temptation is to yield to it".
Was the Second Doctor the only one to play a musical instrument (though some might consider "play" to be a bit of a charitable term)?
I believe the 7th Doctor played the spoons ;-)
And Jon Pertwee could croon "Martian Moon" with the best of 'em. :-)
I've always wondered: if one of the later Doctors picked up a recorder, would he remember how to play it?
According to Happy Endings, the Seventh Doctor doesn't know how to play cricket any more and has to read an instruction book.
At the beginning of the Power of Kroll, Tom Baker's Doctor plays a flute he made himself out of a reed he plucked from the swamp.
Later on in the show he uses his voice to break a window, though that wasn't very musical.
Almost forgot, the first Doctor played, sort of, a lyre in Nero's court in the story The Romans.
The Fourth Doctor whistles quite a bit too.
Ah, but the point was he couldn't play the lyre, so he used the Emperor's New Clothes trick - claiming that only those of immense intelligence would be able to hear his music. But somehow he got rather good at stringed instruments by the time the Fifth Doctor played the harp of Rassilon.
THE SPOONS?!?!? Well at least he has rhythm.
Actually, if I recall correctly, Davison tried to play a flute of some kind in Castrovalva.
Its when he's going through and putting together his costume.
Oops, forgot.
Collin Baker plays the organ in Attack of the Cybermen.
Yes, that was the final straw. I always considered Colin Baker completely unrecognisable from his predecessors, and then when the TARDIS became unrecognisable too...an organ for god's sake!...I reached for the off switch (I'm not saying I actually pressed it, however).
The Second Doctor also sings - that Rasillon's Tower nursery rhyme. Though given that the response is 'Are you in pain, Doctor?' not very successfully.
Doesn't Colin Baker also sing "On With Motley" during The Trial Of A Time Lord?
And Sylvester McCoy sings "As Time Goes By" in "Paradise Towers."
And William Hartnell sort of sings in The Chase.
I'm having a hard time recalling this, Emily, and I just watched the story recently. What does he do, sing along with the Fab Four?
And an I'm surprised no one's called me on this, but I meant to say the Doctor sings in "Happiness Patrol," not "Paradice Towers."
That's right Kevin. The Doctor, Ian, and Vicki all sing along with the Timescope 'cast of the Beatles.
Well Kevin, I'd have called you on "Happiness Patrol", but other people beat me to it.
Mel's remarks in TOATL suggest that her doctor couldn't sing.
Yes, PT's singing in The Five Doctors is slightly painful.
McGann, or however you spell his name, hummed along with the opera.
I can't think of any others, at the moment.
Tut tut tut, what bad memories everyone has. I've just checked The Chase, and Hartnell's lying outside the TARDIS sunbathing and singing away. Barbara asks 'What's that awful noise' whereupon he gets offended and says that his singing could charm the nightingales out of the trees. Though as it happens she was referring to the Space/Time Visualiser noise. We then hear what I can only imagine to be the first Dalek attempt at singing - the repeated chant of 'TARDIS TARDIS'.
Hey! Those Daleks weren't singing. It was a form of Gregorian Chant!
As I've said on the Chase board, this is hands-down the worst Dalek scripting. (Actually, I said "worse" when I meant "worst." And to think I teach English!) One of the Daleks actually stutters and mumbles before it gives its report.
Here's a bit of a list of where the Doctor sings (up until Survival, anyway):
1. Sunbathing outside the TARDIS in The Chase.
2. Hums a section from The Poacher as he walks over the wasteland in ep. 1 of The Krotons.
3. Sings in Ashbridge Cottage Hospital's shower in ep. 2 of Spearhead From Space.
4. Sings a version of Lewis Carroll's Jabberwocky in ep.1 of Doctor Who And The Silurians.
5. Sings Le Donna e mobile as drives Bessie in ep. 1 of Inferno and then Shine On Martian Moon in ep.7.
6. Sings I Don't Want To Set The World On Fire just before his experiment explodes in ep.1 of Terror Of The Autons.
7. Croons the Venusian lullaby Kickleda Partha Menin Klatch in The Curse Of Peladon and The Monster Of Peladon.
8. Whistles Colonel Bogey in The Face Of Evil, The Talons Weng-Chiang and The Invasion Of Time.
9. Hums London's Burning as it does in The Visitation.
10. Sings I Want To Be Happy as he prepares for the masque in Black Orchid, ep.1.
11. Doctor Two sings the Gallifrey nursery rhyme in The Five Doctors.
12. Sings a snatch of The Barber Of Seville in ep. 2 of The Two Doctors.
13. Sings On With Motley as the TARDIS dematerialises in The Trial Of A Time Lord, ep.12.
14. Croons As Time Goes By in ep.3 of The Happiness Patrol.
And on the Doctor Who and the Pescatons record, he sings Hello Dolly.
Several NAs have references to Doc7's sppon playing ability. Maybe it is important for Time's Champion?
Maybe spoons are important when messing about with time? Didn't the Third Doctor's contraption in The Time Monster have spoons? Or was that forks?
To hear Sylvester's spoon playing, IIRC, he plays on a version of the theme on 'The Worlds of Doctor Who' CD (the last track?).
This guy looks like Moe Howard.
The beginning of this post can be found in Your first time in the Ask the Matrix section.
In this second incarnation of the Doctor, we see the beginning of an interesting development in the varying personalities of the Doctors- almost a maturing process. The character of the Doctor is growing and learning through his several lives, much as humans grow and learn in the shorter time span alloted to us. As in humans, this sometimes takes the form of a rebellion against our former selves. We notice incarnations of the Doctor utilizing and developing certain facets of his personality, while actively working against others.
Thus, in the second incarnation, we have a Doctor whose personality appears to have completely reversed itself. Cheerful, outgoing, even comic, he is much more concerned with peoploe than historical events. In fact, this facet of his personality- almost a backlash against his first incarnation- would eventually be his downfall.
This incarnation of the Doctor is often called a rogue. A middle-aged man with a mop of straight, dark-brown hair worn a la the Beatles, he had an impish twinkle in his eyes that was irresisteble. A blue-and-white polka-dot tie that invaribly dangled off-center from his open collar shirt added to his rakish appearance. He was the only Doctor to play a musical instrument regularly, finding comfort in blowing tunes on a recorder, much to the annoyance of his Companions. He adored tinkering with electronics and created the famous sonic screwdriver (Nah, it was Jamie. G.L.), but he was a tinkerer. Despite the fact that the TARDIS was falling apart around him and was completely out of control, he had not the slightest interest in repairing it.
Although he only lived twenty-five to fifty years, this Doctor did more intervening in time than any other of the incarnations, primarily because of his interest in and desire to help humans. He confronted the Daleks once again, this time meeting the Emperor Dalek. He beat back three invasions launched against Earth by the Cybermen, fought off two attempted invasions by the Ice Warriors, and saved mankind from the dangers imposed by the Great Intelligence and its furry robots, the Yeti (Omigod, was that for real? G.L.).
His major battle, however, came against the War Chief, a renegade Time Lord who broke all the rules and provided an alien race with the means to travel through time. The aliens kidnapped vast numbers of soldiers from Earth's past, planning to use them to create an invincible army bent on galactic conquest.
In order to stop this threat, The Doctor was forced to appeal to Gallifrey to obtain help. The Inner Council intervened, executed the War Chief, then promptly arrested the Doctor for his meddling in the affairs of men.
Upon his arrest, the Doctor was taken back to Gallifrey where, as punishment for his crimes, he was forced to regenerate and was sent into exile in Earth's 20th century.
STR 10 (IV), END 10 (IV), DEX 10 (IV), CHA 15 (V), MNT 21 (VI), ITN 21 (VI)
Race: Gallifreyan
Sex: Male
Height: Short
Build: Average
Looks: Plain
Apparent Age: Middle-aged Adult
My hands are starting to ache, so I'll post the rest some other time.
How do do pronounce his surname? Is it Truff-tun or Trawt-un or something completely different?
Trout (like the fish) on.
Patrick Troughton also played a priest in "The Omen"
He died after leaving a Dr. Who covention down in Georgia (I think that's where it was)
He was a priest who had the 666 birthmark, like Damien.
Now, I'm a great Troughton fan, and think his Doctor to be one of the true good 'uns. But I also think that, of all the Doctors, he was the most underused. Take The Ice Warriors, when with perfect comic timing the Doctor enters the Martian spaceship, takes one look at the Warriors and promptly walks back out again. There were not enough moments like that, and certainly not the quotable quotes you'd could reel off for Hartnell or any of the others.
What I thought about recently was how much time he spent pacifying Jamie or Zoe or Victoria, explaining the obvious or speaking poorly scripted cliches. The Second Doctor ought to have been given some of the Tom Baker lines, or at least given the kind of dialogue that an actor like him can give. Sometimes, it's as if the writers thought that the act of him being there was enough. Patrick Troughton should have been given not only a lot more to do, but a lot more to say.
Apparently, Troughton used a lot of visual, subtle humor, which makes it a great shame that almost none of his episodes survive. Often it was a quietly subtle humor. Along with the scene you mention from The Ice Warriors, there was a comic scene in The Moonbase, with Troughton trying to collect "samples" from the workers without their noticing. He doesn't speak a word. In an audio version, the comedy of that 1-minute scene would be completely lost. A listener wouldn't even know that there was meant to be something funny there. Even the script fails to convey what's happening.
Makes me wonder how many similar scenes we don't know about. Of all the Doctors, Troughton is probably the least effective in audio format. He needs to be seen. Imagine if the BBC had burned Tom Baker's episodes instead--somehow I think his personality, voice, and sense of humor still would come across very strongly on audio. Not so with Troughton.
Troughton had a lot of great lines. To wit:
Zoe: Is it safe?
Doctor: Oh, I shouldn't think so for a moment.
(to Jamie)Doctor: Now, I need you to act s tupid. Do you think you can do that?
Jamie: Have you thought up some clever plan, Doctor?
The Doctor: Yes Jamie, I believe I have.
Jamie: What are you going to do?
The Doctor: Bung a rock at it.
Doctor: Logic, my dear Zoe, merely enables one to be wrong with authority.
And don't forget:
Doctor: Now what I'm about to do involves a great deal of risk, so anyone that wishes to leave had better do so now. Not you, Jamie.
And during the infamous Krotons episode at the sound of a gong, "Great jumping gob-stoppers, what was that?"
'The Five Doctors' ;
Soldier; "I'm sorry, sir,you're not allowed in there!" Doctor: "Not allowed? I'm allowed everywhere!"
'The Three Doctors' and 'The Five Doctors';
"I see you've been doing the place up a bit! Hmf! I don't like it!"
And one of my favourites during 'The War Games'; "You can't kill me! I'm a genius!"
Wouldn't a lot of those lines also worked for other Doctors? A lot of authors claim it's hard to capture Troughton's Doctor in book form because of his visual nature.
Offhand, "Great jumping gob stoppers" is a great line. (In my opinion) Just like "Jellybabies" was for T. Baker's Doctor.
Certainly better than Pertwee's "Jumpin' Jehosaphat!"
Did he ever really use both those two words together or was it just "Jehosophat!"
The writer of the PDA "Dreams of Empire" tried to describe the comedic actions of the 2nd Doctor, but I thought it came across as silly and labored.
Is that the one where he's walking around with a sandwich stuck to his behind when he leaves the TARDIS at the start?
That's the one.
Going back to the instruments posts way above, there's a short story called 'Gone Too Soon' in 'Short Trips and Side Steps' (it won a competition with the BBC or something) where the 6th Doctor learns how to play guitar, grabs a bass, and steps in for Stuart Sutcliffe when the Beatles were playing that strip club in Hamburg!
Also, the 5th Doc plays the harp in 'Five Doctors'.
Just realized that Troughton had the equivalent of 14 episodes as a "guest" Doctor--the length of a full McCoy season. (Three Doctors, 4. Five Doctors, equivalent of 4, Two Doctors, equivalent of 6.) Shame most of his original run is lost.
You know, that's actually a bit of a comfort - I hadn't thought of it like that before. Fitting that a Time Lord should sneak in some extra time after everyone thought his time was up.
'Shame' is a slight understatement vis a vis the missing episodes, but I won't elaborate on what WOULD be a suitable description, as it would take several hours, most of the words would be censored by the bb, and the whole exercise wouldn't do my blood pressure any good.
Jamie: Have you thought up some clever plan, Doctor?
The Doctor: Yes Jamie, I believe I have.
Jamie: What are you going to do?
The Doctor: Bung a rock at it.
My absolute favorite Doctor Who line. Also, wasn't this the first doctor to offer someone a Jellybaby?
I know he carried candy, but I'm not sure if they were jelly babies. Wouldn't put it past him, though.
What episode are these lines from? I also think they're great, and I have never been able to find out where they're from.
The "bung a rock at it" is from "The Krotons" I believe.
Its in "The Three Doctors" that Traughton offers someone a Jellybaby.
Thanks, Merat.
Its in "The Three Doctors" that Traughton offers someone a Jellybaby.
What are jelly babies exactly? They looked kind of like gummi bears but I've never really looked that closely. (In any case, I used gummi bears for my jelly beans when I was the Doctor for Halloween, and they seemed to work well!)
I just checked and "bung a rock at it" is from "The Abominable Snowmen"
Well, uh, thanks again!
Daroga--Jelly Babies are an incredibly sweet, baby shaped piece of candy. They're produced by Bassett's, the British sweets manufacturer.
The taste is both a bit sweeter and a bit fruitier than Gummi Bears. I believe JBs are also lighted dusted with sugar. They also have a slightly chewier texture than Gummi Bears.
For many years Jelly Babies were unavailable in the States, because they used food dyes that were prohibited by the FDA. Either than restriction has been lifted, or they've stopped using that particular dye (Red dye #2? I think). Anyway, you can find them in some gourmet food shops.
These websites have good information on Jelly Babies:
http://www.missingpiece.com/RADW/jbabies.html
http://www.britstore.co.uk/itmidx2.htm
Thank you, Mike. I had thought the Doctor (aka the writers) just made them up. I guess Leela's comment about the Evil One really eating babies was truer than I thought.
I've actually eaten babies myself--Jelly, that is. Can't say I cared for them. I don't really like overly sweet candies; I'm more of a chocolate man. My best friend in high school, though, loved them.
Think of the number of friends the Doctor would have had had he offered chocolate to everyone he met! Davros might have been a nice guy if he'd had a taste of a Mars bar or chocolate-covered cherry.
Mmmmmmmmm......intergalactical chocolate.....
The Doctor was no doubt acting on principle by refusing to eat products based on cocoa, harvested by - at best - disgustingly low-paid African workers and - at worst - enslaved children. Not that that's ever stopped me.
Well, Patrick Troughton has beaten out Tom Baker in my mind as the best doctor(sorry, Emily). He is the epitome of Baker's line, "There's no point in being grown up if you can't be childish sometimes." He has this childlike quality to him. He also seems to care a great deal for his companions. The clincher for me was when I realized that I've been imitating his faces recently, especially the impish one.
Oh my giddy aunt! Great, giant gob-stoppers! Dear oh dear oh dear!
Pardon me. Just had to get that out of my system.
Carry on.
He has this childlike quality to him.
I'm fond of Patrick Troughton, too. I feel like he's the only Doctor you could greet with a hug. With the First Doctor, a nod and a handshake would be the proper greeting. For the Third Doctor, I think he would clap you on the back. Not sure about the rest. But I definitely feel you could get a hug from the Second Doctor.
I think the Third Doctor would probably give a two-handed hand shake, whereas the Fourth might clap you on the back, somewhat absentmindedly.
The Fifth would place his hands on both shoulders, somewhat breathlessly and briefly, whilst his mind was elsewhere.
I could imagine the 7th Doctor, mainly in Season 24, kissing someone square on the lips.
I always thought the 7th Doctor stuck with a simple raising of his hat; the only time he shook hands was when he was picking that person's pocket...
I think the Third Doctor would probably give a two-handed hand shake, whereas the Fourth might clap you on the back, somewhat absentmindedly.
The Fifth would place his hands on both shoulders, somewhat breathlessly and briefly, whilst his mind was elsewhere.
Ah, very good, Luke, I agree. However, I must express some confusion as to why the 7th Doctor would be kissing people--maybe it has to do with the fact that I've only seen half of the episodes in Season 24?
Meanwhile, the Sixth Doctor would chuck you into the nearest acid bath and the Eighth Doctor would snog you senseless.
I don't see McCoy as much of a kisser, either. Whereas Troughton did kiss some bloke on the lips in The Highlanders. Allegedly. Sadly (or not as the case may be) we are unlikely to see this with our own eyes.
It's OK, Merat, don't worry about it, there's no law that says you've got to have good taste in Doctors.
Emily, WHEN did the sixth Doctor chuck anyone into an acid bath? I don't know of any occasion he did it. Perhaps you could enlighten us? (NB Any mention of Vengeance on Varos in your answer will be entirely inaccurate.)
Well, I could see Baker giving someone a hug, but I would be worried about what he was up to behind my back... the Doctor is sneaky!
I think the 7th kissing thing probably has more to do with McCoy's pantomime reputation and his general gurning around.
OK Edwin, if it makes you happier...the Sixth Doctor would greet you by chloroforming you to death and then making a s t u p i d pun about it. Any better?
(Still, in fairness I have to admit that the Seventh Doctor is pretty likely to take one look at you and then wipe out your home planet. Oh well.)
Moderator's Note: I moved this from the Tomb of the Cyberman section because it deals with general Troughton issues...oh, alright, I'm lying, I moved it cos I was feeling bad that none of us had bothered to say a WORD about poor darling Troughton since 2002.
Emily - "I'm not sure he 'knows just what's going on'. It's possible that he had a mysterious McCoy-style masterplan to revive the cybermen - but why? Or was he just being stupid/curious/mischievous when - having warned everyone to leave the Tombs alone - he opened them up? Or when he recharged a helpless cyberman?"
Luiner - "I find it interesting when they are trying in vain to figure out how to power up the Tomb. Then the Doctor goes about saying "but that's because you didn't use that neat binary logic algorhythm thingamajig" or something to that effect. Where upon the Scientist goes "Eureka!" while the Doctor warns him not to do that. Now was the Doctor pretty ztupid to hint the answer, when it would have been easier and with less loss of life if he had kept it to himself. Or was it part of his 'MasterPlan'?"
There's no way to back up my personal opinion on this, but for me, I'm going with the scenario that the Doctor knows what's going on, what's going to happen, and that if time was supposed to run as it should, he needed to give Klieg a little push to keep the timeline intact.
He's always been knowledgeable about the past (ie, this person must live, this person must die, this war must be fought-- it's all in the history books and must play out the way time was meant to), but he also has knowledge of our future (most recently, he knew that events in 'The Waters Of Mars' had to end the way they did), and it stands to reason that sometimes he must know that he's watching history take place, as he knows it to be.
Therefore, I'm speculating that he knew of the doomed expedition to Telos, which was sabotaged by an infamous man named 'Kleig', who did many nasty things in his life, which was destined to end here on Telos. There were enough survivors to recount what happened, painting Kleig as this event's focal point.
Sure, the Doctor might have been bumbling and too curious for his own good, but why not leave well enough alone down there? The Cybermen were locked below, with a very, very small chance of revival. As it is, they were not destroyed down there after all was said and done, so the tomb is left in much the same situation as it was before the tombs were reopened.
There's no way to back up my personal opinion on this, but for me, I'm going with the scenario that the Doctor knows what's going on, what's going to happen, and that if time was supposed to run as it should, he needed to give Klieg a little push to keep the timeline intact.
Nice try...and quite possible, but I'm not convinced. Sure, by Waters of Mars the Doctor's an expert on the Web of Time ('My 'istory is perfect' as Eccy put it) but at SOME point in his lives he obviously sat down for a few decades with some history books and the TARDIS manual (or, more likely, got it all downloaded into his head somehow). Because early on...he was STAGGERINGLY ignorant about everything but pre-1960s Earth history. Hartnell hadn't heard of DALEKS, for crying out loud.
Of course, Tennant did imply in Fires of Pompeii that it was Time Lord instinct rather than factual knowledge that enabled him to decide what was fixed, what was in flux etc, but I suspect that instinct develops very slowly over many centuries, and Troughton wouldn't have had it yet - he hasn't even admitted to BEING a Time Lord yet. (See Hartnell again. 'You can't change history, not one line!' my ****.)
I'm no expert on Troughton stories (what with them being BURNT and all) but I dn't remember him ever having much idea what was going on...?
Sure, the Doctor might have been bumbling and too curious for his own good
Well, that's the alternative explanation for Two's criminally careless and hypocritical behaviour, isn't it? Does he NEED any other reason? See, yet again, Hartnell sabotaging his own TARDIS to force everyone to go investigate the Dalek city. The ONLY time I can EVER think of a Doctor deliberately turning his back on a mystery is in Satan Pit (for all the good it did him). Come to think of it, reckless curiosity is the strongest - if not the only - quality to span all eleven Doctors. (To quote Matt, 'Something's wrong here...let's go poke it with a stick!')
The ONLY time I can EVER think of a Doctor deliberately turning his back on a mystery is in Satan Pit
I suppose Waters of Mars could count, though if I recall correctly there may have been little mystery left by time he actually started to walk away.
I'm sure 'for all the good it did him' would cover any such instance.
Ah, so THIS is the thread where we talked about the Doctor's musical abilities. I wanted to update it once and couldn't find it.
Now I can't remember what I wanted to add.
Well, Tennant's organ playing of course.
Dunno if all the new series dancing counts.
Well, Tennant's organ playing of course.
Was it not magnificent? And then there's his composing skills...(Alright, so his sketch at the Prom was non-canonical. Also not very good.)
Dunno if all the new series dancing counts.
Matt's...'dancing'...certainly doesn't count. Eccy's does.
Oh, and Tennant's dancing probably counts. On the one hand, he WAS some John Smith human at the time...on the other hand said human didn't know he could dance (god, that shoddy Time Lord workmanship - the Chameleon Arch REALLY didn't bother giving him much of a backstory) so it must have been a skill he inherited from the Doctor himself.
And he DID dance with Madame de Pompadour, even if we didn't see it.
(Alright, so his sketch at the Prom was non-canonical. Also not very good.)
Oh, I don't know. Seems it would have as much validity as Time Crash. It was done by the current DW production team after all and shown by the BBC (both live and on air).
It most certainly does not! Time Crash has its own section on Nitcentral; the Prom sketch has to make do with Apocrypha: Televisual Uncanonicities. CLEAR proof!
(Alright...if you MUST know, the Prom thing isn't canon because if it is, I'd curl up and DIE. Because I could have been PART of that canon, MY voice could have been yelling right back at THE TENTH DOCTOR HIMSELF...if ONLY I'd bothered to buy a ticket...)
Have to say, I'd love to attend a Who prom night.
Patrick Troughton's biography comes out later this year (written by his son Michael). Would be a fascinating read.
Yeah, it will
Didn't Patrick Troughton command a PT boat in World War II? I wonder if that will be mentioned. I can't see ANTHING having to do with WWII still being top secret some seventy years later.
I don't know if he commanded it or not but he saw some war action during WW2. I suspect this will be covered by the book. I'm actually tempted to pre-order and get my name in the back....
At 6 out of 11 Doctors viewed so far (only missing 4-8), I must say that Troughton is an absolute favorite. It was The Krotons, ironically, that completely won me over- the way that he dons the testing helmet without a single thought, just instinctively, to keep Zoe from having to face the Krotons alone (and then stresses out, bungles it, tries again, succeeds, and squabbles over the high score with Zoe). It was his almost-parental caring for his companions, his humor, his manic personality- everything I love about this Doctor.
Yup, Troughton's adorable. Interesting that you don't mention his seriously dark side - cos he's GOT one. He just keeps it a lot better-hidden than McCoy does.
ONLY missing 4-8????? That's like saying you're ONLY missing your heart, liver, lungs and kidneys...
Too bad most of Troughton's stories are gone. Stupid BBC!
Emily: ONLY missing 4-8????? That's like saying you're ONLY missing your heart, liver, lungs and kidneys...
So Emily--which vital organ are you saying Colin is???
Well, y'know, I meant SO FAR- I don't intend to be missing 'em for long! :-)
As for that dark side, y'know, it's funny- a lot of folks seem to go on at length about his dark side; the folks in that Running Through Corridors book (jut finished- they're total nutters that wouldn't know a classic story if it regenerated in front of 'em and praise total rubbish, but still a fun read)- but honestly, it never came through all that strongly for me (save maybe for Evil of the Daleks). I'm not denying it's existence- but it never seemed to be a prominent feature of his the way it apparently does for others. Odd- makes me wonder what I'm missing. :-)
(Maybe, as you said, it's better-hidden enough that I'm completely oblivious to it!) :-)
"Too bad most of Troughton's stories are gone. Stupid BBC!" - Tim_m
Here, here. While I in no way tire of being a yank, I must say that it does occasionally depress me that, while the average Brit has a very low chance of stumbling on a lost episode in some musty corner or church basement (Heh- just occurred to me- might that be sufficient provocation, Emily, to actually get you into one of the places? :-) ) or rummage sale... being in America, I have no chance at all. :-(
"So Emily--which vital organ are you saying Colin is???" - Jep
You'll notice that she named 4 vital organs for 5 Doctors... :-) I'm guessing that makes Colin the appendix... if not a part of the renal system.
I'm guessing that makes Colin the appendix... if not a part of the renal system.
Gall bladder.
Well, y'know, I meant SO FAR- I don't intend to be missing 'em for long! :-)
Oh, I know you're heroically working your way through everything, but I'd've expected you to CHEAT and treat yourself to City of Death, at the very least...
As for that dark side, y'know, it's funny- a lot of folks seem to go on at length about his dark side
I certainly wouldn't go on at length about it, but it's THERE. I suppose it's not poor Troughton's fault that the TARDIS developed an obsession with near-future bases under siege, and that the monsters involved in said siege were always the type any sane Doctor would slaughter rather than reason with (obviously Tennant in Poison Sky doesn't count as 'sane' by any definition). But two things always spring to mind for Dark Troughton: flicking that switch in Tomb of the Cybermen to let the humans into said Tomb while vociferously protesting against it...and, of course, The Macra Terror. Not so much his genocide of the peaceful creatures, more the way he smugly declared afterwards that the planet had been restored to its rightful owners (i.e. the human colonists rather than the native inhabitants!!).
the folks in that Running Through Corridors book (jut finished- they're total nutters that wouldn't know a classic story if it regenerated in front of 'em and praise total rubbish, but still a fun read)
Well, get to the Apocrypha: Reference Books section and discuss it AT LENGTH!
while the average Brit has a very low chance of stumbling on a lost episode in some musty corner or church basement (Heh- just occurred to me- might that be sufficient provocation, Emily, to actually get you into one of the places? :-) )
Sadly I don't consider the chances of a second miracle of that nature are quite good enough for me to risk venturing into a few million Houses of God and turning out their basements. Especially when it's the Mormons who are CLEARLY God's Chosen People in this regard and I DON'T want to end up as someone's twenty-fourth wife.
You'll notice that she named 4 vital organs for 5 Doctors... :-) I'm guessing that makes Colin the appendix... if not a part of the renal system.
How unexpectedly clever of me...I honestly meant to do one organ per Doctor but my inability to count up to five even using my fingers has certainly served me well on this occasion...
"Oh, I know you're heroically working your way through everything, but I'd've expected you to CHEAT and treat yourself to City of Death, at the very least..." - Emily
It's probably easier, NOT knowing what we're missing, to avoid the temptation- heck, we're just thrilled as all get-out that we have the Master for Pertwee to play off of now. Next to Tom, it'll probably be nothing, but in total ignorance- it's bliss. :-)
"But two things always spring to mind for Dark Troughton: flicking that switch in Tomb of the Cybermen to let the humans into said Tomb while vociferously protesting against it...and, of course, The Macra Terror. Not so much his genocide of the peaceful creatures, more the way he smugly declared afterwards that the planet had been restored to its rightful owners (i.e. the human colonists rather than the native inhabitants!!)." - Emily
Hmmmmm... good point. I noticed both of those at the time, but somehow managed to gloss over them.
Emily:How unexpectedly clever of me...I honestly meant to do one organ per Doctor but my inability to count up to five even using my fingers has certainly served me well on this occasion...
And it looks like It's even tougher to count to six--you named six vital organs-one heart,one liver,two lungs and two kidneys.
Knowing how you feel about Tom-I figure he gets a matched set(maybe 2 kidneys); but this still leaves my question:
Me:So Emily--which vital organ are you saying Colin is???
we're just thrilled as all get-out that we have the Master for Pertwee to play off of now. Next to Tom, it'll probably be nothing, but in total ignorance- it's bliss. :-)
Ah, bless! Though the bliss of the Master's unexpected appearances probably wore off as you worked your way through Season Eight...
I noticed both of those at the time, but somehow managed to gloss over them.
An excellent skill which will stand you in good stead during the Colin Baker era.
you named six vital organs-one heart,one liver,two lungs and two kidneys.
Actually isn't one kidney superfluous?
So Emily--which vital organ are you saying Colin is???
Amanda's suggestion of the gall bladder sounds fine to me.
Patrick Troughton gets a lot of stick for supposedly not looking after his health in his last years but according to an anecdote from one of his co-stars in a mid-80s TV show, he once looked longingly at a chocolate cake that was being handed around and said "Sorry! I'm not allowed!"
Him? Not allowed? He's allowed everything!
On the commentary for The Two Doctors, Colin Baker relates a story that Patrick told him he was a "qusi-vegetarian" in that he would only eat meat he could kill himself- he went on to say that if he was desperate he could probably kill a chicken but in no way could he kill cattle or a cow with his bare hands.
I don't think anyone can kill a cow with his bare hands. I'd opt for a gun, myself.
He had a history of heart problems - he had a major heart attack around the time of "The Omen" in 1976 that kept him off work for the best part of a year.
He was a very heavy smoker, quite a large drinker and had a very stressful life. Two families with children to raise and a worry that the work offers would dry up.
There was another minor heart attack around 1984, but he didn't stop to rest and recover that time and just continued with a busy series of TV and radio work.
A third attack in 1987 finished him off.
He was an avid fisherman and painter (quite a good one) in his relaxing periods. But he just worked himself into the grave.
Well he shouldn't have bloody left Who then! THAT was good steady work! (Well, until 1989 anyway.) Hasn't he and/or Jamie always said that it was the happiest time of their lives and they only moved on because wives/agents/whatever told them to...?
There's an injustice that Patrick "John Steed" Macnee is still alive and Patrick Troughton isn't.
Yeah, this repulsively overpopulated planet is SWARMING with wastes of spaces while people like Lis Sladen DIE and take their entire series with them...Honestly, if I had once of those life-force-draining machines from The Savages...
Still, at least Troughton died in costume...
One of Patrick Troughton's daughters never spoke to him again after 1976, she was so angered at his treatmet of his first wife
Patrick Troughton was a racist ("maybe my Doctor should be blackfaced and turbaned") and misogynist (look at how he treated his first wife).
I personally don't regard wanting to have a black Doctor...sorry, wanting to BE a black Doctor...as particularly racist. Quite the reverse.
Though I can hardly argue about the misogyny, I mean did you SEE him tell Polly to make the coffee...
From his son, Michael about Pat's first heart attack:
Dad was a bad patient – after two months of convalescence and moping around his flat in Ham he was back on the phone to his agent Maurice explaining that he felt as ‘fit as a fiddle’ and that it had only been a minor blip. Everything was under control.
This was far from the truth. Dad’s coronary thrombosis had severely weakened him and his heart had been damaged. It was being treated with beta-blockers to reduce his blood pressure and Aspirin to thin his blood but the doctor had warned him about nervous exhaustion associated with his job. Needless to say he took absolutely no notice of this and was appearing on TV in an episode of the hit comedy ‘Only when I laugh’, by late Spring.
In it, he played a tramp patient called Perkins, who suffers from severe body odour problems and mental instability. He had an invisible dog that he talked to all the time! The comic story line revolved around the main cast discovering that he was unbelievably wealthy and their sudden change of attitude towards him. This was a studio sitcom with a live audience and it must have been a severe test of dad’s recovery and state of health at the time.
Does anyone else think that Pat Troughton's paranoia about typecasting as the Doctor was pretty pointless?
I mean by the age he was when he died most of the roles he would have been offered would boil down to "barmy old man" or "Grandad"
I'd have to say no it wasn't pointless.
I just looked up his record and he was one very busy actor in the almost 18 years between his leaving Who and his death.
I'd have to say he was giving sound advice to the younger actors.
'He's reported as telling director Paddy Russell that playing the Doctor had taken him to the edge of schizophrenia' - makes sense. Though why didn't it bring any of the OTHER Doctors to the edge of schizophrenia?
Could it be how much harder he(and Hartnell) had to work than any of the others???
In Troughton's short season he did 35 episodes.
Note:the only reason it was this short was that Hartnell had already done 8 for a total of 43.
In his long season he did 44 episodes--this was matches up to C.B's(with 44) and McCoy's(42 not counting the movie) total runs.
Note:I am counting the 45 minute episodes in season 22 twice for comparisons purposes.
Also note:Who started doing fewer episodes with Pertwee--since then no Doctor has done more than 26 episodes in a season.
This is moet likely why none of the later Doctors had this problem.
Troughton - a versatile character actor, he'd played a wider range than Hartnell and continues a fine tradition of "experienced actor gets given the gig". In later years, none of that sentence would be seen as a necessity... not even the word actor.
Love the Character Notes for Troughton. Alright, they're not as hilarious as poor Hartnell's 'utter malevolence' but still...'overwhelmingly thunderous rage', 'love of disguises' 'always suspicious of new places, things or people' 'the eternal figure with a horrifying fear of the past horrors he has endured'...tee hee hee!
They accidentally foresaw the new series quite neatly - 'These horrors were experienced during the galactic war and account for his flight from his own planet.'
And interesting that they'd already thought of his 'skilled chess player' aspect, though it only really comes out for me in Tomb of the Cybermen. Admittedly I haven't watched much of Troughton's previous season because OH LOOK THE BBC BURNED IT ALL.
'To be quite honest, I was very reluctant [to become the Doctor] at first. It had been going on for about three years, and I had a feeling that in a way the joke was over, that it had gone on too long.' - Troughton in DWM. DOCTOR WHO IS A JOKE THAT'S GONE ON TOO LONG?????????????
Judging by the scathing comments from you and Kate on the most recent batch I'd say you are pretty much confirming everything Pat said....
Is NOT a joke! (Or, if it is, I'm certainly not laughing.) And has NOT gone on too long after fifty years, let alone three! It just needs A FEW GOOD WRITERS, that's all!
Did Troughton think Dr Who was a joke on the viewers, or the BBC? The first would unquestionably be wrong, but the second alternative - that the people behind the series were laughing at the BBC executives because they'd tricked them into making a show they despised, but which was too popular to be easily cancelled - is moderately plausible.
I don't think it's actually true, but if Troughton did, he might have been expecting the BBC executives to decide at any moment they'd rather be lynched by outraged Dr Who fans than criticised at fancy dinner parties for being associated with mere sci-fi by cultural snobs, and cancel the programme.
'He already had two families in different parts of London. I think they knew about each other but they never met. Patrick told me that on Christmas Day he had lunch with one of his families, and then he'd have to cross London to have another lunch with his other family. He made a huge play for me. I was married with children but that didn't deter him. I said to him, "Having an affair with me would kill you - can you imagine having three Christmas dinners?"' - Mary Peach (Astrid) in DWM.
Yeah, the Doc's on-screen lusting after Astrid is so obvious even I noticed. Any feelings other Docs may have had for Grace/Cameca/Rose/Captain Jack/River Song/Rinette pale in comparison.
Apparently, the second Doctor could have been bigger and MORE SHOUTY!!!!!!!!!!!!!
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2014/08/05/doctor-who-brian-blessed-time-lord_n_5649945.html?utm_hp_ref=uk
...and when asked if he's like to do it, he responded:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GDlxMBbPCy4
The Invasion:
'It needs an overhaul, Jamie, just like any other piece of machinery' - any other WHAT! That's your WIFE you're talking about!
The Second Doctor's brilliant at hitch-hiking. Whilst poor Tom can't even attract a Paris taxi.
'Oh shut up you stupid machine! Diabolical inventions!' - my Doctor is PREJUDICED against computers! Future machine-dominated societies will probably see this as more shocking than the N-word in Celestial Toymaker...
'Accept the situation Jamie, there's nothing else we can do' - adorably Troughtonish. I CAN imagine several other Doctors responding to a kidnapping by sitting on the kerb playing cards but sadly Troughton's the only one I've seen actually DO it.
'Oh...oh...oh...oh...oh...oh...oh' - Honestly, anyone would think the respiratory bypass system hadn't been invented...
'I hate computers and refuse to be bullied by them' - MORE anti-machine racism from Our Hero!
'Much as I detest computers...' - YES THANK YOU DOCTOR WE KNOW YOU'RE A SPECIEST LUDDITE BARBARIAN YOU CAN SHUT THE HELL UP ABOUT IT NOW.
'It needs an overhaul, Jamie, just like any other piece of machinery' - any other WHAT! That's your WIFE you're talking about!
It's Troughton so he's not used to thinking about a "wife" in the singular. He was a veritable Papa Lazarou.
There was in fact a 1970s sitcom called 'The Many Wives of Patrick', but that's probably a coincidence.
It's Troughton so he's not used to thinking about a "wife" in the singular.
Well, OBVIOUSLY his other wife was Jamie.
Emily - 'It needs an overhaul, Jamie, just like any other piece of machinery' - any other WHAT! That's your WIFE you're talking about!
Obviously you've never heard old married couples talk about each other.
Obviously you've never heard old married couples talk about each other.
You mean like Emily and Tim McCree?
KEVIN in Ask the Matrix: The Annihilated Episodes:
The Tardis Eruditorum cites the Three Doctors as the last time Troughton played the Doctor; thereafter he played 'the second Doctor.' Surprisingly, both of the latter stories were written by veterans who had written for this run.
But was he RIGHT?
I do have the feeling that the SINISTER side of Troughton (e.g. Tomb, Power) was omitted from his colour stories...
28 years since Troughton died.
I've come up with a crazy theory to explain why the Doctor and Jamie looked so different, specifically, older, in 'The Two Doctors'
Here goes;
That's not the Second Doctor.
It's the Eighteenth or Nineteenth, or whatever incarnation that we'll never see, after the series is over.
You'll recall that the Doctor received a new cycle of regenerations in 'Time of the Doctor'. And in 'Day of the Doctor', Eleven meets a future self, who tells him that he might find himself meeting up with 'the old favorites''.
My theory is that if the Doctor could will himself to have the Fourth's face again, he could do the same with the Second Doctor's face.
And after he did that, he went back to Earth, found an older Jamie to befriend (again) and convince him to return to the TARDIS.
Just a bit of explanation on my part to explain why they looked older, and not quite from a period between 'Fury From The Deep' and 'The Wheel In Space'.
Excellent!
Of course, it doesn't explain why Victoria was off studying graphology but, let's face it, what DOES.
An older Victoria, perhaps? Maybe she was in her late 20's or early 30's when they visited her again while she was studying graphology.
somewhere there’s an alternate universe where Doctor Who is remembered as ‘that sci-fi show from the 60s that was really good until it inexplicably replaced its main character with a racist cod-Arab caricature’. It truly is a disturbing universe.
DWM: 'Sydney Newman came in and saw this "windjammer" look, and said, "What the hell!...What is this...What have you done to Pat?...For Christ's Sake!...Take that off him!...Mop his hair down, make him a tramp!...He's a goddam hobo of the skies!"' - worship the Newman!
29 years gone. And his last words were to a beautiful woman... "Ooh! You're making me giddy!"
Of course, it doesn't explain why Victoria was off studying graphology but, let's face it, what DOES.
Ah. That would be the Early Adventure audio The Black Hole.
You get the feeling that, like Bill Clinton, Pat Troughton could spit into a petrie dish and start a whole new civilization.
I was once led to believe that the second Doctor s u c k e d on his recorder in lieu of a cigarette.
Gallifrey Base: 'The woman charged with achieving the transformation was Vision Mixer Shirley Coward. "The first I knew of the regeneration was when I arrived in the studio that day and they said we are going to change William Hartnell into Patrick Troughton. Nobody was exactly sure how they were going to do it, so it was a matter of the studio engineers and the cameramen just trying out things"' - BLESS!
I should mention at this point that the 1966-69 Troughton Doctor was a heck of a lot more serious than the clown in the colour returns in 3/5/2 Drs.
Yeah, colour-Troughton never even maliciously attempted to genocide ANYONE for his own amusement! Even when he encountered even stupider people/even sillier monsters than those Altanteans/Vulcan guards/archaeologists/Macra...
DWM: 'That sense of dread is central to the characterisation of he Second Doctor. He spends much of his time in a state of nervous apprehension, giving warnings that go unheeded, out of his depth, overawed, and genuinely afraid of his enemies and their intentions' - are you SURE he's not just...faking it?
I’ve just been doing a little research on the Belgian liner Alex Van Opstal, which was sunk by the Germans off the south coast of England on 15 September 1939. There were eight passengers aboard ship on that day, one of whom was 19-year old Patrick Troughton, on his way home from New York.
The cover of a contemporary Dutch journal depicted the rescue operation in some detail. It seems that in later life, Pat insisted that the young dark-haired man depicted in the bow of the lifeboat was none other than himself.
Why did he have to insist? Was anyone doubting it?
Blimey, didn't Pertwee also get a ship sunk by the bloody Germans? What's the MATTER with them?
Troughton seemed fickle in long-term relationships and was a bit quirky even in public. Hard to say whether he had some deeper issues, or just had the sort of personality he did.
Troughton seemed fickle in long-term relationships
I think the two families were proof that he didn't just SEEM fickle...
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Blimey, didn't Pertwee also get a ship sunk by the bloody Germans? What's the MATTER with them?
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Not quite, he transferred off HMS Hood (to go for officer training, and wound up in Naval Intelligence) just before she set sail to take on the Bismarck.
Blimey, didn't Pertwee also get a ship sunk by the bloody Germans? What's the MATTER with them?
Uh, it was wartime, Emily.
Besides, as Chris pointed out, Pertwee luckily transferred off the Hood before its fatal encounter with the Bismarck.
Blimey, didn't Pertwee also get a ship sunk by the bloody Germans? What's the MATTER with them?
Uh, it was wartime, Emily.
Don't give me these pathetic excuses!
And it turns out those crazy Nazis weren't just going after DOCTORS they were even stooping to attack DALEKS: DWM: '[Chief Dalek Voice Peter Hawkins] was on the destroyer Limbourne escorting a cruiser Charybdis near the Channel Islands...when they were attacked by the Germans'.
was on the destroyer Limbourne escorting a cruiser Charybdis near the Channel Islands...
I don't know exactly how ship names are selected, but I would never tempt fate by naming one "Charybdis".
They probably thought 'cool mythological name!' without bothering to look up what it meant.
Rather like the Woolworths furniture department that produced a little girl's bed and thought it would be a good idea to name it 'Lolita'.
(Woolworths have now gone bankrupt which rather annoyingly screwed up the distribution of Who DVDs for months thanks to them owning a big chunk of 2Entertain.)
Troughton's been gone thirty years today.
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They probably thought 'cool mythological name!' without bothering to look up what it meant.
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More likely because there's been several vessels named Charybdis in the past, so it's just reusing the name, and considering some of the names the RN's given their ships, Charybdis is far from the worst (there's been four called HMS Spanker, for example).
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I don't know exactly how ship names are selected, but I would never tempt fate by naming one "Charybdis".
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Well, in the action Emily mentions (they were trying to intercept a freighter heading for Guernsey being escorted by torpedo boats), the Charybdis was sunk and the Limbourne was badly damaged and later scuttled by another RN ship.
But chances are most of the cast and crew of the early series saw some active service, whether that's front line or roles like the intelligence services.
Yeah I think Tom Baker was the first actor to play the Doctor who was not a veteran of WWII. Even Hartnell served in the war before having a breakdown.
Saw Patrick Troughton in the movie The Moonraker (1958 and not the James Bond movie).
Also featuring Marius Goring , Paul Whitsun-Jones and Edward Dentith.
Goring later reunited with Troughton in Doctor Who in The Evil of the Daleks.
I didn’t recognise Goring in The Moonraker as he had no beard and he was heavily bearded in The Evil of the Daleks.
Whitsun-Jones narrowly missed Troughton twice on Doctor Who.
Whitsun-Jones had appeared in the penultimate William Hartnell story The Smugglers just before Hartnell regenerated into Troughton at the end of the next story The Tenth Planet.
Whitsun-Jones made another appearance in Doctor Who in the Jon Pertwee story The Mutants in 1972, several months before Troughton made a return as the Second Doctor in The Three Doctors.
Dentith also appeared in a Troughton Doctor Who story in The Invasion.
ME in Doctors: Thirteenth Doctor (Whittaker): I don't trust Troughton's exuberant joyousness one iota, scratch the surface and you get a sinister master-manipulator worse than McCoy's (cos at least with McCoy he was OPEN about his secret sinister master-manipulative nature.
STEVE: I can't agree with that. What episodes are you using as an example? Because you can't just claim it happened in 1 or 2 or even 4 episodes.
Obviously Exhibit A is Tomb of the Cybermen: 'Don't go into that Tomb' says he, whilst quietly ensuring that they get into the Tomb and awaken the Cybermen and get killed. But don't think I've forgiven or forgotten the genocide of innocent(ish) Macra and the subsequent gloating. And then there's Evil of the Daleks, where even faithful JAMIE snapped at the Doctor's twisted manipulations (alright, so I've always considered it a hysterical overreaction on Jamie's part but suddenly it's become highly convenient to my argument so just ignore my previous self). Oh, and there was the hideously cold-blooded way he sent all the security guards in Power out to die. And that time he decided that he would destroy the whole of Atlantis as a distraction for Zaroff (we never did find out how many thousands drowned that day - Oncoming Storm indeed). Oh, and the attempt to drain the Great Intelligence's mind was a clear sign of a master-manipulator at work.
McCoy was always a manipulator, who knew more than he was letting on. To compare the two seems to me, at the moment, like comparing a race cars to a horse and buggy.
McCoy always THOUGHT he was a manipulator who knew what was going on, then he arrived, there was loads of stuff that he'd never dreamt of, and hey presto, his great plans exploded in his face and so did his outraged Companion.
And did he even manage to blow up Skaro, anyway?
Well done, Emily. You've convinced me that he does have a manipulative side.
Sorry, WHAT? You can't just read some reasoned(ish) arguments and just CHANGE YOUR MIND! That's not how we do things round here! (Or, indeed, round ANYWHERE on this planet.) You should probably just accuse Macra, Power and Underwater Menace of being Fake News and, let's face it, it's not as if I can actually produce them in evidence...
Welllll...as I've mentioned before, I've watched every episode, the missing episodes in their internet tele-snap version, so I can see where you could get the impression that the second Doctor was manipulative.
I really thought you'd only come up with two examples, not a bunch.
However, I will say that I'm not too sure that the writers actually wrote him as such-- it can just be interpreted that way.
The Seventh, once they got past the first year of him, seemed to write him as the Ultimate Manipulator. It was his prime characteristic, while Two was known for other attributes.
"You can't just read some reasoned(ish) arguments and just CHANGE YOUR MIND!"
HUHHHH????!!!! I thought that was the reason EVERYBODY was here, stating their opinion or facts??? Trying to get others to agree with our opinions?
Don't be confused, be happy!
If it's too much of a shock, then I promise not to agree with you until February 2023!
I'm not too sure that the writers actually wrote him as such-- it can just be interpreted that way.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure there was no Cartmel-style masterplan for Our Hero to be a genocidal master-manipulator, but things were a lot less politically-correct in those days and presumably one thing led to another.
There don't seem to be any examples from Season Six, I suppose they eventually realised that the Doctor's supposed to be a hero and that extras have feelings too...
The Seventh, once they got past the first year of him, seemed to write him as the Ultimate Manipulator. It was his prime characteristic
I always think of his prime characteristic as That Umbrella but I suppose I might be stretching the definition of 'characteristic'...
"You can't just read some reasoned(ish) arguments and just CHANGE YOUR MIND!"
HUHHHH????!!!! I thought that was the reason EVERYBODY was here, stating their opinion or facts??? Trying to get others to agree with our opinions?
Of course it is, but this is the first time it's actually WORKED.
check out Troutys more family friendly performance in The Goodies
Troughton's portrayal of the second Doctor has often been called Chaplinesque. More time has now passed since the second Doctor's first appearance than passed between Chaplin's first silent short screen appearance and that of the second Doctor.
Always remember that Troughton's daughter was a born-again feminist who blanked Patrick until he died for the cr*ppy way he treated her mother during their official divorce.
Read the biography of him penned by Michael Troughton. It's an interesting read (and hopefully they've reprinted it and fixed the many typos in it).
to RH: yeah. Troughton was a talented actor... doesn't seem to have cared enough about the people he hurt in his personal life though.
Patrick Troughton was vain and selfish. His daughter Joanna blanked him for the extremely •••••• way he'd tried to ruin her mother in the divorce. I loved the Second Doctor but now despise Patrick Troughton. What really pisses me off is his misogyny, womanising, selfishness and cruelty will be largely ignored by Doctor Who fandom when the centenary of his birth is marked next March.
You pretty much said the same thing six months ago. Not sure why you felt the need to say it again.
Some people are on the fringe. He had a lot of good qualities, but didn't fit in with our society. There was def some undiagnosed mental issues going on. I can't even imagine someone taking up fencing to 'ease the strain' of his life. I mean, good grief!
Actually fencing is about the only sport I can see the point of.
You can pretend your opponent is Count Grendel of Gracht and much fun can be had, at least, more fun than kicking/hitting some stupid ball around.
Before The Screaming Begins is now on BBC Radio 4 Extra:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b06p4tyk/episodes/player
Featuring Patrick Troughton as the Prime Minister.
First aired in 1978 this was written by Wally K. Daly who later wrote the unmade for TV but eventually adapted for Big Finish Sixth Doctor Sixth Doctor story The Ultimate Evil.
How much of the Troughton factor do you have?
That was all a bit weird. Why did it scream 'WRONG' at me when I said I'd wear a cardigan instead of a fur coat? The aim is ostensibly to see how much like the Second Doctor I am, not to force me to LIE in an attempt to pretend I'm like him.
And as for who's my favourite Apostle - just because Troughton played St Paul once doesn't mean he LIKED the vile misogynist who ruined literally billions of women's lives.
Here's a colorized version of the Second Doctor's exile and regeneration.
https://youtu.be/eWRghlWqHJQ
I like the commentor's suggestion that...
"I would like to see someone redo it with the faces he's offered edited as such: "He's too old (Peter Capaldi)...he's too fat, ins't he (later Colin Baker)...no, h'e's too thin (David Tennant)...that one's too young (Matt Smith)...oh, that won't do at all (Tom Baker)..."
It has been done
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sL8bdnjaX4
Well, except for Capaldi, this video was made before he started his tenure.
Cool
Youtube is great! You can always depend on someone to think up something that others would like to see but could never make themselves.
Actually 'daleksfearthewhovian' could make another one, what with so many faces to choose from;
'Too old' could be the War Doctor, 'too think' could been a medium shot so that we see Tennant is as thin as he says, and 'no, that won't do at all' could either be McCoy with his hat on, holding his umbrella, and wearing a toothy grin, or a close up of Tom Baker with a huge grin and bulging eyes on his face.
I'd prefer JODIE! for 'too young' OR 'too thin'.
Or for the final "Oh, that won't do at all" perhaps? 
CERTAINLY NOT!
dodgy spelling, and, um, "radio-controlled robots"?
http://cuttingsarchive.org/images/f/f6/1967-09-12_Age.jpg
'Dodgy spelling' is an understatement...'dealy Daleks...seek the distruction'...?
I would have expected the mis-spelling of the actor's surname to have annoyed you more, Emily!
Callie, a promo announcer on Aussie pay channel UKTV once pronounced Patrick Troughton as "Patrick Traw-ton" as in rhyming with Shaw.
The moron that wrote that needed en editor.
I would have expected the mis-spelling of the actor's surname to have annoyed you more, Emily!
*Embarrassed coughing* I possibly...didn't notice that one.
The Doctor is *never* more dangerous than when he's got the bad guys convinced he's a harmless idiot.
Have you considered the possibility he/she's a lucky idiot?
I'm reminded of a scene from The Irresponsible Captain Tyler where an enemy captain is trying to decide if Tyler is a tactical genius or a lucky idiot, then realizing it doesn't matter since the end result is the same.
Inspector Clouseau also falls unde that category.
As does Frank Drebin, Francois.
Have any of these people wiped out an entire innocent(ish) native species and then had a good gloat about it?
Lucky idiot my arse.
Today is the Centennial of the birth of Patrick Troughton.
Patrick Troughton: March 25th, 1920 - March 28th, 1987
A decorated veteran of WWII as well. Just like the Doctor, he was a reluctant warrior, a brave coward, a good man forced to go to war.
Indeed.
You have to wonder if being a combat veteran seeped into his portrayal of the Second Doctor?
Jon Pertwee was both a combat and an Intelligence Services veteran.
I must have been psychic on Tuesday, the day before Patrick's centennial-- I just randomly decided to watch 'The Two Doctors' for the first time in many years, picking that one over some other options I considered.
Which was Patrick Troughton's final appearance on Doctor Who.
It was a sign, I tell you!
Roald Dahl (Charlie and the Chocolate Factory, Matilda), using his primary school teacher as an example, made a good point about army veterans, who, upon their return to a job in civilian life, insist on being called by their old armed forces rank in an attempt to seem more important than they actually are.
Thank God we were spared "Commander Patrick Troughton" and "Ordinary Seaman Jon Pertwee" in the credits of DW.
Many of the freedoms we enjoy today, we owe to brave souls like Messer's Troughton and Pertwee.
If they kept using their rank titles, that would have been fine by me.
Roald Dahl said about his (WWI veteran) school teacher who insisted the young children call him "Captain" instead of Mister, "Major i could understand wanting to keep, but Captain?"
Best Trouty Wouty moments:
The Power Of the Daleks-The moment after the regeneration, when Ben, Polly, AND the Doctor are trying to figure out just who this new man is
The Highlanders-When the Doctor holds Solicitor Grey at gunpoint then locks him in a cupboard
The Underwater Menace-When the TARDIS lands and each character has an internal monologue about where they hope they've landed
The Moonbase-When the Doctor discovers that the men on the base have searched every room, except the medical bay
The Macra Terror-When the Doctor is put into a clothes reviver, comes out looking immaculate, and immediately hates it and roughs himself up again
The Faceless Ones-When we get our first glimpse of the inhuman, scarred, hairless creature
The Evil Of the Daleks-When Jaime, on finding he has been manipulated, decides he's had it with the Doctor
The Tomb Of the Cybermen-The "Sleep in my mind" scene between the Doctor and Victoria.
The Abominable Snowmen-When the Doctor locks his mind with Padmasambhava
The Ice Warriors-When Storr offers his services to the Ice Warriors, but is instead killed by them
The Enemy Of the World-When Denes, bereft of silverware, jokes about the fact that someone else has to cut his food up for him
The Web Of Fear-When Lethbridge-Stewart announces that he is determines to rescue thew TARDIS from where it's trapped in the Underground
Fury From the Deep-When Maggie Harris calmly walks fully into the sea
The Wheel In Space-Jarvis's attack on a lone Cyberman
The Dominators-When Toba orders the destruction of the museum after finding out that Jaime and Cully have destroyed one of his Quarks
The Mind Robber-When the TARDIS breaks apart
The Invasion has two moments:1-The Cybermen coming from the sewers
2-When Professor Watkins shoots Tobias Vaughn, and realizes he is partly cybernetic
The Krotons-When the Doctor insists on taking the test after Zoe has been called by the Krotons
The Seeds Of Death-"Your leader will be angry if you kill me, I'm a genius!"
The Space Pirates-When General Hermack meets Milo Clancy
The War Games-When, after summoning the Time Lords, the TARDIS trio try as hard as they can to make it back to their ship
I'd point and laugh but, let's face it, I'd TOTALLY be saying that if I had been alive in '66.
Regenerations are...traumatic.
2's portrait:
https://imgur.com/a/Ub3tlE1
Thriller (1973) 4.2 Nurse Will Make It Better featured Patrick Troughton.
Troughton's name however is not included in the title sequence despite the fact that his character Lyall provides a resolution to this episode.
Also in it was Wendy Williams.
This episode came on February 24 1975 and viewers had recently seen her as Vira in Doctor Who: The Ark In Space, the final episode of which came just nine days earlier on February 15.
The content of this episode felt like The Omen and incidentally this came out a year before that film and Troughton was also in that.