From Emily on "The Awakening" board-
My god, that Jane person is a staggeringly bad actor (though obviously its not her fault she has staggeringly bad dialogue). Her scream of 'Doctooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooor!' puts this straight in my Bottom Ten Cliffhangers.
So what are the other nine? And what is everyone's favourite/least favourite cliffhangers?
One of the worst, IMHO, is the episode one cliff hanger of Warriors Of The Cheap, when Turlough says the Doctor is drowned. The Doctor was in the water for what, ten seconds, when he said that. Humans have been revived after being in the water longer than that!
Dragonfire rushes to mind.
The first scene of Silurians shows the crappy dinosaur. Showing it again at the cliffhanger doesn't exactly work any miracles.
Reveals of shoddy-looking monsters in general.
Probably my favourite is in The Daleks--not the first episode where we see a glimpse of the first Dalek but after they've escaped from their city and realise they left the fluid link there. No screams, no reveals, just good drama.
I'd probably say Earthshock episode one if my local station didn't edit all four-parters into movie format. I was robbed of cliffhangers in general.
Nothing could be worse than Seven dangling himself off a railing. Was that a cliffhanger or did it happen in the middle of an episode?
It came at the end. Whether that makes it a cliffhanger or not is another story.
Ah yes- I posted this video elsewhere here but I love this clip from the Dragonfire doco on that particular cliffhanger...
Some of my favourites-
"The Daleks" end of episode 1
"The Daemons" end of episode 4
"Terror of the autons" end of episode 2 (with the policeman)
"Deadly Assassin" end of episode 3
"Leisure Hive" end of episodes 1 and 2
"Earthshock" end of episode 1
"Mawdryn Undead" end of episode 1
"Caves of Androzani" end of episode 1 (my favourite) closely followed by end of episode 3
"Greatest SHow In The Galaxy" end of episode 3
"Curse Of Fenric" end of episode 3
Least favourite-
"Death To The Daleks" end of episode 3 "Look out, it's a piece of FLOOR!"
"The Awakening"- agree with Emily.
"The King's Demon"- it's so obvious it was the master from the beginning that it's actually no shock at all.
"Mark Of The Rani"- makes no sense- why roll him so far down a road? Why not just throw him in the hole? Made even worse when they recut it so he can be saved.
"Dragonfire"- amongst the myriad of bad McCoy cliffhangers, I'll agree, this one is probably the worst.
One of the worst, IMHO, is the episode one cliff hanger of Warriors Of The Cheap, when Turlough says the Doctor is drowned. The Doctor was in the water for what, ten seconds, when he said that. Humans have been revived after being in the water longer than that!
I knooooooooooooow! The only possible explanation is that Turlough is a pathelogical coward prepared to say anything to ensure he can drag Tegan out of there, but...if he's THAT much of a coward why did he care about Tegan? And why did he spend the REST of the story being SERIOUSLY and selflessly heroic?
I'd probably say Earthshock episode one if my local station didn't edit all four-parters into movie format. I was robbed of cliffhangers in general.
My GOD that is BLASPHEMY. 'Robbed' isn't IN it...
"The Daleks" end of episode 1
It's a sink plunger!
"The Daemons" end of episode 4
Which one's that?
"Terror of the autons" end of episode 2 (with the policeman)
RUINED by the fact the policeman's got a normal face one minute and a blatant mask with eyeholes the next.
"Leisure Hive" end of episodes 1 and 2
Don't remember 2. OBVIOUSLY I remember one but UNLIKE YOU don't approve of tearing Tom Baker into pieces.
"Earthshock" end of episode 1
GOD yeah. Gets me every time, even though it's no longer exactly a shock.
"Mawdryn Undead" end of episode 1
Nah. You just KNOW he's not gonna smash that rock over the Doc's head.
"Caves of Androzani" end of episode 1 (my favourite) closely followed by end of episode 3
Yes yes yes yes YES. 1 was the ultimate 'How the hell are they gonna get out of THIS one' and 3 was 'OMG, Davison's FINALLY become THE DOCTOR!' (OK, so he left it a little LATE...)
"Greatest SHow In The Galaxy" end of episode 3
Can't remember ANYTHING good about Greatest Show.
"Curse Of Fenric" end of episode 3
GOD yes. Gives me chills every time. I think I'm a sucker for glowing eyes, as Ace in Survival 2 does the same.
"Death To The Daleks" end of episode 3 "Look out, it's a piece of FLOOR!"
To be honest that wasn't any worse than the REST of Death to the Daleks.
"The Awakening"- agree with Emily.
Yeah - the Doctor WALKS FORWARD INTO SOME DRY ICE! And, in a stunning resolution to the cliffhanger, he...WALKS OUT AGAIN!
"The King's Demon"- it's so obvious it was the master from the beginning that it's actually no shock at all.
It was to me!
Aside from those already mentioned:
Best:
Deadly Assassin 1: Even my Who-hating mother was saying 'What the ****?!'
Utopia: Oh. My. GOD.
Turn Left: Ditto. (Alright, so it doesn't make any sense, but who CARES? The Doctor's shrieking 'It's the end of the universe!' and, more importantly, there are Bad Wolf signs ALL OVER THE PLACE!)
Stolen Earth: The ultimate cliffhanger. The one that got the ENTIRE COUNTRY talking about it for a week.
Army of Ghosts: Eek!
Logopolis 3 (I think): The Master's SHAKING HANDS with the Doctor! The fact the rest of the story is boring and incomprehensible as hell merely highlights this shockingly blasphemous moment.
Hand of Fear 1: There's a HAND. Wriggling around on the floor. ALL BY ITSELF. I'm three years old and the future direction of my ENTIRE LIFE has just been decided.
Dalek Invasion of Earth 1: Look, I don't CARE what it's doing in the water!
Castrovalva 3: A brilliant idea and visually the greatest ever cliffhanger.
Enlightenment 1: Still a thrill, every time. Watching the cut-down cliffhanger-free version on the DVD just RUINED the entire story.
Worst:
Aliens of London - cos it goes on for half an hour, •••• YOU FOR RUINING OUR FIRST CLIFFHANGER IN SIXTEEN YEARS, BOAK.
Time of Angels: Because a ******* cartoon Graham Norton danced across the screen...KILL KILL!
Planet of the Daleks 1: Look, I love the spray-painting thing. But to find a Dalek on the Planet of the Daleks doesn't exactly constitute a shock twist.
Planet of Spiders...oh, you know which episode - the one where people spend hours trying to get through a door and then we get it ALL OVER AGAIN at the beginning of the next episode, only different...
Fang Rock 1: Some people I don't know and don't care about (alright, so I DO really know who they all are, which makes me care EVEN LESS) might get a bit wet!
Daleks in Manhattan - a dreadful idea, dreadfully realised.
Emily:Hand of Fear 1: There's a HAND. Wriggling around on the floor. ALL BY ITSELF. I'm three years old and the future direction of my ENTIRE LIFE has just been decided.
I'm sorry--by the time I saw this I had been a fan of "The Addams Family" for years.
That really takes the power out of this scene for me.
How many times do I have to tell people that watching Lesser Programmes RUINS THEIR LIVES??
Planet of the Daleks 1: Look, I love the spray-painting thing. But to find a Dalek on the Planet of the Daleks doesn't exactly constitute a shock twist.
Moreover, they completely spray-painted the thing, every single inch, before reacting to it with surprise. Ignoring the fact that the Doctor could surely I.D. an invisible Dalek by touch (which, admittedly, would possibly make an even more boring cliffhanger), it would only take a blast or two of paint to clearly reveal the Dalek shape.
Plus, a half invisible, half spray-painted Dalek would be pretty darn interesting visually. Whether they could have pulled it off in a BBC program that Sam Tyler could have watched is another matter.
Moreover still, the resulting Dalek wasn't completely monochrome. It was grey with black highlights. How'd that happen?
Emily:How many times do I have to tell people that watching Lesser Programmes RUINS THEIR LIVES??
With what I've said about New Who in the past Emily--are you sure you really want to open this can of worms???
*Puts lid back on can of worms and backs away slowly*
a surprisingly smart move on the part of our moderator....
Oi! I'm VERY smart. I was taught by the best, viz, the Doctor:
Never trust a man with dirty fingernails.
Always bring a banana to a party.
Never waste time in a hug.
Humans are stupid apes.
Don't play with fire.
If someone from the future points out a child and says that child will grow up to be a dictator, killing millions of people...KILL THAT CHILD!
Bow ties are cool.
Red is camp.
There's no point in being grown-up if you can't be childish sometimes.
Cheating at chess is quite acceptable.
Global Warming is nothing to worry about (alright...still working on THAT one).
Etc...
(Incidentally, have changed the title of this thread, hope you don't mind Rodney. Who fans just LOVE lists, right...right?)
Incidentally, have changed the title of this thread, hope you don't mind Rodney.
Not that it would actually matter if I DID mind, but it's fine.
Of course it would matter, I'm not an evil dictator!
OK, I'm TOTALLY an evil dictator but if you'd REALLY wanted a cliffhanger thread then I could have made my own separate Top 10s, providing you'd undertaken to talk about cliffhangers a hell of a lot so the 60-odd average posts per thread wouldn't be diminished...
It's not really that important to me. But thanks for asking.
Top Ten Running-Down-Corridors:
OK, this is kind of cheating, but - Eccy in the trailer. You know, THAT trailer. Where he's being chased by a ball of flame. The only bit of running-down-corridors that literally has me in tears of joy every time I see it.
Utopia - There's just something about the Doctor and Captain Jack, back together at last, racing down that corridor together, coats flying out behind them...*swoons*
Doctor's Daughter - The entire episode is just running down corridors so it's really lucky it's such GOOD running down corridors.
Tooth and Claw - the Doctor, his Companion, and Queen Victoria are fleeing a werewolf. Kinda sums up the whole of Who.
Enlightenment - I don't know why I find Davison's dash to get rid of the bits of crystal so thrilling. Especially as the Eternals could have just THOUGHT the bomb overboard.
Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead - Tennant is just on fire when it comes to the running and jumping.
Castrovalva - Those are some SERIOUSLY fabulous corridors.
Boom Town - Mickey-the-idiot gives us our funniest corridor action EVER.
Planet of the Daleks - I KNOW it's not original. I DON'T CARE. There's just something so quintessentially Whoish about running away from Daleks.
Empty Child/Doctor Dances - Nine, Rose and Captain Jack running together from gasmasked zombies is just so...right.
Silence in the Library/Forest of the Dead - Tennant is just on fire when it comes to the running and jumping.
And diving! Don't forget diving!!
Ah yes *rapturous sigh* the diving...of course, I still want to know HOW he didn't smash his skull open at the bottom of that liftshaft...
Presumably the gravity shaft was still functioning, it just does a better job when people use the platform. Or he sonicked it on more before he reached the bottom.
It may even be simpler. There could be a safety system at the bottom of the shaft, to prevent people dying in case of power failure or other malfunctions.
Top Ten Non-Regulars Who Should Have Become Companions:
Harriet Jones MP For Flydale North/Prime Minister/Former Prime Minister: Even the Daleks knew who she was *sob*.
Madame Vastra: Why did I never realise before I met her that the Doctor NEEDED a Victorian Lesbian Silurian Detective Companion!
Strax: Why did I never realise before I met him that the Doctor NEEDED a Sontaran who could produce magnificent quantities of lactic fluid!
Dr Constantine: The universe isn't ready to get by without him yet. And NEITHER AM I.
Margaret Blon Fel-Fotch Passameer-Day Slitheen: One date with the Doctor was simply not enough.
Amelia Rumford: She was blatantly BORN to be a Companion. It must have been sheer ageism that prevented this. We should sue.
Thomas Kincaid Brannigan: I know he's married. And homophobic. And godbothering. But I still WANT TO HAVE HIS BABIES. And I wouldn't say THAT about any other being in the cosmos, even the Doctor.
Jago n'Lightfoot: Yes of course they count as one character! No one would be insane enough to split 'em up! Except that moron who wrote The Bodysnatchers, of course.
Gibbis: Turlough done RIGHT. And amusingly.
Duggan: 'Nuff said.
I was vaguely thinking of compiling a Top Ten Worst Actors list, but hadn't got much further than putting 'Neska' in most of the slots when someone else got there first, and very amusingly:
http://thefancan.com/fancandy/features/whofeatures/patrol.html
Did Emily write this article? To be fair, it seems a little polite for Emily....
"In what can only be described as "doing a Paul Darrow," by sending up both role and script in an overblown, magnified display of exaggerated theatrics, Briers doesn't even have the good grace to be entertaining."
To be fair though, it's no worse than a lot of the other performances in the same story.
"Singling out something especially awful about Timelash might be the televisual equivalent of sifting through your own poo for a particularly pungent nugget"
Never has Timelash been more accurately described...
"his motivation appears to be a creepy uncle whose knee-bouncing of children at family occasions was often cut hastily short due to matters that nobody ever dared address or, more pressingly, tell the Police about"
Hmmmm... a tad harsh...
"Jenny Tomasin is not so much out of her depth here as drowned, retrieved and buried barely before the opening credits had even rolled"
Ouch- but oh so true.
"Sucking what little atmosphere the adventure has straight into the vacuum of space, they're about as charismatic as a pair of permanent markers, and just as indelible to erase from your memory."
So mean- those poor kids couldn't help their speech impediment, bad haircut and general talentless-ness. So let's lay tghe blame at their parents...
As for neska- well I can't say she stood out for me as particularly bad- but again, we ARE talking Planet of The Spiders here where we wait 5 and a half smegging episodes to get any semblance of decent acting (or decent story)
If someone made Baker sit down and watch, say, the emotional gauntlet run by Matt Smith in The Big Bang, he would see that Doctor Who is very much an acting part.
Oh, I so totally agree with that.
Rodney quoted:"Singling out something especially awful about Timelash might be the televisual equivalent of sifting through your own poo for a particularly pungent nugget"
Hey, what Emily does in her own time is her business--although it might help explain the whole cat thing.
Did Emily write this article? To be fair, it seems a little polite for Emily....
Sadly not - I never noticed the neon logo missing bit thing. In fact, having perused the example considerately provided, I STILL don't know what they're talking about.
I wish we could vote for comments we particularly like. JEP's last one was priceless.
Top Ten List Of Things For Russell T God Not To Do, All With The Benefit Of Hindsight And To Be Sent Back In Time In A Bottle As Soon As I've Worked Out How:
Let Eccy get away after one year
Have Boak as a director
Introduce Martha Jones (or ANYONE in lurve with the Doctor AGAIN) instead of carrying straight on with Donna Noble for MANY GLORIOUS YEARS
Commission Helen Raynor
Or Chris Chibnall
Or Mark Gatiss, post-Unquiet Dead
Call The Sarah Jane Adventures The Sarah Jane Adventures
Take Torchwood to America
Let Tennant get away after three-and-a-half years
Claim that every single action we take creates another universe
Claim that every single action we take creates another universe
To be fair, he's not the one claiming that. It's one of the possible interpretations of quantum mechanics, and not even the weirdest one.
Love this article. I suspect Emily will need to visit a chiropractor from nodding her head too vigorously through this one...
None of the New Who episodes made the list. That's good.
Claim that every single action we take creates another universe
To be fair, he's not the one claiming that. It's one of the possible interpretations of quantum mechanics, and not even the weirdest one.
And I'm not denying I got a bit of a chill when I heard that REAL LIVE SCIENTISTS were actually SERIOUSLY SUGGESTING this, but at the end of the day...they're only quantum mechanics. I don't have to take them SERIOUSLY. Whereas THE TENTH DOCTOR solemnly assuring me (well, Rose and Mickey) that every single gesture we make creates a new universe renders my life, and more to the point, Doctor Who, rather meaningless. Why should I CARE if the Doctor falls on the fields of Trenzalore, or if the entire universe gets blown up, when all I have to do is scratch my nose to replace them? Plus there must be zillions of universes out there where Eccy is still the Doctor and I WANT THEM.
Love this article. I suspect Emily will need to visit a chiropractor from nodding her head too vigorously through this one...
AND from the whiplash when I suddenly switched from vigorous nodding in vigorous shaking when it started claiming that the MOVIE of Dalek Invasion of Earth is 1,678,967 times better than THE REAL THING.
Commission...Mark Gatiss, post-Unquiet Dead
I take it all back. Crimson Horror is worth ANYTHING, even Night Terrors.
Top Ten Facial Expressions:
The SNEER on Strax's face when asked whose idea it was to make him become a nurse.
Hartnell after accidentally getting engaged to Cameca.
Mickey and Tennant when Jackie tells alt-Pete 'There's never been anyone else.'
The widest grin in the world as Rose runs in slow-motion towards that TARDIS.
Matt looking a thousand years old when about to fly the Pandorica into an exploding TARDIS.
Tennant soaking wet in the TARDIS after losing Rose AND Donna.
Pertwee watching Jo get engaged.
Sarah Jane catching sight of the TARDIS, backing away, catching sight of Tennant.
Eccy in Parting of the Ways after he sends Rose away.
Eccy when he's that hologram.
Eccy deciding to be brave when he realies he's going to regenerate...
Sorry, that's eleven. What the hell.
WORST Facial Expressions:
Troughton lusting after Astrid.
Davison lusting after Susan (weird DVD extended version of Five Docs).
Yates checking out the Master/phone technician's bottom.
Yates checking out the Master/phone technician's bottom
No, I think that's topped by the photoshopped photo of Yates and Sara Kingdom in The Day of the Doctor where Yates looks as though he's lusting after the uniform she's wearing - I'd bet he'd look fetching in it - rather than Sara herself.
I didn't notice that - too busy goggling in disbelief at the fact there WAS a photo of Yates and Sara.
As I'm gradually clawing my way towards the end of Miracle Day I am, for some reason, inspired to reflect on the Top Ten Stupidest Plans To Conquer Planet Earth Ever:
Miracle Day. You secretly control Earth's media, finance and politics. But that isn't enough for you - you come up with a BRILLIANT PLAN to inflict a geriatric pain-filled destitute eternity on the whole of humanity, yourselves included, in order to grab a bit more behind-the-scenes power. (Admittedly there was some talk about this only being Phase One, but I'll believe Phase Two when I see it. Which will be never.)
Wheel in Space. You send a star nova in order that meteorites will bombard the Wheel, so that the Wheelers'll need to use their laser, so that they'll need Bernalium, so you send cybermats to destroy the Wheel's supply of Bernalium, and hijack a rocket and send it tens of millions of miles off-course with Bernalium on board, so the Wheelers'll go over to the rocket to see if it's got any, and be hypnotised into bringing it back to the Wheel in a crate with you hidden inside, so that you can invade Earth for no readily apparent reason.
All I can say is, it's REALLY LUCKY that a mysterious traveller in space and time turned up on the rocket at the last minute and prevented the Wheelers blowing it sky-high...
Spearhead From Space/Auton Invasion/Rose: Look, LOVELY invasions of Britain, no question about it, but...WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE PLANET?
Tenth Planet: Steer your planet impossibly across space, and park it next to Earth to absorb so much energy it explodes. I do love a nice simple plan, but I have the feeling there's some sort of flaw I just can't put my finger on...
The Daleks Masterplan. You rule a galaxy. Said galaxy's most infamous killing machines tell you that if you spend fifty years digging up taranium with your bare hands (I may possibly be exaggerating about the bare hands), they'll let you, um, rule your own galaxy in alliance with them. At which point, Mavic Chen should probably have given them a polite 'No thank you.'
The Dalek Invasion of Earth. Most successful invasion EVER. Ten years, TEN GLORIOUS YEARS. Entire CONTINENTS wiped out. Lots of lovely digging. Lots of chanting 'We are the masters of Earth'. And then you just had to go and spoil it all by hollowing out the Earth's core so you could pilot it round the galaxy, didn't you, you metal morons.
Fury from the Deep. Sorry, remind me what the seaweed was, y'know, DOING.
Terror of the Zygons. Sending a suspiciously paper-mache-looking monster to attack an energy conference is SO not gonna result in Planet Earth surrendering to, um, all four of you.
Android Invasion. Look, if you want to wipe out all humanity with a virus, fair play to you. Just don't mess around with fake-villages and ginger-pop and eyepatches FIRST.
Power of Three. I've nothing against scanning humanity to discover its weaknesses. Lying around for a year first, though, is just LAZY.
Honourable mentions:
Web of Fear. Contrary to the claims of the Doctor's lunchbox, the London Underground is not a major strategic weakness.
King's Demons: OK, so once you've stopped the Magna Carta being signed...?
The Snowmen. If you're so pathetic a few sobbing rug-rats do you in, DON'T come and have a go if you think you're hard enough.
(Admittedly there was some talk about this only being Phase One, but I'll believe Phase Two when I see it. Which will be never.)
Some of us were wise enough to skip Phase One.
Spearhead From Space/Auton Invasion/Rose: Look, LOVELY invasions of Britain, no question about it, but...WHAT ABOUT THE REST OF THE PLANET?
Invasion of the Bane is probably the worst offender, it being the only Whoniverse invasion limited by a localised marketing strategy. (Terror of the Autons also counts but the Master devised that one and it's wicked to mock the afflicted.)
At which point, Mavic Chen should probably have given them a polite 'No thank you.'
Chen is plotting to betray the Daleks and take over as sole ruler of the universe, which should win him points for chutzpah.
Terror of the Zygons. Sending a suspiciously paper-mache-looking monster to attack an energy conference is SO not gonna result in Planet Earth surrendering to, um, all four of you.
The Zygons have an excellent and credible plan to take over the world by melting the polar icecaps (in fact they can probably just sit back and let the humans do that all by themselves). And it will work perfectly so long as they don't draw any kind of attention to themselves by, say, sending a giant glove puppet to attack London...*
(* To be fair, this makes better television than watching men in rubber suits waiting patiently for centuries. All right, slightly better television.)
You also miss out the stupidest invasion of all time: The Stolen Earth/Journey's End.
King's Demons: OK, so once you've stopped the Magna Carta being signed...?
Did she die in vain?!!!
Some of us were wise enough to skip Phase One.
Owing to its self-inflicted uncanonicity (the fact it's rubbish has nothing to do with anything) a failure to watch Torchwood: Miracle Day might JUST be forgivable...IF this undeserved blessing (no pun intended) wasn't constantly thrown in one's face...
Invasion of the Bane is probably the worst offender, it being the only Whoniverse invasion limited by a localised marketing strategy.
I have a feeling they were thinking about marketing strategies for other countries. And were just panicked into prematurely taking over Britain by Herself and her rug-rats. Of course my memory's not the best so my feeling might be getting their plans-for-the-2%-who-are-immune confused with plans-for-planetary-domination.
(Terror of the Autons also counts but the Master devised that one and it's wicked to mock the afflicted.)
Sorry, 'Terror's what I meant when I said 'Auton Invasion'. ANY Auton invasion of Earth, basically. (On-screen, anyway. Though I can't imagine BBV videos or Gary Russell novels are any more...comprehensive.)
Chen is plotting to betray the Daleks and take over as sole ruler of the universe, which should win him points for chutzpah.
Ah!
I really should relisten, only - thanks, Omnirumour - I'm waiting for the real thing. Albeit with decreasing confidence and increasing suicidal inclinations.
Did he mention HOW he's planning on taking over the universe, by any chance...?
The Zygons have an excellent and credible plan to take over the world by melting the polar icecaps
Ooh!
Really?
God, I'm DYING for the Zygons DVD - WITH EXTRA SCENE!!! - I'm just not dying for it ENOUGH to cough up eleven quid.
And it will work perfectly so long as they don't draw any kind of attention to themselves by, say, sending a giant glove puppet to attack London...
Ah.
(And that was a very deep, long-drawn-out, Tom Baker-y kind of 'Ah'.)
(*To be fair, this makes better television than watching men in rubber suits waiting patiently for centuries. All right, slightly better television.)
I'm FAIRLY SURE most alien invaders don't know they're on TV.
Of course, maybe they do - maybe THAT'S why they're invading this godforsaken rock, for their fifteen minutes of fame - and that's why we never see 'em pick their noses or anything.
You also miss out the stupidest invasion of all time: The Stolen Earth/Journey's End.
THAT was the most UNDERSTANDABLE invasion of 'em all. Once you realise that kidnapping Earth is necessary to destroy the universe, you've GOT to treat yourself to TEN GLORIOUS MINUTES successfully invading it first. You've bloody GOT to. To wipe out the shameful memories of your dozens of past defeats, and to warm the cockles of your Daleky hearts during the really, really, really boring eternity that you'll spend sitting around with no one to exterminate once Davros has destroyed every universe ever.
Chen is plotting to betray the Daleks and take over as sole ruler of the universe, which should win him points for chutzpah.
I think the only thing that plan would earn him is a Darwin award
Maybe Mavic Chen could emulate a certain Mel Lastman - "Me so solly, Dalek-eee"
I really should relisten, only - thanks, Omnirumour - I'm waiting for the real thing.
Isn't The Daleks' Master Plan the one story that the Omnirumour says hasn't been found?
Did he mention HOW he's planning on taking over the universe, by any chance...?
He has a secret force on Venus ready to attack Kembel as soon as he gets hold of the Time Destructor. (I'm not saying it's a good plan, but at least he had one.)
Isn't The Daleks' Master Plan the one story that the Omnirumour says hasn't been found?
The more trustworthy purveyors of Omnirumour goodness suggest that several-but-not-all Masterplan episodes have been recovered. (Though I seem to remember 11 and 12 are stuck together, or something.) Versions of the Omnirumour, however, have mentioned each and every episode of Who being recovered, up to and including Feast of Steven and Planet of Giants episode 4...
He has a secret force on Venus ready to attack Kembel as soon as he gets hold of the Time Destructor.
RESPECT. (Both to Mavic Chen for actually having something vaguely resembling a plan, and you for REMEMBERING all this stuff.)
DWM #474 has the results of the First 50 Years of Doctor Who survey and the top ten stories from this survey are the following:
http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/the-top-stories-doctors-according-to-dwm-2014-63506.htm
1. The Day of the Doctor (92.06%)
2. Blink (91.87%)
3. Genesis of the Daleks (91.60%)
4. The Caves of Androzani (90.60%)
5. City of Death (90.30%)
6. The Talons of Weng-Chiang (90.15%)
7. The Empty Child/The Doctor Dances (89.48%)
8. Pyramids of Mars (88.26%)
9. Human Nature/The Family of Blood (87.90%)
10. Remembrance of the Daleks (87.88%)
This site also published the results of the bottom ten stories from the survey and favourite Doctors.
Day of the Doctor?! Come OFF it!
Hmmmm.... I suspect the placement of DoTD is purely because fans were, mostly (Kate and Judi notwithstanding) pleasantly surprised the episode was nowhere near as dire as everyone (myself included) thought it would be.
But really? Talons?? The one with the giant rat puppet and ludicrous ending??
Well, it was made nearly forty years ago.
Talons is an all-time classic! Perfect in every respect...alright, in every respect not related to a certain Rat...why the hell haven't they produced a DVD where it can be replaced with a slightly more convincing giant rodent...?
I love how he puts Capaldi's perceived lackluster tenure as the Doctor squarely on Moffat's head.
Yeah, it wasn't actually bad - had most of the Docs (bar Colin Baker, obviously) in slightly the wrong place, but you could certainly see where he's coming from. Give or take 'Caves of Androzari [sic]', thinking that Colin was hiatused after four episodes, claiming that Davison is WHOLLY inoffensive (he unravelled the Sacred Scarf!) AND better than our McDoctors (he SO is not!). I'll even forgive Eccy being at Number Four as it's quite clearly the result of a broken and unforgiving heart.
Well, he got #1 right, at least insofar as I could with either T.Baker or Eccleston for that position. Smith and Tennant were a bit high for me but not outrageously so. Overall, fixing his list is mostly a matter of moving a few Doctors up and down a few positions, not a drastic reordering.
I would have have put Troughton a little higher but like Kevin said, just a bit of minor shuffling needed.
Discussion fodder.
https://www.cbr.com/worst-things-doctor-who-has-done/amp/
What? Causing the destruction of half the universe didn't make the cut? O.o
The New Year's special "Resolution" finally acknowledged The Doctor's darker side
Actually it was Battle of Thingy Thingy Thingy that faced up to the Doctor's pacifist problems head-on (unfortunately necessitating Our Heroes standing around for several minutes of hypocritical waffle that didn't actually clarify anything but that's not the POINT).
The show itself made fun of how ridiculously mean this was during Clara's departure.
It DID?
Four 40 years, it sure seemed like he'd forgotten her. She was convinced he'd died until they ended up meeting up again in the 10th Doctor episode "School Reunion."
For (not four) thirty years, and given that Sarah assumed he was on that Sycorax spaceship she was hardly CONVINCED that he'd died.
Doctor Who's initial cancelation in 1989
What the •••• d'you MEAN, INITIAL CANCELLATION!!
taking her back in time to meet her hated mother as a baby
Blimey, it never occurred to me that that might have been DELIBERATE...
wiping out a species with completely sympathetic motivations might just be the worst thing The Doctor's ever done
What, the VERVOIDS?!
As much as I love Sarah, her 'Did I do something wrong?' never quite gelled with me. She wanted to leave, even if it was a hissy-fit, the Doctor explained he couldn't take her to Gallifrey (stupid rule soon overturned, further highlighting its stupidity), and they had one of the more touching goodbye scenes of the classic era. Then he even comes back to drop off a gift although he misses her. Plus she's one of a select handful to meet three or four of him again, and not even as an illusion of the mind. She's even done extensive research on former companions back on Earth, so she should probably know she's had one of the best runs of them all.
I love RTG, and admittedly even more in hindsight, but that exchange just never worked.
Don't be too dismissive of the Vervoid issue being number 1. It's possible that very act caused Trial to be inflicted on us, so its place at the top of a 20 worst things the Doctor has done is secure.
Don't be too dismissive of the Vervoid issue being number 1. It's possible that very act caused Trial to be inflicted on us, so its place at the top of a 20 worst things the Doctor has done is secure.
Were that so it would indeed be a crime against humanity but frankly everyone seemed very much taken by surprise when that gibbering imbecile the Doctor wheeled out his genocide-story in his DEFENCE...
what is everyone's favourite/least favourite cliffhangers?
As of tonight I think Who has a new Best Ever Cliffhanger...
Better than the Master walking down some stairs?
It's very unfair to use THAT when Five Docs wasn't SUPPOSED to have cliffhangers.
Plus, if it was the O Master walking down those stairs it would be the scariest thing ever...
But it was in fact the Ainley Master and his musical feet.
His WHAT?
The incidental music is in time with his footsteps as he walks down the stairs.
Awww, BLESS!