Better make this one last, this is his final regeneration.
According to the original series he can regenerate 12 times, giving him 13 lives.
But we now know he's already had 12 incarnations, the eleven we knew about and the surprise John Hurt one. That means he only has one more to go, unless he acquired, or will acquire, extra ones at some point.
He said he had 507 regenerations in SJA: Death of the Doctor and It Must Be True.
Anyone else getting a guilty thrill when thinking of TWELVE DOCTORS! TWELVE DOCTORS, PEOPLE! I've barely STARTED, let alone finished, mourning Matt Smith, but...for SO LONG I thought Who would die with a mere SEVEN Doctors...
He said he had 507 regenerations in SJA: Death of the Doctor and It Must Be True.
Rule number 1: The Doctor lies.
He used a regeneration in Journey's End when he used the regeneration energy to heal himself, but channeled the rest of the energy into his severed hand. So with the inclusion of the Hurt Doc, he should be on his last regeneration.
Moffat once said he preferred older actors to play the Doctor, though he then went to cast the youngest actor to ever play him. I really wanted to see an older actor myself, although I quite like Smith's characterisation. I just wonder if having John Hurt play the non-Doctor Doctor just before the regeneration story will hurt the chances of having an older Twelfth.
60 hour weeks in a Cardiff winter would kill Hartnell, RTD said. That's why there won't be a 50+ Doctor
There are 50 year old actors who could run circles around Matt Smith and not break a sweat. And if they are worried about Cardiff winters, then get someone from Canada
Russell just turned 50 on April 27, so I guess he might want to retract that statement, or else everone will think he's a broken down old man.
River gave her regenerations to save him. She still had 10 left, so fingers crossed.
We know that Time Lords can gain extra ones.
We certainly do! And once the Doc's starting to use up River's allocation of lives...surely he's MUCH more likely to become a she?
I wonder how River would react to that.
She's a fifty-first century kinda gal who dates Autons and Androids. She'd be JUST FINE about it.
She'd be JUST FINE about it
Not if he turned into a fire cracker gal like Catherine Tate.
Oh-kay. Is THIS...y'know...TRUE?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/celebritynews/10108234/BBC-asks-James-Bond-star-to-be-its-new-Doctor-Who.html
(Haven't actually READ it yet. Just rushed onto Nitcentral with it...)
Could be a red herring. He himself speculates that he may simply be used as a decoy. This early in the process, I tend to lean in that direction too. Time will tell.
AUGUST or SEPTEMBER before we find out who she-or-he is??
http://www.independent.co.uk/arts-entertainment/tv/news/whovians-may-have-to-wait-until-september-for-matt-smiths-doctor-who-successor-to-be-announced-8668181.html
But I need to know NOW!
So. The Kinnear bloke has swanned off to some lesser programme, and the-bloke-who-shot-both-daughters-through-the-skull is now at 2-1.
Actually I suspect that Peter Capaldi would make an excellent Doctor (I mean, it's not really HIS fault he's not a woman), if only he hadn't...y'know...shot both daughters through the skull.
Ohgodohgodohgods:
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://metro.co.uk/2013/08/01/new-doctor-the-next-doctor-who-lead-actor-to-be-unveiled-this-sunday-on-bbc-one-3908220/
'The decision is made and the time has come to reveal who's taking over the TARDIS. For the last of the Time Lords, the clock is striking twelve.'
Doesn't say how to get the simulcast.
August 4!!!!!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/doctorwho/articles/The-Next-Doctor-will-be-revealed-on-Sunday-04-August
This will be the Best. Birthday present. EVER!
See, when Eccleston left it took me three or four eps before I warmed up to Tennant, and I thought there was no way I'd accept the 11th Doctor after that. Matt Smith won me over in the first episode with amazing delivery of that great line, "Hello. I'm the Doctor. Basically…run."
So I know I'm going to like the 12th Doctor no matter what I think on Sunday.
And when it's revealed to be William Shatner, Emily will be through the roof. ;-)
Poochie is the new Doctor!
"Actually I suspect that Peter Capaldi would make an excellent Doctor (I mean, it's not really HIS fault he's not a woman), if only he hadn't...y'know...shot both daughters through the skull."
There really wasn't much point saving him from Pompeii was there?
Sean Bean would be awesome. He'd scare the poo out of the Daleks for sure.
Actually Liam Neeson would be awesome, and he clearly can do comedy as well as action stuff.
See, when Eccleston left it took me three or four eps before I warmed up to Tennant
THREE OR FOUR EPS!!!
I'll be mourning Eccy till my dying day, but I didn't wait any longer than 'Did you miss me?' to fall in love with TennantDoc...
Matt Smith won me over in the first episode with amazing delivery of that great line, "Hello. I'm the Doctor. Basically…run."
*Looks mortally offended* What's wrong with The Food Scene?
So I know I'm going to like the 12th Doctor no matter what I think on Sunday.
Yeah, it's difficult to think of NEW Who going wrong with the Doctor, but, let's face it, Moffat has gone wrong with quite a few other things. And it's not as if Doctor-casting is infallible. It took till Caves of Androzani (and I mean the LAST FIFTEEN SECONDS of Caves of Androzani) before I warmed to Davison, and it'll take a full personality transplant (for BOTH of us) before I warm to Colin...
There really wasn't much point saving him from Pompeii was there?
Of course there was! Just look at the wonderful shrine to the Household Gods he made...
Like the recent event where a woman gave birth in a similar manner to how women have been given birth since before human history even started, my interest in this is exponentially inversely proportional to the level of hype it's being given.
Can't we go back to 15 seconds on the news for the announcement with a short clip of the newspaper's photo shoot in the Tardis' doors, rather than some ludicrous "Tardis Factor" reality show?
Or even better, lock the scripts away until the last possible moment, lock the studio down when you come to film it, and make sure that when you film the regeneration scene, there's only the absolute minimum people present that you can trust to keep the secret.
I hope it will be none of the above and it will be a complete surprise and everyone will go "uh!?" and then will applaude.
Rodney... Re: Sean Bean.... Here ya go.
Just in case ANYBODY on this board questions my dedication to Who- I will be getting up at 3.30 AM to watch the announcement live! All the lucky Emily's of the world can have a normal day and comfortably watch the special at the end of the day at a DECENT hour but oh no....not me.
my interest in this is exponentially inversely proportional to the level of hype it's being given.
I wouldn't say a half-hour programme is THAT much hype for The Most Important News In The History Of The Universe. Time was, we had MILLIONS of such factual programmes - Confidential, Totally Doctor Who, Torchwood Declassified, Sarah Jane's Alien Files - all of which we're now robbed of.
Can't we go back to 15 seconds on the news for the announcement with a short clip of the newspaper's photo shoot in the Tardis' doors, rather than some ludicrous "Tardis Factor" reality show?
OK, I'm not saying the build-up won't be SERIOUSLY annoying. Who wants to see Peter Davison and Bonnie Langford giving advise? WE JUST WANT TO KNOW WHO SHE IS!!!
Or even better, lock the scripts away until the last possible moment, lock the studio down when you come to film it, and make sure that when you film the regeneration scene, there's only the absolute minimum people present that you can trust to keep the secret.
IF ONLY.
Just in case ANYBODY on this board questions my dedication to Who- I will be getting up at 3.30 AM to watch the announcement live! All the lucky Emily's of the world can have a normal day and comfortably watch the special at the end of the day at a DECENT hour but oh no....not me.
Wow. That's impressive.
Though of course it's all your fault for moving away from London.
Just in case ANYBODY on this board questions my dedication to Who- I will be getting up at 3.30 AM to watch the announcement live
Good for you. I shall miss the live announcement as I feel I will benefit from the usual sleep rather than deliberately waking up early to discover a piece of news that means I can then go back to sleep either happy or slightly aggrieved with the choice.
I'm sure the presence of Bonnie Langford will have most of the audience going "just make sure the Doctor's not a ginger".
Well, I'm not gonna try to have you burnt at the stake for blasphemy. In a way, you'll find out QUICKER than Rodney and the rest of us - YOU won't have to sit through half-an-hour of drivel first.
Just in case ANYBODY on this board questions my dedication to Who- I will be getting up at 3.30 AM to watch the announcement live
Rodney, where do you live that 7PM GMT is 3:30AM your time?
*Looks mortally offended* What's wrong with The Food Scene?
Emily, I will answer your question under the 11th Doctor board, as I don't want to clog the 12th Doctor's board with discussions about her (?) predecessor…
New Doctor Who IS a man, photographer Rankin reveals.
Fashion photographer tweets: 'Just photographed the next Dr Who for tonight's announcement... He's going to be an ace Dr'
http://tinyurl.com/qaryaeg
What!
Bloody hell, couldn't the idiot photographer have kept his gob shut and given me a FEW more hours of hope...???
I'm sure they'll cast a woman someday. maybe the 507th Doctor?
"Bloody hell, couldn't the idiot photographer have kept his gob shut and given me a FEW more hours of hope...???"
Jaye Davidson IS the Doctor!
CAPALDI!
Interesting...
Yeah. He'll do.
And just to clarify: that was said in pretty smug and contented tones.
Obviously the beard's gotta go (my GOD some of the pictures I've been looking at over the last few days...) and the Scottish accent's gotta stay (I'm STILL incensed that Tennant was ROBBED of it). And we've all gotta reread that About Time article about why so many people in the Whoniverse look alike (someone remind me what volume it's in...).
Fun fact! Peter Capaldi is the only Doctor to have won an Oscar. (Though John Hurt has been nominated twice, of course.)
I think the beard is because he's been playing Cardinal Richelieu in 'The Three Musketeers'.
Fun Fact 2! Capaldi is 55 years old - the same age as William Hartnell when he was cast as the Doctor.
Capaldi is 55 years old - the same age as William Hartnell when he was cast as the Doctor.
Not necessarily a ringing endorsement. And here I was complaining about our string of baby Doctors, but while I like Capaldi (what little I know of him), he is getting on a bit.
At least I don't know him so I won't have to struggle though the Davison baggage. His one episode as a marble merchant will be easy enough to gloss over, and he showed a lot of comic range in that role. Comic, without being silly (Sylvester, are you paying attention?).
"At least I don't know him so I won't have to struggle though the Davison baggage."
Don't ever look up Malcolm Tucker or you'll have a big load of baggage to struggle with.
Capaldi was also in Miracle Day, according to IMDB.
As to the whole "this is the last regeneration" thing... Is the 12 regenerations innate, or was it some kind of rule enforced by the Time Lords? And since they're not around anymore (mostly), maybe the Moff will use that as a loophole?
Note the author of the fifth letter from back in 1973: http://www.radiotimes.com/uploads/images/original/34582.jpeg
I wonder if he remembers writing that.
"I wonder if he remembers writing that."
Since it was shown on a live TV broadcast for which he was present about 4 hours ago, I'm guessing that the answer is "yes".
Capaldi is 55 years old - the same age as William Hartnell when he was cast as the Doctor.
Ridiculous!
Capaldi was also in Miracle Day, according to IMDB.
No, he was in Children of Earth. Miracle Day wouldn't have mattered so much cos a) no one was watching and b) it can't possibly have been canon (people better at dates than me worked out the Miracle would have been occurring during Impossible Astronaut, for heaven's sake). Children of Earth clearly IS canon - it's the reason Captain Jack ended up looking thoroughly miserable in an intergalactic bar in End of Time. Ergo, a bloke looking (and presumably sounding) EXACTLY like our beloved new Doctor -
SPOILERS FOR CHILDREN OF EARTH AS YOU PHILISTINES HAVE TO WATCH IT NOW:
- blew up Torchwood and blew his own daughters' and wife's brains out.
As if the name Frobisher wasn't distracting enough in Torchwood: CoE. Now he's the new Commander Maxil. To say nothing of Fires of Pompeii.
Fun fact 3! After all the press speculation about Benedict Cumberbatch, it's quite amusing to end up with the other actor to have played the Angel Islington.
Since it was shown on a live TV broadcast for which he was present about 4 hours ago, I'm guessing that the answer is "yes".
Ok, slight rephrasing. I wonder if he remembered writing that PRIOR to it being shown on that TV broadcast.
And I could not watch that broadcast, BBC America did not show it in Canada, and BBC Canada did not show it at all. It will probably be on YouTube soon, if it's not already, so I'll catch it there.
people better at dates than me worked out the Miracle would have been occurring during Impossible Astronaut, for heaven's sake
Well, there you go. That explains why the Doctor did not intervene, he had more important things to deal with.
Not so long ago I had seen Capaldi in the movie World War Z in which he played a doctor at a W.H.O. research facility and this is what I said in forums about his appearance in this movie:
“Somewhat fitting to the fact that he had been a Doctor Who guest star in The Fires of Pompeii. Even though the WHO is something completely different, it was very tempting to think of Capaldi ‘s character in World War Z of being like the Doctor just with the way his character is credited alone.”
Had no idea how prophetic these words would become.
It seems that the Eleventh Doctor will be thinking about Caecilus when deciding what form his twelfth body will take.
It will be interesting to see whether Captain Jack will meet the Twelfth Doctor just to see if he would recognise his face as that of John Frobisher.
I think this is awesome news. Capaldi will bring some gravitas and depth to the character rather than the flamboyance of Tennant and Smith. I just hope that the scripts will equal the actor and not be a lot of speed written nonsense. It will be REALLY interesting to see the dynamic between him and Clara as well. She could be his daughter for crying out loud!
BTW- I never saw "In The Thick Of It" but I adored him in both Pompeii and Children of Earth. I may just watch the latter because I think that season was one of the greatest things to come out of the RTD era if not all of British Television*
*ok ok SLIGHT exaggeration....
I'm very pleased too. I've wanted an older Doctor since Davison's time. (Of course, at that time I really thought 55 was old...)
The world feels just a little more normal now that the actor playing the Doctor is back to being older than me.
Random thought. Peter Capaldi is the mother of all red herrings, and the true (most secret) successor to Matt Smith will be revealed when the Doctor regenerates at the end of the Xmas special.
Random thought. I wonder if they considered giving the role to Toby Jones. Since this will be the thirteenth incarnation of the Doctor, and we already met that incarnation in the person of the Valeyard, he would have been a natural choice.
Yes Emily, I know, "Stop having random thoughts!"
I'm loving the various posters around the internet of Capaldi in his role as the Angel Islington in an old version of Neverwhere, captioned "The Angel has the phone box"!
And finally a Doctor (at least in the new series) who's older than me!!
Don't ever ••••••• look up ••••••• Malcolm ••••••• Tucker or you'll have a big ••••••• load of ••••••• baggage to ••••••• struggle with.
There's a delightful thing on YouTube
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Blf073f2Lc
that Mandy should avoid at all costs.
Is the 12 regenerations innate, or was it some kind of rule enforced by the Time Lords? And since they're not around anymore (mostly), maybe the Moff will use that as a loophole?
He could use THAT, or River Song's donated regenerations, or the fact the Time Lords could offer a new regeneration cycle as far back as Five Docs...The Moff is spoilt for choice, that is, assuming he bothers to give us an explanation at all - unlike, say, WHO THE **** croaked 'Silence Will Fall' while blowing up the TARDIS...
As if the name Frobisher wasn't distracting enough in Torchwood: CoE.
Oh god. I'd forgotten the name. Our Doctor-to-be is identical to a child-murdering civil servant named after his Penguin ex-comics-Companion.
It's never boring, being a Fan.
Now he's the new Commander Maxil.
Oh, this is in a completely different LEAGUE from Maxil. HE merely stunned Davison and, let's face it, who HASN'T wanted to wipe the bland blond smile off the bland blond face of the cricketing obsessive who actually thought he could replace TOM BAKER. Leaving your OWN KIDS' brains splattered across their bedroom floor, however...even I can see that's a bit of a no-no.
Plus it made more sense for two Time Lords to look alike. War Games did kinda imply they had some template body-prints in storage, or something.
To say nothing of Fires of Pompeii.
Ah yes. The first Doctor to previously have LITERALLY worshipped the Doctor as a god.
people better at dates than me worked out the Miracle would have been occurring during Impossible Astronaut, for heaven's sake
Well, there you go. That explains why the Doctor did not intervene, he had more important things to deal with.
His friends, however, thought they were just enjoying a nice picnic so quite why none of them thought to mention that human civilisation was collapsing due to the abolition of death is anyone's guess.
It will be interesting to see whether Captain Jack will meet the Twelfth Doctor just to see if he would recognise his face as that of John Frobisher.
I'm just hoping our Captain pops up before then. An Eleventh Doctor who hasn't met Captain Jack, the Brigadier, OR the Master barely qualifies as a Doctor at all...
Capaldi will bring some gravitas and depth to the character rather than the flamboyance of Tennant and Smith.
They had gravitas and depth AND flamboyance.
I just hope that the scripts will equal the actor and not be a lot of speed written nonsense.
God knows Moffat's had enough TIME to write a few decent scripts.
It will be REALLY interesting to see the dynamic between him and Clara as well. She could be his daughter for crying out loud!
One can only HOPE he'll stop discussing the tightness of her skirt and flicking her across the bottom with tea-towels. In fact, with River tragically dead, Rose all but forgotten, and Captain Jack (if he appears) likely to be put off by the resemblance to John Frobisher, one can but hope for a return to the asexual hero of yore.
Random thought. Peter Capaldi is the mother of all red herrings, and the true (most secret) successor to Matt Smith will be revealed when the Doctor regenerates at the end of the Xmas special.
Surely they'd've chosen someone less...popular if they'd wanted to pull THAT trick on us?
I wonder if they considered giving the role to Toby Jones. Since this will be the thirteenth incarnation of the Doctor, and we already met that incarnation in the person of the Valeyard, he would have been a natural choice.
Yes Emily, I know, "Stop having random thoughts!"
Yes! STOP IT!
It's never boring, being a Fan.
*cough* sixteenlongandbarrenyearsofdespair *cough*
Surely they'd've chosen someone less...popular if they'd wanted to pull THAT trick on us?
I don't know, the more popular the red herring actor, the better the trick would work I'd imagine.
that Mandy should avoid at all costs
*dutifully avoiding*
It's never boring, being a Fan.
*cough* sixteenlongandbarrenyearsofdespair *cough*
There is a difference between boring and despairing. TLABYOD only got boring towards the end, when I was trying to read the novels and watch the black-and-whites on my shiny new video player.
I don't know, the more popular the red herring actor, the better the trick would work I'd imagine.
The TRICK would work, but you'd be left with several million pissed off, cheated people hating the new Doctor's guts.
*dutifully avoiding*
NOW I want to say 'Go on! Watch it! You know you want to!' But I had a friend who hasn't watched Who since Eccy left, not so much because her heart was broken but because she'd seen Tennant being Barty Crouch Junior.
More vague thoughts:
Is there time for him to get a sex-change operation before the filming? Cos then he'd be just PERFECT.
Can you IMAGINE how we'd've felt IF ONLY one of the 'ten in the know' hadn't obviously spilt the secret to loads of friends who promptly rushed off to the bookies' office?
Does the fact he's all Famous and Expensive and a director and suchlike mean he'll do an Eccleston?
Or does the fact he's One Of Us mean he'll last longer than the paltry few years usual for a pathetic wimp of a New Who Doctor? It didn't with Tennant. (And even if he lasted for, say, SIX YEARS...would that give us any more than three-and-a-half seasons?)
Maybe Moffat could lie and tell him the programme will be over after the Doctor's thirteen lives - and that John Hurt is canon - so Capaldi'll HAVE to stay forever.
Is this the most all-round enthusiastic greeting of a new Doctor ever? Even my Not We mother is delighted.
He's Scottish?
At least he won't remind us all of Thumblina unlike a certain height-challenged Seventh Doctor.
Well, McCoy never reminded ME of Thumbelina! And at least HE had the guts to use his Scottish accent, unlike a certain David Tennant...And Troughton was short too, wasn't he? And when we get ourselves a female Doctor she probably won't exactly be towering (unless she's Karen Gillan, obviously).
Not to mention the fact that McCoy maintains his position as the ONLY Doctor not to have a thoroughly boring and common first name...
"And when we get ourselves a female Doctor she probably won't exactly be towering (unless she's Karen Gillan, obviously)."
Or Lily Cole.
"Not to mention the fact that McCoy maintains his position as the ONLY Doctor not to have a thoroughly boring and common first name..."
His real name is 'Percy'
In fact his real full name is :
Percy James Patrick Kent-Smith and his birthday is coming up soon...
August 20, 1943 in Dunoon, Strathclyde, Scotland, UK.
---
"The TRICK would work, but you'd be left with several million pissed off, cheated people hating the new Doctor's guts. "
---
Not to mention the bookmakers who've paid out already, and those who'd bet on the person it actually turns out to be and destroyed what they thought were losing betting slips aiming their vitriol at the production team.
About the only winners would be torches and pitchforks franchisees... ;)
---
"And when we get ourselves a female Doctor she probably won't exactly be towering (unless she's Karen Gillan, obviously)."
Or Lily Cole.
---
I wouldn't have said 5'10" was very tall (and before I checked, I would have put Karen's height about about 5'6"-5'8") - I suppose heels are an option, but not very practical for running up and down corridors.
Or Lily Cole.
We all know it's fine to have a Doctor bearing a suspicious similarity to a previous character.
But a Doctor who'd remind us of Curse of the Black Spot? SO not gonna happen.
In fact his real full name is :
Percy James Patrick Kent-Smith
Please tell me that with Capaldi we DEFINITELY have a majority of Doctors using their REAL NAMES.
I suppose heels are an option, but not very practical for running up and down corridors.
Professor 'Hell in high heels' Song manages OK.
I saw McCoy at a fan meeting day and one b'stard in the audience did the "Does Percy Kent-Smith ever point Percy at the porcelin?" joke
Steve - In fact his real full name is: Percy James Patrick Kent-Smith
Isn't Percy normally a shortening of Percival? (Although frankly naming your son Percival, or Percy, is just the same as asking other kids to beat him up.)
"But a Doctor who'd remind us of Curse of the Black Spot? SO not gonna happen."
So no Hugh Bonneville? Come on, Downton Abbey isn't going to run forever and they've finally started casting Doctors who are legally old enough to have a paper round - he's bound to be in with a chance!
Had they cast Hugh Laurie, TrekGrrl said she would have been glued to the tube for every episode.
This is ridiculous. We haven't got TWO SECONDS' worth of material of him being the Doctor (unless you count clutching his lapels in a pleasingly Hartnell-style manner during his unveiling), but Capaldi has ALREADY got more posts than McGann, McCoy OR Pertwee.
Lovely article about him - in a tabloid rag so they probably made half of it up, but still:
http://www.mirror.co.uk/tv/tv-news/doctor-who-peter-capaldi-no-2129486
I just don't see Hugh Laurie as the Doctor. The Master yes, Rassilon maybe, but not the Doctor.
Hugh Laurie as the Master, only if Stephen Fry plays the Doctor....
"We haven't got TWO SECONDS' worth of material of him being the Doctor (unless you count clutching his lapels in a pleasingly Hartnell-style manner during his unveiling), but Capaldi has ALREADY got more posts than McGann, McCoy OR Pertwee."
To be fair, Nitcentral wasn't around when Pertwee and McCoy were cast, and a half-second shot of Capaldi clutching his lapels means he's had almost as much screen time as McGann...
a half-second shot of Capaldi clutching his lapels means he's had almost as much screen time as McGann...
Ouch.
"The TRICK would work, but you'd be left with several million pissed off, cheated people hating the new Doctor's guts. "
---
Not to mention the bookmakers who've paid out already, and those who'd bet on the person it actually turns out to be and destroyed what they thought were losing betting slips aiming their vitriol at the production team.
Though come to think of it, they could get round the legal problems - and the 'BBC LYING to us' problems that wouldn't do its reputation much good - by having Capaldi be the Doctor for five minutes before tripping over and regenerating into someone else. A la the Jacobi Master. That wouldn't get over the several-million-pissed-off-fans problem, of course...unless...unless...DAVID TENNANT WAS COMING BACK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry, got a bit over-excited there for a moment.
He hasn't appeared yet, but he's already being censored (sort of):
http://www.gigglebeats.co.uk/2013/08/peter-capaldi-fringe-sketch-censored-after-walk-out/
To be fair, giving THAT a 12A rating was a bit ridiculous.
THIS is totally evil. And very funny.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lMr_rO-RVYs
Best Doctor ever!
Still, I wonder why everyone latched on so quickly on the profanity.
Because 1. it's not something you see the Doctor doing and 2. people are childish. *giggle* "He said [BLEEP]!"
Considering all the various "cursing Doctor" jokes I'm worried that we might get a Samuel L. Jackson effect where the show might start adding profanity to meet people's expectations.
But he's just SO GOOD at swearing. It seems a shame not to utilise our new Doctor's greatest skill.
They can always invent some Whoniverse swearwords that aren't actually rude in THIS universe. Admittedly 'crucking' (or was it 'crukking') from the NAs never really took off.
Samuel L. Jackson?
An official trailer introducing the new Doctor. I believe the order in which they appear must now be considered canon.
I don't consider trailers relevant to canon, but it does strongly suggest something they haven't revealed yet.
Or maybe he can just borrow from the first Doctor and tell people to stop buggering him?
Samuel L. Jackson is an actor who had been in a number of movies where his character cursed. When fans heard he was going to be in a movie called Snakes On A Plane (no relation to any Dinosaurs On A Spaceship) some fans created an internet meme of him saying, "I've had it with these [BLEEP]ing snakes on this [BLEEP]ing plane!" It was such a popular meme that the filmmakers added that scene to the movie since so many people were expecting it to appear.
I believe the order in which they appear must now be considered canon.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: the Hurt abomination will be considered a REAL Doctor OVER MY DEAD BODY.
Well as the current Doctor doesn't consider him a real Doctor, your body is probably safe.
**sarcasm mode on** Emily has no idea who Samuel L Jackson is. Surprise, surprise. **sarcasm mode off**
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samuel_L._Jackson
Well as the current Doctor doesn't consider him a real Doctor, your body is probably safe.
It just gives you an uneasy feeling when your life depends on the word of a man who a) lies and b) thinks that bow ties are cool.
Something I find interesting. When Tennant replaced Eccleston, a lot of fans were very opposed to him until they warmed up to his style. It was even worse when Smith replaced Tennant. Someone even made one of those Hitler parodies about that one. But Capaldi seems to have won the fan's hearts the second he was confirmed as the next Doctor.
It might be because we're subconsciously assuming that we're finally getting away from the Pretty-Boy-That-No-Woman-Can-Resist-Because-He's-So-Young-And-Cute phase of the series.
I personally can't picture women falling over themselves to get to Capaldi the way it seemed with Tennant.
I'm just relieved to get a Doctor older than 30 for the first time in a long time! These young dudes were making me feel old!
Yeah, me too. Except for Eccy, all the New Series Doctors have been younger than I am (I was watching Who before Matt Smith was even born).
I guess - like audio companion Charley Pollard - Tim was born the day the Titanic sank...
Not quite THAT old, Judi.
However, I was born the year Star Trek premiered (1966).
Matt Smith was born the year Poltergeist came out. Now if i can just get the image of Matt as Carol Anne Freeling out of my head. Matt in a little girl's frilly blue nightgown would turn anyone's stomach!
Yeah Judi, that last post may as well have been in swahili for that Emily would have understood of it (except for "Matt Smith" of course....)
Well, there is always Wikipedia. Whenever Emily throws out a reference I don't understand, I head over there.
I wonder if the Twelfth Doctor will acknowledge that he now looks like some he met before-- Caecilius of Fires of Pompeii? It's the second time he's resembled someone he's come into contact with-- Commander Maxil of Arc of Infinity.
Doubtful considering he hasn't recognised that at least two of his companions look like someone he has already met and he made no mention of Lexa in 'Meglos' looking a bit familiar.
Although he did manage to pick that Romana was borrowing someone else's appearance.
Yeah Morton Dill and that Pompeii priestless didn't get a mention. I love the theory that Maxil merged with the fifth Doctor and the "regeneration" was just Maxil shedding a disguise.
I love the theory that Maxil merged with the fifth Doctor and the "regeneration" was just Maxil shedding a disguise.
'So he was Maxil all along!'
Me LIKE.
Don't know how official this is. I'd rather see another celery stalk than a scarf, but the background looks like it could well be a new TARDIS interior, which lends weight to this being the new costume.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1455124_220670481445442_1053327148_n.jpg
It's not a new Tardis interior, it's the the interior ot Matt's Tardis, the one he's been using since The Snowmen.
I'm pretty sure Capaldi will be sporting a more Doctorish outfit. After all, he's been a fan at least since he was 15, he's had a lot of time to think about it.
Yeah, THAT scarf would always be a pathetic inferior imitation of THE Scarf. And I find it hard to believe that ANY Doctor will be saving the universe in a grey cardigan.
Sadly I found the picture quite thrilling anyway.
Yeah but...
https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/q71/998063_180673395445151_1590338146_n.jpg
Want. Want THAT.
You WANT the cardigan and the all-too-Tom Baker scarf?
I didn't even NOTICE the brown thing was a cardigan. I was too busy drooling at the Scarf. I think it's Pavlovian conditioning. Or something.
Well, relax. We probably won't find out how the 12th Doctor will dress until the first episode of the next season.
Oh there'll probably be promotional photos before that.
Speaking of the last picture, shouldn't River Song's story be concluded with the current Doctor's regeneration?
It gets confusing. From the Doctor's POV, Tennant was the earliest incarnation to meet her, but Smith was the first to meet her from her POV. But then, for a fan, Moffat has a very lackadaisical attitude towards continuity. (As most producers have over the decades, but definitely more so here.)
It would seem a little odd dressing Capaldi like that, and posing him with River and Clara, if that wasn't what he was going to wear.
As for the scarf, certain things carried over from Doctor to Doctor, like those question marks on the Fifth, Sixth, and Seventh Doctor, and runners on the Fifth and Tenth.
This is not an actual picture, this is a photoshopped montage. I'm not just saying that, google let me find several pictures of Capaldi in similar pose and clothes. Compare Kevin's pic wit this one for instance.
http://scifipulse.net/wp-content/uploads/2013/08/Peter-Capaldi-doctor-who.jpg
I imagine that River's reaction to meeting the 12th doctor would be something like this:
River: My God! You really have gotten old!
Doctor 12: Well, it's a new body. I should have been more careful with the last one.
Good catch, Francois.
And looking at the first picture even closer, it seems alot like a full Tom Baker ensemble, with Capaldi's face added to it.
Oh, well. Welcome back to Keeping Us In Suspense World.
I glanced over the Wiki bio of Capaldi.
In World War Z, he is credited with playing a WHO doctor. WHO being the World Health Organization.
Just thought I'd point that out.
Funny coincidence
Oh, Emily is going to love this. The argument that Capaldi's Doctor should be like... Colin Baker's.
'There would be little point in making as radical a change as we’ve made unless you’re going to go quite different with the Doctor. The last two Doctors have been brilliant, and have been your 'good boyfriend' Doctors. But the Doctor isn't always like that. There is the sort of Tom Baker, Christopher Eccleston end of the spectrum, where he is mad and dangerous and difficult.' - Moffat.
OK, not really sure where to START with this.
a) There would always be a 'point' in having Capaldi as Doctor. The point being that he's bloody brilliant and BORN to play the Doctor (well, as far as one can tell from one pair of eyebrows and a line about kidneys).
b) So there's really no need to go radically different to try to prove some sort of non-existent point. In fact, I thought all the New Who Doctors (I'm not including Hurt, obviously, HE DOESN'T COUNT*) are far more similar than hitherto, and the switch from Eccy to Tennant worked brilliantly (or as brilliantly as anything COULD work while my heart was being ripped from my body in an Aztecs-like fashion) precisely BECAUSE the character was almost the same - just a bit softened around the edges. The way Eccy WOULD have been if he'd been blessed with another season or two of Rose Tyler's company. Something old AND something new at the same time. The same person and yet a different bloke you could fall in love with in his own right. A man capable of MORE than Ecclestonian darkness when he became the Time Lord Victorious.
c) Tennant and Smith were 'good boyfriend' Doctors?! I'm squealing with indignation at the same time as I'm thinking 'God - they bloody WERE, weren't they'. (Still, not THAT good boyfriend material. As Rose (abandoned in parallel universe - TWICE!), Elizabeth I and Marilyn Monroe (abandoned at altar AFTER wedding ceremony) and River Song (locked up for several thousand years) can testify.)
d) 'There is the sort of Tom Baker, Christopher Eccleston end of the spectrum, where he is mad and dangerous and difficult.' - They SO are not! And anyway, so are Tennant and Smith! (Yes, I may have slightly contradicted myself there. That's not the POINT.)
Still...an Eccy/Tom style Doctor? BRING. HIM. ON.
(Obviously I'm ignoring the REST of the article. It is of course only joking. Choking his lady buddies for funsies, indeed.)
*Though come to think of it, Hurt IS pretty New Who Doctorish. Soft as hell and caught between a girl and a box and obsessed with Rose Tyler and unable to carry though with any plans to actually, y'know, KILL ANYONE.
My Doctor! MY DOCTOR!
The Costume!
Also: 'The Doctor Who cast and crew are about to begin their fourth week of filming in Cardiff and have already been spotted shooting an outdoor scene with Capaldi on horseback in a Victorian nightshirt.' *swoons*
Jon Pertwee make a comeback. I hope he acts like him too. Less of the childishness of the last 3.
There's no point in being grown-up if you can't be childish sometimes...
I love the fact he's wearing what appear to be Doc Martens...
Man wears clothes! Thousands flee!
well they would flee if he were wearing a ball gown from a Romanov-era grand duchess...
Excessive childishness then. And less of the pointing screwdrivers
There IS no excessive childishness. And I love it when they point screwdrivers! (Who ARE you, John Hurt?!)
John Hurt was right
Well, he was right when he said that he was a lesser man priviliged to light the flame for GREAT MEN like Tennant n'Matt.
...and Capaldi.
To be fair, The Loser hadn't met The Eyebrows yet.
We now have enough New Series Doctors to have another Five Doctors (Hurt, Ecceleston, Tennant, Smith, and Capaldi).
HELL yes.
Though obviously we'd have to use a waxwork for Ecclestraitor...
Though obviously we'd have to use a waxwork for Ecclestraitor
There is no way he's coming back, is he.
As a matter of fact, he has solemnly promised to return for the one-hundredth anniversary story, providing it's directed by Joe Aherne.
Bastard.
Well, they should hold Eccy to that promise.
If he's dead by that point, summon his ghost, hand him a script and say: "Hey, you promised!"
Moffat in DWM: 'The first time I was involved in casting the Doctor, Peter did flick through my mind. But somehow it didn't feel right...I'm stuggling to explain why' - you're damned right you're stuggling! It's JUST SO OBVIOUS! (Admittedly in retrospect.) 'It's funny...how each Doctor sorts of pushes the door open for the next one. You can't imagine Patrick Troughton's mercurial schemer turning into Tom Baker' - OF COURSE I can! I can imagine ANYONE turning into Tom Baker! 'I couldn't imagine David's cheeky, sexy, quicksilver Doctor becoming Peter Capaldi...Somehow [he] was too youthful...It's a contradiction, of course, because...the hipster boffin was even younger. But...Number Eleven...was all ages at once...The wisdom of centuries shone out of those big, sad eyes...Cometh the moment, cometh the Doctor. You don't have ideas - they just let you know when they're ready' - of course, it DOES sound a tiny bit like someone trying to justify WHY THE HELL he didn't just CAST CAPALDI IMMEDIATELY, but...ahhhh, bless!
'And so it was, on a very special day in Prague, that a Doctor Who fan dressed as Cardinal Richelieu, who was probably wondering who the next Doctor would be, discovered to his great joy, that the Doctor, at long last, was him' - I...think I have something in my eye...
Gods, will you just LOOK AT HIM:
CAPALDI!
You know, if the worst came to the ABSOLUTE worst...and obviously it's our DUTY to DIE before letting such a moment come to pass, but if it DID...which of course it WON'T, but...
...Look, what I'm trying to say is, if the BBC cancelled Who again...I think we might be able to survive without a new series. As long as they dressed up Capaldi and took THAT kinda photo every now and then.
Why is Clara's left arm at such a peculiar angle and Capaldi sucking her fingers?
How can you not recognise SACRED DOCTORLY FINGERS when you see them?
God, I just want to chop that hand off and grow my own Capaldi...
Nice interview:
World Premiere
Though honestly, what self-respecting Doctor starts wondering 'whether the life he leads is an accurate expression of his spirit'??
Peter Capaldi has signed up for a second year.
No doubt I'd be over the moon if it had ever OCCURRED to me that the BBC could POSSIBLY have been CRIMINALLY INSANE enough to only sign him up for one year in the first place.
Did they learn NOTHING from the Eccleston-shaped hole in all our souls...?
No doubt I'd be over the moon if it had ever OCCURRED to me that the BBC could POSSIBLY have been CRIMINALLY INSANE enough to only sign him up for one year in the first place.
Probably some attorney thing, like don't commit with him for more than a year before you're sure he'll work out as the Doctor, or some other sort of legal nonsense like that.
But the one redeeming feature of the whole BBC hierarchy was that when Moffat SAID 'It's Capaldi and I can't be bothered to audition anyone else' they - like the rest of the human race - were all 'Yup, he's The One.'
Deep Breath:
'Just an expression' - LOVE the Doctor's paranoia after casually referring to the dinosaur as his 'lady-friend'. The scars of Rose/Reinette/Martha/Amy/River/etc run deep.
'I just do standing-up catnaps. Generally whenever anyone else starts talking. I like to skip ahead to my bit, saves time' - OK, OBVIOUSLY this is the Best Line Ever, but is it...TRUE? Someone look through EVERY WHO STORY EVER and try to spot him nodding off...
'Sorry I'm going to have to relieve you of your pet...Shut up, I was talking to the horse' - there's just something so ADORABLE...echoes of Arthur in Girl in the Fireplace, echoes of Susan in A Town Called Mercy, echoes of the fact that from Day One the Doctor has been an inhuman git.
'You know, I never know where the faces come from. They just pop up...who frowned me this face? Do you ever look in the mirror and think, "I've seen this face before"? Why did I choose this face. It's like I'm trying to tell myself something. Like I'm trying to make a point. But what is so important that I can't just tell myself what I'm thinking' - er...QUITE. You look like a nearly-doomed art-collecting Roman sculptor WHY, exactly?
'I probably blame the English.' - BLESS!
'I'm in search of paradise' 'Yeah, well, me too, I'm not gonna make it either' - our Doctor is in search of paradise since WHEN! It would bore him sick in MINUTES! Plus he's an atheist.
'I've got the horrible feeling I'm gonna have to kill you. I thought you would appreciate a drink first. I know I would' firstly IT'S A ROBOT, it almost certainly won't appreciate a drink, and secondly, since when has any Doctor needed Dutch courage before committing murder?
So...um...the Doctor was just lying through his teeth about murder being against his basic program...?
Oh great. Just when the entire universe was celebrating at the thought of a no-hugs, no-girlfriends Doctor, MISSY turns up claiming he's her boyfriend...?
You look like a nearly-doomed art-collecting Roman sculptor WHY, exactly?
Perhaps there's something that happened in Pompeii he needs to remember, maybe something that needs fixing he overlooked.
Of course, this raises the question of how he chose his other faces. Why did Two look like Salamander, and Six like Maxil? Did Ten or Eleven also copy someone's face? Could we one day see Thirteen facing a villain with one of the Doctor's old faces? If Two could copy a villain's face, accidentally or on purpose, Seven or Nine could have too.
Perhaps on a subconscious level he remembers meeting his future selves & chooses faces accordingly? ;-)
He is known to later revisit a few of the old favourites.
It's also not the first time we've seen a Time Lord (or Time Lady anyway) have some control in their appearance.
But the big question this raises is why has he never been ginger if wants it so much?
---
'I've got the horrible feeling I'm gonna have to kill you. I thought you would appreciate a drink first. I know I would' firstly IT'S A ROBOT, it almost certainly won't appreciate a drink, and secondly, since when has any Doctor needed Dutch courage before committing murder?
---
Given all the biological matter it's supposed to have taken and incorporated into itself, perhaps it needed to take a rudimentary digestive system to supply nutrients to keep that material alive, and neural tissue to replace damaged electronics, so it's not so much a robot as loose amalgamation of tissues that thinks it's a robot, but still has biological needs and psychological wants.
Or the offer of a drink is the Doctor's way of seeing what the robot will do - if it sits down, then he can probably reason with it and convince it to shut down, if not, it's not "alive" and he can either shut it down with the sonic or trick it into destroying itself, with a clear conscience.
Perhaps there's something that happened in Pompeii he needs to remember, maybe something that needs fixing he overlooked.
He didn't even remember seeing his own Twelfth Face in Day of the Doctor, he didn't even remember being in love with Madame de Pompadour...how the hell can he remember the face of some obscure Roman bloke from a couple of regenerataions and over a thousand years ago?
Of course, this raises the question of how he chose his other faces. Why did Two look like Salamander, and Six like Maxil?
If Five had a subconscious dying wish not to be such a wimpish pushover next time, and his body overreacted by deciding he wanted to be a TOTAL GIT, then certainly Maxil is as good a model of total gittishness as you're likely to meet.
If Two could copy a villain's face, accidentally or on purpose, Seven or Nine could have too.
Excellent point. If Ecclestraitor refuses to come back as THE DOCTOR, perhaps he can come back as a villain.
But the big question this raises is why has he never been ginger if wants it so much?
It was only Tennant who REALLY wanted to be ginger. And maybe he subconsciously realised that this would make him a bit too much like Rose's dad...
it's not so much a robot as loose amalgamation of tissues that thinks it's a robot, but still has biological needs and psychological wants.
Ah, fair enough.
Or the offer of a drink is the Doctor's way of seeing what the robot will do - if it sits down, then he can probably reason with it and convince it to shut down
By which time Clara, Jenny, Vastra and Strax will probably have been slaughtered but hey, don't give THAT a THOUGHT, Doc. The only thing that matters is keeping your own conscience clean, though personally I don't see what the big difference is between talking someone to death and giving 'em a hefty shove.
---
By which time Clara, Jenny, Vastra and Strax will probably have been slaughtered but hey, don't give THAT a THOUGHT, Doc. The only thing that matters is keeping your own conscience clean,
---
Maybe the Doctor thought that if the chief robot was talking, the subordinates would stand down for a while.
---
though personally I don't see what the big difference is between talking someone to death and giving 'em a hefty shove.
---
Choice - in the first instance, the Doctor's giving them the choice to ignore what he says and keep fighting, shut down, ask for help or whatever.
.how the hell can he remember the face of some obscure Roman bloke from a couple of regenerataions and over a thousand years ago?
It does seem a little surprising, and yet he clearly remembered the face well enough to copy it exactly, even if he can't consciously remember where he saw it.
Presumably, like us humans, Time Lords have subconscious memories, not truly forgotten but not accessible to the conscious mind.
certainly Maxil is as good a model of total gittishness as you're likely to meet.
True enough. What about Two and Salamander? I don't think Two even knew what Salamander looked like before we saw them meet, so he can't have picked that face deliberately, not unless there was some unrecorded meeting between One and Salamander neither consciously remembered.
Could the Tardis have picked it for him, while helping him through his regeneration? I can't see any reason why she'd want her thief to have that particular face, but the Tardis doesn't think in human ways.
I don't see what the big difference is between talking someone to death and giving 'em a hefty shove.
Talk someone to death, and they eventually consent to die. Just give them an hefty shove, and they don't go willingly. The Doctor doesn't like forcing people to do things, so it makes sense that he prefers to get consent.
I just wish that Peter would stop referring to himself in interviews as "Doctor Who". After the refreshing insistence by Tennant that his character should be listed as "The Doctor" in the credits, Capaldi repeatedly calling himself "Doctor Who" seems a serious back step.
It reminds me of a very early interview from Kate Mulgrew after she took on the role of Captain Janeway referring to the show as 'THE Star Trek'!
Maybe the Doctor thought that if the chief robot was talking, the subordinates would stand down for a while.
He can't HONESTLY have believed THAT. Why the hell WOULD they?
Choice - in the first instance, the Doctor's giving them the choice to ignore what he says and keep fighting, shut down, ask for help or whatever.
But if he TALKS 'em into topping themselves, he might be using hypnotism. I know Tennant says you can't hypnotise people into that sort of thing but hey, McCoy did it to a Dalek...
Could the Tardis have picked it for him, while helping him through his regeneration? I can't see any reason why she'd want her thief to have that particular face, but the Tardis doesn't think in human ways.
She probably spotted that future Salamander-Doctor fight that ended up with the Bad Guy being shoved into the Vortex. And thought it looked like jolly good fun. As, of course, it was.
Talk someone to death, and they eventually consent to die. Just give them an hefty shove, and they don't go willingly.
They'll have SEVERAL SECONDS as they go parachuting-without-a-parachute to realise that The Doctor Was Right! What MORE could anyone wish for?
The Doctor doesn't like forcing people to do things, so it makes sense that he prefers to get consent.
Well it would IF THE LIVES OF THE FOUR PEOPLE HE RISKED THE ENTIRE UNIVERSE FOR THREE EPISODES AGO didn't hang in the balance.
And maybe Tremas and his wife had a little 1920s Earth cosplay going on on the date of conception.
Isn't the Doctor's theory that he's trying to subconsciously tell himself something with his new face rather undermined by the fact that he, just prior to regenerating, called Clara and very consciously learned that he would become old and grey?
Well, not really. Knowing he would become old and grey didn't give him any indications about WHOSE face he would be donning.
Or maybe knowing he would become older and grey-haired put the idea into his head of whose face he should take?
Tennant and Smith came off as endearing geeks filled with quirks, Capaldi seems a bit deranged and one inch away from flying off the handle in a dementia induced fit and either stabbing you with a fork for stealing his biscut or calmly explaining where he got a certain knickknack while dropping his trousers and relieving himself in front of you.
He doesn't seem that way to ME! He's just having a tricky time post-regeneration (as they all do) and has sensibly decided to spend his time flirting with dinosaurs and mugging tramps instead of sleeping.
Ah bless, I'm pretty sure I spotted some metal fillings while Capaldi was screaming his head off falling through a Dalek interior (Into the Dalek. Well, DUH). Admittedly this isn't so much a nit as in the finest traditions of the Davisonian Era.
Why does he keep insulting Clara's appearance? It's adorable. (The insults I mean, rather than the appearance.) I really hope it doesn't mean he fancies her, as it OBVIOUSLY did when Eleven started slagging off her nose...
'An anti-climax once in a while is good for my hearts' - the Doctor's never actually had a heart-attack (give or take So Vile a Sin) despite the numerous times one of 'em has been stopped (Shakespeare Code, Power of Three), so I don't think he really needs to worry about his hearts wearing a bit thin.
'I called myself the Doctor but it was just a name...' - really? Not a PROMISE as other Moffat stories like Name of the Doctor implied...?
Shouldn't the Doctor be getting in a flap about whether he's a good man AFTER rather than BEFORE he's informed that he's a good Dalek?
despite the numerous times one of 'em has been stopped (Shakespeare Code, Power of Three)
And Mind Of Evil, which I think was the first, unless you want to count Ian only hearing one heartbeat as evidence of an earlier heart stoppage. ;-)
Hmm. Heart-stoppage would probably result in more FUSS (well, Tennant n'Matt certainly squealed like Mickey-the-Idiot-under-a-cascade-of-dead-yellow-rats). So I'll go more for 'Ian is not a very good scientist' (he was teaching delinquents that litmus paper turns, um, whatever colour litmus paper DOES turn that HUMANITY ALREADY KNOWS ABOUT) or 'one heart, soon to meet its twin' (Man in the Velvet Mask. (Well, not THAT soon judging by Wheel in Space.))
My impression of Capaldi's Doctor has evolved a bit. He strikes me as a kind of anti-social philosopher. Coming up with wild theories about everything and being prepared to go to crazy lenghts to see if his theories are true. Entirely unconcerned with social etiquette.
I'd forgotten that this isn't the first time that Peter Capaldi has had exciting adventures in space and time:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hCvyPRSDl2s
Anyone who remembers this series might also want to check out what the actor who played Weak Moustache, arch-enemy of The League of Hirsute Gentlemen, is up to these days.
Emily only knows who Alexei Sayle is because he was the DJ in Revelation of the Daleks.
This one is probably the most topical:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tsKDec5ohYo
Which one is supposed to be Capaldi?
The one who isn't the DJ from 'Revelation of the Daleks'.
the Drunk in Time sketches are very silly indeed — Doug and Tony are two drunk idiots bouncing though time after messing with The Time Tunnel (TM) and screwing up history due to their inebriated misunderstanding of what’s going. For example, they prevent the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand because they think the killer is trying to jump the queue at a taxi cab stand, they prevent Hadrian’s Wall from being built because they think they’re at Glastonbury and offer to do it for a lower price.
There are six sketches for a total of about 15 minutes, and they are a loving pastiche of The Time Tunnel and the whole related genre of sci-fi/adventure tv shows from the late 1960s and early 1970s. Ed “UFO” Bishop does the voice-overs, Jenny Agutter and Alfred Marks are the scientists back at the base, and Jim “Mr Carson” Carter plays all the major historical figures.
Jim Carter is one of those British actors who's instantly recognisable - and has been since long before 'Downton Abbey' - yet somehow has managed never to be in Doctor Who.
I wonder how much longer he'll be many to remain at large...
Tom Baker on Capaldi:
http://www.radiotimes.com/news/2014-10-27/doctor-who-armando-iannucci-and-tom-baker-on-why-peter-capaldi-is-a-great-time-lord
Ah bless Tom's little Zimmer frame. Of course he's not likely to say "he's rubbish" publicly now is he?
Knowing Tom (well, not PERSONALLY, obviously. And admittedly he seems to have mellowed in his old (ZIMMER-FREE, haven't you SEEN Day of the Doctor!) age), he'd be MORE than capable of publicly saying that Capaldi is rubbish. Luckily Capaldi is the precise opposite of rubbish and obviously Tom - to whose glorious image Capaldi is DEFINITELY paying homage - is the first to recognise this.
You mean Peter "Should I wear a scarf? Nah that's rubbish" Capaldi? I think you need to stop drinking the Kool-Aid...
Oh.
I'd managed to completely forget the Sacred Scarf insult and remember only the Twelfth Doctor's jelly babies...
The Fourth is remembered as this goofy, happy fellow, but he is actually rather creepy and sometimes borderline misanthropic if you watch him and his behaviour closely. And the eye expressions, smiles and grimaces Capadli pulls... that's Tom Baker I'm seeing, sorry. (Well, that, and Luis de Funes. Some of Twelve's gestures and ranting reminds me of a few de Funes' roles. ) Then there are the jelly babies as well... Also, Four and Sarah's camaraderie does remind me of Twelve and Clara a lot. Even him screwing with her mind and leaving her alone or in apparent danger, only to do a "nah, I am all right" turnaround. (Four in Pyramids of Mars, Twelve in Deep Breath.)
What's with the 'sorry'? One of the things that makes Capaldi such a great Doctor is the Tom-similarity.
Death in Heaven:
'That's your answer to everything, isn't it. Vote for any idiot' - interesting. Haven't heard the Doctor slag democracy off so drastically since Castrovalva.
'I'm not a bad man. I am not a hero. I'm definitely not a president and no, I'm not an officer. You know what I am? I am an idiot! With a box and a screwdriver, passing through, helping out, learning.' - But...he's NOT an idiot. And by god he KNOWS he isn't.
Wouldn't Capaldi beating up the TARDIS console be the most heartbreaking thing ever...IF ONLY he'd shown the slightest sign of giving a toss where Gallifrey was SOONER...
'Oh go on. Crack a smile. I want to see if your eyebrows drop off.' -
'That's your answer to everything, isn't it. Vote for any idiot'
Well, looking at what's happening around the world, this sounds like a fair statement.
The places where they DON'T get to vote for any idiot are worse off. Honest.
Steven Moffat: “I was looking for the Capaldi moments every episode [in Season 8], saying ‘We need a Capaldi moment, that moment where he’s not Matt Smith, he’s not David Tennant, where he’s a dangerous, unpredictable, volatile character’. So now, having done that, and having blasted our new Doctor at them, we can go other places with him [in Season 9].” - But...but...but...I don't WANT to go to other places with him! The 'Capaldi moments' when he was sneering at the dead/soon-to-be-dead/florescent pudding-brained locals were the best bits of Season 8/34!
For me, the best Capaldi moment was "Am I a good man?" When did we ever see the Doctor so honestly unsure about his own motives?
Whereas I thought it was really shoehorned in (to lay the groundwork for his equally stupid realisation in the Grand Finale, as it transpired) and Capaldi is the LAST Doctor who'd be worrying about something like that. (Quite apart from - bless! - being a ruthless Scottish git, he's also the first Doctor for over a millennium who DOESN'T think he wiped out his own species.)
I also felt that was forced in for the sake of story arc. 'Top layer,' on the other hand is a moment he'll be lucky to ever top.
Ahhhhh, 'Top layer.' *Much blissful sighing. And inane giggling.*
---
For me, the best Capaldi moment was "Am I a good man?" When did we ever see the Doctor so honestly unsure about his own motives?
---
Personally, I see that moment as up with Tom's "Do I have the right?" from Genesis of the Daleks.
Wow.
A real you-love-it-or-you-hate-it moment, then.
Aren't those the best ones?
No, the best ones are the ones that EVERYONE IN THE ENTIRE HISTORY OF THE UNIVESRE loves, like 'Fantastic!' 'Did you miss me?' 'What a wonderful butler, he's so violent!' etc etc...
"It's the end, but the moment has been prepared for"....
Rodney, you're the greatest!
Awwww shucks Judi, that's so sweet of you!...
wait....
I just agree with you that Tom was past it and a caricature by the end.
Did we see the same Season Eighteen? The one where Himself gave a magnificently subdued performance as a Time Lord with a death-wish?
The one where Himself gave a magnificently subdued performance as a Time Lord with a death-wish?
You call it "subdued", I call it "bored and counting down the days". To say he phoned in his last season is giving him too much credit. He was probably also sulking that JNT called his bluff when he said he was going to quit....
Would it be possible to add, to this Doctor's description up above, that he has new kidneys and doesn't like their color? I kinda thought that little comment stuck out as a Capaldi-definiing moment for me.
Would it be possible to add, to this Doctor's description up above, that he has new kidneys and doesn't like their color?
Done. The only reason I hadn't put it in Capaldi's summary was because I already had it as my Season Eight quote. It's past time I replaced it with a quote that's actually from Season Eight proper rather than a Christmas Special but let's face it, said Season left me feeling a bit uninspired...any suggestions welcome.
I kinda thought that little comment stuck out as a Capaldi-definiing moment for me.
I adored that moment, of course I did, but it was a bit TOO...zany. I mean, how the hell would he know what colour he kidneys are? He can't even tell, straight after regeneration, whether he's ginger, a girl, has sideburns or bad hair, etc etc...
Well, Space Channel have released their annual list of the Top 25 Sexiest Sci-Fi Stars for 2015. Peter Capaldi made it as the only Doctor Who actor on the list at number 23.
'We're not bringing him back exactly as we left him, at all, I think that was already evident at Christmas. He's left some of the burden of being a superhero of the universe behind. So I'm pushing him – I'm writing quite funny this year – I'm pushing him the other way...' - Moffat in DWM. Frankly NONE of the Doctors struck me as having a superhero-of-the-universe BURDEN, least of all Capaldi, who was happy to fly away from any problem with a merry cry of 'Womankind, YOU sort out the giant-chicken-dragon-foetus-fiasco!'
'His fear was, "Is it my job to keep the universe together?" That's what was scaring him. "I don't know if I can do it."' - Moffat in DWM. THAT'S what all that 'Am I a good man?' stuff was supposed to be about?! How stupid. Of course he can keep the universe together, and why should CAPALDI of all Doctors doubt it?
McGann on Capaldi: 'If you're going to get a male to play the Doctor, it should be someone like him, because there's something slightly unnerving, slightly scary, about him. You need to trust the acumen and the brilliance...just don't expect him to f***ing smile, or do requests. There's no need. He's that kind of hero.'
Space Helmet for a Cow: '15-year-old Scottish fan Peter Capaldi wrote to RT to lavish praise [on their tenth anniversary magazine], singling out the "excellent" Terry Nation story and looking forward to seeing somthing similar for the twenty-fifth anniversary in 1988' - what a loser. Why didn't he volunteer, say, HIS OWN EYEBROWS to celebrate our Fiftieth with? Some people have no imagination.
'Capaldi was not unknown to the Doctor Who production office: such was his ardour, he bombarded them with letters - almost getting himself blacklisted by Barry Letts' secretary - and later tried to stage a coup d'etat for the presidency of The Doctor Who Fan Club' - what, you mean he FAILED?!
---
'Capaldi was not unknown to the Doctor Who production office: such was his ardour, he bombarded them with letters - almost getting himself blacklisted by Barry Letts' secretary - and later tried to stage a coup d'etat for the presidency of The Doctor Who Fan Club' - what, you mean he FAILED?!
---
Good thing too - otherwise we wouldn't have had him as the Doctor.
Whyever not?
15-year-old Scottish fan Peter Capaldi
I wonder if that young fellow ever imagined he'd one day be the Doctor.
Insane, isn't it.
HALF the New Who Doctors and ALL the New Who Showrunners have been rabid Fans just like us!
Rather sweet Telegraph interview with Our Hero.
Magician's Apprentice:
'I try never to understand - it's called an open mind' - since WHEN, Doctor!
'Survival is just a choice, choose it now' - odd thing for the Doctor to say, given how many good people he's seen die, most of whom presumably weren't exactly asking for it.
'One face in all of that crowd.' 'There was a crowd too?' - she wasn't anywhere near the crowd! She was alone on the battlements with Missy! Why is Capaldi of all people trying to...flirt? (Yes I know he's about to die but he's been about to die on average every 25 minutes for the last couple of millennia so what's new?)
'I don't have a screwdriver any more' - jeez, it's one thing to do penance for failing to save an ickle kiddie (even if it IS Davros) but...trying to live without a sonic? Did he learn NOTHING from the ill-fated Davison/Colin/McCoy years?
Did he learn NOTHING from the ill-fated Davison/Colin/McCoy years?
Well, obviously he learnt SOMETHING from them.
Unfortunately that something was sunglases.
The other day my cousin was watching Back to the Future and asked me if Capaldi was playing Emmett Brown. I replied no, of course not but, if you listen to Lloyd's shouting and talking he sounds very much like Capaldi!
He's JOKING about the question-mark underpants, right?
Probably not
HE WAS JOKING!
And about the 'Basil' thing too.
It must have been his...Fawlty...thinking processes!
*ducks as that joke whizzes straight over the top of Emily's head*
;-)
Emily knows who Basil Fawlty is. He was in 'City of Death'!
It's funny, but it took me two seasons to get over Tristan Farnon and all of two seconds to get over the Marble Merchant.
Still, I wasn't too sure about Capaldi at first, even stopped downloading the series for a while, but now I'm way more comfortable with him as the Doctor than I ever was with Matt. (Tennant, of course, is still the best.)
I've actually gone back to watching Dr Attack Eyebrows because I want to instead of out of simple loyalty. Thanks, Peter, for making the Doctor worth it again.
It also doesn't hurt that Moffat has somehow figured out how to write a story that doesn't disappear up its own butt. And thank god the Doctor is finally older than I am again! Now if he could only find another Donna instead of the endless parade of dolly girls.....
Catherine Tate was only 40 when she was a companion. That's hardly Amelia Rumford territory.
Emily knows who Basil Fawlty is. He was in 'City of Death'!
Fawtly Towers was so much a part of the British cultural landscape when I was growing up that even I accidentally caught most of it. As would be obvious if anyone bothered reading my Big Finish reviews, viz, Fifth Doctor audio The Boy That Time Forgot.
It's funny, but it took me two seasons to get over Tristan Farnon and all of two seconds to get over the Marble Merchant.
Probably because the Twelfth Doctor doesn't bother eating any dormice, but the Fifth Doctor spent his entire tenure as if he had his arm up the nearest cow. (Apparently some fan in some studio audience after he was announced as the Doctor suggested he played him like Tristan Thingy In Space and lo and behold...)
Still, I wasn't too sure about Capaldi at first, even stopped downloading the series for a while
*Whips out a burning torch* Sacred Fire! Sacred Flame!
but now I'm way more comfortable with him as the Doctor than I ever was with Matt
Don't you diss darling Matt!
(Tennant, of course, is still the best.)
He IS, isn't he.
Not as good as Eccy, mind you, but still TOTALLY THE BEST.
I've actually gone back to watching Dr Attack Eyebrows because I want to instead of out of simple loyalty. Thanks, Peter, for making the Doctor worth it again.
Dammit, when am I going to shake this 'loyalty' nonsense and get back to loving Who more than life itself, WHEN?
Now if he could only find another Donna instead of the endless parade of dolly girls.....
Or, better still, THE SAME Donna.
Tristan was starting to doubt whether switching places with the Doctor was such a great idea after all...
Tristan was starting to doubt whether switching places with the Doctor was such a great idea after all...
cut to scene of Tom Baker with hand up a cow's bum: "I really should have thought this one through"....
*Whips out a burning torch* Sacred Fire! Sacred Flame!
Wait, wait! I've seen the light! I even downloaded Series 8 today just to have it! (Series 5-7, however...)
Isn't Sacred Fire! Sacred Flame! from a hemorrhoids ad?
I thought that was what you got when you mixed up the Ben-Gay and the Preperation H? ;-)
(Sadly I can't remember the name of the comedian who originally made that joke.)
There is some speculation online that Peter Capaldi's other commitments might have robbed us of a repeat appearance of his magnificent Professor MacLeish in the latest and last series of 'Peep Show'. While obviously I would never suggest that he shouldn't be playing the Doctor (at least not while our moderator is listening), couldn't he have snuck away while they were taping 'Sleep No More'?
Face the Raven: 'She was saving you' 'I was lost a long time ago. She was saving you' - the Doctor considers himself 'lost'? WHEN and WHY? It's not like he still believes he blew up Gallifrey...
Capaldi Leaving Us After Season Ten?
Gods, what a bunch of wimps these New Who Docs are.
"You will bow."
"Oh no sorry I can't do that. My back's playing up - it simply refuses to carry the weight of an entirely pointless stratum of society who contribute nothing of worth to the world and crush the hopes and dreams of working people."
At last, AT LAST we have a left-wing republican Doctor. I've been LIVING for this moment ever since I saw Pertwee doing all that grovelling in front of Draconian and Peladonian monarchs.
Husbands of River Song:
'Calm down! Keep it together! Don't make puddles!' - what IS it about this Doctor, that he's so obsessed with bodily functions NONE of the other Doctors have shown any sign of being aware of!
'I have an irritable bowel' - I REST MY CASE!
'Does sarcasm help?' 'Wouldn't it be a great universe if it did' - now THIS is more like it, Doctor!
'By jingo you will!' - love Our Hero being so flummoxed by the situation but dammit, HE'S THE DOCTOR. He should be able to cope with situations like this (well, not EXACTLY like this, obviously) in his sleep.
'Are you crying?' 'No.' Um...he's right, he's not. Is Peter Capaldi incapable of crying on demand, or something? I thought all actors could do that? Whip out an onion, if necessary.
Emily - ""You will bow."
"Oh no sorry I can't do that. My back's playing up - it simply refuses to carry the weight of an entirely pointless stratum of society who contribute nothing of worth to the world and crush the hopes and dreams of working people."
At last, AT LAST we have a left-wing republican Doctor. I've been LIVING for this moment ever since I saw Pertwee doing all that grovelling in front of Draconian and Peladonian monarchs.
He did it once before, but it was a VERY long time ago.
In 'Marco Polo' the Doctor (and party) are instructed to kowtow before Kublai Khan-- kneel and touch their foreheads to the ground.
Indignant the Doctor shouts, "I shall do no such thing!"
Warned that he'll have his head cut off if he refuses, he shouts back,
"Well, if he breaks my back then he can take all of it, so why waste time on small items!"
Susan begs him to cooperate, which he finally does, but it does result in a sore back as the Doctor expected.
On the one hand...GO HARTNELL!
On the other hand, he DID degrade himself eventually - our Oncoming Storm! Our Lonely God! Before whom all the monarchs of the world should prostrate themselves! - so...GRRRR!
Also, what exactly was Hartnell doing when it came to kings/emperors in The Romans, The Crusade, The Myth Makers...? I don't remember the expression of any republican sentiments...?
(And when DID our Doctor go from monarchist to republican? I'm suspecting during that marriage to Liz One...)
Our Doctor being the Doctor, for the Doctor Who Experience...
https://youtu.be/IuZMXbkp5WM
'People say what was it like, when did you first feel like Doctor Who? I think it was when they threw a rubber spider in my face and said "Fight it!"' -
Chibnall has asked Capaldi to stay! (Though he hasn't made up his mind yet. What's the MATTER with some people!)
On the one hand, good news that Chibnall has THIS much common-sense, on the other...dammit, if we did have a new Doctor to get excited about, at least I'd be concentrating on him-or-her, rather than on OH GODS OH GODS Chibnall as showrunner.
If Twelve was a poster here would Emily ban him - "OK, Doctor, that's enough ! I'm banning you for repeated crazy rants in nearly every thread you show up in..."
He'd be welcome to rant about WHATEVER HE WISHED, worship him.
I'd draw the line at him playing his electric guitar on here, though.
Great article
Two: "It's like looking into a mirror. A rather scary mirror."
Twelve: "Oi! Watch it!"
Class has really brought home to me how totally I'm just not in love with the Twelfth Doctor.
Obviously this is ALL MY FAULT rather than his.
But I should have been weeping with joy to see him after a hideous empty pointless Doctorless year and I was just 'Meh'.
Plus when he's cringe-makingly talking about these wonderful brilliant children I'm REALLY MISSING Season Eight's 'Hello barely sentient local' Capaldi.
(Mind you, his hair's been WAY better post-Season Eight. There's only one Doctor who can get away with really short hair and his name is Ecclestraitor.)
Capaldi was at the March Against Trump.
HE'S LEAVING ME!
As expected. Mega reboot coming.
He will bow out at the same time as Moffat, Christmas Day.
I'd prefer a Megara reboot.
Goodbye Capaldi, probably the unluckiest actor to play the doc it since Colin Baker.
You'd better give him a good final season Moff you owe it to him.
I wouldn't bet on a female doctor to replace him though guys. Ghostbusters failure will have put paid to any thoughts of that for a while.
My money is on a non white doc before they have a female one.
While your final sentence is probably correct, I can imagine Capaldi snorting with disgust at the idea that Ghostbusters is a factor one way or another in anyone's life.
In fact I don't have to imagine it, because he does that in his episode of 'Peep Show'.
What really grinds my gears about the female Ghostbusters is the entitled whining about how people should be obligated to watch a female-orientated or feminist-aimed show or movie that's struggling for ratings or having poor returns at the box office.
Looks like Tom Baker's record, seven years, remains unbroken.
Well, technically speaking Sylvester McCoy was 1987-1996, and Paul McGann 1996-2005...;)
off-screen, doesn't count. Tsk, Tsk, Tsk...
Well, if we're only going by what happens on-screen, Paul McGann was 1996-2013...
If we're going by what happens on screen then Hartnell was the Doctor for exactly 50 years and 1 day, despite being dead for almost 80% of that duration.
Nonsense, we've all SEEN him regenerate, even if the rest of the episode has...dematerialised.
By sheer coincidence I got to THIS passage in Space Helmet for a Cow II this evening, vis-a-vis Channel 4 quiz show The Million Pound Drop:
'A couple lost £325,000 after failing to identify the longest-serving Time Lord. Faced with a choice of Sylvester McCoy, Paul McGann, Christopher Eccleston or David Tennant, husband and wife Johnny and Dee split their remaining £650,000 between McCoy and McGann, only for host Davina McCall to inform them the answer was Tennant. Cue an army of Doctor Who fans rushing to point out that, while Tennant may have made more episodes, McCoy was technically the incumbent Time Lord for longer.'
And yup, Channel 4 surrendered and gave 'em back their cash.
http://newsthump.com/2017/01/31/wrong-person-to-leave-doctor-who-again/
Ghostbusters isn't something I'm a fan of but the BBC executives will have taken notice that the all female reboot failed and it will be a factor in their decision making.
It happened in their business there's no way it's going to have no effect at all.
I can think of some successful female reboots, like in Galactica, where the characters of Starbuck and Boomer were recast as women, and M in the James Bond franchise.
They weren't the lead character though, and they had talented writers and well cast actresses, Dr Who will be lucky to get half of that.
A female Doc would lurch wildly between STRONG WOMAN and the most offence stereotypes know.
When Colin left the show, he was strongly advised to say that leaving was his choice.
He did not, of course, choosing to go to The Sun newspaper and whinge like crazy.
He did not work at the BBC again for years.
I do think that the BBC may - once again - be blaming the actor for merchandise slumps, loss of fangirls, slump in ratings etc. and thinking that a new showrunner means a clean slate is needed.
It is in Peter's best interests to say that it is his choice to leave.
But that does not mean it was.
Blimey, that never occurred to me.
Mind you, it would take a LOT of guts for the BBC to try to blackmail PETER CAPALDI.
And it's not like them trying to lyingly put words into Eccleston's mouth went enormously well.
Still, there was something about that radio interview in which he announced his departure that stuck in my craw (I mean, ASIDE from the fact he was abandoning us, what IS this bizarre Doctorish three-year obsession all about). Tennant's If-I-don't-leave-now-I'll-stay-forever felt so genuine and from the heart (though WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG with staying forever YOU *******) in comparison with some muttering about not being able to give it his all any more...
And I can well understand if the BBC feels Chibnall needs every iota of help he can get, and, after all, EVERYONE tunes in for a new Doctor...
Who knows what goes on in the offices of the Bonehead Broadcasting Corporation.
Yeah, even twelve years after TSLABYOD, I'm still more inclined to believe evil of the BBC than good.
TSLABYOD?
The Sixteen Long And Barren Years Of Despair.
Not that I'm BITTER or anything...
Not that I'm BITTER or anything...
You're STILL bitter about a certain scarf-wearing, pratfalling, lighthouse people murdering buffoon abandoning the role....
I don't recall the Doctor murdering anyone in a lighthouse.
Did you see the same Horror Of Fang Rock that the rest of us all did, Rodney?
Rodney has the rare, special edition DVD. ;-)
And isn't Emily still bitter about Tennant leaving?
Who ME?
*Strolls along whistling cheerily and nonchalantly and in no way heartbrokenly*
Tennant WHO?
*Breaks down howling HE LEFT ME MUM HE LEFT ME MUM OH GODS HE WAS MY ONE CONSOLATION FOR ECCLESTRAITOR ABANDONING ME BUT HE AND HIS REALLY GREAT HAIR JUST LEFT MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE...*
Credit where it's due, THIS finally elicited something vaguely resembling sorrow from me for Twelve's passing...
...And about time too.
'You made the dreams of a little boy from smokey Glasgow come true. He got to meet Doctor Who.' - Capaldi in a letter to Mark Gatiss after being permitted to visit the set of An Adventure in Space and Time and talking to fake-Hartnell David Bradley...HA HA HA HA HA!
Tom Riley (Robin Hood): 'You've seen over the Tenth and Eleventh Doctors this kind of progression of what the Doctor did in the past, and how many deaths they've caused, and how they've tried to hide it with this bright, bubbly, silly persona, but Peter's Doctor wears the past on his face' - which is kinda the impression I got too except that unlike the last bunch CAPALDI KNOWS HE DIDN'T BLOW UP GALLIFREY so what exactly is his PROBLEM?
'Simple, stark, and back to basics. No frills, no scarf, no messing. Just 100% rebel Time Lord'...is what they were saying when Capaldi was brand spanking new. Making it all the more amusing that a year later he's standing on a tank wearing sonic spectacles and playing an electric guitar to a medieval audience. No frills my ****.
which is kinda the impression I got too except that unlike the last bunch CAPALDI KNOWS HE DIDN'T BLOW UP GALLIFREY so what exactly is his PROBLEM?
Well, he was still in a war, he must have done and seen many things he'd rather not think about.
But a) 'top layer if you want to say a few words' Capaldi is less likely than any Doctor since Colin to be bothered by bloodshed, b) he's several regenerations and over a thousand years removed from the War, and c) ALL the post-Hurt Doctors were perfectly happy to regard their OWN hands as clean and blame their poor old scapegoat...
'top layer if you want to say a few words'
Imagine the sort of horrors he must have been exposed to for him to come to regard this as a benign and appropriate way to refer to a dead comrade.
he's several regenerations and over a thousand years removed from the War
And for all those years he hid the war behind his bright, bubbly, silly persona. I even think he saw the siege of Trenzalore as a relaxing vacation, it kept him from having to deal with the Time War memories. They were still all there though, waiting for any chink in his armor to burst through.
ALL the post-Hurt Doctors were perfectly happy to regard their OWN hands as clean and blame their poor old scapegoat...
Whatever allows you to sleep at night (or whatever the Time Lord's equivalent is).
'top layer if you want to say a few words'
Imagine the sort of horrors he must have been exposed to for him to come to regard this as a benign and appropriate way to refer to a dead comrade
It's CAPALDI. He doesn't WANT to be benign and appropriate. He doesn't delude himself that 'florescent pudding-brain' is some sort of compliment. Plus, the Doctor has had an inappropriate (to foolish human ears) sense of humour for centuries. Just look at Tom's 'Well, a little of her' response to Tegan asking if he'd seen her aunt...
And for all those years he hid the war behind his bright, bubbly, silly persona.
Not post-Day of the Doctor, surely? When he knew Gallifrey was safe - when it as, in point of fact, appealing for him just to say his name and he refused to do so. You can't possibly be all chirpy to cover up your oh gods I am the killer of my own species anguish when THEY'RE ALL RIGHT THERE, one Crack-in-the-wall away...
I even think he saw the siege of Trenzalore as a relaxing vacation
You're supposed to have a good time on relaxing vacations. Not be unbearably trapped in one place, separated from everyone you love (Clara AND Sexy), getting a leg hacked off (at least, Tales of Trenzaore made it clear THAT was why he was limping so badly), barely seeing the sun, and getting emotionally attached to a severed Cyber-head (OK, it has to be admitted, Handles is ADORABLE).
it kept him from having to deal with the Time War memories.
Matt is 'The man who forgets', remember? When the War Doctor asks how many children there were on Galifrey that day:
TENTH DOCTOR: You forgot? Four hundred years, is that all it takes?
ELEVENTH DOCTOR: I moved on.
TENTH DOCTOR: Where? Where can you be now that you can forget something like that?
It's CAPALDI. He doesn't WANT to be benign and appropriate.
Is that why he carries cue cards so he will know what to say in most social situations?
You're supposed to have a good time on relaxing vacations. Not be unbearably trapped in one place, separated from everyone you love
Come on, he's the DOCTOR. Don't you think he could have resolved that siege much faster if he REALLY wanted to?
TENTH DOCTOR: You forgot? Four hundred years, is that all it takes?
ELEVENTH DOCTOR: I moved on.
TENTH DOCTOR: Where? Where can you be now that you can forget something like that?
It's where he would have been if he had NOT been able to forget that should have worried the tenth Doctor.
He doesn't WANT to be benign and appropriate.
Is that why he carries cue cards so he will know what to say in most social situations?
Well, OBVIOUSLY Clara emotionally-blackmailed him into the cue cards, but he found a way to passively-aggressively resist. Don't tell me that someone with THAT amount of intelligence didn't know PERFECTLY WELL that he was supposed to say 'friend' OR 'family member' OR 'pet' as appropriate, NOT 'friend/family member/pet'.
Come on, he's the DOCTOR. Don't you think he could have resolved that siege much faster if he REALLY wanted to?
OK, it has to be admitted that I always found his excuse for lounging around for a millennium slightly thin (even before Gallifrey returned and, oh look, the universe didn't erupt in total war, or even NOTICE) but I don't believe for a moment that he was having a lovely holiday either.
TENTH DOCTOR: Where? Where can you be now that you can forget something like that?
The kitchen. It's the first sign of senior-momentitis that you can't remember what you went into the kitchen for...
OK, it has to be admitted that I always found his excuse for lounging around for a millennium slightly thin (even before Gallifrey returned and, oh look, the universe didn't erupt in total war, or even NOTICE) but I don't believe for a moment that he was having a lovely holiday either.
Fair enough, although he probably found it less unpleasant than spending 4.5 billion years punching his way through a diamond wall.
Capaldi: "So, you're letting me go?"
BBC: "Don't worry. We gave your parking space to the Borg Queen!"
Nice sum-up of how I feel (mostly):
http://screenrant.com/doctor-who-peter-capaldi-bad-writing/
Who'd be a writer these days?? Can't win a trick...
Capaldi's Filmed His Death-Scene!!!
What the ?
It starts with him dying and the rest of the series is him flashing back to what led up to the moment?
Capaldi's doctor will probably not be best remembered fondly and it's not his fault, it's the writing. Clara Oswald and Billy likely are victims, too (with Billy only getting one measely season, which I think we deserved more of her. I liked her-- I guess just like Clara there could be
a possibility we see either again with a second Tardis and a puddle across eternity), as well unfortunate to common nemeses of Me and Missy/Master. There are a few good episodes in there, the best being the Husbands of River Song (I actually wanted more of the Capaldi Doctor and River).
as well unfortunate to common nemeses of Me and Missy/Master.
Actually I think Missy's the one thing that got out of the Capaldi era unscathed.
(Well, DEAD, obviously. But a Glorious Triumph nonetheless.)
I actually wanted more of the Capaldi Doctor and River
Yeah, like A SEASON more. As I'm sure I said at the time, who looks at all that glorious Capaldi/River action and chooses the SEVERED HEAD as the next Companion instead?
In The Thick of It season 3 finale, Malcolm Tucker (Peter Capaldi) gets back to work after being fired in the previous episode.
When Ollie asked Nicola Murray to guess who was back at work and one of the guesses was Clement Attlee who was the real life British Prime Minister between 1945 and 1951.
As we now approach Capaldi’s swansong as the Twelfth Doctor in Twice Upon A Time it looks somewhat unlikely we will see this Doctor meeting Attlee.
Given the mention of Attlee in The Thick of It episode, it would have been fitting if the Twelfth Doctor had met Attlee since the Eleventh Doctor met Winston Churchill, Attlee’s predecessor (and later successor).
Bill and Ted: "Be excellent to each o--"
Twelve: "Shut up! Shut up! Shut up!"
Actually, all those shut ups sound like Clara speaking TO the Twelfth Doctor!
At one time Peter Capaldi reflected that he could have become the Eighth Doctor instead of eventually the Twelfth Doctor and that if he had been the Eighth Doctor he would have played this Doctor on Big Finish.
One of the Big Finishes that Capaldi would have done as the Eighth Doctor is The Chimes of Midnight.
The Chimes of Midnight is similar in name to the Beauty and the Beast (1987-90) episode Chimes at Midnight.
On the DVD order of Beauty and the Beast, Chimes at Midnight comes after the episode In The Forests of the Night.
In The Forests of the Night is almost the same in name of the Capaldi Twelfth Doctor episode In The Forest of the Night, with the plural and the singular being a minor difference between these two episode titles.
Dear Twelve, if you ever feel like you’ve screwed up too badly, just remember that Jill Pole once accidentally threw her friend off a cliff.
Hey, Twelve's done a FINE job, hasn't even accidentally wiped out half the universe like some Fours I could mention...well, not yet...
The only person Capaldi tends to hurt is himself. FOUR AND A HALF BILLION YEARS YOU STUPID STUPID GIT.
Who's Jill Pole?
Does she live in the North Pole?
Jill Pole - one of the protagonists of The Chronicles of Narnia: The Silver Chair.
Blimey, I remember Jill screwing up not being bothered to recite that rhyme to herself every night but I don't remember her chucking whatshisface off a cliff...?
Aslan saves them from dying if i remember...
Honestly, any self-respecting cat would have just batted 'em in the air a couple of times and then let them fall...but then Aslan's not a PROPER oochie, he's Jesus or something that mercifully I managed to completely miss when reading the books a VERY long time ago.
We seem to have somewhat wandered off the topic of our soon-to-be-late-lamented-CapaldiDoc...though I suppose he's ALSO our Messiah in disguise, albeit one who has the decency to drop helpful hints like 'I'm old enough to be your Messiah' every now and then, I'm sure if ASLAN had bothered to do so I'd've been quicker off the mark...
Capaldi explains why he's betraying n'abandoning us:
'I really never wanted to get to a place where I knew how to do this because that's not what being creative is. The actual amount of time we were spending on the show, I realised I was getting the hang of it. And that made me frightened.'
Somehow I manage to be outraged by this arrant piece of treacherous stupidity whilst simultaneously just wanting the old guy to get outta the way so we can have JODIE! JODIE! JODIE!
I just assumed he ran into Patrick Troughton in the carpark.
Actually when you consider that Troughton n'Hines believed they made the worst mistake of their lives entirely due to nagging wives/agents and should have stayed FOREVER, you've gotta wonder what he was doing, trying to inflict that stupid three-year* rule on his other selves...
*Obviously THESE days it's regenerated into 'three seasons over four years', DAMMIT.
Peter Capaldi on The Right Time To Leave:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p05r7cjr
Presented for Day 18 of the Advent Calendar on the BBC Doctor Who website.
Tansy Roberts and her favourite Capaldi episodes
Discuss
Extremis is mentioned as an 'almost.' Not much to discuss after that.
Awww...
'The new Doctor always becomes your favourite and the one that goes … well, he never really goes, he is always there, somewhere in time and space, and if you think about him hard enough, you will see him and he will see you.' - Adorable! And so true. Apart from 'always becomes your favourite' and 'he' and 'will see you', obviously...
Twice Upon a Time:
'Oh, look what someone has accidentally left here' - why is he DENYING his guitar just cos One might disapprove?
DOCTOR ONE: Why do you call him your friend?
DOCTOR TWELVE: He's got a great big gun. Are you suggesting I insult him? - Well, um, YEAH, I always kinda assumed that your raison d'etre was insulting people with big guns.
'There has to be an end, Bill, for everyone, everywhere...I'm so tired of losing people' - Oh BOO HOO HOO, you didn't top yourself after you'd counted the bodies of the billions of children you'd just slaughtered so why exactly are you trying to top yourself NOW, when (what with Bill being fine and not remembering Clara and not giving a toss about Nardole and suchlike) you haven't lost anyone REALLY close to you for ages.
'Can't I ever have peace? Can't I rest?' - well obviously not if your memories are just gonna get nicked and put in a glass body when you die. And since when has any Doctor been interested in nonsense like peace and rest?
'The silly old universe. The more I save it, the more it needs saving. It's a treadmill' - oh stop whinging, you LOVE your job!
'Remember, hate is always foolish, and love is always wise.' - Yeah, there are a few battered wives around who might disagree with that -
'Always try to be nice' - to - be - WHAAAAAAAAAT! You've changed your tune since Tennant's immortal line 'Sweet, maybe. Passionate, I suppose. But don't ever mistake that for nice' - 'but never fail to be kind' - gods, what have they DONE to my spectacularly-tactless CapaldiDoc! Remember the Good Old Days of 'Top layer, if you want to say a few words'...?
'Oh, and you mustn't tell anyone your name. No one would understand it, anyway. Except, ah! Except children. Children can hear it sometimes. If their hearts are in the right place, and the stars are too, children can hear your name. Argh! But nobody else. Nobody else, ever' - um, you DO remember YOUR WIFE, Professor River Song? The one who KNOWS YOUR NAME?
'Laugh hard, run fast, be kind. Doctor, I let you go' - *SOB*
Capaldi in DWM: 'I think Clara didn't change him that much...He liked Clara, so he put up with her efforts to try to make him more amenable, but...he probably thinks, "You know what? I was right. I shouldn't have bothered to be nice to all those human beings!"' - REALLY? Cos he starts off so delightfully, ruthlessly tactless and he ends up serving at the pleasure of the human race and urging him-(or, as it turns out, HER-)self to be nice and kind! Who's responsible for THAT whiplash-u-turn if not the woman he punched a wall for four and a half billion years for?
Moffat: 'The thing about Peter's Doctor is, we say "grumpy", and "reticent", and "darker", but he's like an exposed nerve: his confusion, his anger, his so-mortally-in-love-with-people thing, it's so close to the surface. It's all there.' - THAT'S more like it!
With Peter Capaldi’s departure still very recent here is his top five episodes as rated on IMDb:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZZJxz_hhHRQ&feature=youtu.be
'Forgetting Clara forever...' - or until Twice Upon a Time, anyway...
'To save one last planet' - PLANET? In The Doctor Falls?
'Then he falls where he stands' - and then he gets up and starts running round the South Pole...
Of course it got Heaven Sent spot-on but honestly, what kind of moronic Top Five doesn't mention Flatline or Husbands of River Song...
A Timeline of the Capaldi Era presented by the Doctor Who Club of Australia:
http://dwca.org.au/a-timeline-of-the-capaldi-era/
I naturally assumed you meant the Twelfth Doctor not Peter-Capaldi-as-Doctor but that was a nice little trip down memory lane...thank the gods they didn't repeat the laser-show-stuff for JODIE!...
'Capaldi’s second episode as the Doctor would prove no less significant than his first'
Absolute nonsense, it was a bit of a boring waste of space.
Gods, I'd totally forgotten about Class.
'Despite boasting lots of potential and including a hugely memorable anti-hero in the shape of physics teacher Miss Quill' - very true - 'the series suffered from muted publicity and oddball scheduling' - yeah, and you know what ELSE it suffered from? Not being very good.
IMDb’s Bottom 5 Lowest Rated Peter Capaldi Episodes (Worst of 12th Doctor):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ykRhYymprAs&feature=youtu.be
I think I agree with this list but maybe not quite in that order. The only one in there that gets too bad a rap is Kill The Moon in my opinion but I know many here despise it thoroughly.
Eaters of Light is lovely and Robot of Sherwood is fun and if THEY'RE the worst the Capaldi era has to offer these people are MAD! (Or it's a considerably better era than I felt at the time.)
Rodney, I don't despise Kill the Moon at all but I can't deny it EARNED its place on the Bottom Five...
Kill the Moon is a decent story that unfortunately hinges on a ludicrous premise. Forest is a ludicrous story that hinges on a ludicrous premise. Sherwood is fun, but I don't love it. Eaters of Light is more forgetable than bad, which does ultimately make it bad, and Sleep No More is just as forgetable but achieves its mediocrity on its own.
So I agree these are probably the bottom rung of Capaldi's tenure. I also might quibble with the exact sequencing if I had the interest to do so.
Kill the Moon is a decent story that unfortunately hinges on a ludicrous premise. Forest is a ludicrous story that hinges on a ludicrous premise.
Excellent summary!
Eaters of Light is more forgetable than bad, which does ultimately make it bad
Oooh that's not true!
Actually I love forgettable, it enables you to rewatch an episode much more regularly...
So I agree these are probably the bottom rung of Capaldi's tenure
More so than dull, dreary, pointless Into the Dalek/Time Heist/Knock Knock/Empress of Mars?
If any of you want to see more Peter Capaldi as written by a competent writer I suggest you check this out and the follow up vid.
The Doc isn’t a playable charcter sadly but he also shows up in the climax to defeat the baddie. He is in fact the only non playable hero who is able to fight against the baddie, to show you the level of respect the franchise is given.
Oh and when they battle the emperor Dalek he demands at one point that they “secure the unlimited RICE PUDDING!!” That’s why I love the Lego games, made by fans for fans
https://youtu.be/k7S9ZTs3xng
I tried to watch it but it just kept talking about Batman so...no. Just...no.
What kind of LEVEL OF RESPECT are you showing Our Hero if he's a non-playable character?
He is in the expansion pack. They all are
Does Capaldi have white hair?
JODIE! says he does in a certain leaked clip I may have accidentally watched several times, but I always thought it was grey. Of course, I am slightly grey/blue/green colourblind but I didn't think it extended to WHITE. And the Day of the Doctor novelisation did state that a few Docs were colourblind themselves...
It's far more grey than white. Is she definitely referring to PCap and not Hartnell? Maybe she's mixing up her earlier incarnations, especially seeing as she recently met the first one.
Ah, good idea, alas she referred to being a white-haired Scotsman...
Capaldi'd hair has been getting steadily whiter since he first took on the Doctor's role. It was almost there in Twice Upon a Time, maybe it has made it all the way by now.
Capaldi'd hair has been getting steadily whiter since he first took on the Doctor's role.
Oh! I never noticed, so mesmerised was I by his hair getting steadily longer. (To the extent that I now find his 'shorn sheep' look of Season Eight virtually unwatchable.)
That was because of his proximity to his earlier self shortening out the time differential, or whatever 10 said about 5.
Huh? But that was because 5 was standing beside 10 in his own future. 12 regenerated with short hair from 11.
Emily's right though-- I disliked the too-short hair from the start.
The Thick of It 4.4 sees a meeting between Malcolm Tucker (Peter Capaldi) and Opposition Leader Nicola Murray (Rebecca Front, later to reunite with Capaldi in The Zygon Invasion).
During a conversation between Malcolm and Nicola, the latter used the word extremis.
Extremis is not exactly a common word spoken in conversation and somewhat coincidentally it would later be the name of an episode in Capaldi’s final season as the Doctor.
In that same conversation Malcolm said something about a Haitian death squad and a death squad was basically what was seen at Missy’s execution in the aforementioned Extremis and attended by the Capaldi Doctor.
In the BBC mini series The Nativity, Peter Capaldi played Balthazar. He gave the gift of Myrrh, presumably to make up for his earlier incarnation nicking the last room and turning Joseph, Mary and Jesus out into a stable.
Capaldi being told by the BBC to downplay his marriage, reminds me of another old line from The Simpsons: "Women are going to want to have sex with you and we want them to think they can!"
Seriously? CAPALDI? Blimey. Hmm. Pretty sure that Eccy, Tennant n'Matt were unmarried at the time of their deification...and that War was married cos I seem to remember him saying he did it cos his wife told him he'd be mad not to - but surely even the BBC didn't delude themselves that women (and men, the Simpsons should be more up-to-date, THEY'RE the prescient gits who foretold President Trump didn't they) would want to have sex with a NUMBERLESS Doctor with a wispy beard - but what about Whittaker? Was SHE ordered to downplay the whole husband-and-child thing as well as to botox the line out of her forehead...?
In light of how obsessed certain fans can get, I would have thought it better and safer for Peter to up-play his marriage. Even the most besotted fan might temper their fantasies on learning that he married the first girl he kissed.
Ehhhh... over in the Star Wars fandom there are people who ship Rey and Kylo and some of the psychos fans have wished the actors real-life spouses and children would die so the actors can get together as well.
Yeah. Proves the point that Fan is short for Fanatic.
The worst things Doc 12 did.....
The Best of the Twelfth Doctor:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TtfG0QLjM_E&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0PRLKlU0Tr0VyDdP7mbbiLR-xsUoUKeMb8GXbEQtza-0mWrcTCpf5FP-k
Includes a flashback of my beloved Karen Gillan as Amy in The Doctor Falls.
An aggrieved Scotsman:
quote:Scott is a surname. The people can be referred to as Scots or Scottish (Scotch is a drink).
12's portrait:
https://imgur.com/a/kQUB73j
The attack eyebrows:
https://imgur.com/a/V63Ciop
Didn't even NOTICE the eyebrows, the EYES have me so freaked out...
@Natalie
quote:Scott is a surname.
The Suicide Squad poster with Peter Capaldi's name on it:
https://imgur.com/a/MbfUhLv
This site has more posters including a character poster of Capaldi as the old Flash villain, The Thinker. (About the fourth down.)
Interesting he's surrounded by images of the old Justice League of America villain Starro the Conqueror, who, in the '80s, had started making smaller duplicates of itself that would attach to people's faces and taking over their minds, which sounds like something that would have worked in Classic Who.
Thanks for that Keith.
The Suicide Squad trailer with Peter Capaldi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuDLepNa7hw
The Suicide Squad trailer 2, this time with narration by Peter Capaldi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m-u-lkMSd7U&fbclid=IwAR3TFXNLQ2WBwaO6-L9Rna4083VQTxeEOB3nu2SXuq8Si-KgbH30fyFukGc
Happy birthday to Peter Capaldi!
Happy Birthday to yet another Doctor. This time Peter Capaldi
Our Doctors are getting old.
And so are we.
Margot Robbie praises Peter Capaldi in The Suicide Squad:
https://www.cinemablend.com/news/2567547/the-suicide-squad-margot-robbies-update-about-doctor-who-icon-peter-capaldis-thinker-will-make-fans-happy?fbclid=IwAR3RFSvxwExzj2BXSWYFGubVNlHKFwpStCckbBEctU6IQJBi6eKE9toseXo
"He’s such an exceptional actor and he’s such a lovely guy. It’s funny, it’s a huge cast, but we really all did do a lot together. I don’t want to give away anything, so I won’t tell you what to expect, but he brings gravitas to the role [of the Thinker]."
I amused myself at the picture they had up at that site. "Wow! Sylvester Stallone and Peter Capaldi finally sharing the screen!" ;-)
Odd pairing.
TRAITOR.
Imagine being less prepared than CHRISTOPHER ECCLESTON to bless our Sixtieth Anniversary with your presence. Imagine being a Who Fan practically since BIRTH and then sabotaging our Sixtieth Anniversary. Imagine being one of the few Doctors who still looks just like they did on-screen and kicking us in the teeth rather than bless us with your wrinkles. Imagine being such a hypocrite as to say this after appearing in our multi-Doctor fiftieth anniversary story...
Extremis:
So Ten adores Harry Potter (Shakespeare Code) and Thirteen literally uses it to keep her SANE during decades of imprisonment (Revolution of the Daleks) but Capaldi bizarrely seems to regard it as a swear-word that shouldn't be used in the presence of Catholics...?
POPE: Possa il Signore illuminare il vostro cammino.
ANGELO: May God light your path.
DOCTOR: Well, He could certainly give it a go. - I'm not sure how I feel about the Doc talking like the Christian God is actually REAL but I suspect there's more than enough sarcasm there for me to give it a pass. Especially when we get THIS soon afterwards:
ANGELO: Please, stay close to me. The layout is designed to confuse the uninitiated.
DOCTOR: Sort of like religion, really.
BILL: Pray for us. When do a bunch of scientists ask for prayers?
DOCTOR: The same time anyone does. When they're very, very afraid - The Doctor realises that 'anyone' also includes HIMSELF, right? Which is weird cos by the end of the episode he's claiming he's never afraid...
'I came a long way to read that book! Two thousand years at the last count' - So HE'S not counting the four-and-a-half-billion then...can't say I blame him...
'Oh, it's the old, old story. They never look so good in the morning' - how would THE DOCTOR know?
DOCTOR: Those pretend people you shoot at in computer games. Now you know.
BILL: Know what?
DOCTOR: They think they're real. They feel it. - I highly doubt that.
'Funny. I don't believe much. I'm not sure I believe anything. But right now, belief is all I am' - that's heartbreaking, given that he's clutching River Song's diary. Whatever happened to Tennant's 'If I believe in one thing, I believe in HER'?
'You don't have to be real to be the Doctor' - *blissful sigh* Yeah. This. And you don't even have to believe the Doctor's real to WORSHIP HER! (Though, I mean, obviously you SHOULD believe she's real and she'll come for you one day. Just on principle.)
Gods I adore Capaldi's terrifyingly-creepy grin. Even TOM can't grin as memorably and that's really saying something.
DOCTOR: Do me a favour. The Fatality Index. Look up The Doctor.
RAFANDO: You have an entry, just like any other sentient being.
DOCTOR: Under Cause Of Death. - Blimey, he's BOASTING about committing genocide now is he. Again the comparison with David 'Then you need to get yourself a better dictionary. When you do, look up genocide. You'll see a little picture of me there, and the caption will read, over my dead body' Tennant is...jarring.
St. Christopher by Peter Capaldi:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6R3zvgeYb-4
What if the 12th Doctor or even every and each Doctor incarnation is considered a cause of death of their own?
DAMMIT, who the hell does Capaldi think he IS, he was rumoured for our Sixtieth and I SO HOPED it was true...
Selfish git is refusing to return cos he won't be the centre of attention.
Have they tried Madame Tussauds?
That only works for Tom cos wax-Tom is worth a dozen of any OTHER Doctor.
I don't suppose there's another version of Shada with Capaldi out there, is there?
Not yet, but the only certainties in life are death, taxes, and lots more versions of Shada...
They could CGI him and possibly even Clara in from another ep for a scene
A god swatting a gnat.
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/vaj5L3Wjraw
It is AMAZING how Doctorish Capaldi manages to make BRAGGING ABOUT ALL THE PEOPLE HE'S SLAUGHTERED.
Peter Capaldi and Orla Brady in the Vicar of Dibley Christmas episode The Christmas Lunch Incident:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9H_poNk7YjM
Capaldi and Brady would later be in another Christmas episode the Doctor Who 2013 Christmas Special The Time of the Doctor but had no on-screen reunion there.
Marking (a little over) ten years since The Time of the Doctor.
TV WEEK (Australia) of December 30 2023 - January 12 2024 in its streaming guide has a piece on Criminal Record, streaming on Apple TV+ from January 10, starring Peter Capaldi:
"In this juicy new British crime thriller, two police officers - seasoned veteran DCI Daniel Hegarty (former Doctor Who star Peter Capaldi) and newer recruit Detective Sergeant June Lenker (The Good Wife's Cush Jumbo) go head-to-head. When an anonymous phone call draws them to an unsolved murder case, Hegarty is determined to protect their legacy, while Lenker is trying to build a reputation for herself. But will it come at the cost of catching a cold blooded killer?"
Criminal Record reunites Capaldi and Jumbo as they were previously in Torchwood: Children of Earth together.
Happy belated birthday to Peter Capaldi, who earlier this week on April 14th turned 66.
SIX years YOUNGER than Davison!!!
Yeah, TALK about wibbly-wobbly timey-wimey...