Ah.

Anyways:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=axJJM-p6KhI

https://familyecho.com/?p=START&c=taltpdpynp&f=769098746953940874

I recast everyone as family members instead.

That's a different idea, Gaia.

Yeah

The crackiest a thing is, I like it the best.

Also: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e18S6nbRwIY&t=2s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=abPmo3A5TXQ

I've made my own thread for my own cracky Companion-related stuff. So I don't push too much in the proper Companion tread.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ox2Lz-689Q

Emily, maybe you can move all Gaia's "cracky Companion" post here.

Of course, I could do it myself, but I'd rather not step on your toes.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/36994396

Ere it is, the long belated Stoliver fanfic!

Tim, if you want to do it please feel free.

Done

Well, I’ve just realized something, I don’t watch Doctor Who, but I often end up having dreams with Companions in it, which I think is subliminal. I have this subliminal attraction sometimes, to Doctor Who related stuff, although I don’t actually want to watch it, I just like doing memey stuff about it. Which is usually more of continuing what I did before, than anything.

And it’s usually the classic and not NuWho ones, although I’ve only watched NuWho. Why it’s always Vicki, Steven, and Dodo but never xiapping Amy Pond or even Riley Vashtee or Tommy Connolly? I know that faces you’ve seen in a glance appear often in dreams, so it might just be that. Its not an invite to go do classic who stuff, it is just practical for em to appear.

I decided maybe I just wanna reuse their names and aestethics, who cares about copyright? If I just want to name characters the same, i name them the same.

Which technically I already did and said that it was mukokuseki.

Copyright does not apply here.

It only applies if you are making money off said creations, which you aren't.

Copyright does apply even if you aren't making money off it, Tim.

A Copyright holder might choose not to pursue someone who isn't making money, but that does not mean they can't. Disney has gone after those who have used their characters without permission.

That being said, names and titles are not protected by Copyright, although they can be protected by Trademark. So be careful.

I thought, what if classic who companions had NuWho style epithets.

Like how Rose is “bad wolf”, Martha “girl who waited”

I thought Ace would be “the wolf of fenric”, Peri “the worrier queen”, Tegan “the mouth on legs”, Adric “the boy who never knew he was right”, Mel “the girl who was companion twice”, Turlough “the exile”, Nyssa “the space princess”

Brig&yates&benton “the UNIT guys”, Sarah “the old girl”, Harry “the imbecile”, Leela “the Amazon”, Romana “the holder of the key to time”, Jo “the queen of smiles”, Liz “the science officer”

Zoe “the girl who could talk to computers”, Jamie “the highlander”, Victoria “the Victorian”, Ben “the boy who witnessed the first change”, Polly “the girl who witnessed the first change”, Dodo “the eldritch girl”, Steven “the boy who became king”, Vicki “the ball of sunshine”, Ian “the boy who shaped the Doctor”, Barbara “the girl who shaped the Doctor”, and Susan “the Doctors granddaughter”.

I thought, what if classic who companions had NuWho style epithets.

Like how Rose is “bad wolf”, Martha “girl who waited”

Actually, Amy was The Girl Who Waited.

Disney has gone after those who have used their characters without permission.

Disney is like the Borg, assimilating everything in sight.

I meant girl who walked the earth.

Also, I saw a thing saying "Steven is my fave Companion OMG! Well just say you're trans then."

Could Steven be trans? As I replied:

Steven Taylor says trans and non-binary rights! Anyways maybe Steven is trans. Perhaps he’s non-binary Armaggender. 1) Face it nobody would name their son “Steven” in 2339. 2) wears 1960esque clothes even when he’s further in the future than the 24th century or when he’s in other planets. 3) comforts his dysphoria with Hi-Fi, 4) we know nothing about his family, 5) sometimes his name is spelt Stephen, like when trans people try out names, maybe that was his first time calling himself Steven.

Anyway I'm not trans but I adore Steven, to the point that I wish I could be able to physiologically stomach actually watching Doctor Who just so I could watch his episodes.

Apropos of names, I think Nobody names (as in Kingdom Hearts) would be interesting. Although I don't think it really makes any sense for Time Lords to be becoming Nobodies as I think they'd just regenerate instead and also they have two hearts.

Using the full names:

First Doctor - Tocrosdirtxf
The Doctor - Oethxoctdr
Doctor Who - Otdwoocrxh
Theta Sigma - Iasmhegtxta
Susan Foreman - Fnumnxaseasro
Arkytior - Raiotxkyr
Barbara Wright - Abbiwahragrtxr
Ian Chesterton - Nxhnesaitector
Vicki Pallister - Plxistrkclaviie
Steven Taylor - Yntaosretxlev
Dorothea Chaplet - Lhathtooaepedrxc
Dodo Chaplet - Ptdxcoalhoed

Using the first names alone as it seems to be in the actual games (for example, Axel Sinclair the nobody of Lea Sinclair, as opposed to Axel Csinnorir the nobody of Reno Sinclair)

Susan - Xanssu
Ian - Xina
Barbara - Aarbrbax
Vicki - Iivxkc
Steven - Nvteesx
Dorothea - Exarodtoh

Only the first doctor era for now.

Also I decided I will only post on this here thread.

Now I’m imagining the doctor, John, and Gillian returning to Steven and having some adventures with him.

Who in the dead gods of Krypton are John and Gillian?

*Wince* The comic strips, in addition to their numerous other crimes-against-humanity, furnished the First Doctor with two grandchildren by those names.

Yes they would be Susan's cousins.

I think the Doctor's daughter would be their mom, and the Doctor's son would be Susan's dad.

I also thought about Companion Swaps. Like swapping the Companions between all the Doctors. But also like swapping them all with each other.

Group 1
Romana
Bill Potts
Mickey Smith
Steven Taylor
Group 2
Ace McShane
Rory Williams
Liz Shaw
Vicki Pallister
Group 3
Yaz Khan
Ryan Sinclair
Polly Wright
Group 4
K9
Peri Brown
Harry Sullivan
Jamie McCrimmon
Group 5
Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart
Graham O'Brien
Rose Tyler
Group 6
Nyssa
Ben Jackson
Barbara Wright
Group 7
Jack Harkness
Leela
Donna Noble
Group 8
Jo Grant
John Benton
Clara Oswald
Group 9
Adric
Zoe Heriot
Nardole
Group 10
Dan Lewis
Tegan Jovanka
Sarah Jane Smith
Group 11
Amy Pond
Ian Chesterton
Martha Jones
Group 12
Victoria Waterfield
Mike Yates
Vislor Turlough
Group 13
Susan Foreman
Dodo Chaplet
Mel Bush

Or maybe it's better without the UNIT guys?

Group 1
Ben Jackson
Steven Taylor
Donna Noble
Group 2
Susan Foreman
Mickey Smith
Dodo Chaplet
Group 3
Ryan Sinclair
Tegan Jovanka
K9
Group 4
Jo Grant
Peri Brown
Jamie McCrimmon
Group 5
Ian Chesterton
Graham O'Brien
Harry Sullivan
Group 6
Adric
Polly Wright
Barbara Wright
Group 7
Martha Jones
Vislor Turlough
Mel Bush
Group 8
Amy Pond
Yaz Khan
Zoe Heriot
Group 9
Bill Potts
Jack Harkness
Sarah Jane Smith
Group 10
Clara Oswald
Rory Williams
Nardole
Group 11
Nyssa
Rose Tyler
Romana
Group 12
Ace McShane
Liz Shaw
Dan Lewis
Group 13
Leela
Vicki Pallister
Victoria Waterfield

Or excluding NuWho and instead just reshuffling the Classic Who characters:

Group 1
Leela
Peri Brown
Group 2
Tegan Jovanka
K9
Group 3
Vicki Pallister
Ace McShane
Group 4
Mel Bush
Polly Wright
Group 5
Jamie McCrimmon
Ben Jackson
Group 6
Steven Taylor
Zoe Heriot
Group 7
Jo Grant
Adric
Group 8
Sarah Jane Smith
Vislor Turlough
Group 9
Liz Shaw
Harry Sullivan
Group 10
Susan Foreman
Nyssa
Group 11
Romana
Ian Chesterton
Group 12
Victoria Waterfield
Dodo Chaplet
Group 13
Barbara Wright

Or what if Steven and Dodo swapped ages

Like an adult Dodo with a teen boy Steven

or maybe teen Ian\Barbara\Ben\Polly\Jamie

or adult Susan\Vicki\Victoria\Zoe

Susan trading her age with any of them wouldn's be good for them, possibly even kill them. She's almost a hundred years old in Unearthly Child.

1) not necessarily, 8 year old time lords look the same as human children. She could just have flunked the time lord academy in her eight year at it.
2) even if she was 100 which she could be, heck she could be 1000 and in her 13th regeneration and the doctors grandma instead of granddaughter, she’s still a teenager by time lord biology standards, and the Doctor, Ian, and Barbara treat her as such.
3) Romana's about 100 and we don't know how Alzarians, Trakenites, or Trions age.

https://archiveofourown.org/works/37092916

And I ended up writing yet another fic.

https://www.ncls.it/g/archives/7421

I drew them

I drew Chesterfield and Tattletale in dresses

https://64.media.tumblr.com/b100ebbdb33907545ab364f9226d31ce/aafe3742e78eb3f4-f1/s2048x3072/158f0a0a724b5a70e0e180df49112d629ba900c9.jpg

And here's a Trans Steven aestethic.

I think that the demonym for the Vicki Pallister thalassocracy should’ve been Viking.

And now I decided on a Post-Scratch AU.

Doctor Who PostScratch AU
Original Companion – New Companion
Susan Foreman – Mike Yates
Barbara Wright – Graham O’Brien
Ian Chesterton – Amy Pond
Vicki Pallister – Tegan Jovanka
Steven Taylor – Peri Brown
Dodo Chaplet – Nyssa
Polly Wright – Jamie McCrimmon
Ben Jackson – Susan Foreman
Jamie McCrimmon – Vicki Pallister
Victoria Waterfield – Barbara Wright
Zoe Heriot – Nardole
Liz Shaw – Steven Taylor
Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart – Yazmin Khan
John Benton – Victoria Waterfield
Mike Yates – Liz Shaw
Jo Grant – Martha Jones
Sarah Jane Smith – Mickey Smith
Harry Sullivan – Zoe Heriot
Leela – Dodo Chaplet
Romana – Polly Wright
Adric – Rose Tyler
Nyssa – Sarah Jane Smith
Tegan – Melanie Bush
Turlough – John Benton
Peri – Donna Noble
Mel – Romana
Ace – Ian Chesterton
Rose – Bill Potts
Jack – Ryan Sinclair
Mickey – Harry Sullivan
Martha – Vislor Turlough
Donna – Brigadier Lethbridge-Stewart
Amy – Leela
Rory – Jack Harkness
Clara – Ace McShane
Bill – Adric
Nardole – Rory Williams
Yaz – Dan Lewis
Ryan – Clara Oswald
Graham – Ben Jackson
Dan – Jo Grant

But yeah, the idea of Companions in each other's places would be a fun idea, or even Companions "rerun" as being from other times and places, like Benton and Yates could be samurais or medieval knights, Amy\Rory could be a Kaled and a Thal in a Romeo & Juliet romance.

Yes, that's what I said it. Of course, that's just a trick, as it's then discovered that Poosh only ever had two moons and that Gatwa is actually Andred.

Oh, Tom BALER!

Well, you know how Vince, Nyssa, and Amy are a throuple? Baler is their surname, because Hawkins-Traken-Pond is just an hassle. It sounds like it should be a Timelord name with that lenght, but instead it just means "the baby hawk from a pond in the Art Nouveau elven planet". Baler does all the same work with a much shorter syllable. In fact, a baler does more work than a baby hawk.

Their son (played by Tennant) is Tremas Benjamin "Tom" Baler. Their daughter (played by Catherine Tate) is Sharon Adelaide Baler.

Actually, that's because Sally IS a Rodan incarnation and regenerated because a Dalek crashed her date with Vince (before he ended up with Amy and Nyssa) and shot her! It goes like this:

1st Rodan: Hilary Ryan Rodan.
2nd Rodan: Karl Collins Rodan.
3rd Rodan: The one from Godzilla.
4th Rodan: Sally Sparrow.
5th Rodan: Tommy Connolly.
6th Rodan: Riley Vashtee.
7th Rodan: Nasreen Chawdry.
8th Rodan: Reuben Whormby.
9th Rodan: Ben Travers.
10th Rodan: Lord Palmerdale.
11th Rodan: James Skinsale.
12th Rodan: Adelaide Lessage.
13th Rodan: Harker. (Yes, also from Fang Rock.)

This means that Horror of Fang Rock was actually also the 6 Rodans. And that Vince is actually Rodan's Companion.

Gaia, you're supposed to be sticking all this sort of stuff in its own thread.

Move it yourself in the companion crack thread then

https://discord.gg/WRVUAx3mbR

And of course I got a Discord of it too.

Theta Sigma Lungbarrow + Vansell Emithear = Ashrei and Edeline Emithear


Koschei Oakdown + Ushas Miasimia Goria = Preemo and Ekessi Oakdown


Magnus Dokalorv + Mortimus Esterrebus = Eldichaeka & Olovernes Dokalorv


Millennia Bluebell + Rallon Edanvirk = NOBODY because they died as the Gallifreyan equivalent of twentysomething college students and did'nt regenerate


Drax Plesibak + Jelpax Esmoreaf = Joflax & Ekeo Plesibak


And for the second generation:


Ashrei + Ekessi = Arkytior Emithear (Susan)


Edeline + Joflax = Isiki (John) and Adamin (Gillian) Plesibak


Preemo and Eldichaeka = Otoeni, Amigdala, and Onozarith Oakdown


Olovernes and Ekeo = Sanarith and Lubele Dokalorv

https://i.redd.it/ptqprmoktf191.jpg

Guys! It's Steven's twin sister Rochelle!

https://preview.redd.it/vwcrrzen5g191.jpg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=71f746f5915c04384a7809ff0fd05058de4ea9a3

better rochelle

https://preview.redd.it/9pi27zen5g191.jpg?width=512&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6bc94a6242f45050ae787860c6442933c73183fa

another better rochelle

Theta Sigma Lungbarrow

His name isn't Theta Sigma OR Brother Lungbarrow - Ninth Doctor audio Back to Earth: Station to Station has just helpfully confirmed this.

Depends on whether you considered the Audios canon or not.

Well they'll beat Gaia in the canonicity stakes any day.

(Well, most days. Tegan didn't die of a brain tumour, Nyssa wasn't trapped in E-Space and Richard III, sadly, doesn't seem to have been swapped with William Shakespeare. But aside from that...)

Its a common nickname for him before he became the doctor, his full name would be something like Thetasigmadoctorwho. Something long like that.

And yeah usually I don’t care about canon either.

And most of my ocs names are nondiegetic anyways.

The first thing people new to Doctor Who do wrong is think that there is a "canon" to be followed....

Yes each time the Doctor travels back in time he changes the timeline.

In fact I'm not even completely sure if Vicki, Steven, Zoe, and Leela are born in the NuWho timeline.

Heck I'm not sure if Jack Harkness is born in the current Who timelien.

The first thing people new to Doctor Who do wrong is think that there is a "canon" to be followed....

Well if there ISN'T, nitpicking is a bit pointless...

Yes each time the Doctor travels back in time he changes the timeline.

The HELL she does!

Scars it, yes (Name of the Doctor), CHANGES it...no. Well, hardly ever. I think. Probably.

In fact I'm not even completely sure if Vicki, Steven, Zoe, and Leela are born in the NuWho timeline.

Why would you think that? Tons of Old Who Companions are still very much in existence - the Brig appears in SJA: Enemy of the Bane as well as (albeit in Cyber-form) in Death in Heaven in addition to frequent mentions; Jo appears and Ian, Barbara, Ace, Ben, Polly, Liz get mentions in SJA: Death of the Doctor; Nyssa and Tegan and Dodo turn up in SJA: Farewell, Sarah Jane; Tegan and Ace are to have the supreme honour of meeting JODIE! any month now, as well as Matt referring to a gobby Australian and JODIE! to Nitro-9; Tennant declared himself Dr James McCrimmon, Nyssa and Jo faced the War Master in the Killing Time box set, and don't get me STARTED on the various K9s...

As for the ones you specifically mention, three of 'em are in times and places the Doc doesn't really bother with, leaving Leela to a) fight the Time War for Gallifrey (Gallifrey: Time War audios. Obviously) not to mention be about to have the joy of encountering Tennant in Tenth Doctor, Classic Companions...

Heck I'm not sure if Jack Harkness is born in the current Who timelien.

HE'S MET JODIE!, what MORE do you want!

Let's say the Doctor goes to 2000. There they meet 18-years-old Amelie Wrighchester. The Daleks invade. Due to something the Doctor does, the Doctor and Amelie Wrighchester end up in a situation where they're surrounded by Daleks and the Doctor ends up sacrificing Amelie Wrighchester to the Daleks! POOF! Amelie Wrighchester ends up dying in 2000, thus she never grows up to marry James Pallister in 2012, have daughter Leila Pallister in 2013 and son Andrew Pallister in 2016, and Leila never marries Robert Taylor in 2043 to have Zackary Taylor in 2044, thus Andrew Pallister never becomes Vicki Pallister's ancestor in 2479, and Zackary never becomes Steven Taylor's ancestor in 2339. Meanwhile, right across the corner, Amelie's 30 year old sister Lucie Wrightchester, and her husband Victor Heriot, are being gunned by Cybermen, so Lucie and Victor will never have their son Lucius Heriot in 2001, who in turn will never have Albricht Heriot in 2032, and then Albricht will never have Zoe in 2063, causing a paradox or at least alternate verse where the future inhabitants are a completely different bunch and that instead James Pallister ends up marrying the mother of Robert Taylor, and together they're ancestors of Donovan Pallister which is a 1st Doctor Companion instead of Steven and Vicki, thus making Seasons 2 and 3 go along a completely different route. But the Doctor still remembers the "canon" Seasons 2 and 3, with a Ball of Sunshine and Dear Boy that are now from a doomed timeline. But then on top of that, the Doctor remembers similiar events but with Donovan around instead, hence basically there are two almost completely different versions of the Time Meddler and so on.

You know how often Steven's name is spelt as Stephen and Zoe's name as Zoë? Well, Stephen and Zoë are ALTERNATE TIMELINE VERSIONS of Steven and Zoe.

The Doctor only really cares about few places and times:

Earth late 20th-early 21st century
Earth and Earth colonies late 51st-early 52nd century
Gallifrey
Skaro
Eye of Orion
Earth late 19th century

and I can't really think of anything else. And most of the time he has a Companion from somewhere else than those places, it's basically by complete accident or near complete accident and the Doctor and them often don't really get along with each other, or at least aren't more than just casual acquaintances. Yes, in the Classic Series that also happened with Companions from present day Earth.

And you'd think with so many time travellers around and with how you'd assume that they had family and friends back home (but unmentioned due to it being the 1960s-1980s) they'd have people (Time Agents?) to bring them back to their original time and destiny. Imagine seeing Steven hugging Rochelle again!

Well, if I can give Vince Hawkins a family and background, Gaia can do the same for Steven.

Of course, since Vince was a one off character, I had lot more creative wiggle room here.

Actually Steven does'nt have much more of a background mentioned than Vince. He just sort of... appears.

Very true. No family (at least, that he ever gives a thought to), no history (aside from learning fencing and piano at Space Academy (thanks, novelisations)), he's just a pilot in a war THAT HE DOESN'T EVEN BOTHER ASKING ABOUT WHEN RESCUED...

With Classic Who Companions, we rarely saw their lives, before, or after, they joined the TARDIS. As for families of said Companions, we rarely saw them either. And if a family member did appear, they usually died before the story, in which they appeared, ended.

It was not until Modern Who that we began to see the families of Companions and such. We learned more about Rose Tyler in one year than we learned about all the Classic Who Companions combined.

Gaia would have a harder time doing what she is doing with a Modern Who Companion, because we already know so much about them.

At least the EU said that the war was against the Krayt. Also, it's possible it was part of the Time War, in this case he *technically* won it, because he ended up with the Doctor, who ended up winning it. Timey wimey stuff.

The talking about the war could have happened off screen. Considering that he also shaves his beard and changes out of future clothing into 1960's ones.

Anyways as I recall (televised, of course the EU added more stuff):

Susan - she is the Doctor's granddaughter and ends up on Earth naming herself after a junkyard. Nothing else is mentioned but she has psychic powers and gives a description of Gallifrey but without naming it.

Ian and Barbara - they work together at Coal Hill and are propably also a romantic couple. Ian is the first person to name the Doctor "Doctor".

Vicki - She is a crashlanded girl from the future. Her family and propably friends died before we meet her, some on the UK-201's crash and some being killed by a crew member masquerading as an alien demon. She went to a Beatles memorial but did'nt realize they played classical music.

Steven - Was piloting the Red Flight 50 in a war. Crashlanded in a planet full of evil lawnmovers. Turned the Red Flight 50 into a jungle gym full of stairs. 2 years later is traumatized and clings to a stuffed panda named HiFi, which he promptly abandons when he joins the TARDIS.

Dodo - Lives with a great-aunt who hates her. They're apparently also very poor.

Ben and Polly - He's poor, and the sailor of the HMS Teazer. (a boat that's propably about his age and which was decommissioned by the time of his run), she's rich, and the secretary to a scientist and his supercomputer WOTAN. They meet shortly before embarking with the Doctor, and propably fall in love with each other.

Jamie - Was fighting in the Battle of Culloden, is a bit of a Scottish nationalist and a bit of an hick.

Victoria - Daughter of a mad scientist who created a time machine out of mirrors. We go inside her home, meet her father and his friend, and see a portrait of her mother. But her father and his friend get shot by Daleks leaving her to go with the Doctor and Jamie.

Zoe - Is a supergenius with eidetic memory from a wheel in space, and apparently does'nt know much about history but a lot about science and computers.

Liz - Is an UNIT science officer.

Jo - Has an uncle with connections.

Sarah Jane - Has an Aunt Lavinia whose name she uses as a cover.

Harry - pretty much nothing.

Leela - We see her "base camp" (does she even have an home) and meet her father, who gets killed by a supercomputer.

K9 - Was built by Professor Marius as a robot pet. There are propably more K9 in circulation.

Romana - Is a time lady from propably a more developed lineage than the Doctor and passed an higher grade at the academy.

Adric - Has a badge for mathematical eccellence. Has an older brother named Varsh, who is a leader of a group of teenagers comprising the two brothers and their friends. Only Keara and Rysik survive.

Nyssa - Her father gets her body stolen by the Master, and we also go to her house and meet her stepmother. But her whole planet gets destroyed.

Tegan - Her aunt gets killed, eventually we also meet her grandfather and cousin. But there is little backstory mentioned.

Turlough - We initially know nothing about it but at the end it turns out he's an alien and we meet his brother and father.

Peri - has a supposedly abusive stepfather, who is propably only like 19 years older than her.

Mel - we don't really get anything about her.

Ace - We met her mother and grandmother. Invented Nitro-9, had a conflictive relationship with her mother, and burned down a mansion.

With NuWho you can do a continuity snarl thing and make a semi AU version.

Anyways, as I said on the other thread:

They're the same dynamic of older, taller, sweet blonde x younger, shorter, active brunette.

Swap the height and age, swap blond for blondish brown, you've got Nyssa and Tegan respectively.

And if you swap blonde and brunette for blue eyed and brown eyed, and make the older one a man, you got Ian and Barbara.

And if you swap the ages, make the second one a man, and swap brunette for slightly less blond, you've got Polly and Ben.

Basically it's always been the Ian\Polly\13\Connie\Nyssa\Rose\Rory x Barbara\Ben\Yaz\Flip\Tegan\Mickey\Amy dynamic. Which is older than Doctor Who, it has been used everywhere, even Dawn and Barry from Pokémon are a great example of the dynamic.

And yes, I know Barbara arguably cheated on Ian on their second date, Polly and Ben have an on-and-off relationship, Nyssa is sometimes seen as having been with Adric before he died and they were'nt canonized as a coupel until later, Mickey was a third wheel to the Doctor and eventually ended up with Martha instead, and Rory was also kind of a third wheel to the Doctor.

But let me have a TARDIS couple where they only have eyes for each other and not the Doctor\Ganatus\cricket fans\boyband members\people that cry at movies\the Magic Taco.

The TARDIS Gang could be an ideal example of "we have only eyes for each other but at home our parents\the government won't allow it".

Another ideal example of it would be a Thal x Kaled romance.

Even if you assume Jamie and Victoria are a couple, you can tell it's a bit overshadoved by Jamie x Doctor.

So the closest thing we've had is shipping Nyssa with either Adric or Tegan. Or both at separate points of her life.

https://preview.redd.it/rvlrq5xjyd291.png?width=960&crop=smart&auto=webp&s=37e2cc2cbee5aecc9f09bebeafb3dddf6fc69ced

Also, it's possible it was part of the Time War

Not remotely possible. Well, except insofar as EVERYTHING'S possible in the Whoniverse.

in this case he *technically* won it, because he ended up with the Doctor, who ended up winning it. Timey wimey stuff.

DID the Doctor win the Time War, in the long run? The Daleks are still around. The Time Lords...not so much.

Ian and Barbara - they work together at Coal Hill and are propably also a romantic couple.

Yeah, they've got a son in the novels and are the immortal Professors Chesterton in SJA. (Ian's really old in one of the audios but never mind.)

Vicki - She is a crashlanded girl from the future. Her family and propably friends died before we meet her, some on the UK-201's crash and some being killed by a crew member masquerading as an alien demon

Nah - 'My mother had just died and Daddy wanted to get away so he took a job on the planet Astra.' (The Rescue)

Dodo - Lives with a great-aunt who hates her. They're apparently also very poor.

Doubt the aunt hates her THAT much or Dodo wouldn't've dumped the Doctor in her favour. Doubt they were THAT poor or she wouldn't have gone on school trips to the zoo and she DEFINITELY wouldn't have left her diamond-covered mirror behind in the TARDIS...

Harry - pretty much nothing.

He has a stepbrother, according to the Sarah Jane Smith audios anyway.

Leela - We see her "base camp" (does she even have an home) and meet her father, who gets killed by a supercomputer.

No, he gets eaten by horda.

Turlough - We initially know nothing about it but at the end it turns out he's an alien and we meet his brother and father.

We meet his father?!

Mel - we don't really get anything about her.

We do in Spiral Scratch...the sister she killed shoving down the stairs, for example...

Ace - We met her mother and grandmother. Invented Nitro-9, had a conflictive relationship with her mother, and burned down a mansion.

You forgot about her Christian sci-fi moppet brother. As, of course, does everything except the godawful Rapture audio.

1: Some say The Chase was the start of the time war, which possibly makes Ian, Barbara, and Vicki, if not Steven, some of the earliest combatants of it. It's also possible Steven was 18 when the war started, making him 20-21 as a companion, not 26-27. Then again it's also possible he was in his friggin THIRTIES.

2: He ended it at least. And 'Who will never kill off the Daleks unless it was like the very last non-neural-network-generated episode of the series and he destroys them alongside the Cybermen and Master.

3: Newton Pallister got promptly killed offscreen alongside the other survivors without even being named for 53 years or there being a mention\worry from his own daughter. In fact, we did'nt know she was a "Pallister" for 36 years. You could almost think that it's because she's from the future, but they gave Steven a surname. If they had given her a surname in 1965 it would most likely... not have been Pallister.

4: She's from a broken home at least. She was leading an unhappy life. And was'nt the mirror originally from the planet of the savages or something like that?

5: His stepbrother only showed up 32 years after his run.

6: Apparently he only appears in new footage filmed and added in 2010. This is 26 years after the original episode.

7: That was written 19-18 years after her run.

8: Only appeared 14-13 years after her run.

From 1963 to 1989 nobody really had a character development, all of them have most of their character development appear ages after their runs, usually after NuWho appeared or a few years before it.

Newton Pallister??

Vicki's father according to the EU.

https://i.redd.it/xgngcjpymm291.png

Some say The Chase was the start of the time war, which possibly makes Ian, Barbara, and Vicki, if not Steven, some of the earliest combatants of it

Some are wrong.

Admittedly The Greatest Tragedian Companion Chronicle has the Time War intruding on the Troughton Era...and come to think of it The Plague of Dreams sort of implied the same of the Hartnell Era...though that's not till Polly's time.

It's also possible Steven was 18 when the war started

Doubt it, he got through Space Academy and there's zero sign he's the kind of Zoe-style genius who'd been in an accelerated programme.

Who will never kill off the Daleks unless it was like the very last non-neural-network-generated episode of the series and he destroys them alongside the Cybermen and Master.

HE?

She's from a broken home at least

I think 'broken home' refers to divorce or dysfunction, not a parent DYING.

And was'nt the mirror originally from the planet of the savages or something like that?

Yes, what of it?

Apparently he only appears in new footage filmed and added in 2010. This is 26 years after the original episode.

Oh yeah, that HORRIBLE extra scene for the mutilated version of Planet of Fire...that was totally inaccurate, Malkon was half-grown not a baby...

According to RTD, it was Genesis Of The Daleks that was the first shot of the Time War.

Gaia, you seem to like Steven. So do for him what I did for Vince. Build a world around him.

According to RTD, it was Genesis Of The Daleks that was the first shot of the Time War.

On the one hand, HE IS GOD AND WE WILL WORSHIP HIM!, on the other, He only said it in an Annual. And no sane person wants to canonise the ANNUALS...

Maybe *Polly* or quiznakin, *Zoe* started the time war. If you had to choose a Companion to start the time war, who would you choose? Technically it was a prophecy about the Doctor and Clara. But it's possible the time war proper was started by Daleks at their beginning making any Dalek episode a Time War episode.

Maybe it's a century where due to the war, space academy is high school. Or maybe the war started when he was 18, but Steven only joined it later. Was'nt it supposedly a 50 year war? Or maybe it even raged for all the 24th century or whatever century it's supposed to be.

Would be a they\he\she\it\xe\fae\time\who\👽\💙💙-self by then.

The broken home is between her and her great-aunt in this case. A broken home can have dead parents. The mirror... she propably sold it and bought an home as soon as she turned 18.

Who knows, maybe Trions start up half-grown? Or maybe he was an infant when first exiled, partly grew up on the spaceship, and was a lil older when it crashed. And for Turlough, since Earth is more distant than Trion, Turlough was exiled as a toddler\half-grown, and arrived as a teenager hence ending up in that school.

Or maybe just a case of Companion aging not making any sense.

Trions are basically human so they would'nt age any differently. So Turlough was propably not teenaged (but was teenaged when he was first exiled) but Malkon is teenaged when we meet him. Propably a 14 years difference.

Malkon I think is propably in the Adric\Nyssa\Lon\Karuna cohort, also being played by an actor born 1961, but playing an ostensibly teenaged character. I think thus he's 17, like Varsh. Making him born 1967, but Turlough was propably exiled later making their age difference smaller. The war was propably pretty long, like spanning about the same time as Classic Who's run (from 1960's to 1980's). I'm pretty sure at least one of the Turlough brothers was born in the 1960's or close by.

I think that with the Brig being involved, Turlough was exiled about 1974, making him born about 1960, and thus the same age as Tegan.

And Malkon is propably not even teenaged that I think about it, Malkon would be born about 1966 (same age as Peri) or propably earlier.

Well, Mark Strickson, who played Turlough, was 24 when he started playing the character.

Mind you, it's common to get people, older than 18, to play teens, to get around labour laws.

All the Doctor Who teen Companions are played by 18-25ish year olds.

And I don't think the Turlough brothers are much older than teen. I think that Tegan, Turlough, Nyssa, Adric, Colin Frazer, Varsh, and Malkon (albeit the Alzarius brothers are from the 32nd century, so just remove 1200 years from their birthdates) are pretty close in age to each other.

Actually I think Nyssa might technically be an young adult.

the Alzarius brothers are from the 32nd century

They are!?

According to the audios they are.

Odd thing about your February 1 post--that one could really happen .

David Tennant is really married to Peter Davisons daughter. Just don't let them swap.

Life can truly be stranger than fiction.

I agree about Nyssa, the only clue we have about her age is that her father is still alive when we meet her.

I'd think only someone who was young would devote there entire life to help others.

Which kind of makes it worse, if you think about it.

I'd think only someone who was young would devote there entire life to help others.

Nah, if they were reared on Traken they'd be indoctrinated since birth with the desire to help others.

No wonder so many of 'em turned out total gits.

Excuse me Emily,

I think something odd is happening here--my last 3
posts here seem to be missing. I have no idea where they gone.

My next post here will be a test to see if I can still post here.
Please do not delete until I ask you to.

Thank you.

Yes, those were the ones I deleted after telling you I would - the ones about your grammatical errors/where a disappeared post was/me saying I'd delete 'em/you saying that was OK.

Oh, I know that.

My last post is to find proof before asking you about it.
If can get proof, it will be easier for you to investigate it.

Thank you.

Hell, I know nothing about any other disappearing posts. I don't think anyone else is having this problem, it's probably your infamous tablets.

Oh, though I should mention, the board is rather creaky so something won't show up on the relevant thread OR in 'Last Day' for quite a while, your best bet to see what's been posted is 'Search'.

Not a bad thought-it could be.

My issue is that I'm not sure what is happening here, I'm fearing that it could be a bad sign.

So I'm just trying to solve it myself.

Thank you again.

Emily -I might have figured out my missing posts.

When I post I tend to focus and causes me to edit most of what I say, then I check the spelling.

Then I preview it.

Even then I still double-check.(Note-at this point my post can be see in two places).

When I think I'm right, I hit the post button.

If I'm right, this explains the problem if not , I can live with it.

Funny thing though- I seem to make fewer errors.

As ever, I have no idea what you're talking about but, to quote The Happiness Patrol, I'm glad you're happy...

Did I- I really didn't know that.

I know that I must have seen it once- If so I certainly don't remember it.

Maybe I'm better at this than I thought.

1: Actually, I think Nicola Bryant and David Tennant would make nice friends or even couple. So would Billie Piper and Peter Davison.
Of course, Nicola’s crush is on Peter Capaldi\Twelfth Doctor, not Tennant. And Billie Piper would propably go for Matt Smith as they’re the same age and always paired with each other – in fact the Eleventh Doctor clearly still loved Rose. In fact, since TenToo\Corin regenerated from Ten’s spare hand, technically TenToo is Eleven’s spare hand (hence early Eleven’s clumsyness), and Eleven’s technically married to Rose it’s just that it’s his spare hand and not his main self.
Same thing for 5Rose and 10Peri, I think they could work. Both as TARDIS teams, and even as ships they’ve pretty much grown on me, just as many era-crossover ships.
In fact I think that in 10 years we will get 12\Peri\Rex Big Finish boxset.
2: Technically someone old could still have their father be alive. Heck, a 120something would be a grandparent to 60somethings. Tremas (or well, Antony Ainley) himself looked about 72ish at the oldest, an ideal age to have middle aged offspring. Nyssa (Ok, ok, Sarah Sutton) looked about 42 at the oldest. This makes their respective earliest birthdates (if KoT is indeed set in 1981 and Trakenites don’t age too slow compared to humans) 1909 and 1939. Which makes Tremas one year younger than William Hartnell was, and also makes him the same age as Constance Clarke herself. But Denis Carey, who played the Keeper, is also born in 1909, it’s possible the Keeper was actually about 120ish or older, having a 19th or even 18th century birth and having his life prolonged by the Source or something. Or it’s actually possible the Keeper and Tremas weren’t actually too far in age. They did’nt look too different, beside the Keeper having an elongated head and yellowish skin that looked to be a bit falling out, but that could be a Keeper source thing. Not an age thing. (Margot Van Der Burgh is only 9 years younger, being born in 1918, and she is showing a lot of age signs – more than she did as Cameca 13 years before - but she is’nt turning like the Keeper was.)
Overall it’s presumed that most actors are playing someone biologically of the same or younger age. As it often happens with Companions, they’re often played by an actor that’s quite a bit older than them. Roughly, Companions often tend to be 22ish year olds played by 26ish year olds, and Doctors tend to be played by 42ish year olds.
So this means the Trakenites propably aren’t suppose to be biologically older than the actors playing them, but it’s actually likely they’re meant to be biologically slightly younger but chronologically the same age or slightly older.
Ok, Keeper of Traken is propably set about 27 February 1981, the day just before the events of Logopolis, but technically it could also be earlier in 1981. Perhaps at the date it aired, 31 January to 21 February.
So, basically, it’s a “present day” episode, just on another planet.
And Trakenites themselves propably age a bit slower than humans. With a 70 year old Nyssa resembling a 49 year old Sarah Sutton. Hence aging about 0.7 years every year. But anyone would age really good when living in a spaceship\hospital.
Nyssa herself is implied to be born about 1963 (Sarah Sutton is born in 1961, not much older, compared to other actors who are often playing characters 4-11 years younger than them. This might indicate that Nyssa is suppose to be biologically younger than that.) making her age the same as the series number.
Technically, Nyssa would turn 18 between Castrovalva and Four to Doomsday (with Adric turning 15 and Tegan 21) but in this case, a 18 year old Nyssa would look 12 and an half, and a 19 year old Nyssa would look about 13, and a 20 year old Nyssa, as we see her departing on Terminus, would be biologically about 14, although she basically leaves to get her first job, which usually does’nt happen with teenage Companions. The Fairy Princess is now the head scientist and medic at the centre of the universe.
In fact with her, and Ace McShane, it feels the most likely that she’s a teen when she joins, and an adult when she leaves.
Sometimes it feels like she turned an adult when she turned 19, meaning she actually grows at about 0.9 the rate of an human. And that a 70 year old Nyssa would look like a 63 year old Sarah Sutton.
But overall it’s more of a depending on the writer thing. Overall, it’s likely that the Trakenites were born in the same years as their actors.
And for the other actors:
Ainley was born in 1932, but it’s likely Tremas and possibly Lucina were born a little later, about 1936.
Sheila “Kassia” Ruskin was born in 1946, meaning Kassia’s actually about 10 years younger than her husband. And about 17 years older than her stepdaughter.
Denis “Keeper” Carey was born in 1909.
John “Seron” Woodnutt was born in 1924.
Margot “Katura” Van Der Burgh was born in 1918.
Robin “Luvic” Soans was born in 1947.
Roland “Neman” Oliver, maybe born about 1936 too.
In short: Nyssa’s 18, Tremas’ 45, Kassia 35, the Keeper 72, Katura 63, Seron 57, Luvic 34, and Neman propably also 45.
3: I thought Dulkis was basically what Traken hopes it was.
Anyway I and Tim wondered who else here was in GallifreyBase, I think we’ll soon meet Emily there.

Anyways: https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/2022/08/23/nyssaur/

Sorry, it just feels wrong to me.

By the way Matt Smith and Billie Piper both appeared on The Secret Diary of a Call Girl( pun not intended).

Actually, I think Nicola Bryant and David Tennant would make nice friends or even couple. So would Billie Piper and Peter Davison.

I don't care how many Doctors she's fallen in love with, Rose would draw the line at that wimp of a Fifth. (I know whereof I speak. And the same thing happened with River - see (well, hear) Tegan slamming an infatuated Five up against the Zero Room screaming 'She's just not that into you' at him in Expiry Dating...)

in fact the Eleventh Doctor clearly still loved Rose

I disagree. One mention of possibly helping her with her homework in Wedding of River Song, one scream of horror at the sight of her in Let's Kill Hitler...

In fact, since TenToo\Corin

Short stories aren't canon. So we can scrub this 'Corin' abomination from our memories.

Same thing for 5Rose and 10Peri, I think they could work. Both as TARDIS teams, and even as ships they’ve pretty much grown on me, just as many era-crossover ships.

Don't forget the Doctor turned Peri down in Warmonger on the grounds it would practically be incest. After THAT I don't see her making any advances towards a Doctor (not to mention after Six TRYING TO THROTTLE HER TO DEATH) even one with really great hair...

In fact I think that in 10 years we will get 12\Peri\Rex Big Finish boxset.

Rex?

Tremas (or well, Antony Ainley) himself looked about 72ish at the oldest, an ideal age to have middle aged offspring. Nyssa (Ok, ok, Sarah Sutton) looked about 42 at the oldest.

Nyssa did not look 42 in Keeper of Traken!

Not unless Traken has a REALLY short year, or something...

But Denis Carey, who played the Keeper, is also born in 1909, it’s possible the Keeper was actually about 120ish or older

I thought it was rather heavily implied that that chair kept the Keeper alive for CENTURIES. Well, I certainly hope so, given how many natural disasters hit the Traken Union every time s/he croaks.

Emily- you're overthinking things again.

1: Yeah, and Fivey is one of the least romantic doctors to boot. If I wanted to ship him with an human Companion I'd more likely go for an older Vicki. But the most ideal Fivey ship is propably with a Romana or Patience regeneration.
2: I still ship 11Rose, I consider it a more viable ship than 10Rose.
3: Well, the Doctor also has known Peri only for a few days at that point. Less incest (unless Fivey already sees her as one of the space teenagers\his children) and more Fivey being a 1 in the scale from 0 as complete aromanticity and asexuality, 5 as pansexuality, and 10 as omnisexuality. Peri is propably aspec too. Also, if Peri has the same birthday as Nicola Bryant, she does'nt turn 18 until somewhere between Twin Dilemma and Attack of the Cybermen. And for the Doctor... we never really saw him young. We saw him fairly-old-for-a-time-lord-in-his-first-body, and then we saw him regenerated into new bodies. It's a bit odd for him to date someone who's immature and still in college. Even Romana was born when the Doctor was already the Third Doctor, being about 635-620 years younger than him. Yep she's even younger than Susan which makes sense since Mary Tamm and Lalla Ward are younger than CAF. I can see why it could be iffy. But incestuous? For most companions it would be closer to the opposite since their inner systems are completely different! Basically, I'm not really the biggest fan of Doctor/Companion romance but neither the biggest hater, and actually usually I don't seem to care about continuity either. Hence the thread title.
4: The redhead guy from the blu-ray webcast. Played by the same guy from Kerblam! and from the Dalek Prequel.
5: At the oldest. At the youngest she looks a few days from turning 18. Because she is supposed to be. And not every middle aged person looks the same way.
Heck, Tom Baker himself looked like he could be a few weeks after turning 18 in his regeneration scene, but seems to age quite a bit even by the time Harry leaves.
6: Yup which means that if Tremas became the Keeper he'd outlive Nyssa.

Okay this is getting odd-I think that another one is missing.

I'm not sure, just curious.

John, should'nt you be talking about missing posts on another board?

I don't think any posts here are missing, I'm just jumping to conclusions.

Gaia- this was the first place that I found what seemed to be a problem, which I've solved to my satisfaction.

On August 24,2022 another one seems to have gone missing.

Since this is the place that it went missing from I thought that this would be the place to mention it.

Maybe Sak is causing paradoxes again.

He's the one who made me reblog Doctor Who in the first place.

Who is Sak?

A supernatural entity that tells me to attach myself to Susan Wainwright from The Sims 3.

Because each time I play as Susan Wainwright in Sims 3, it is'nt normal Susan, it's Susan plus Sak, making me a bit obsessed with her.

Also: https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/2022/08/29/incontro-con-nyssa/

https://trakenboard.freeforums.net/

Trakenboard moment

And also now I thought about dub names such as Luvic being called Abelardo