Well, Emily, here's the story. As promised, it's dedicated to you. I hope you (and anyone else here curious to have a look) enjoy it:


https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12729075/1/The-Timelost

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12729075/1/The-Timelost:

'That incident had caused LINDA to be dissolved' is a piece of classic understatement and a great pun.

Blimey, I thought Ursula and Elton were quite reconciled to the whole face-on-a-slab thing ('At least I'll never age. And it really is quite peaceful, you'd be surprised.')

Ross didn't ask about Torchwood BEFORE?

We British don't have tax dollars. Or say 'gotten'.

So Vince does just fine stuck in a draw for over a century - why does Torchwood Cardiff bother waking Tommy up for blood-tests every year?

Not a nit, but those LINDA people are useless, just watching poor Vince crash to the floor in a faint like that. He could easily have cracked his head open (assuming Torchwood Southampton don't have really plush carpets).

Vince is a violent ungrateful criminal and CAN you knock someone out by punching them on the jaw, anyway?

There's no reason the Doctor couldn't return Vince home if LINDA tracked him down, providing he settled down under a different name and never contacted his family, surely?

WOULD Vince turn so quickly to suicide, he did come from a prehistoric civilisation believing in some VERY anti-suicide 'gawd' thing...

And would he really ask if the royal family are still around or would anything else be unthinkable?

As would a pre-marital relationship, surely he'd call Sally a Shameless Hussy and storm out...?

(Yes, I realise, given the number of child prostitutes in the Victorian/Edwardian eras, they weren't ALL whiter than the driven snow but given Vince's response to Leela stripping off in front of him, he was.)

Well, as fanfic goes, not much actually happens beyond Vince being unconvincingly alive and even more unconvincingly in a relationship with Sally Sparrow, but it was a much more enjoyable read than a helluvalot of official Who stuff that's been inflicted on me...

...and CAN you knock someone out by punching them on the jaw, anyway?

Yes, but you'd probably also break said jaw in the process.

Vince is one VICIOUS brute...

In Vince's defense, look at what happened to him. He was going about his business as a junior lighthouse keeper, when, suddenly, people start dying all around him. He's seemingly attacked by his mentor.

Then, suddenly, he finds himself in a strange place, being questioned by strange people.

Then, suddenly, he finds himself in that same place with more strange people. When he asks them who they are, they give him answers he cannot comprehend. Yes, maybe his slugging Joey in the saw was a bit harsh, however, Joey was not seriously hurt and all was forgiven.

Now, to address some of the other nits...


Blimey, I thought Ursula and Elton were quite reconciled to the whole face-on-a-slab thing ('At least I'll never age. And it really is quite peaceful, you'd be surprised.')

It's been over a decade. It's hard to be, ahem, intimate with a slab of concrete.


We British don't have tax dollars.

Another Brit actually pointed that out to me. I guess you can look at this two ways.

1. Ross is a transplanted North American.

2. Remember, this is not our world. Perhaps, on Earth Who, there are tax dollars in Britain (the government has to get money to pay for the damages all those alien invasions caused, after all).


So Vince does just fine stuck in a draw for over a century - why does Torchwood Cardiff bother waking Tommy up for blood-tests every year?

I guess you mean "drawer", not "draw".

Don't forget that Torchwood Southampton was wiped out in the Scaroth Incident of 1903 (wink, wink), soon after they put Vince in the cooler. They never had chance to defrost him every year to do blood samples.

However, as you saw, Vince was okay.


Not a nit, but those LINDA people are useless, just watching poor Vince crash to the floor in a faint like that. He could easily have cracked his head open (assuming Torchwood Southampton don't have really plush carpets).

Depends on how fast Vince fainted and how far from him they were when he did. On TV, I've seen character faint and collapse to the floor before someone can reach them.


There's no reason the Doctor couldn't return Vince home if LINDA tracked him down, providing he settled down under a different name and never contacted his family, surely?

Yes, but that would be asking a lot of Vince, wouldn't it. What good would it be to return him to his own time, if he cannot contact his loved ones.

And don't forget that Vince has learned a few things, like his brother getting killed in the First World War. He might be tempted to try and stop that.

After the stunt Rose pulled in Father's Day, I think that the Doctor would have said no and that Vince would just have to accept that 2017 was his time now.


WOULD Vince turn so quickly to suicide, he did come from a prehistoric civilisation believing in some VERY anti-suicide 'gawd' thing...

Vince was lost in a world he could barely comprehend, and everyone he loved and cared for was dead. The guy was in despair.

Besides, he really wasn't that sure he wanted to go through with it, since Sally was able to take the knife away from him so easily.

And there were atheists back then. Not saying that Vince is one, but they did exist.


And would he really ask if the royal family are still around or would anything else be unthinkable?

Vince was just asking random questions about this strange new world he had found himself in. Kind of like an American, in s similar situation, asking who the current President is.


As would a pre-marital relationship, surely he'd call Sally a Shameless Hussy and storm out...?

Sally has been helping Vince adjust to 2017 and the feelings gradually developed. Clearly, Vince is more progressive than you give him credit for.


Well, as fanfic goes, not much actually happens beyond Vince being unconvincingly alive and even more unconvincingly in a relationship with Sally Sparrow, but it was a much more enjoyable read than a helluvalot of official Who stuff that's been inflicted on me...

I'm going to take that as a compliment

What did you think of the ending scene, with Vince and Sally, back at the lighthouse, where they run into Anne Travers? Yep, I decided to acknowledge the events of Beast Of Fang Rock (gotta respect my fellow author).

While the Doctor himself makes no appearances here, his shadow does loom over the whole story and the characters.

I guess you mean "drawer", not "draw".

So I do.

They never had chance to defrost him every year to do blood samples.

However, as you saw, Vince was okay.

Yeah, to be honest, the whole slowly-drain-Tommy-of-blood thing was more of a nit for Torchwood: To The Last Man than for your story, but OBVIOUSLY I had to mention it.

There's no reason the Doctor couldn't return Vince home if LINDA tracked him down, providing he settled down under a different name and never contacted his family, surely?

Yes, but that would be asking a lot of Vince, wouldn't it. What good would it be to return him to his own time, if he cannot contact his loved ones.

To be in your own place n'time would be to be HOME, worth an awful lot. And there's no evidence Vince was overly attached to his friends n'family or he'd've bought them all houses with his fifty-quid note instead of BURNING IT!

Of course, there's the whole bound-to-get-himself-killed-in-World-War-One thing to muddy the waters...

And don't forget that Vince has learned a few things, like his brother getting killed in the First World War. He might be tempted to try and stop that.

Very true, and if he had any brains he'd've read a detailed history of the twentieth century before going back...mind you I'm not sure he HAS got any brains...

After the stunt Rose pulled in Father's Day, I think that the Doctor would have said no and that Vince would just have to accept that 2017 was his time now.

Yeah, and that whole business with Adelaide n'chums didn't go so well either...

And there were atheists back then. Not saying that Vince is one, but they did exist.

Yeah, but there's a very clear correlation between intelligence and atheism and you know my opinion of Vince's brains (lack thereof)...

What did you think of the ending scene, with Vince and Sally, back at the lighthouse, where they run into Anne Travers? Yep, I decided to acknowledge the events of Beast Of Fang Rock (gotta respect my fellow author).

Unfortunately your story highlighted the ridiculous coincidences at the heart of Beast of Fang Rock. Of course, if you HADN'T had the tie-in, I'd be the first person shrieking 'WHAT ABOUT BEAST OF FANG ROCK?!' at you...

Yeah, to be honest, the whole slowly-drain-Tommy-of-blood thing was more of a nit for Torchwood: To The Last Man than for your story, but OBVIOUSLY I had to mention it.

You wouldn't be doing your duty as a nitpicker if you didn't.


And there's no evidence Vince was overly attached to his friends n'family or he'd've bought them all houses with his fifty-quid note instead of BURNING IT!

I've explained to you on more than one occasion why Vince burnt that money, I see no need to do so again. Besides, it's really not relevant to this discussion.


Of course, there's the whole bound-to-get-himself-killed-in-World-War-One thing to muddy the waters...

When Sally tells Vince of his brother dying in WW1, Vince muses that, had things gone differently, he might have ended up fighting in that war himself.



if he had any brains he'd've read a detailed history of the twentieth century before going back

Since Vince is not going back to 1902, this point is moot.


you know my opinion of Vince's brains (lack thereof)...

What have you got against Vince?


Unfortunately your story highlighted the ridiculous coincidences at the heart of Beast of Fang Rock. Of course, if you HADN'T had the tie-in, I'd be the first person shrieking 'WHAT ABOUT BEAST OF FANG ROCK?!' at you...

Yeah, I guess I couldn't win either way with this one.


Anyhoo, I might write more Vince/Sally stories in the future. Just to let you know.

From doctorewhonews.net, this might interest Emily.

"Monday, 04 December, 2017 - Reported by Marcus

Gaydio, the UK’s LGBT radio station, is offering the chance to have lunch with former Doctor Who Show Runner Russell T Davies.
The oppotunity is being offered in aid of the Terrence Higgins Trust #SeeRed appeal for World AIDS Day.
The winner has the chance to meet Davies at a central Manchester Restaurant for lunch. They will get an hour with the screenwriter and television producer whose works also include Queer as Folk, Bob & Rose, The Second Coming, Casanova, and the trilogy Cucumber, Tofu and Banan.
The location for this will be Australasia in Manchester and includes your meal on a mutually agreed date before the end of March 2018 Full details including Terms and Conditions via the auction website."

What have you got against Vince?

Nothing, I just like teasing you.

The winner has the chance to meet Davies at a central Manchester Restaurant for lunch. They will get an hour with the screenwriter

AN HOUR! That's a pretty bloody quick lunch.

And personally I feel our Living Gods should submit themselves for worship/dissection (delete as appropriate) for free at Tavern...

Just to let you know, Emily, that if I ever decide to marry Vince and Sally off, Sally will keep her maiden name.

THANK you!

And just remember, if they *shudders* breed, the kids must be Sparrows instead of Hawkins, after all, SHE'd be the one who *more shudders* grows them inside her stomach in a Alien-like fashion before they agonisingly burst out...

And just remember, if they *shudders* breed, the kids must be Sparrows instead of Hawkins

I hadn't thought that far ahead.

Funny how both Vince and Sally have birds in their last names, HAWKins and SPARROW

Nyssa and I are getting together tonight with Vince and Sally, and we're all gonna watch Jodie's debut.

Merry Doctor Who Christmas

Just watch out for Vince socking you on the jaw when he can't cope with the shock of the Doctor becoming A WOMAN...

I'll keep that in mind.

Well, The Timelost: Web Of Time is ready:


https://www.fanfiction.net/s/12991943/1/The-Timelost-Web-Of-Time


Enjoy the story.

Yup, you're both right, it's 1. Drowning under a ton of work at the moment (yes I know I took early retirement in 2005 to devote myself to Who, I occasionally take on freelance projects so I can afford bloody Big Finish, alas this one has turned into a bloody nightmare, who'd've thought that a History of England would have so many sodding FACTS to fact-check), hopefully it'll be over by mid-month when I can celebrate by getting drunk and reading Tim's story and writing up all my notes for several Who-books and getting my LIFE back...

Big Finish costs that much!?

I wouldn't think Big Finish is the most importasnt part of Emily's statement, Tim
Getting all liquored up BEFORE she reads your story is what stood out for me!

Don't read too much into that, it's a standard part of her ritual.

Big Finish costs that much!?

Have you SEEN how much cr- , er, stuff they're churning out?

It's my one luxury. Everything else in my minimalist lifestyle is covered by a couple of hours a day in the House of Lords but those wretched CDs are a never-ending drain on my resources, not to mention will to live...

Getting all liquored up BEFORE she reads your story is what stood out for me!

Don't read too much into that, it's a standard part of her ritual

It certainly is, though, let's face it, a bit of Dutch courage doesn't come amiss when facing a pairing like Sally Sparrow and Vince-the-dead-Edwardian-briber...

a pairing like Sally Sparrow and Vince-the-dead-Edwardian-briber...

Sally could do a lot worse than Vince. I mean at least I didn't pair her up with Nyder!

Oh, and technically speaking, Lord Palmerdale, not Vince, was the "Edwardian briber"

Sally could do a lot worse than Vince. I mean at least I didn't pair her up with Nyder!

If Nyder was HALF as faithful to Sally as he was to Davros, she'd be a lucky woman.

Well, OK, maybe not precisely lucky but she definitely wouldn't have to worry about him being lured away by a fifty-quid note, unlike her current paramour...

Oh, and technically speaking, Lord Palmerdale, not Vince, was the "Edwardian briber" :-)

I stand corrected, is 'bribee' a word...?

If Nyder was HALF as faithful to Sally as he was to Davros, she'd be a lucky woman.

Well, OK, maybe not precisely lucky but she definitely wouldn't have to worry about him being lured away by a fifty-quid note, unlike her current paramour...

Nah, she's just have to worry about him collaborating in slaughtering his race.

I think Vince is the lesser of the two evils here

she's just have to worry about him collaborating in slaughtering his race

But bear in mind that said race is the ••••••• Kaleds. If only Nyder had thought to slaughter 'em all six months earlier, just THINK how much happier the universe would be...

Well, it was Davros that actually decided to do the slaughtering. Nyder just went along with it.

The Timelost: Web Of Time is ready

Vince doesn't share a bedroom with his girlfriend?

Sally isn't woken by yelling but is woken by Vince-eating-ice-cream?

Gotta respect Vince for not hitting the bottle but doesn't he realise all that ice-cream will make him fat? And anyone shacked up with Sally Sparrow should already be uncomfortably aware of how unattractive they are in comparison...

REUBEN was 'such a kind and gentle man'? And not, say, a grumpy old git?

Should they not have thought of hypnotherapy or something to deal with Vince's nightmares, rather than a trip back IN TIME to dear old Fang Rock?

'Didn't you tell us this Great Intelligence once tried to attack Earth?' - it was twice in Old Who alone and as you're obviously including - may the gods have mercy on your soul - the Lethbridge-Stewart novels, you really ought to count all the times it attacked Earth in those. I'd love to helpfully give you a number but whenever I try to remember how many I just find myself screeching 'OUR FUNGOMETER'S BLOWN A FUSE!' and collapsing in sobs.

'Both of them embraced hands' - hmm. I think you've just invented a new phrase. I like it.

Surely by NOW Sally doesn't have to explain to Vince what a TARDIS is?

'I felt that way the first time I saw it' says Sally, re Vince's reaction to seeing Sexy dematerialise. The first - and as far as I can remember, last - time she saw it she was shrieking in blind terror.

You don't think that maybe 'If there is a God, I have to thank him for bringing this wonderful man into my life thought Sally' is laying it on a bit thick?

'So that's how they figured out that I was alive' - what, having a physician with them? The fact HE WAS BREATHING might possibly have tipped off even a non-doctor...

'A group that has the best interests of the British Empire at hand' - I think you mean at heart.

'What do you know about the Doctor?' 'Nothing' - ARE YOU MAD! You know he has a long scarf and toothy grin and hair that curls like the ram and hangs around with women perfectly happy to take their clothes off in front of you and likes laughing at Luddites and is an engineer and no mistake and isn't a spy and takes the discovery of corpses very calmly and is SO SO NICE to you...*sob* have you ANY IDEA what I would give for TOM BAKER to say 'You're a good lad Vince' to ME (and never mind the slight error in gender and naming)...

Ooh! I rather like the cliffhanger ending. VERY mean.

Thanks, Emily. Now, onto the nits.

Vince doesn't share a bedroom with his girlfriend?

Don't forget the time he comes from. Sally is clearly easing him into our modern world.


Sally isn't woken by yelling but is woken by Vince-eating-ice-cream?

It was more his moving about the kitchen, rather than the eating of the ice cream that woke Sally.



Gotta respect Vince for not hitting the bottle but doesn't he realise all that ice-cream will make him fat?

There are brands of ice cream that don't have sugar in it (I eat that brand myself).


REUBEN was 'such a kind and gentle man'? And not, say, a grumpy old git?

Yes, but this is Vince remembering him as a mentor and friend. Vince is determined to clear Reuben's name, after all (since Reuben got blamed for the deaths at Fang Rock).


{Should they not have thought of hypnotherapy or something to deal with Vince's nightmares, rather than a trip back IN TIME to dear old Fang Rock?}

This is the Whoniverse. We don't do simple here.


'Didn't you tell us this Great Intelligence once tried to attack Earth?' - it was twice in Old Who alone and as you're obviously including - may the gods have mercy on your soul - the Lethbridge-Stewart novels, you really ought to count all the times it attacked Earth in those. I'd love to helpfully give you a number but whenever I try to remember how many I just find myself screeching 'OUR FUNGOMETER'S BLOWN A FUSE!' and collapsing in sobs.

No doubt Anne Travers is mentioning the one she was directly involved with, The Web Of Fear.


Surely by NOW Sally doesn't have to explain to Vince what a TARDIS is?

Yes, but this is the first time she's actually seen Sexy in years.


I felt that way the first time I saw it' says Sally, re Vince's reaction to seeing Sexy dematerialise. The first - and as far as I can remember, last - time she saw it she was shrieking in blind terror.

No doubt Sally is remembering through rose tinted glasses here.


You don't think that maybe 'If there is a God, I have to thank him for bringing this wonderful man into my life thought Sally' is laying it on a bit thick?

Sometimes people in love say, and think, silly things.


What do you know about the Doctor?' 'Nothing' - ARE YOU MAD! You know he has a long scarf and toothy grin and hair that curls like the ram and hangs around with women perfectly happy to take their clothes off in front of you and likes laughing at Luddites and is an engineer and no mistake and isn't a spy and takes the discovery of corpses very calmly and is SO SO NICE to you...*sob* have you ANY IDEA what I would give for TOM BAKER to say 'You're a good lad Vince' to ME (and never mind the slight error in gender and naming)...

No doubt Torchwood Southampton was looking for more details than that. Of course, what Vince did tell them didn't match what was in their records. They were expecting the Tenth Doctor and Rose Tyler, not the Fourth and Leela.


I rather like the cliffhanger ending. VERY mean.

Yeah, it was. Of course, the next story will have Sally and Vince investigating what really happened to Larry.

There are brands of ice cream that don't have sugar in it (I eat that brand myself).

It's not the sugar in ice cream that makes you fat, it's the cream.

Well, since Vince is no longer plagued by the nightmares, he'll no doubt cut down on the ice cream.

Sally is clearly easing him into our modern world.

I suspect that sharing a bed with Sally Sparrow is something few men would require much easing into, WHATEVER time-period they're from.

It was more his moving about the kitchen, rather than the eating of the ice cream that woke Sally.

Still, moving is a lot less noisy than yelling, even if he was moving in the noisiest, least considerate way imaginable.

Yes, but this is Vince remembering him as a mentor and friend. Vince is determined to clear Reuben's name, after all (since Reuben got blamed for the deaths at Fang Rock).

Yeah, but if you're trying to clear someone's name with THE TRUTH it's best you don't start by telling lies to yourself.

No doubt Anne Travers is mentioning the one she was directly involved with, The Web Of Fear.

But she's a scientist, she works from a body of knowledge built up over the centuries by other scientists, she doesn't discount every single scientific fact she hasn't personally witnessed!

Plus, as you're taking the Lethbridge-Stewart novels as canon I'm SURE she's encountered the Great Intelligence loads more times in those, alright I can't remember specifics but it and she are all over those novels. AND short stories.

Yes, but this is the first time she's actually seen Sexy in years.

So instead of explaining to Vince the fact that THE TARDIS IS A TARDIS - a fact of which, after months with LINDA, he'll undoubtedly be well aware - she should be bursting into tears of joy and hurling herself at it screaming 'Take me with you!' (Yes, alright, she's invisible and it wouldn't work but that's not the POINT, it should be an automatic, Pavlovian reaction.)

No doubt Torchwood Southampton was looking for more details than that.

It doesn't matter what they're LOOKING for, Vince LIED to them under truth drugs!

They were expecting the Tenth Doctor and Rose Tyler, not the Fourth and Leela.

On the one hand that's bloody ridiculous, even Torchwood are just-about competent enough to have realised by now that their raison d'etre is a shape-changer who'll pick up ANY pretty young female as a sidekick, on the other hand...that would explain A LOT. Like how they missed Pertwee for the entire UNIT era, for starters...

Dammit, Tennant v Yvonne was such fun (for those few minutes before, y'know, she and her entire organisation were destroyed in an unfortunate coincidence) that you feel EVERY Doctor ought to have the chance to exchange quips with Torchwood after getting briefly captured by them...

Yeah, but if you're trying to clear someone's name with THE TRUTH it's best you don't start by telling lies to yourself.

But Vince isn't lying to himself. This is how he really sees Reuben, as a kind and gentle man, and as a friend. And Vince hates seeing his friends name dragged through the mud.


Plus, as you're taking the Lethbridge-Stewart novels as canon I'm SURE she's encountered the Great Intelligence loads more times in those, alright I can't remember specifics but it and she are all over those novels. AND short stories.

Since Beast Of Fang Rock is the only novel of that series that I have, I'm just using it (and the Web Of Fear) as a base.


she should be bursting into tears of joy and hurling herself at it screaming 'Take me with you!' (Yes, alright, she's invisible and it wouldn't work

Yep, Sally and Vince could only observe, not interact. That way, neither could change the past.


Vince LIED to them under truth drugs!

That depends on your point of view. Don't forget that Vince met the Doctor only once, it wasn't enough to turn him into a drooling fan boy.


On the one hand that's bloody ridiculous, even Torchwood are just-about competent enough to have realised by now that their raison d'etre is a shape-changer who'll pick up ANY pretty young female as a sidekick, on the other hand...that would explain A LOT. Like how they missed Pertwee for the entire UNIT era, for starters...

Well, you've just answered your own nit here

But Vince isn't lying to himself. This is how he really sees Reuben, as a kind and gentle man, and as a friend. And Vince hates seeing his friends name dragged through the mud.

Is Vince really that charmingly naïve, though? He wasn't exactly over-optimistic about what would happen to him if he was found with Lord Whatshisname's cash about his person...

Since Beast Of Fang Rock is the only novel of that series that I have, I'm just using it (and the Web Of Fear) as a base.

Ah, but that opens the floodgates, now you've gotta take into account every single bloody time Anne Travers whips up a useless Yeti-detector for the Brig - er, Colonel.

Yep, Sally and Vince could only observe, not interact. That way, neither could change the past.

Pah! You think that sort of technicality stops ME hurling myself at the TV screen...?

Vince LIED to them under truth drugs!

That depends on your point of view.

I suspect that EVERYONE IN THE UNIVERSE has the POV that the Fourth Doctor is...quite memorable.

(OK, with the possible exception of that bunch of Skonnon GITS who ignored him when he was doing his 'unaccustomed to public speaking' speech...)

Don't forget that Vince met the Doctor only once, it wasn't enough to turn him into a drooling fan boy.

Well, WHAT THE HELL'S THE MATTER WITH HIM!

Is Vince really that charmingly naïve, though? He wasn't exactly over-optimistic about what would happen to him if he was found with Lord Whatshisname's cash about his person...

Don't forget that Vince had a personal connection with Reuben, he saw him as a mentor and a friend. So, yeah, maybe Vince is bit naïve in regards to that, but can you blame him.

On the other hand, Lord Palmerdale was just an upper class twit who happened along. Vince had no connection with the guy. Yeah, he was willing to take his money, but that was about it.


Ah, but that opens the floodgates, now you've gotta take into account every single bloody time Anne Travers whips up a useless Yeti-detector for the Brig - er, Colonel.

Since the Young Brig novels take place nearly fifty years ago, and my stories are taking place now, I really don't see a problem here.


You think that sort of technicality stops ME hurling myself at the TV screen...?

Emily, you are unique. If you were sent back, along with Vince and Sally, I could see you begging the Fourth Doctor to take you along, even though he couldn't see or hear you.


Well, WHAT THE HELL'S THE MATTER WITH HIM!

Perhaps I should have Vince and Sally meet JODIE.

Thinking of bringing Sarah Jane into my next Timelost story. She and Vince knew the same Doctor, after all.

Promo pic for my next Timelost Fan Fiction:

https://i.imgur.com/vYGZ54m.jpg

The new story is ready. Okay, it's pure fanwank, but that's the fun of it:


https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13410733/1/The-Timelost-Stone-Circle

Congrats! V successful Stones of Blood reprise. It's always been oddly neglected when it comes to sequels.

DO people from the 1900s go round saying things like 'However, I will give you all the emotional support you need'? (OK, so he's been in the modern era for a while but that obviously hasn't stopped him being a homophobic git.)

'Well, Oban, you tried. And that counts for something' - I just don't see dear Cessair being so...reasonable.

'Oh, if only I had a sonic screwdriver' - have you forgotten that Sarah has a sonic lipstick?!

Incredibly mean thing to do to poor Larry - way worse than just killing him off to make way for your precious Vince - but he still speaks for us all when he says 'Still, Sally, this guy?'

Would Sarah really refer to 'our alien lesbian here' when Vivian made it perfectly clear she was bisexual?

'Amelia needed no time to think it over' - she didn't care about the lies, betrayals, deaths etc etc?

It's 'et cetera' not 'ex cetera', btw.

Stones of Blood reprise. It's always been oddly neglected when it comes to sequels.

I know.

I mean what happened to that prison ship, and how did Cessair escape it. The story is totally silent on that whole thing. So I wrote a way that it could have happened.

And yes, I used the theory that Cessair was willingly working with the Black Guardian. The television story seemed to hint that. I just took the idea and ran with it.


but that obviously hasn't stopped him being a homophobic git

Don't forget the time that Vince came from. He would have remembered the Oscar Wilde scandal.

And while he is still having trouble wrapping his mind around the idea of same sex couples no longer being taboo, he is adjusting to it. Give him time.


I just don't see dear Cessair being so...reasonable.

She was in public.

However, as you saw, once she got home, she began to vent (and that's when the BG first showed up).


'Oh, if only I had a sonic screwdriver' - have you forgotten that Sarah has a sonic lipstick?!

No, I didn't know about it. I haven't yet seen all the episodes of her show.

Guess she left it at home.


Incredibly mean thing to do to poor Larry - way worse than just killing him off to make way for your precious Vince

Working for the Black Guardian is worse that being dead!?

Hey, Larry could one day come to his senses, like Turlough did.


he still speaks for us all when he says 'Still, Sally, this guy?'

What's wrong with Vince (aside from that one time he took that bribe)?


Would Sarah really refer to 'our alien lesbian here' when Vivian made it perfectly clear she was bisexual?

Sarah was clearly distracted in stopping Vince and Larry from knocking the stuffing out of each other (Cessair, on the other hand, was quite amused at the idea).


'Amelia needed no time to think it over' - she didn't care about the lies, betrayals, deaths etc etc?

Hey, love conquers all.


It's 'et cetera' not 'ex cetera', btw.

I fixed that.


Sorry for not dedicated this one to you, Emily. I gave the honour to Terrence Dicks. Said dedication is pretty explanatory as to why.

have you forgotten that Sarah has a sonic lipstick?!

No, I didn't know about it. I haven't yet seen all the episodes of her show.

Sorry to be predictable, but...BURN THE BLASPHEMER!

Working for the Black Guardian is worse that being dead!?

OF COURSE it is! Especially from the point of view of people who actually LIKE Larry.

Hey, Larry could one day come to his senses, like Turlough did.

Too little, too late. And at least Turlough had the very understandable excuse of wanting to get the hell away from his English public school...I assume you've got a REALLY GOOD explanation of what the •••• Larry was thinking for your next story...?

What's wrong with Vince (aside from that one time he took that bribe)?

As I'm sure I've mentioned...he's just not in Sally's league.

Sarah was clearly distracted in stopping Vince and Larry from knocking the stuffing out of each other

Sarah's a FEMINIST. She's not gonna let a minor matter of two idiot males getting all...idiot-male-ish on each other provoke her into throwing sexual-orientation-slurs about the place. (Not that 'lesbian' is a slur (gods, I can only DREAM of being so fortunate) - unless you've made it crystal clear that 'Hello I'm bi.')

'Amelia needed no time to think it over' - she didn't care about the lies, betrayals, deaths etc etc?

Hey, love conquers all.

In some cases, but definitely not in the case of Amelia Rumford, she's just too...tough and practical and decent. She threw her lot in with the Doctor and Romana against the alleged-love-of-her-life in no time.

(Of course, some might argue that love - for Romana - DID conquer all for Amelia...)

Sorry for not dedicated this one to you, Emily. I gave the honour to Terrence Dicks. Said dedication is pretty explanatory as to why.

It was very touching and it certainly never occurred to me that the thing should be dedicated to me instead.

Larry would not have thrown in with the Black Guardian without a good reason. Or, at least what he believed to be a good reason.

I always liked Cessair, because she was not your typical Who villain, She had no interest in conquering the Earth and such, rather she just wanted to be left alone. Furthermore, she only killed when she absolutely had to. In the story, she had our heroes at her mercy, but didn't harm then. She did say that she wanted to settle the score with the Megara and, who could blame her.

And I wanted to give her and Amelia a happy ending. I wrote that Cessair feelings for Amelia were real, and not just an act. In the fact that she came back and saved Amelia's life indicates that. And she did promise to tell Amelia all, before the two of them headed off for the Eye Of Orion (another reference that longtime Who fans will get).

I always liked Cessair, because she was not your typical Who villain, She had no interest in conquering the Earth and such, rather she just wanted to be left alone. Furthermore, she only killed when she absolutely had to. In the story, she had our heroes at her mercy, but didn't harm then.

I seem to remember an awful lot of typical-megalomanic-bwahahaha-ing when she sent Romana packing to a trapped prison-ship? Also that she tried to get our darling Doctor EXECUTED by those bloody Megara?

It's like Vivian started off a WAY more interesting and nuanced 'villain' than usual and the gravity of Doctor Who just dragged her down into cliche.

I seem to remember an awful lot of typical-megalomanic-bwahahaha-ing when she sent Romana packing to a trapped prison-ship?

Well, you're remembering wrong, because no "megalomanic-bwahahaha-ing" took place during that scene.


Also that she tried to get our darling Doctor EXECUTED by those bloody Megara?

The Megara were quite willing to do that anyway, they didn't need any help from Cessair.


It's like Vivian started off a WAY more interesting and nuanced 'villain' than usual and the gravity of Doctor Who just dragged her down into cliché.

Well, you could say that I pulled her back out.

She seemed to enjoy having a chat with Sarah Jane, Sally, Vince, and Anne (she might have offered them refreshments if any were on hand). She didn't harm them because she didn't need to (as she was planning on scarpering the moment Larry delivered the final part for her space/time manipulator).

I've revived an idea I had a few years ago, with Doctor Who characters on Philip Jose Farmer's Riverworld.

Bear in mind that this story is still in progress, so stay turned.

Here is what there is so far. Hope you all enjoy the story:


https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13577408/1/Riverworld-Who-Style

Uh-oh. I don't read crossovers. They make me uneasy on an existential level.

Oh come on now. At least look at it.

Besides, it's 98% Doctor Who. The world won't collapse, Emily.

It's like telling someone with a peanut allergy that they should try a dish that is only 2% peanuts.

Not quite, Francois. As far as I know, no one has ever died because they read a Fan Fiction (okay, I know you're just having fun with me).

However, Emily...

It's one thing for someone to tell you that they don't like your story (and God knows, I've had that unpleasant experience numerous times, believe me).

But to just summarily dismiss it, without even reading it!? I find that very insulting.

So, give it a go, Emily, it can't be any worse that some of the stuff you've read and posted about here (and I'm not charging you a dime for it). If you like it, yay! if you don't, well, I can live with that.

But surely it's down to each individual to decide what they do and don't want to read? I'm reading a lot of Good Omens fanfic right now, but if the summary and tags say that it's a Human AU, even by an author I really like, I choose not to read it because it's not my thing.

It's not an insult to the author. It's a personal choice.

I know, Callie, but, to me, Emily's reply seemed like a judge passing sentence without even looking at the evidence. Besides, she's never had any issues with my previous stories.

In fact, my previous Timelost story helped inspire this one. Towards the end, Vince wonders where Sarah Jane is now, and wonders if she made it to Heaven. Of course, no one can give him an answer, because no one knows.

This got me inspired (God knows I have to do something until reason and sanity return to the world). So I dusted off this idea I had, made a few changes (Sarah Jane was not in it originally) and ran with it.

I have an online friend, who knows absolutely nothing about Doctor Who, who is enjoying it. If one of the Not We can enjoy it, surely Emily can, or at least take a look at it.

I honestly don't think I'm asking too much here, Callie.

Well, okay, but I beg to differ. Nobody should feel compelled to read something they feel uncomfortable about, even as a favour. An online friend of mine - who has acted as beta for some of my fic - declined to read a story I wrote when I told her the premise of it because it wasn't something she felt comfortable about, and I didn't push her to read it even though I would really have valued her opinion.

Yeah, thanks, Callie, I really feel I'm doing my Who-y duty enough REreading all the well-over-five-hundred Who novels* (plus all those bloody new Lethbridge-Stewart books, they breed like RABBITS, plus the Target novelisations and then there's an unspeakable number of non-fictions) without even THINKING about doing fanfic as well. I read Tim's anyway as it was the least I could do in return for his years of Nitcentrally support but I just don't want to be nagged/bullied into reading something contaminated by Lesser Programmes.

*Well, not the two Mick Lewis ones obviously, I'm crazy but I'm not THAT crazy.

The Riverworld series are novels, not TV shows (although the Sci-Fi Channel did make a movie/pilot in 2003 and a mini-series in 2010).

although the Sci-Fi Channel did make a movie/pilot in 2003 and a mini-series in 2010

Which had little resemblance to the novels, save for the title. 8-/

I think it should be up to Emily what she chooses to engage with and not worry about anyone having a hissy fit because they don't read a piece of theirs...

Crossovers, fanfic and non-canonical stories are three genres that are simply not universally read.

The fact that Emily reads all our posts is impressive by itself. I certainly don't. I often skip, or at best skim, discussion of novels or audios that I have no intention of consuming.

although the Sci-Fi Channel did make a movie/pilot in 2003 and a mini-series in 2010

Which had little resemblance to the novels, save for the title.

Probably for budget reasons.


The fact that Emily reads all our posts is impressive by itself. I certainly don't.

Well, why should you, Kevin. You're not the Moderator here, after all.

Still, Emily has made her decision, and I must respect it (even if I don't agree with it).

A promo pic I made for the story:


https://i.imgur.com/TVSvBIi.jpg

What are those monoliths doing on Riverworld?

What are those monoliths doing on Riverworld?

I have no idea.

I didn't make that part of the poster, I just tweaked an existing one I got off the Internet.

I take it, Francois, that you're familiar with the Riverworld books.

Francois is familiar with EVERYTHING.

I take it, Francois, that you're familiar with the Riverworld books.

I am, fascinating premise, well executed, up to the final battle between Clemens and prince John. Past that point, the story looses a lot of steam imho, and the true nature of the Riverworld, when revealed, is rather disapointing. It's been years since I've read the books, I probably should correct that oversight.

Francois is familiar with EVERYTHING.

The result of having no real social life, a state of affair I am disturbingly comfortable with.

I am, fascinating premise, well executed

Indeed it is, although I tweaked it a little bit. Instead of every human dying ending up on Riverworld, I decided that a select few did.

Of course, three of them are my main characters, Garth Eckersley, Lynda Moss, and, of course, Sarah Jane Smith.

Part of the Riverworld novels is a story of redemption, which I have done in the case of Eckersley. I've even given him a girlfriend, and no, it's not Sarah Jane, rather it's an original character a created, a Russian woman named Olga (who had been forced to make a living as a prostitute in 19th Century NYC).

And while one can say that there is no evidence that Riverworld exists in the Whoniverse, there is no evidence that it doesn't either.

Indeed it is, although I tweaked it a little bit. Instead of every human dying ending up on Riverworld, I decided that a select few did.

You know, I'm suddenly trying to imagine how Emily would react to finding herself on Riverworld.

Wouldn't that be fun to see!

Well, Emily, as promised, here is The Timelost: Return Of Nessie, for you to read at your convenience.

Enjoy the story.


https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13923802/1/The-Timelost-Return-Of-Nessie

'The Skarasen, now harmless' - now WHAT! That critter could do a LOT of damage! It's not made of papier-mache you know!

'The late Sarah Jane Smith' - when is this SET? I thought not-too-many-years after Blink whilst RTG's stupid funeral implied Sarah didn't, well, do that stupid dying thing until very recently.

'Sally wished that Anne Travers could be there to help' - well she bloody wouldn't if she'd had to read as many Candy Jar Brig/Anne books as I have...

I thought you LIKED Vince! You're making him work at MACDONALDS? (Also, I'm pretty sure the pay ISN'T good.)

Wait, SARAH'S perfectly capable of dating the UNIT adventures to the 1970s whilst the Doctor is still (judging by Legends of Camelot) in 'The 70s. Or was it the 80s' mode?!

'I honestly don't know' - Vince is a blatant liar!!

'Dead or alive, his uncle Angus is well-informed' - kudos for being so blase about the existence of the second sight being proved...

'Digression was the better part of valour' - I think you mean discretion...

'Turns out some of those Zygons stirred up some trouble, a few years ago, but the Doctor sorted it out, as he always does' - yeah, but how often does s/he sort it out by saying 'Come on in, help yourselves you evil alien invaders, EARTH IS YOURS!'?

OMG you're making poor Larry work for the BLACK GUARDIAN now?!

Jeez, stop telling us that Sarah Jane is dead! It still bloody HURTS!

'The religions of your planet are closing to the truth than they ever imagined' - you mean closer and also, even I'm prepared to concede that plenty of god-botherers actually DO imagine their stuff is close to the truth. Also, no religions mention a Black Guardian and the devil is based on the Bitter Pill's Beast, not everyone's favourite wearer of avian headgear...

'Petronella Osgood, late of UNIT' - since when has she told anyone (bar the Doctor after much probing) her first name? And what the hell d'you MEAN, 'late of UNIT' - oh. UNIT's gone. Right. Well, she should have joined a foreign branch instead of this 'late of UNIT' stuff.

Vince hasn't heard the word 'Skarasen' - did Sarah really not mention it in her detailed notes?

'"I had nothing to do with that lot back in the 70s. They were a rogue group, and did not represent the whole of the Zygon people." I believe her Vince thought' - Yeah, well...I don't. Sure, it's technically true but it's PRETTY FUNNY that EVERY Zygon group we've met - in Terror of the Zygons, Sting of the Zygons, Power of Three, Day of the Doctor, Zygon Invasion/Inversion, Bodysnatchers, King of Terror, Zygon Who Fell to Earth, Pandorica Opens, Original Sin, Absolution, Zygon Hunt etc etc etc - is trying to conquer Earth.

It's so sweet that YOU remember Osgood needs to use an inhaler every now and then! Thirty-three Big Finish audios have somehow managed to forget this fact...

As usual, I a) genuinely enjoyed that and b) am somewhat bemused by this fact.

Thanks, Emily, for pointing out the typos I'd overlooked. I have since corrected them.

Moving on...


The Skarasen, now harmless' - now WHAT! That critter could do a LOT of damage!

The Fourth Doctor said so, and who am I to argue with him?


'The late Sarah Jane Smith' - when is this SET? I thought not-too-many-years after Blink whilst RTG's stupid funeral implied Sarah didn't, well, do that stupid dying thing until very recently.

My first story was specifically set in 2017. I've been kind of dodgy since, preferring the generic term Present Time when opening my stories. Much more wiggle room that way.


'Sally wished that Anne Travers could be there to help' - well she bloody wouldn't if she'd had to read as many Candy Jar Brig/Anne books as I have...

Clearly Sally has not read those books


I thought you LIKED Vince! You're making him work at MACDONALDS?

It's McDonald's, not Mac. And it's not all bad. I had a cousin who worked there once and she enjoyed the experience.


Wait, SARAH'S perfectly capable of dating the UNIT adventures to the 1970s whilst the Doctor is still (judging by Legends of Camelot) in 'The 70s. Or was it the 80s' mode?!

Sarah Jane was smart.


'I honestly don't know' - Vince is a blatant liar!!

Vince is supposed to tell a chap he's just met his origin story?


'Dead or alive, his uncle Angus is well-informed' - kudos for being so blase about the existence of the second sight being proved...

This is more Vince's thoughts than my own. Remember, he comes from a time when Spiritualism was all the rage.


'Turns out some of those Zygons stirred up some trouble, a few years ago, but the Doctor sorted it out, as he always does' - yeah, but how often does s/he sort it out by saying 'Come on in, help yourselves you evil alien invaders, EARTH IS YOURS!'?

Can't blame me for that one. I'm just following what the show established.


OMG you're making poor Larry work for the BLACK GUARDIAN now?!

The end of my story, Stone Circle, established that. And as to WHY Larry is doing it, that would be telling.


Jeez, stop telling us that Sarah Jane is dead! It still bloody HURTS!

Sorry.


'The religions of your planet are closing to the truth than they ever imagined' - you mean closer and also, even I'm prepared to concede that plenty of god-botherers actually DO imagine their stuff is close to the truth. Also, no religions mention a Black Guardian and the devil is based on the Bitter Pill's Beast, not everyone's favourite wearer of avian headgear...

The BG has no doubt assumed many forms and used many names, so it's plausible.

Bitter Pill??


'Petronella Osgood, late of UNIT' - since when has she told anyone (bar the Doctor after much probing) her first name? And what the hell d'you MEAN, 'late of UNIT' - oh. UNIT's gone. Right. Well, she should have joined a foreign branch instead of this 'late of UNIT' stuff.

She goes on to say that UNIT could return. Perhaps she's just being overly optimistic.


Vince hasn't heard the word 'Skarasen' - did Sarah really not mention it in her detailed notes?

It was mostly Sally that consulted those notes.


'"I had nothing to do with that lot back in the 70s. They were a rogue group, and did not represent the whole of the Zygon people." I believe her Vince thought' - Yeah, well...I don't. Sure, it's technically true but it's PRETTY FUNNY that EVERY Zygon group we've met - in Terror of the Zygons, Sting of the Zygons, Power of Three, Day of the Doctor, Zygon Invasion/Inversion, Bodysnatchers, King of Terror, Zygon Who Fell to Earth, Pandorica Opens, Original Sin, Absolution, Zygon Hunt etc etc etc - is trying to conquer Earth.

I guess that some of those are Audios.


It's so sweet that YOU remember Osgood needs to use an inhaler every now and then! Thirty-three Big Finish audios have somehow managed to forget this fact..

Yup.

That's why I left her out of the disclaimer notice, I didn't want to ruin the surprise of her cameo.


As usual, I a) genuinely enjoyed that and b) am somewhat bemused by this fact.

Thanks, Emily. Your feedback is much appreciated

The Skarasen, now harmless' - now WHAT! That critter could do a LOT of damage!

The Fourth Doctor said so, and who am I to argue with him?

When did he say that?

My first story was specifically set in 2017. I've been kind of dodgy since, preferring the generic term Present Time when opening my stories. Much more wiggle room that way.

Ah! I distinctly remembered you being sensibly vague, I just didn't remember you'd originally FATALLY given a date...

'Sally wished that Anne Travers could be there to help' - well she bloody wouldn't if she'd had to read as many Candy Jar Brig/Anne books as I have...

Clearly Sally has not read those books :-)

She is truly blessed amongst women.

(Aside from...sleeping with Vince, obviously.)

Wait, SARAH'S perfectly capable of dating the UNIT adventures to the 1970s whilst the Doctor is still (judging by Legends of Camelot) in 'The 70s. Or was it the 80s' mode?!

Sarah Jane was smart.

You know who ELSE is smart? THE DOCTOR.

'I honestly don't know' - Vince is a blatant liar!!

Vince is supposed to tell a chap he's just met his origin story?

Vince could've kept things vague whilst expressing his respect for the extraordinary magic of whatshisface's uncle.

'Turns out some of those Zygons stirred up some trouble, a few years ago, but the Doctor sorted it out, as he always does' - yeah, but how often does s/he sort it out by saying 'Come on in, help yourselves you evil alien invaders, EARTH IS YOURS!'?

Can't blame me for that one. I'm just following what the show established.

Some outrage on the part of the humans whose planet has been given away by such treachery will be well in order.

OMG you're making poor Larry work for the BLACK GUARDIAN now?!

The end of my story, Stone Circle, established that

Ah! I may have mentioned I now have insomnia on top of the chronic fatigue so my memory is shattered to hell.

Bitter Pill??

'In the scriptures of the Falltino, this planet is called Kroptor, the bitter pill' says Ida, about a minute after saying ' Now, don't be stupid. It hasn't got a name. How could it have a name?'

I guess that some of those are Audios.

And some are novels.

I guess it's past time someone wrote an audio/novel to clean up Moffat's mess and explain how all those Zygons have LEFT EARTH NOW.

The Skarasen, now harmless' - now WHAT! That critter could do a LOT of damage!

The Fourth Doctor said so, and who am I to argue with him?

When did he say that?

Well, he let it return to Loch Ness. Would he have done that if he thought it was still dangerous?


My first story was specifically set in 2017. I've been kind of dodgy since, preferring the generic term Present Time when opening my stories. Much more wiggle room that way.

Ah! I distinctly remembered you being sensibly vague, I just didn't remember you'd originally FATALLY given a date...

The reason my first story has a specific date is that, at the time, I didn't realize I'd writing more of them.


'Sally wished that Anne Travers could be there to help' - well she bloody wouldn't if she'd had to read as many Candy Jar Brig/Anne books as I have...

Clearly Sally has not read those books :-)

She is truly blessed amongst women.

(Aside from...sleeping with Vince, obviously.)

Just can't help it, can you Emily


Wait, SARAH'S perfectly capable of dating the UNIT adventures to the 1970s whilst the Doctor is still (judging by Legends of Camelot) in 'The 70s. Or was it the 80s' mode?!

Sarah Jane was smart.

You know who ELSE is smart? THE DOCTOR.

Guess Sarah Jane was just smarter.


I honestly don't know' - Vince is a blatant liar!!

Vince is supposed to tell a chap he's just met his origin story?

Vince could've kept things vague whilst expressing his respect for the extraordinary magic of whatshisface's uncle.

Vince wasn't being disrespectful, just careful.

Of course, the uncle in question was the landlord that appeared in Terror Of The Zygons. The inn has been kept in the family.


OMG you're making poor Larry work for the BLACK GUARDIAN now?!

The end of my story, Stone Circle, established that

Ah! I may have mentioned I now have insomnia on top of the chronic fatigue so my memory is shattered to hell.

With all the Doctor Who material you consume, it's easy to see how a few facts can be overlooked.


Bitter Pill??

'In the scriptures of the Falltino, this planet is called Kroptor, the bitter pill' says Ida, about a minute after saying ' Now, don't be stupid. It hasn't got a name. How could it have a name?'

??????????


I guess it's past time someone wrote an audio/novel to clean up Moffat's mess and explain how all those Zygons have LEFT EARTH NOW.

I'm sure Big Finish will get to it before long.

he Fourth Doctor said so, and who am I to argue with him?

When did he say that?

Well, he let it return to Loch Ness. Would he have done that if he thought it was still dangerous?

He might have just got bored with the whole adventure. Gods know I did. And he's not One/Two/Six/Ruth, he could hardly say 'Slaughter the poor dumb creature RIGHT NOW!' After the Silurians fiasco he probably ASSUMED the Brig would blow poor Nessie sky-high without him needing to get blood on his hands by so much as raising an eyebrow at his old chum.

Just can't help it, can you Emily :-)

Nope.

Sarah Jane was smart.

You know who ELSE is smart? THE DOCTOR.

Guess Sarah Jane was just smarter.

She let the git get away didn't she? Thirty years, THIRTY YEARS of misery. I know EXACTLY how that feels even though I 'only' had sixteen...

With all the Doctor Who material you consume, it's easy to see how a few facts can be overlooked.

You are too kind but I feel the onset of senility. I just can't follow my pro-euthanasia principles when there's still NEW EPISODES OF WHO!!!!!!!!!! to live for. Plus senility might suit me down to the ground. Imagine being able to watch, say, your favourite fifty Who stories on a loop AS IF FOR NEW EVERY TIME!

Bitter Pill??

'In the scriptures of the Falltino, this planet is called Kroptor, the bitter pill' says Ida, about a minute after saying ' Now, don't be stupid. It hasn't got a name. How could it have a name?'

??????????

You know, in The Impossible Planet.

(Who needs a memory when they have online transcripts?)

I guess it's past time someone wrote an audio/novel to clean up Moffat's mess and explain how all those Zygons have LEFT EARTH NOW.

I'm sure Big Finish will get to it before long.

Obviously they've gotta leave behind a few Osgoods. Also explain that any impression they may accidentally have given that they'd just SLAUGHTERED MOST OF LONDON was an unfortunate oversight and no Londoners have ACTUALLY been harmed.

Well, he let it return to Loch Ness. Would he have done that if he thought it was still dangerous?

He might have just got bored with the whole adventure. Gods know I did. And he's not One/Two/Six/Ruth, he could hardly say 'Slaughter the poor dumb creature RIGHT NOW!' After the Silurians fiasco he probably ASSUMED the Brig would blow poor Nessie sky-high without him needing to get blood on his hands by so much as raising an eyebrow at his old chum.

You can't kill Nessie!


You know, in The Impossible Planet.

I haven't seen it in years. Memory fades.


Obviously they've gotta leave behind a few Osgoods.

Sally and Vince met one of those Osgood's.

he probably ASSUMED the Brig would blow poor Nessie sky-high without him needing to get blood on his hands by so much as raising an eyebrow at his old chum.

You can't kill Nessie!

Course you can, she's not a CAT.

Though I suppose if she really IS a she, the Brig might have a fit of chivalrous hesitation, a la Hilda Winters...

You know, in The Impossible Planet.

I haven't seen it in years. Memory fades.

You know your duty.

Hey, Emily, perhaps you should try your hand at Doctor Who Fan Fiction.

Well, Emily, I promised you my own sequel to State Of Decay, and now I deliver for you to peruse at your convenience.

Enjoy:

https://www.fanfiction.net/s/13998563/1/The-Timelost-State-Of-Chaos

Still waiting with baited breath on what you think, Emily

Apologies, I was sort of...distracted by the end of the universe*...

Nice of you to dedicate it to Terrance Dicks, in the circumstances (said circumstances including BLOOD HARVEST and SAVE YOURSELF...)

'In the test' - 'In the text' 'as he remember' - 'as he remembered' 'Larry though sadly' - 'Larry thought sadly' 'They just been'- 'They've just been' 'took at look' - 'took a look' 'their should be' - 'there should be' 'one a turret' - 'one turret' 'dark hard' - 'dark hair' 'an into' - 'and into' 'three hundred year' - 'three hundred years' 'Haven't you guess' - 'Haven't you guessed' 'two wooden stick' - 'two wooden sticks' etc...

The Black Guardian believes that SALLY AND VINCE are the only interference he'll face to his evil plans?

I'm not convinced Vince would say 'Hell' so often. And CERTAINLY not in the presence of a member of the Fairer Sex...

(I'd also complain about 'gotten' - these people are BRITISH! - but after JODIE! treacherously used the dread word in Fugitive...)

Love the way Vince doesn't even think about finding food and water on an alien world until his stomach starts rumbling. Despite your inexplicable fondness for the guy, you haven't broken character by giving him too many braincells...

'The Brave Doctor and the Fair Romana' - that's just SEXIST! And what about Darling K9 and Trying-His-Best Adric!

I'd complain about how easily Larry dumped 'em in E-Space if that godawful Kairos Ring audio hadn't had people nipping back and forward from N-Space to E-Space like they're COMMUTERS.

'But why were they living such a primitive lifestyle?' - surely Sally would ASSUME people marooned on an uninhabited world would soon devolve into a primitive lifestyle?

Why would Sally think that it would be BAD news to Tebbits that the Three who had imprisoned him were dead? Or that he wouldn't have NOTICED they were dead?

Sally made Vince watch Twilight? Hasn't the poor guy suffered enough?

If peace talks are taking a year they're not going WELL.

*I mean, by the fact SPOILERS FOR FLUX the Flux event wasn't undone, I'm not the histrionic type to claim that a season of Who being over is the end of the universe...**

**OK, I totally am but not when there's a Special coming up in less than a month...

Sorry for all those typos. Guess I shouldn't try to proofread at three in the morning.

Moving on...


Nice of you to dedicate it to Terrance Dicks

Kind of had to here. Aside from being the creator of Vince, he wrote the story that is is a sequel to.


The Black Guardian believes that SALLY AND VINCE are the only interference he'll face to his evil plans?

At the moment, yes. JODIE's attention is elsewhere.


I'm not convinced Vince would say 'Hell' so often.

Living in the 21st Century is rubbing off on him, it seems.


Love the way Vince doesn't even think about finding food and water on an alien world until his stomach starts rumbling. Despite your inexplicable fondness for the guy, you haven't broken character by giving him too many braincells...

Cut the guy a little slack here. From the moment he and Sally arrived on the planet, they found themselves in the middle of a war, we're captured, interrogated, escape and such. Events were moving pretty fast for them.

When things finally slowed down, their thoughts turned to food and water.


'The Brave Doctor and the Fair Romana' - that's just SEXIST!

It is?


And what about Darling K9 and Trying-His-Best Adric!

Did any of the rebels actually meet Adders before the end of SOD? And all he did was get one of their number killed. Can't blame them for leaving him off that memorial.


'But why were they living such a primitive lifestyle?' - surely Sally would ASSUME people marooned on an uninhabited world would soon devolve into a primitive lifestyle?

But these people had a spaceship, after all.


Why would Sally think that it would be BAD news to Tebbits that the Three who had imprisoned him were dead? Or that he wouldn't have NOTICED they were dead?

But he did know. He commented that Miles, Lauren, and Anthony had shuffled off the mortal coil (and he kept calling them by their original names).

Guess you noticed those bits where I took us back to the arrival of the Hydrax on the planet and the Great Vampire turning them. Wanted to show how the Four became the Three by the time the Doctor and Romana arrived.


Sally made Vince watch Twilight? Hasn't the poor guy suffered enough?

Well, Vince did find those movies silly. Loved taking that dig at those stupid movies.


If peace talks are taking a year they're not going WELL.

Peace talks don't just take a week or so. Sometimes it can take months to hammer out all the details and such. Yes, Tebbits caused the war, but not all the issues would just disappear once he was gone (like the issues of WWII didn't vanish the moment Hitler snuffed it).

Still, as the story is ending, a treaty has been signed and the war is over.

Surprised you didn't mention Captain Jack's appearance at the end.

The Black Guardian believes that SALLY AND VINCE are the only interference he'll face to his evil plans?

Actually, on second thoughts, the nit should be...the Black Guardian still EXISTS? RTG claimed in one of the Annuals (on the one hand, Annuals aren't canon but on the other...RTG!!) that the Guardians fled the universe when the Time War broke out, which would certainly explain why they weren't an issue during Flux.

I'm not convinced Vince would say 'Hell' so often.

Living in the 21st Century is rubbing off on him, it seems.

Fair enough.

'The Brave Doctor and the Fair Romana' - that's just SEXIST!

It is?

You're judging the man on his characteristics and the woman on her LOOKS.

Plus, the Fourth Doctor's gorgeous too!

And what about Darling K9 and Trying-His-Best Adric!

Did any of the rebels actually meet Adders before the end of SOD? And all he did was get one of their number killed. Can't blame them for leaving him off that memorial.

Fair enough, though it's later revealed that the kind mechanical dog went down in history, as well he should.

'But why were they living such a primitive lifestyle?' - surely Sally would ASSUME people marooned on an uninhabited world would soon devolve into a primitive lifestyle?

But these people had a spaceship, after all.

How much use would one spaceship be in the circumstances?

Why would Sally think that it would be BAD news to Tebbits that the Three who had imprisoned him were dead? Or that he wouldn't have NOTICED they were dead?

But he did know.

I know, but he's been around for years so why would Sally assume he didn't?

Guess you noticed those bits where I took us back to the arrival of the Hydrax on the planet and the Great Vampire turning them. Wanted to show how the Four became the Three by the time the Doctor and Romana arrived.

Yeah, I was dubious about the Four thing at first but you actually got away with it.

If peace talks are taking a year they're not going WELL.

Peace talks don't just take a week or so. Sometimes it can take months to hammer out all the details and such. Yes, Tebbits caused the war, but not all the issues would just disappear once he was gone

But there WEREN'T really any issues. Except Tebbits.

Surprised you didn't mention Captain Jack's appearance at the end.

I didn't think you'd appreciate me wondering why he's bothering to rescue Vince.

Actually, on second thoughts, the nit should be...the Black Guardian still EXISTS? RTG claimed in one of the Annuals (on the one hand, Annuals aren't canon but on the other...RTG!!) that the Guardians fled the universe when the Time War broke out, which would certainly explain why they weren't an issue during Flux.

Simple, the BG came back at some point. As to where he was in Flux, he could have just hunkered down here on Earth. JODIE was just too preoccupied to notice.


'The Brave Doctor and the Fair Romana' - that's just SEXIST!

It is?

You're judging the man on his characteristics and the woman on her LOOKS.

Well, that rebel group was made up of all men, remember.


though it's later revealed that the kind mechanical dog went down in history, as well he should.

Yeah, Mori and her father mention him when they recount the uprising to Sally and Vince.


Why would Sally think that it would be BAD news to Tebbits that the Three who had imprisoned him were dead? Or that he wouldn't have NOTICED they were dead?

But he did know.

I know, but he's been around for years so why would Sally assume he didn't?

Sally just wanted to rub his face in it.

Granted, not the wisest thing to say to a homicidal vampire with delusions of grandeur, but sometimes humans can be silly.


I was dubious about the Four thing at first but you actually got away with it.

Thank you.


Peace talks don't just take a week or so. Sometimes it can take months to hammer out all the details and such. Yes, Tebbits caused the war, but not all the issues would just disappear once he was gone

But there WEREN'T really any issues. Except Tebbits.

Diplomats move slowly.


Surprised you didn't mention Captain Jack's appearance at the end.

I didn't think you'd appreciate me wondering why he's bothering to rescue Vince.

Poor Vince just can't catch a break with you, can he.

You're judging the man on his characteristics and the woman on her LOOKS.

Well, that rebel group was made up of all men, remember.

Some of whom are likely to be gay...

Sally just wanted to rub his face in it.

Why would Sally think Tebbits would be upset that the people who imprisoned him were dead?

Poor Vince just can't catch a break with you, can he.

He'll have to save a LOT more planets before I see the point of him...

Poor Vince just can't catch a break with you, can he.

He'll have to save a LOT more planets before I see the point of him...

Challenge accepted!

You're not gonna get away with Vince saving many more planets while Sally stands around uselessly. Well, not unless the planet's problem is an over-abundance of capitalism, in which case he's TOTALLY the guy to set fire to all their money...

You're not gonna get away with Vince saving many more planets while Sally stands around uselessly.

If there is any more planet saving to be done, both Vince and Sally will play a role. I got this.


Well, not unless the planet's problem is an over-abundance of capitalism, in which case he's TOTALLY the guy to set fire to all their money...

You're never gonna let Vince live that down, are you.

Emily, I have a new Who Fan Fiction up at Gallifrey Base called A Visit To A Dead Planet. I'll post a link, but, of course, you'll have to log in to read it.

As for any typos you may see, after a certain time, you cannot edit your posts at GB (a policy that I do NOT like or agree with). Sorry, it's out of my control (I do plan to post this story on my FF.net account in the future but for now, it's a GB Exclusive). So please don't bother pointing out the typos this time.

Hope you enjoy it:


https://gallifreybase.com/gb/threads/a-visit-to-a-dead-planet-a-gallifrey-base-exclusive.308787/

It's certainly a lively story but blatant magic and Tegan/Nyssa porn and homicidal-Nyssa just aren't my sort of thing...

...You'd've got away with it though, if Power of the Doctor hadn't revealed that Farewell, Sarah Jane was LYING about the Nyssa/Tegan marriage...

Tegan/Nyssa porn

You did notice that I kept all the heavy breathing stuff off camera.


homicidal-Nyssa

But that was the whole point. The event of this story forced Nyssa to confront the trauma of losing Traken (something the show never bothered with). Here she was confronted with yet another genocidal megalomaniac.

In fact, in Nyssa's eyes, Jadis was even worse than the Master, in that she had wiped out her own race (unlike the Master, who had been an alien to Traken). If Jadis was willing to slaughter everyone on her own world, then she would probably have no compunctions to doing it to other worlds. In Nyssa's view, Jadis had to be stopped, permanently.

However, as you saw, Nyssa didn't go through with it. Tegan was able to talk her down by making Nyssa confront her true feelings, that she was taking the rage she felt about the Master (and his role in the destruction of Traken), out on Jadis. Nyssa is not a murderer and Tegan knew that.


Power of the Doctor hadn't revealed that Farewell, Sarah Jane was LYING about the Nyssa/Tegan marriage

What marriage? Nothing was said that they didn't have a romantic relationship while travelling in the TARDIS. I have wiggle room here.


I'm sorry you didn't like it, Emily. Most of those that read it on GB seemed to like it.

Actually I thought it was remarkably readable given how much I hated every premise.

Thank you, Emily. Sorry about my above comment then.

Nyssa was horribly underused on the show. I enjoyed giving her the spotlight here.

Actually, from what I tell of Castrovalva and Four to Doomsday, she's basically doing almost everything and seems to be plot-important. They're arguably "Nyssa episodes". Kinda's a Nyssa-Lite, but you've got Karuna as the token alien teenage girl.

Now, KoT\Logopolis Nyssa. She's basically a female Adric counterpart, slash living plot device.

And for Tegan\Nyssa, I kinda ship all three sides of the Tegan\Nyssa\Adric polycule. And I think Nyssa and Peri will return.

As I said, I will eventually post a copy of this story to my FF.net account.

So those who aren't GB members can read it.

Given there's a few people posting links to their Doctor Who writings here and elsewhere on the site, I thought it would be OK to post this here:

CHANCE TO WRITE FOR DOCTOR WHO CHARITY COLLECTION: SHADOW OF THE GALLIFREYAN
Altrix Book's anthology considers the after-effects of the Doctor’s presence in a televised adventure. The things they leave behind, physically and emotionally. It’s the ‘what happened next’ as told from the perspective of some of the individuals who encountered them.

The initial callout can read here: http://www.altrixbooks.com/2021/08/the-shadow-of-gallifreyan-call-for.html

Ignore all the deadlines given; they're still looking for stories. I've submitted several myself but they've still got a way to go in completing the project.

So, if you're interested, email altrixbooks@virginmedia.com and state which story you would like to do and what character you will be using. They'll get back in touch and say whether you've got the go-ahead (ie don't start writing yet because the story might have been reserved for someone else in the interim).

The stories still available are at https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rbi7zsqy1eVhCEeSHTJvwrdnMnNa_x9n/edit

Like what happened in Nerva when the Doctor, Sarah, and Harry failed to return from Earth (because the Time Lords grabbed them and sent them to Skaro).

I sent my Reign of Keeper Luvic in.

Well, THAT would be...short and sweet.

@Tim... sounds like a great idea - The Ark in Space is still available.

Funny, in my second Timelost story, I show what happened at Fang Rock after the Doctor and Leela left. Torchwood Southampton came and found that Vince was alive, took him back to their HQ, and ended up freezing him. And this was a few years ago, before this project started.


Gaia: I sent my Reign of Keeper Luvic in.

Emily: Well, THAT would be...short and sweet.

Actually, Emily, it will be easier for Gaia to save Luvic than it was for me to save Vince. Reason being is that you don't actually SEE Luvic die, you just assume he did when Traken was destroyed.

But who's to say that he didn't make it out somehow. Either by himself or someone saved him (like Nyssa was saved by the Watcher). A good author can come up with a good way to pull it off.

I will save Luvic! I "Luv" him too much to not save him. ;D

I thought to do a Terminus timetravel thing, with Nyssa herself saving Traken by miniaturizing it and moving it close to the Milky Way.

Actually, is the planet we actually see destroyed, even Traken? It is the same planet that we see the Melkur end up in KoT, but might be another planet o' Mettula Orionsis. It's a brown planet with a green moon, but Traken seems to be an oliveish planet with a white moon. Mettula Orionsis has three planets. Those seem to be: Traken, the purple one w\red moon, and the brown w\green moon. Though I've heard that the white and purple things seen at Tremas and Kassia's wedding night were holographic fireworks. And red might be a planet too.

If Traken is the brown planet with the green moon, which it seems to be, then curiously only Traken and its moon seem to be being destroyed in the shot, but could it be a teleportation?

Anyways: https://archiveofourown.org/works/41701047/chapters/110018559#workskin

I will be going with a Skonnos/Aneth thing since they seem to be near Traken and import/export weapons.

Unfortunately, The Keeper of Traken has already been taken... the only Nyssa story left is Snakedance (https://docs.google.com/document/d/1Rbi7zsqy1eVhCEeSHTJvwrdnMnNa_x9n/edit) - but the idea is to focus on characters that aren't the Doctor or his/her companions and explore what might have happened next after the story or the effect the encounter might have had. (The Horns of Nimon has also already been taken)

This is why I put a claim on my boy Tommy Connolly.

And also, some stories such as Edge of Destruction only have regulars, do you run the story on the scissor's POV? Or do you pretend that at the time, the TARDIS was somewhere where there were characters from later stories (young Colin Skinner? Old Tommy Connolly? Denis Carey Keeper when he's a Consul?)? Do you make it about the beginning of the solar system? Do you tie it in the Eleven era episode where the TARDIS was the sun?

That's where you need to be creative... I picked Mission to the Unknown as one of my stories.

All these posts and stories should be moved to a fan fiction section. None of this falls under the heading 'Calling the Moderator'.

My apologies... I had seen people post fan fiction under this thread and thought this was the most likely place to capture people interested in writing for this anthology.

I don't think it's fanfiction proper, I think it will get a wiki page.

We should have a page for the book.

No apologies necessary Chris, we didn't have a fanfic page but we do now...

Thanks, Emily.

Anyway, I uploaded a copy of Visit To A Dead Planet to my FF.net account, so those who aren't GB members can read it:


https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14171168/1/Visit-To-A-Dead-Planet

Yeah crossovers!

And over to Timelost, I've suggested some tips for Vince and Sally's future on FFNet.

And I've realized the names Barnia and Styrol, after the words Barn and Styre. Or at least named after people with those names.

Thanks for the reviews, Gaia. They are much appreciated

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/2023/01/07/larrivo-di-luvic-cookie/

Luvic Cookie has come.

https://mobile.twitter.com/LuvicOfTraken

He has a Twitter account too!

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/2023/01/24/il-mio-primo-episodio-di-doctor-who-stones-and-memories/

I wrote my first 'Who episode.

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/2023/02/27/traken-returns/

I brought Traken back.

The charity collection SHADOW OF THE GALLIFREYAN has now been released. As mentioned above, I have a few stories in it (apologies to Emily).

The stories focus on characters and places, *after* the Doctor encountered them i.e. what happened next? All money raised goes to Shelter UK, a charity for the homeless.

So, how can you order?
UK: https://tinyurl.com/shadowUK

For other regions, visit Amazon and search “Shadow of the Gallifreyan”.

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/2023/06/14/cranleigh-e-luvic-si-ritrovano-dopo-6-anni/

Cranleigh and Luvic meet each other again in my roleswap AU!

Yes, Nyssa's name is Cranleigh in this AU.

Ann could visit Traken.

I had an idea for a Charles x Ann Traken honeymoon and they meet baby seron as well as kid Katura and zorca

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/2023/06/21/ann-and-charles-traken-honeymoon/

So, this is something I made over a year ago but never shared. I had wanted to revise chapter 2 but never did.

It's a Companion Chronicle-type story, but of a companion we haven't seen yet, thus allowing me not to worry about my accent. I actually never named him. Being the narrator, he never needed to refer to himself by name.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvuinOe435I

(I have a better de-esser now.)

You DEFINITELY should have got an imaginary cat.

WOULD the beard and nails grow if other bodily functions are frozen? I mean, you didn't know at the time about this weird food-teleporting thing.

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/2023/06/29/tetra-deca-un-dottore-che-combina-il-quarto-e-il-decimo/

Been over a year now since I last touched base with Sally and Vince.

I ave an idea were I want to send them next, but it's getting it down that's stonewalling me (and Real Life as been getting in the way as well).

If there are any updates, I'll keep you all posted.

Do a Next Generation, give them a kid who grows up to be… someone’s Companion. And meets kids/parents of other Doctor Who characters. Not only that, we could see how other planets developed or were at different points of their history.

Or maybe maybe 🤔 you could scratch that and make a spin-off of someone else. Just pick a random character, maybe one who you haven’t really thought about before but who has a personality and appearance who you like or is similiar to you or someone you know, maybe even someone from an episode you don’t really like much, have them randomly end up in a random planet (doesn’t have to be an human or Earth, you can easily make a Zanak or Aneth or Chloris themed spin-off), in fact you could save a character you like from a setting you don’t like, you could play off in historical episode characters surviving into classic who present day times, or something set in the 1990s with both classic and nu characters, or nu characters as kids during classic times, or classic characters as older people during nu times.

I thought of the savages, it would be interesting if the elders are descended from the ark colonists, and the savages are the natives. Would put a colonialism spin of actual (and possibly visibly mixed race) humans enslaving an human-looking (and possibly very white-looking, or looks like a whiter version of them) species.

Because that’s feasibly what would happen at first contact between two human-looking species.

Heck I’m not sure they all would have the same exact phenotypes we don’t, we could have a phenotype that doesn’t exist on earth? Technically we already got something of the likes in one of the Cybermen episodes where we meet those brown people with those long knob head and those giant eye sockets. But you’d assume that Gallifrey, Skaro, Earth, Traken, Alzarius, and Trion don’t have the exact same phenotypes as each other.

The Keepermas was an ancient celebration on Traken, celebrating the anniversary of the rise of each Keeper.

and the last Keepermas on Traken, was the 2999th Keepermas.

it wasn’t just a Keepermas, though. Zorca had retired, and Luvic had taken her place. This, was Luvics first day as a Consul.

Traken was a really small planet (it could fit inside an Earth city as it was about a diameter of 150 meters) and it had been ruled by a small Consular Nobility. Every 1000 years, one of them was elected as the Keeper.

The Keeper was the figurative ruler of the planet, he was a battery for the source, which turned evil to stone and kept a Mediterranean climate in all the planet. Basically glorified tech support. That’s what happens when you are a small planet, after all.

Tremas, Nyssa, Luvic, Kassia, Katura, Zorca, Seron, Neman, the Fosters, and the rest of the Consular Nobility, and also their handmaiden Yaesa, were celebrating Keepermas in the Traken Castles main hall, in front of the old Keeper.

As everyone in the castle woke up, they prepared each other and got there, so they could begin the festivities. Tremas and Nyssa offered Yaesa to cook all three of them together, instead of just having artificially made food from the food generator.

There was a lot of many kinds of food, and the guests were launching it as each other. A lot of people passed out and/or got drunk! The main piece was of course the Kipper of Traken, which is fished on nearby planet SeaTraken, which is all sea. Traken proper has no sea, but SeaTraken is also part of the Traken union.

Then Zorca and Luvic got up. The old keeper recited that Luvic was now the new consul as he was next in line. Everyone clapped.

Then everyone danced and sang traditional Trakenite Keepermas dances and songs.

But nobody knew… it was going to be the last, and that Tremas wouldn’t get to be Keeper…

Tremas got possessed by the Master, his body eventually got buried in New Mexico.

It had been Luvic that became the Keeper instead.

Nyssa went to find the Master, and Traken got destroyed.

Time passed. When she was with the Doctor, Nyssa celebrated Keepermas in the TARDIS.

they celebrated a bit from everyone’s planets. Nyssa liked learning about her new friends celebrations.

There was that Keepermas celebrated with Adric, Tegan, and the Doctor, with fireworks at the Eye of Orion, where she and Tegan shared a sweet kiss and dance together… only for Adric to slap Tegan and kiss Nyssa instead.

Oh, and that cricket match, too.

And then there was yet another Keepermas, after Adrics death, Nyssa and Tegan had gotten even closer to each other. They often spoke a mix of each others languages with each other. Nyssa had begun to cook Earth food often, more than she cooked gallifreyan or alzarian food. And she had begun to wear Earth clothing sometimes, while Tegan sometimes was seen in Trakenite clothing too.

She had stopped being the girl who got her father possessed by the Master, she had become, Tegans girlfriend. They had stopped to both a past Traken and a future earth to get married in both planets.

Which means technically they’re wiwes but in neither of their home times.

Tegan and Nyssa had spent their second Keepermas together cuddling each other and drinking stardust chocolate with marshmallows. You could see space in them… (the chocolate, not the marshmallows… or was it?) And they were watching an AI-generated anime adaptation of Trakens last days. They kissed each other again.

Then Nyssa departed, and for 40 years, she celebrated Keepermas on Terminus alongside the Garm, Olvir, Kari, and Inga. The Garm was a giant space dog from a radioactive planet, but Olvir, Kari, and Inga were technically also humans, descended from the crew of a crash landed Scandinavian spaceship that somehow found itself on a planet named Helheim, near the center of the universe. Terminus, having been the universes catalyst, was also originally from the universe before this. And it could travel in time. Technically, they could’ve had every Keepermas ever…

The five of them spent their first Keepermas cutting Yule logs and watching the Traken anime on the Terminus widescreen. Sometimes the gang nipped by Helheim to play in the snow, or used the Terminus holodeck!

Oh, those were good times!

Time passed, the Traken anime got substituted by “Spark of the Daylight” (the Vanir equivalent of an hallmark Christmas movie), Kari and Olvir had a daughter named Yoni and a son named Gebert, the Garm retired, a reader of dreams named Lasarti got hired to work on Terminus. Nyssa adopted a daughter too, named Neeka, who was actually descended from relatives of Tegan, her biological parents had died of lazars disease. Lasarti and Inga eventually also fell in love and they had a son together named Venyes. He was the youngest of the gangs children.

As the kids grew up, they saw many Keepermases, and eventually Spark of the Daylight got substituted by a documentary Nyssa made. And the kids played ”Starlight Dyancy”, the Vanir equivalent of Kingdom Hearts. They also watched their own dreams which Lasarti read.

Nyssa and Neeka eventually fought in the Time War together as part of Terminus Inc., with Kari, Olvir, Gebert, Lasarti, Inga, and Venyes as trusted Allies. And so even the time war got it’s own Keepermas.

While the Doctor and whoever his companion was at the time, often visited her, this Keepermas had not only the war Doctor and cinder present, but also Susan foreman, Leela, romana, John and Gillian, Narvin, braxatiel, Damon, maxil, Andred, Rodan, Ohica, the war master, the war Rani, Ace mcshane, Melanie bush, and their daughter together Kath mcshane, Maggie Matsumoto, xanxia, Duggan, Benny Summerfield, Peter Summerfield, the two K9s, and ping Cho. The doctors son and daughter (Susan’s father, and John and Gillian’s mother) were also there, and so was the doctors younger sister.

They had a 51st century earth style rave. They also drank a lot of spiked gallifreyan punch.

Time passed and eventually it came time to retire. Nyssa decided to go to an home she truly found… with Tegan.

They could marry each other again, and be a family alongside Andy and Neeka as siblings, and Loki as their robot, and a mini-source named Mr. Jovanka!

Their first Keepermas together in Brisbane was them drinking spumante while watching Nyssas documentary and the dreams she had õf Traken back then. The Doctor and Ruby had come, but so did the rest of the family. Andy and Neeka with their own kids, Colin and Robin with their adopted daughter. And from unit we had Kate, osgood, Gordon, and Roger. Ace and Mel brought Kath, and Peri arrived with Grace Holloway. Even them got their happy ending! A lot of people from all over, including Nyssas old Keepermas mates from terminus, Kari, Olvir, Inga, Lasarti, and their families.

And as time passed, the family slowly grew. Turlough had decided to visit us, now having married Juras Maateh and having a son Kilron, heir to both Imperial families.

Even Chela and Lon started to come, despite Lon and the Mara having become recurring villains in our lives.

Prof Todd even once brought Karuna and Aris to meet us!

And it even turned out, I, Nyssa, wasn’t even the last Trakenite at all!

There are now three Trakenites all living in Brisbane!

We once found Luvic on Silebetem Tree praying at an orange rock he named Katura, and also it turns out that a Trakenite Peasant named Nana had also ended up here through a time bubble.

Maybe not all is done…

For our last Keepermas, Nana, Luvic, Tegan, Karuna, and I used the Consular Rings… And got Traken back…

and so all of us went back to Traken and since now Luvic and Katura are the same age… they ended their Keepermas by getting married!

That 40th Anniversary Of Season 20 video got the wheels in my head turning for a new Timelost story.

Of course, when it's done, a link to it will be posted here.

I made a new fic apparently we Tigella now

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/2023/07/28/si-innamorano-di-una-cornacchia/

Translating your story into English (tank you, Google Translate).

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The Fifteenth Doctor and Ruby Sunday were in their TARDIS.

Ruby: Doctor! I had a great idea!

Fifteenth Doctor: And what idea?

Ruby: I had a dream where I knew a girl named Tigella, we ate nice Tigella with nutella!

Doctor: Tigella like the sandwich?

Ruby: No, I felt it was Tigella like the planet…

At that point the Fifteenth Doctor's eyes open.

Fifteenth Doctor: Cowabunga!

The Fifteenth Doctor smashes some TARDIS switches!

Ruby: What are you going to do! I was talking about-

Fifteenth Doctor: Don't worry 😨 Ruby, we're simply full of tigelle!

Ruby: Maybe literally!

Fifteenth Doctor: What are you saying Ruby!

Ruby: This planet is literally called Tigella!

Fifteenth Doctor: Oh, I went there a long time ago. 45 years have passed, well 45 years for you and for Tigella, for me instead there have been 11 regenerations… at least I think… wibbly wobbly timey wimey…

Ruby: Then let's go out! What are you waiting for!

The Fifteenth Doctor and Ruby exit the TARDIS.

They end up on a very calm and somewhat alien and futuristic city, with hanging gardens on futuristic and slender white buildings, almost in the middle of greenery, even if some of this green is technically purple or lilac.

Ruby: Very nice!

Fifteenth Doctor: It is Vesåd, the capital of Tigella. After the Dodecahedron was destroyed and the Gaztak disbanded to end up on their home planets, being from different species, Tigella returned to peace, and the Tigellans emerged from the bunker to reclaim their mighty city. They even managed to make first contact with nearby Argolis!

Ruby: Argolis? Are you taking me there too?

Fifteenth Doctor: Cacierto! Cowabunga!

…

Ruby and the Fifteenth Doctor are walking the streets of Vesåd. The Fifteenth Doctor is checking things out with his sonic screwdriver.

Ruby: Doctor do you think something is going on?

Fifteenth Doctor: Diakh!

Ruby: Always typing fifteenth doctor all the holy times is too unpleasant, can I instead call you fifteen or 15?

15: Cowabunga!

And so 15 and Ruby walked through the streets of Vesäd, and they notice a girl who is shouting being chased by a crow… a crow about to be followed by two boys!

Ruby: What's going on Doctor!?! Typical of this planet?

15: I don't think so, I've been there like 6 times!

Ruby: what do you say 15, we'll try to chase the crow, teehee! 🤭

15: Cowabunga!

15 and Ruby meet the crow, and run into Caris and Deedrix! By now Caris is 70 years old and Deedrix 75.

Caris: Hi guys you would be the Doctor and Romana right?

Deedrix: You look so young since I last saw you!

Ruby: No, I'm not a Roman devouring moon, I'm not even a Roman eating tiger 🫥🤷🏼‍

15: devour and something no longer works with me!

Ruby: I'm Ruby Sunday, I'm from Earth!

Deedrix: Oh you're related to that guy who was possessed by Meglos! However I am Deedrix, the Leader of Tigella since the death of Zastor. She is my wife and Caris deputy leader, I am 75 she is 70 and we have now been married for 40 years! Together we have three children: Reson aged 39, Åsmi aged 36, and Bulta aged 33, who have now moved away and have children of their own.

Ruby: I never actually met my biological family, I was adopted from birth. So it could be…

Caris: However, you can enter. Our labs are developing an enzyme!

Ruby, 15, Caris, Deedrix enter.

Ruby: How come?

Caris: In recent months, an epidemic has escalated… everyone is falling in love… WITH A CROW!

15: Oh my cowabunga!

Ruby: Don't worry, we'll take care of it!

Deedrix: Think you're an alien crow?

Caris: see that we too are alien to them and vice versa 😅

Deedrix: In Tigella you have hardly ever seen such a thing!

At one point, Deedrix hears an alarm from his computer.

Deedrix: She's our daughter Reson, she wants us at the lab. They finished synthesizing the enzyme!

15: Cowabunga!

Deedrix, Caris, 15, and Ruby teleport to Reson's lab.

Reson, his wife and assistant Argolian Peftol, his sister Åsmi, and his brother Bulta were synthesizing an enzyme.

15: Ah, you're working!

Reson: Diakh! We're almost done! Now we will all go to the square and we will spray everyone!

15: Cowabunga!

Ruby: Spray Hermitage as the hermit!

15, Ruby, Deedrix, Caris, Reson, Peftol, Åsmi, and Bulta are spraying the enzyme all over the place. Eventually, in the main square, they meet the Crow.

Crow: caw maw!

Peftol: Bring it on!

15, Ruby, Deedrix, Caris, Reson, Peftol, Åsmi, and Bulta Spray Enzyme On The Crow!

The crow dies.

Finally, 15, Ruby, and all the family of Caris and Deedrix are at the crow's funeral.

Reson and Peftol have three half Tigellan half Argolan children, 9-year-old Kåsi, 6-year-old Potovi, and 3-year-old Umyu.

Åsmi and his wife Varkat have 6-year-old Virochå, 3-year-old Mumau, and a newborn Ankilo.

Bulta and her husband Ulmiria have a 3-year-old Zoubi and a newborn Haud.

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ere is a preview of my upcoming Timelost story.


The four of them found themselves standing in what appeared to be a glade at night. “Where are we now?” Sally asked.
“There is no actual translation, so call it Serenity.” Nyssa said. “The last surviving world of the Traken Union.” She stopped for a moment and then added. “My home.”
“What happened to the rest of this Union?” Vince asked.
“It was destroyed, due to the machinations of an evil Time Lord called the Master,” Nyssa replied and then gestured to the sky. On one side, stars could be seen, while on the other side was only blackness, as far as the eye could see. “All the other worlds, including the one I was born on, are gone.”
“I’m so sorry, Nyssa,” Sally said soothingly. She tried to imagine how she would react if she had found out that Earth no longer existed. A chilling idea, she thought.
“It’s all right,” Nyssa said. “I worked out my anger years ago, ironically due to someone very much like the Master. Another long story.”
At that point, a bearded young man walked up to the group. “Nyssa, daughter of Tremas, is that really you!?” he asked.
“Yes, it’s me,” Nyssa replied. “It’s good to see you again, Luvic. It’s been a long time.”
“Yes, it has,” the young man said and then turned to Sally, Vince, and Captain Jack. “My name is Luvic, current Keeper Of Traken.”

Luvic didn't have the decency to go down with his planet?!

Someone has to lead the surviving Trakenites.

Luvic has the decency to date Emma Grayling (the assistant from Hide) - Traken IS a decent planet!

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/2023/08/03/emma-e-luvic-grayling-si-sposano-si-li-ho-cominciati-a-shippare/

Of course, I'm pretty sure that as most of my passions are like 1 year long and vaguely caused by obsessions, I'm sure that in a few months I will be doing something completely else...

And here is the new Timelost story. I dedicated this one to Gaia, as she helped inspire it.


https://www.fanfiction.net/s/14264482/1/The-Timelost-Guises-Of-The-Mind

Yup it was nice

I commented a lot about it over on doctor who central\trakenbase

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/2023/08/09/la-cornacchia/

And here's the crow from my fic as it looked.

Guess I'm keeping it as my main 'Who villain.

Classic Who had the Daleks for the One Era, then the Cybermen for Two Era, then the Delgado Master for Three Era, then Davros for Four Era, then the Ainley Master for Five Era, and the Six and Seven Eras were too short but the Rani comes closest I guess.

And NuWho's was the Weeping Angels.

And if I were doing NuNuWho it'd be this crow. It's an actual, physical, alien giant crow, the second story is set in Brighton and the third is set in its own planet.

And here is the new Timelost story.

It's...OK but really starting to feel...fanficky. Which is obviously quite understandable, in the circumstances. Could do with a good proofread.

Nyssa not being around for Tegan's possession by the Mara isn't REALLY a long story. ('I was asleep in the TARDIS.')

I'm not sure LINDA is a 'group' any more, more like one man and his paving slab...

I really HATE this Serenity thing but at least you do better with it than Guardians of Prophecy manages...

Um, when did Nyssa work her anger out (also...WHAT anger!)?

Yeah, like Nyssa cares if the Doc lost a regeneration saving the universe when she was happy for him to lose EIGHT 'saving' her from a luxury spaceship...

LOVE the 'little Trakenite trollop'.

Nyssa never bothered telling HER WIFE she was no longer the last of her kind?

'The more strong minds that are involved, the better our chances' - so why choose VINCE not, say, CAPTAIN JACK who's STANDING RIGHT THERE?

Vince n'Sally can drive the Mara away with the force of their love but somehow Tegan's love for Nyssa never affected it until now?

Why does Luvic think people teleporting (or whatever) away is so amazing, surely during his Keepership he flitted around the place on his magic chair?

Bridget's daughter could have been on rehab and decided to join Elton and Ursula. OR MAYBE new characters joined, such as Chloe Webber.

I think it means that while she travelled with the Doctor, Adric, Tegan, and Turlough, she changed. She did'nt want anymore to live a Trakenite life in a place with Trakenite culture, her home was now travelling in the TARDIS with her new family.

I thought Jack's mind might have become "more than human" and would'nt work anymore.

And that's propably just Love Ick being Love Ick.

OR MAYBE new characters joined, such as Chloe Webber.

Hasn't LINDA suffered enough?

her home was now travelling in the TARDIS with her new family.

Until she ditched 'em all for some lepers, you mean...

Ok maybe not Chloe maybe Duggan or Jericho or someone who is actually a liked side character. Maybe brigadier bambera? Or shou ying? Or a really old Tommy Connolly. There’s a bunch of peepers eligible for it.

Yeah that too. She’s propably one of the characters who has grown the most.

I really HATE this Serenity thing but at least you do better with it than Guardians of Prophecy manages

I know the novels and Audios were ahead of me on this, but, since I don't follow either as much as you do, I now little about Serenity. I know it was a Trakenite world tat was saved, to I went wit tat. Of course, I put Luvic there, but I did that for Gaia.


Um, when did Nyssa work her anger out (also...WHAT anger!)?

That was a wink to my previous story, Visit To A Dead Planet, in which I included such a scene.


Yeah, like Nyssa cares if the Doc lost a regeneration saving the universe when she was happy for him to lose EIGHT 'saving' her from a luxury spaceship...

Nyssa was just remembering the incident here.


LOVE the 'little Trakenite trollop'.

Sounded like something the Mara would say.


Nyssa never bothered telling HER WIFE she was no longer the last of her kind?

See my response about Serenity above.


'The more strong minds that are involved, the better our chances' - so why choose VINCE not, say, CAPTAIN JACK who's STANDING RIGHT THERE?

But Vince has a strong mind as well.


Vince n'Sally can drive the Mara away with the force of their love but somehow Tegan's love for Nyssa never affected it until now?

It was the love of all four of them (Nyssa/Tegan and Sally/Vince) boosted by the resonator, tat did the job. And even then, Tegan as doubts that the Mara is truly gone.


Guess you saw the bit were I revealed that the Black Guardian was present at the lighthouse wen the Rutan attacked Vince. That will be followed up on, trust me.

And I did a tribute to the end of Power Of The Doctor, when Tegan introduces Nyssa, Sally, and Vince to the former Companions

Yup the Serenity in the audio does'nt have Luvic. Instead it seems to be characters who were already living on Serenity when Traken got destroyed.

Actually, I'm not even sure that Luvic WASN'T born on Serenity. We know so little about him.

If the Mara returns you could make it on Manussa or say a Manussan colony and have Lon and Chela there!

And I did a tribute to the end of Power Of The Doctor, when Tegan introduces Nyssa, Sally, and Vince to the former Companions

I have every hope that Sally & Vince will be tossed out as Not True Companions.

They could end up companions of Susan or romana or someone else

And I did a tribute to the end of Power Of The Doctor, when Tegan introduces Nyssa, Sally, and Vince to the former Companions

I have every hope that Sally & Vince will be tossed out as Not True Companions.

Sally and Vince may not be Companions per se, but they did both have meaningful interactions with him. That might be enough.

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/ho-dato-i-nomi-agli-anelli-consulari/

I gave names to the Consular Rings.

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/nyssa-si-sveglia-dal-coma/

Maybe Nyssa was in a coma all along...

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/luvic-e-aris-su-sims-freeplay/

Luvic and Aris on Sims FreePlay

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/arvic-su-sims-freeplay-parte-2/

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/albero-genealogico-di-luvic-e-taoka/

I gave everyone nondiegetic names

first doctor - Ulaku Vetree
susan foreman - Valtosh Unbri
ian Chesterton - Kameek Valgerbast
barbara wright - Beltowa Onakri
Vicki pallister - Adani Kirkassia
steven Taylor - Rudmu Jakoo
dodo chaplet - Unkii Volsakrer
katarina - Uyma Kalaszüuu
sara kingdom - Lötag Hø

second Doctor - Vanoos Davleer
polly wright - Rumi Conakre
ben Jackson - Uldu Umaruck
jamie mccrimmon - ValJoo Kumuhuru
victoria waterfield - Numii Vilishi
zoe heriot - enjada kada Bals

third Doctor - Onmori Keats
delgado master - Nuruu Moivandi
brigadier lethbridge Stewart - Mosari Alo’wetht
sergeant benton - Osmothi Vajeeh
captain Yates - Plizs Farook
liz Shaw - Hoj Noghaaė
jo grant - Thopos Umbrïcht

fourth Doctor - Sashto,il Hadüma
sarah Jane smith - Ûvadi Marjaas
harry Sullivan - Notso Goor
crispy master - Lujett Croïs
leela of the sevate‘em - Probi Garnett
romana I - Ludnan Pajok
romana II - Unber Paladuma
K9 mk 1 (human form) - Tölos Syberia
K9 mk 2 (human form) - Nujam Joïs
K9 mk Luvic - Norbert Pröø

fifth Doctor - Mixajœ Murat
ainley master- Nubket Käär
adric of Alzarius - Butaga Yoot
nyssa of Traken - Narïs Keet
tegan Jovanka - Lusay Prooh
vislor turlough - Muthas Galâka
kamelion - Alaki Mïtsz

sixth doctor - Aytas Nyblee
Peri brown - Ruyaki Nytagaa

seventh doctor - Yünab Shøg
mel bush - Kôsz Naytó
ace McShane - Gyula KepKit

Why would the Doctor change name between regenerations?

Maybe there's a name for all\any Doctors that translates to "The Doctor" and then a name for each incarnation.

no

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/fancasting-per-luniverso-t-%F0%9F%90%9D-18/

I did a fancast

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/sistema-di-scrittura-trakenita-revisione/

And a writing system

https://www.ncls.it/unigaia/il-nuovo-figlio-di-nyvi-ed-eisor/

Nyvi and Eisor’s new baby!

There's this clown over at Gallifrey Base who created a character called Ben Chatham. Ben is noting more than the author's Gary Stu, but is person really seems to believe tat the BBC will be calling them to ask if they could use the character on Doctor Who.

This person wrote a Ben Chatham 2022 Halloween Special, which ended just last week (I kid you not). I didn't know that Halloween 2022 lasted for almost a year!

And this person also boasted that Ben got a mention in DWM. However, what this person fails to say is that said mention is in a letter than they themselves sent to DWM, going on and on about what a great character Ben is.

DWM's reply: Who?

And now this person is trying to organize a "Ben Chatham Convention" in which they hope that actors, such as Freema Agyeman will attend. Of course, this clown expects Freema and other actors to do it free of charge, to "help their careers". Of course, the real reason is that said clown could never afford them, even if this were real, and not just in their head.

Coo-coo, coo-coo, coo-coo!

I know that a few of us here are also GB members. So, if you want a good laugh, check out this clown's delusions.

That's the most delusional thing I've heard a fan say since my friend told in 1984 that he was able to interview William Shatner for his high school newspaper several years earlier.
Which he inexplicably could not find to show me.
Riiight...

You gotta see this clown's posts to believe them.

Trying to reason with this person is useless, they just ignore you and ramble on.