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By Gordon Lawyer on Thursday, December 02, 1999 - 6:58 am:

1.Number of adventures featuring the Daleks.
2.Number of Companions that haven't met the Daleks.
3.Number of adventures featuring the Cybermen.
4.Number of Companions that haven't met the Cybermen.
5.Number of Cybermen featured that were named Bertie.
6.Number of adventures featuring the Master.
7.Number of Companions that haven't met the Master.


By Chris Thomas on Thursday, December 02, 1999 - 7:12 am:

I take it this is a work in progress?

Do you count the Dalek in The Mind of Evil? Or the one that was supposed to be locked up in Shada? What about Mission to the Unknown?

Is it nine for the Cybermen? The Tenth Planet, The Moonbase, Tomb of the Cybermen, The Invasion, Revenge of the Cybermen, Earthshock, The Five Doctors, Attack of the Cybermen and Silver Nemesis. Do you count the cameo at the end of The War Games? What about Dimensions in Time?

You think the Kandyman was a rogue Cyberman that had gone way off the beaten track?


By Emily on Friday, December 03, 1999 - 7:19 am:

Chris, how could you even THINK of mentioning Dimensions in Time! And what about Carnival of Monsters - we glimpsed a cyberman in that.

Gordon, I'd like to make it clear that it wasn't my choice to call my toy cyberman Bertie. I made the mistake of allowing a friend to name him, and I haven't felt the same about cybermen ever since.


By Chris Thomas on Friday, December 03, 1999 - 8:43 am:

Sorry, but Dimensions In Time appears to have semi-canon status in some quarters - the only reason I brought it up.


By Emily on Friday, December 03, 1999 - 10:08 am:

No excuses, Chris...it's pistols at dawn, I'm afraid.


By Chris Thomas on Friday, December 03, 1999 - 6:57 pm:

Just what I've always wanted - to experience the cliffhanger to the end of part one of The War Games.


By Luiner on Friday, December 03, 1999 - 11:48 pm:

I always wonder about the Master, so my question to the guys and gals with more time than me is: how many stories involve the Master nearly destroying the universe or world and then have the Doctor help him save it? Logopolis comes to mind, but I seemed to remember other times the Doctor had to save his butt. Fatal Death even parodied it.


By PJW on Saturday, December 04, 1999 - 8:09 am:

If we can't even readily settle how many Doctor Who stories there are in the first place...


By Chris Thomas on Saturday, December 04, 1999 - 9:37 pm:

Well, let's eliminate a few:
Telemovie: Earth threatened.
Survival: Only Earth/Cheetah Planet involved.
TOTL 13 & 14: Master helps the Doctor, apparently.
Mark of the Rani: Master bumbling around with the Rani trying to get the Doctor.
Planet of Fire: Master trying to fix his shrinkage problem.
The Five Doctors: Master rescuing the Doctor.
Time-Flight: Master trying to get new energy source for TARDIS.
Castrovalva: trap for the Doctor.
The Keeper of Traken: Master restoring himself in a new body.
The Deadly Assasin: Master trying to resurrect himself - only Gallifrey threatened, or does it have implications for the whole universe?
Frontier in Space: Master in league with the Daleks, only certain section of galaxy under threat.
The Time Monster: Earth under threat again?
The Daemons: Master summons Azal who wishes to destroy Earth.
The Sea Devils: Master uses Sea Devils to threaten Earth.
Terror of the Autons: Master helps another Auton invasion of Earth.

Been ages since I saw Colony in Space: can't remember his grand scheme there.

And I know I probably missed a couple of the Pertwee stories - can't remember at the the moment - but as far as I can tell Logopolis was his biggest plan.


By Gordon Lawyer on Wednesday, December 08, 1999 - 8:10 am:

Chris, you forgot The Wheel in Space.

For number 2, the only one I can recall right off is Dodo.
For number 4, obviously there's everyone before Ben and Polly. That would be Susan, Ian, Barbara, Vicki, Stephen, and Dodo (I think).


By Chris Thomas on Thursday, December 09, 1999 - 12:21 am:

Will a credible "oops" let you forgive me?

Mel, Adric, Nyssa, Romana I, Kamelion, Leela, Liz Shaw, Zoe and Dr Grace Holloway never met the Daleks.

Other companions that didn't meet the Cybermen were Dr Grace Holloway, Mel, Kamelion, Romana I and II, K-9, Leela, Benton, Mike Yates, Jo Grant, Katarina, Sara Kingdom and Liz Shaw.
The Brigadier met them in The Five Doctors, as did Susan.


By Gordon Lawyer on Monday, December 20, 1999 - 9:08 am:

Concerning Dimensions in Time, here is what self-proclaimed Who experts Howe, Stammers, and Walker have to say about it:
A dreadful travesty, which fortunately is not generally regarded as part of the bona fide Doctor Who canon.
And on a scale of one to ten, they give it a big fat zero, so they seem to agree with Emily.
Two more to add:
8.Number of adventures featuring some other rogue Time Lord.
9.Number of Companions that have met at least one of these other rogue Time Lords.


By Chris Thomas on Monday, December 20, 1999 - 9:26 am:

But The Discontinuity Guide did consider it canon - it's not generally regarded, but it is by1some - even Doctor Who Magazine gives it semi-canonical status like Shada.
Hasn't Emily already done the rogue Time Lords under Nitcentral's Own Completely Useless Encyclopedia?


By Ed Jefferson (Ejefferson) on Monday, December 20, 1999 - 11:18 am:

Yeah, but I don't trust Cornell very much (the only interesting Who fans are gay? thanks a lot matey.) so I choose to ignore that (other bits like Season 6b, I'll go with). Wait a darn minute... Cornell thinks DiT is canon. David McIntee doesn't...

This could explain a lot...
(thinking out loud, in a not particularly relevant place.)


By Emily on Monday, December 20, 1999 - 11:18 am:

Yes, but that was before I read Dimension Riders and Strange England - there are now two more renegades, the President of an Oxford College and some drippy Time Lady. Oh yes, and I forgot to mention all those sad renegades running round in Blood Harvest chanting 'Death to the Doctor!'

Chris, pistols at dawn obviously didn't do the trick, so...

*Whips out can of nitro-9 and hurls it at Chris*


By Chris Thomas on Monday, December 20, 1999 - 6:07 pm:

Chris casually catches it in an offhand manner, looks at it, makes a casual quip about it looking like a can of deodorant, and throws it back into the raging Who debate of canonicity.


By Emily on Tuesday, December 21, 1999 - 4:20 am:

Curses! Foiled again!

*Goes off to look up the plans for a disintegrator gun...*


By Gordon Lawyer on Saturday, May 13, 2000 - 4:29 pm:

Chris, wasn't Benton in The Invasion?


By Chris Thomas on Saturday, May 13, 2000 - 8:46 pm:

Oops, yes he was. Well-spotted. Very well done indeed. I feel so ashamed.


By Emily Carter (Emily) on Thursday, August 22, 2013 - 5:11 pm:

Mel, Adric, Nyssa, Romana I, Kamelion, Leela, Liz Shaw, Zoe and Dr Grace Holloway never met the Daleks.

Mel met the Daleks in The Juggernauts. Nyssa met the Daleks in Renaissance of the Daleks. Zoe met the Daleks in Fear of the Daleks. Leela met the Daleks in Energy of the Daleks. Romana I is the same person as Romana II, i.e. met the Daleks in Destiny of the Daleks. Kamelion and Grace don't count as Companions. Guess that just leaves Adric and Liz...


By Judi Jeffreys (Jjeffreys_mod) on Sunday, May 24, 2015 - 6:54 pm:

Don't you have a section for dear Dr Holloway in the Companions section?


By Francois Lacombe (Franc0is) on Sunday, May 24, 2015 - 7:58 pm:

There's even one for Kamelion


By Emily Carter (Emily) on Monday, May 25, 2015 - 4:26 am:

Don't you have a section for dear Dr Holloway in the Companions section?

Yeah, but that was Mike's choice and sadly (like that metal git Kamelion) she'd amassed too many posts by the time I took over for me to shift her into the Almost Companions where the shameless Doctor-murdering hussy belongs.


By Frances Folsom Cleveland (Frances_folsom_cleveland) on Sunday, October 18, 2015 - 9:02 pm:

Do any of you read Doctor Who Magazine? The latest issue I got had a "diary" kept by the Master, as he went over all his plans. and it had fits of LEOL (Laughing Evilly Out Loud). I liked how most of the entries started with "Unfortunately," followed by details on how his schemes failed. It's funny reading.


By John E. Porteous (Jep) on Monday, October 19, 2015 - 6:39 am:

First off: Hi Frances,Welcome aboard.

To answer your question:Yes some of the people here do read Doctor Who Magazine. (Truth is(although I'm not sure about how up-to-date her collection is) the moderator here Emily regularly reviews many of the older issues.)

To find it go to apocrypha, enter the section labeled magazines to find her reviews.

Feel free to post there--Emily'll love to have someone new posting in that area.

Again--welcome aboard, and I hope you have fun here.


By Emily Carter (Emily) on Thursday, December 22, 2022 - 8:39 am:

Other companions that didn't meet the Cybermen were Dr Grace Holloway, Mel, Kamelion, Romana I and II, K-9, Leela, Benton, Mike Yates, Jo Grant, Katarina, Sara Kingdom and Liz Shaw.

Mel met the Cybermen in The Quantum Archangel. Romana II met the Cybermen in The Not-So-Sinister Sponge. Leela met the Cybermen in Return to Telos. Benton: see above. Jo met the Cybermen in The Tyrants of Logic. Liz met the Cybermen in The Blue Tooth. Grace, Kamelion, Katarina and Sara obviously don't count as Companions, though it's seriously annoying the Meddling Monk didn't add Handles to his collection of Companions or Katarina's ashes WOULD have shared a prison with a Cyberman in Companion Piece...


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