Moderator's Note: This is Mike's original Jamie summary:

I have a soft spot for Jamie, for some reason. He may not have been the sharpest pencil in the box, but he always knew when the Doctor was full of it. Jamie was the perfect counterpoint for Troughton's Doctor--unimaginative, but trustworthy and brave.



I have a soft spot for Jamie, too, but I know why. We're both Scots. (Of course, he's a Highlander, mine were Lowlanders, mine chased his out of Scotland - but we won't mention that.) But I've always liked Jamie, even tho I haven't gotten to see many of his episodes.
BTW: the actor showed up later (about two decades)in a British soap called Emmerdale Farms. It was actually a pretty good show. And guess who he marries in that show? Jenna, from Blake's 7. I cracked up when I saw that. I also watched as much Emmerdale as I could, just because he was in it. Can't get it anymore, wish I could.

Personally, I can't bear to watch other programs in which Companions/Doctors appear. I do my best to believe that Doctor Who is real, and it does rather blow a hole through this when I see them pretending to be other people (though it was OK for Davison to appear as a pig in Hitch-Hikers Guide to the Galaxy - I didn't recognise him). Doctor Who actors should be put down afterwards, to stop them shaming the program - and for their own good, what else in their lives could measure up to being a Time Lord? Or at least they ought to be locked up and permitted only to write their autobiography and appear in multiple Doctor reunions.

I might agree with the actors not appearing anywhere else, except that then I would never get to see them. And I like watching Jamie; he was CUTE. Besides, when you watch them enough in something else (especially when he's older), it's not so hard to see him as someone else who just LOOKS like the companion.
And, of course, not being British, it's always such a shock to see someone I recognize. When it's someone I liked, it adds to the pleasure.

I usually watch Who actors appearances in other shows with a sort of split personality. The reasonable side of my brain tries to give them a break, while the fanboy side just gets confused. Anyone ever see Tom Baker in the BBC version of "The Lives of a She-Devil", playing a masochistic judge? Or Peri in "Black Adder's Christmas Carol" (or TBaker in "Black Adder II", for that matter). How about Jon Pertwee in an episode of "The Goodies"? Patrick Troughton in "The Omen"? I could go on.

I remember "She-Devil." So much for culture on the Arts and Entertainment network.

I remember She-Devil. His character was quite a shock. I haven't gotten to see the Black Adder shows.
Do you know the name of the Goodies episode? I would love to see Pertwee in that. When I saw the Goodies (mid-70s), we didn't even know about the Doctor. (Well, my sister might have, but she never told me.)

He played the Reverend Llewellyn Llewellyn Llewellyn Llewellyn in the episode titled Wacky Wales. In it, the Goodieswas captured by Welsh Druids, let by Pertwee. They were to be sacrificed until the Druids discovered they loved football (or was it rugby?). Pertwee did a lot of mugging and goofy Welsh talking.

The Black Adder II episode with T. Baker was "Potatoes", and also featured the Simon Jones, the actor who portrayed Arthur Dent in "Hitchhickers..."

Pertwee had a small role in the film version of "A Funny Thing Happened on the Way to the Forum", too.

How about (I know I'm joining this conversation a few months late) Tom Baker as Rasputin? I couldn't help imagining the him in the role when I read "Wages of Sin" and kept waiting for Pertwee's Doctor to refer to him as "Teeth and curls."

I remember Tom Baker playing a part in a Sinbad movie which preceded his Dr.Who part.
And how about Pertwee in his role as a crazed retired Army Officer in The Avengers.
For that matter, Roger Delgado (the original Master) was in one of the Quatermass movies.

OK, I confess I saw Paul McGann in Withnail and I. Come to think of it, both Withnail stars have played Doctors, though needless to say nothing in CotFD counts *glares round daring the canon trouble-makers to disagree*

And Richard Griffiths, who was also in Withnail & I, was considered for the role of the fifth Doctor and eighth Doctor (after McCoy, had the show continued naturally as a BBC production).

Which one was Richard Griffiths? PLEASE don't tell me he was Withnail's uncle!

He was Withnail's uncle. All 99 stone of him.

You may have also seen him in the series Pie In The Sky. He was also the professor (not the one from Gilligan's Island) in The Naked Gun 2 1/2.

For the first time in my life I'm glad the series didn't continue as a BBC production. And I'll never complain about Peter Davison again.

No one's ever said if he would have agreed to play the role.

Oh good - in that case I'll stop telling myself to feel happy about the lack of proper Doctor Who (it didn't work, anyway). AND I'll start whinging again about that bland characterless nonentity that calls itself the Fifth Doctor.

Brave heart, Emily. Now let's get back to discussing the lead weights Frazer Hines used to sew into the hem of his kilt.

An image of Jamie doing an impression of Marilyn Monroe in the Seven Year Itch is something I am glad not to be a witness of.

Just what is it about Scotsmen, anyways? I've been to Scotland. It can get pretty cold up there. So why is there this tendency up there to run around in plaid skirts exposing the gonads to the chilly air.

It shows what brave men they are.

Emily is right, no one has posted about Jamie in over ten years! Time to rectify that.

Well, I wonder what happened to him after the Time Lords sent him back to his own time. He didn't remember the Doctor. Did he survive, or was he killed soon after (he was on the losing side of Bonnie Prince Charlie's war, after all).

According to the Companion Chronicles (you know...the Big Finish cheap spin-offs where they get ex-Companions to narrate an unconvincing 'adventure' of their time with the Doctor...not letting amnesia or them NOT being a Companion or even death get in their way) Jamie lived to an old age in Scotland.

Big Finish also recently did a 'Sixth Doctor meets Jamie!' trilogy in which he was still, decades later, fighting the British under the name of Black Donald, but he turned out not to be the real Jamie, just some Land of Fiction replica Zoe had made up. Or something.

Speaking of which, did the real Jamie ever express much of an interest in women? (Other than being hopeful that he'd get a goodbye kiss in The Two Doctors.) Because the version built from Zoe's memories was quite a flirt. When would Zoe have picked up such an impression? Did she misinterpret his Wheel in Space threat to put her over his knee and 'larrup' her?

Maybe when he put his hand on her upper thigh in Seeds Of Death?

Well, I like to think Jamie made it to a ripe old age. Maybe, despite amnesia, the skills he picked up while travelling with the Doctor helped him.

I just looked this up for my blog. As per the Wiki (sources ranging from novels to the comic depicting his death), Jamie married Kirtsy McLaren, and went on to have “more children than there are days in the week” and grandchildren as well. Many years later, as a white-bearded old man, he encounter the Doctor one last time. In this case, the Sixth incarnation. He dies on the planet Marinus (as in ‘The Keys of’) defeating the Cybermen and their worldshaper.

I suppose, as endings go, it’s one of the better possibilities- but I may just prefer the ‘surrounded by kids and grandkids option, peacefully’ a bit better. Still- a blaze of glory seems fitting for rash, headstrong Jamie- and he still has it way better than the novels gave Dodo.

As far as the illusory version, that's part of Zoe's future:
Zoe’s above-average mind resisted the Time Lord mind-wipe, but only subconsciously, revealing her memories in strange dreams. Several years later, when a Cyber-ship attacked the Wheel, the conversion into a Cyberplanner (due to her high innate intelligence) unlocked all of her memories and allowed her to take control of the Cyber-vessel from within, diverting it to the only place she could think of where the Cybermen couldn’t harm anyone- the Land of Fiction (from The Mind Robber). After battling the Cybermen in that realm with fictional constructs, she eventually summoned the Doctor (as with Jamie, his sixth incarnation- when did HE get so popular?!) with a distress call and, aided by an illusory Jamie created to protect him, the Cybermen were defeated. Upon a return to the Wheel and un-conversion, her memories were lost for good.

So, yes- a ripe old age, kids and grandkids, and also a heroic blaze of glory. Leaving aside the 'violent death' part (which for Jamie, seems a foregone conclusion) and the fact the he probably left a widow (maybe she went first?), he more or less gets to have his cake and eat it, too- a long, happy life followed by a heroic blaze-of-glory death.

From New Series: Season Six: Let's Kill Hitler:

ME: Ian-style heavy-action-movie-heroics went out with...well...IAN, come to think of it.

STEVE: Actually, I beg to differ. Jamie was quite obvously the 'action guy' for Troughton.

Obvious to whom? Certainly not to Jamie. Sure, it's unfair but what REALLY springs to mind for our hairy-legged Highlander (other than the Doctor calling him a hairy-legged Highlander) is that scene in Tomb where the Doc's messing with some tech and Jamie's trying to leg it. Not to mention his tendency to clutch the Doctor/Zoe in terror at regular intervals.

In fact, the only time Jamie really strikes me as a warrior is just AFTER he's left the Doc...and had all his memories wiped.

Steve Lyons in DWM on writing for Jamie: 'Steve Cole thinks I've given him too modern an outlook for an 18th century highlander, and I probably have - but only because I think the TV series did the same. After The Moonbase, the only concessions made to Jamie's origins are the occasional "Aye" and, on extreme occasions, "Och". Some novelists try to make him more "realistic", but then I think he seems out of character because it's not what we're used to from him...'

That's not true. Um, is it?

'I wish I had [the Doctor's] brains' - Jamie, in Faceless Ones. Does he REALLY? He'd be a completely different PERSON.

'You'll have to kill me' - Jamie on being told to leave the Doctor's body. If only the 'I'll count to five' threat hadn't been interrupted, it would have been interesting to see if Jamie WOULD have chosen to be shot dead rather than (temporarily, given the number of times he's escaped in the past) moved away from his friend.

'Can you not land us in a civilised place like 1750?' - look, there's patriotism. And then there's STUPIDITY...

The Invasion:

'A nice man. Gave me this' 'That chap Mr Vaughn doesn't seem such a bad man' 'Don't break it!' - poor dear Jamie obviously hasn't been given many presents in his life.

'Not you' - Jamie just wants his photo taken! (Though how does he know what a photo is? I wouldn't be so concerned about all his mysterious knowledge - I'd be happy to assume he spent YEARS with Our Hero - if only he hadn't mentioned that it's only a couple of weeks since Web of Fear.)

'You look like a chicken with all those feathers on' - Jamie does not take rejection kindly. Though whether he's sulking at being rejected as a male model or at Zoe preferring Isobel's company to his is difficult to tell when they're all in cartoon form.

'Do you not write anything down on paper' says Jamie, as if HIS dirt-poor illiterate society wrote things down on paper all the time.

Jamie didn't ask earlier if Benton would mind telling him what 'all this [viz, his kidnapping] is about'?

'You're like a world secret police' - what does Jamie know about secret police?

Jamie hasn't heard of UFOs? (Actually that's a bit of a relief. We were in danger of developing a Cinder-in-Engines-of-War-type situation.)

'You think you're superior because you're a man' 'I didn't say that. Mind you, it's true' - alas that Jamie IS GOING TO HAVE TO DIE.

'They have been recognised on Planet Fourteen' - if Jamie's been having unseen adventures on Planet Fourteen he's REALLY packing a lot into his fortnights.

'You're not going to trust him are you? I mean, what about Zoe and Isobel?' - nice to see Jamie's putting gallantry-towards-the-lassies above his delight in being given a thrilling present by Vaughn.

'Oh I SEE, yes' - Jamie knows all about bugging devices!

Sweet of Jamie to care so much about Zoe. Natural gallantry? Blind loyalty? Romantic interest? Cos it's much more important to him to save her than to obey the Doctor.

'You know something? You're a clever wee chappie' - Jamie to the Doctor. If this was New Who I bet they'd be going through a certain bow-tie related ceremony about now.

Then there's this:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI_W2qYWgAAqI99.jpg

EEK!

'You're like a world secret police' - what does Jamie know about secret police?

He could have heard about the concept during 'Enemy of the World'. I don't recall if Salamander had any, but if he did someone could have told Jamie about them, and if he didn't, someone could have said that at least they didn't have to worry about secret police.

"Jamie enjoyed a high degree of familiar physical contact, such as friendly shoving, prodding, pulling, and hugging. When stressed for any reason he would often grab on to his companions for reassurance, with a marked preference for grabbing the Doctor. When no one was available, he would attempt to hold on to himself."

Which makes it quite weird that when he and the Doctor held each other's hands in Tomb - each assuming they were taking Victoria's hand - they both let go in quite such violent homophobic disgust on realising the truth...

I hate Jamie because he robs the Troughton era of variety - only ONE story is without the presence of the daft Scot. Would've been nice to have more 2nd Doctor stories with no Jamie.

The HELL it would!

Jamie is as integral a part of the Troughton Era as TROUGHTON is and you're not whinging that HE robs his own era of variety are you.

Fond though I am of them - get rid of Polly, Ben, Victoria and Zoe. It should have been the Second Doctor and the Daft Scot roaming the universe together hand-in-hand for all three - or, better still, much more than three - glorious years.

The irony of you getting your wish in the Colin Baker era...

*Wince* I hadn't even thought of that.

Graphology indeed...

Well, it looks like Jamie won't be appearing in any future episodes.

I don't normally link to these types of videos, but at about 5 minutes in one of Emily's agents works to disrupt the video and I found that amusing. ;-)

'Before I go off on a crazy rant...' - too late.

Patrick FRUITON? (Twice!)

'Ratings are plunging under the PC plotlines' - I'd say indifferent-to-PC Tsuranga and positively-anti-PC Kerblam! were what REALLY killed off those ratings, the likes of 'PC' (i.e. actually-treating-women-and-people-of-colour-as-not-inferior-to-white-males) Rosa and Witchfinders were the REALLY GOOD ones.

So Frazer Hines is a bit old-fashioned and likes episodic stories and bug-eyed monsters - again, what's that got to do with 'too much PC'?

When did Season Eleven explore disabilities? Actually Who could do with a bit of exploring-disabilities, so far we've only really had Davros implying that all disabled people are so pissed off they attempt to destroy EVERY UNIVERSE EVER to compensate.

Oh, DARLING BABY!!

Blimey, this guy thinks his rants are worth an awful lot of adverts.

'They're not doing bug-eyed monsters any more!' - yes they are. (I'm not saying the PTING, Tim Shaw, the zombie-mud-monsters are that GOOD, but they're THERE.)

Boy this guy doesn't have an IDEA of context, does he? How can, in these circumstances, you JUST NOT MENTION the every-other-story-a-pure-historical Hartnell era?

'Jodie Whittaker, critically acclaimed - I dunno if I trust that because of the PC police on various media' - SERIOUSLY?

'She could have been leading this epic arc, this epic storyline' - not under Chibnall she couldn't. Again, he seems to have omitted to do his research - say, Chibbers' five previous episodes - to see that it's not political correctness it's that he's just not good enough. And neither are his Punjab and Kerblam! writers.

Jamie: You can't do this to me! I'm Jamie McCrimmon!

Jodie!: And tomorrow, Jamie McCrimmon will be a mindless zombie wandering the streets of Johannesburg, Jamestown... somewhere beginning with J!

Patrick FRUITON? (Twice!)

Sounded more like Trooton to me, but yeah, I don't think he's watched much of the show and I think he's only done one video about Who prior.

what's that got to do with 'too much PC'?

Apparently the article writer or editor added the PC headline to stir up controversy.

Blimey, this guy thinks his rants are worth an awful lot of adverts.

I only remember one advert, but I think that's more YouTube's decision as commercials usually get inserted randomly during videos and not at natural pause points.

That being said I believe he does make a living with his videos which cover news, politics, culture, etc., almost none of which feature cats. Go fig? ;-)

but I think that's more YouTube's decision as commercials usually get inserted randomly during videos and not at natural pause points.

Just download AdBlock. Problem solved!

Jamie was tough and physically strong but a bit cowardly and shy around girls. Do you guys think he'd be braver tackling Daleks and Cybermen rather than beautiful maidens?

I'm not sure how shy he WAS around girls. He was threatening Zoe with a good spanking in their very first story, not to mention THIS scene in Ice Warriors:

JAMIE: Victoria?
VICTORIA: What?
JAMIE: You see how those lassies were dressed?
VICTORIA: Yes, I did. And trust you to think of something like that.
JAMIE: Well, I couldn't help thinking about it.
VICTORIA: Well, I think it's disgusting, wearing that kind of thing.
JAMIE: Oh, aye, so it is, so it is. You don't see yourself dressed like that then?

He was threatening Zoe with a good spanking in their very first story

Well, I hope Zoe put him in his place.

*Wince* no she really, REALLY didn't.

JAMIE: Just you watch your lip or I'll put you across my knee and larrup you.
ZOE: Oh, this is going to be fun.

Sounds like Zoe was actually turned on at the idea.

Zoe Heriot:

Turn ons include learning machines and being spanked.

Turn offs include being memory wiped

Wonder what happened to Jamie when he was returned to his own time in The War Games.

He was on the losing side of the Jacobite Rebellion, after all.

Rest assured the Companion Chronicle audios have him married to Kirsty and having *shudders* more bairns than there are days in the week and living to a ripe old age, in which the Time Lords keep popping back to jog his memory and get him to narrate various boring adventures...rather than getting slaughtered/transported/starved etc etc...

Rest assured the Companion Chronicle audios have him married to Kirsty and having *shudders* more bairns than there are days in the week

Overpopulation wasn't such a big deal back then (since people tended not to live as long as they do now).

Nice to see that things worked out for dear old Jamie.

I'd take getting slaughtered/transported/starved over having eight kids ANY day.

Even granted that he wasn't to know he was damaging the planet, just...himself. And Kirsty. And the kids. Especially the daughters. Why would you bring them into a world like that?

Well, Emily, not everyone feels the same way about kids as you do.

And, once again, overpopulation wasn't a thing back then, in a time when people were lucky if they made it to 40.

You will be unsurprised to learn that I regard 'Hey, don't worry, let's breed like rabbits, hopefully half of 'em will be dead in their cradles and the other half won't make it past forty!' as fairly unacceptable on the list of excuses for reproducing.

I made the Companions and the Doctors as EUIV countries.

Jamie unified Kurdistan and was Vicki (who owned half of Europe's coasts)'s greatest ally, but Brig!Timurids' greatest rival, despite a shared Islam faith and some marriages between their two royal families.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRxXe4FP_IA

Gaia, you don't need to make multiple posts of the same thing.

Be patient, your stuff will be read. Emily reads everything here.

Yes. This.

Rest assured the Companion Chronicle audios have him married to Kirsty and having *shudders* more bairns than there are days in the week

Overpopulation wasn't such a big deal back then (since people tended not to live as long as they do now).

Nice to see that things worked out for dear old Jamie.

I'd take getting slaughtered/transported/starved over having eight kids ANY day.

Good to see that Jamie agrees with me. Evil of the Daleks novelisation: 'My ambition little more than to live long enough to settle down with a bonnie girl and sire a bairn or two' - ONE OR TWO, people!

James

...?

James not Jamie.

Jamie.