When Scarlet and Fawn meet White, a shadow seems to be cast across Colonel White in the first bom. This could be Scarlet and Fawn but that would mean they ran past him towards his left and then came back and sat down

Also, Doctor Fawn says that, during the events of 'The Mysterons', Captain Scarlet ( the mysteronised copy which stays with us for the rest of the series) was killed 'several times over' Eh? I thought he died once during the Car Vu fall.

Killed several times over presumably means that the injuries he sustained/energy that passed through him were enough to kill a human several times - plus the car crash too. A bit like saying being thrown from 500ft and 5000ft - they'll both kill you, but the force involved in a 5000ft fall would be enough to kill several people.

White says that he doesn't have to 'spell out the consequences' of the Director General's death if it occured. It DID occur. So.... what consequences?

it seems the trailer the SPV is hidden in has no roof, is it hidden to everything except aircraft.

Several characters in this episode sound like they were voiced by Neil McCallum (Dr. Pierce in TBAG) e.g. the DT-19 pilots and the Airport Controller.

No it can't be him, his name would have been in the cast list.
But then again it could be him as I can't recognise any of the other actor's voices but I will not agree with this unless there is some proof.

Just because he's not credited doesn't mean it wasn't him. Records are only so reliable (especially with Fanderson and the Complete Book).

DT19 pilot: Neil McCallum, because he sounds exactly like Dr. Pierce from TBAG who was also voiced by McCallum.
Airport Controller: Ditto.
DT19 co-pilot: Tricky but I'd say it's probably Martin King doing a poor American accent.

Proof? Can't give you any, I'm afraid.

Shane Rimmer don't appear on castlists either but he's in Scarlet.

The Copilot voice is used for a policeman in Big Ben Strikes Again, and the Fanderson mini-album credits it to Neil McCallum.

Who's saying the mini-albums credits are gospel?

And Shane Rimmer DOES appear on castlists.

No KZ Means Not on the EPISODE's End Credits.

Yup.
And hey Paul, I'm trying to support your theory here with more evidence! Don't hit........

Well, I think the co-pilot's voice is the only one truly open to debate.

And I meant castlists as in Fanderson and in the Complete Book.

BRING BACK COMMANDER NORMAN!!

By jove. Got a nutter in the cockpit of that DT19, wot. I say. Hmm. Better let that VIP go. Don't want him clogging up my system, wot?
I say, lunchtime.....

You say you don't have any proof on Neil McCallum being in Captain Scarlet but I have proof on Neil McCallum not being in Captain Scarlet.
At the end of the S.I.G documentary on the credits they have a list on all the cast members (Including Shane Rimmer) but Neil McCallum's name was not on the list.

Thats NO Proof At All!!

Yes it is!!!
They put all the names on the list because they knew everyone who did the voices, if Neil McCallum was in the series (even in two episodes) his name would be on the list.
Where's your proof that I’m wrong?

Just That His Name Was Not Included Is No Proof.

Anyway we are all saying That Shane Rimmer was not included the episode credits in CS well nither was Charles Tingwell & Paul Maxwell in Thunderbirds Yet he was there for 6 eps

And also we have John Tate Who Supplied Voice For Odd eps here and there in TB Eps (In production order)Eps 11,19,23,25,27 & 28, see he gave voices occasionally.

Just that Some One Is Not Listed Is Not Proof At All.

People went uncredited on UFO and Space 1999 too....

I am naturally suspicious of anything concerning the S.I.G. documentary....

Tragically, McCallum died in 1976 of a brain haemorrage aged just 47.

I listened to the BBSA policemen's voices again just now and realised that the voice of the copper driving the second car is near-identical to the voice of the Airport Chief. So did Fanderson credit the wrong policeman as being voiced by our man?

They say Dean (2nd policeman) is McCallum on their second mini album 'The Power of the Mysterons'

No, not that one - the one I'm referring was the same puppet as the DT19 pilot ('I'll try and pass. We've got to stop him.') Fanderson have the wrong policeman. Considering the mistakes they made with the Stratojet pilots and the Martin King characters in Manhunt and Point 783 I'm not surprised.

I say both the puppet of Lt Dean and the DT 19 PILOT were both played by Neil McCallum in Big Ben Strikes Again.
Their mini album only credits 4 policemen

1st (policeman): Paul Maxwell (everything OK Macey?)
2nd: Neil McCallum. I assume this means the Dean one, as thats the second one we see. Logical, eh? He's the one that says 'What can go wrong?' You are SO dead, little dude.
3rd: Jeremy Wilkin (Macey? Can you hear me Macey?)
4th: Well, we think this is Neil McCallum again, yes, as it sounds like the DT19 Pilot and Airport Controller (I'll try and pass, we've got to stop him). Well, Fanderson credit this to none other than Charles Tingwell.
And they leave the 5h policeman (Wilkin) uncredited.

I think we'll have to agree to disagree on the co-pilot and second policeman. I still think they were voiced by Martin King.

This one, my friends, could run and run. We'll all be old men in our wheelchairs, and we'l still be disputing it, whacking each other with our zimmerframes and sabotaging the wheels on the wheelchairs.
Hmm.
See you down there.......!

But That's A Jelly Baby!!!
Yes... It Took A Boy And A Jelly Baby.

We'll reach a compromise and say it was Martin McCallum...

Why not Neil King?

Or George Clooney

PRIVATE G Clooney.

Loony Cloony

As DT19 plunges towards the ocean, engine noise can still be heard even though the engines are dead.

When Colonel White is making an general announcement regarding the Director General's threat; he says 'he's been threatened once and we can be sure it won't be the last time'. I thought one of the points reinforced during the series was that once someone was threatened and the threat attempted (be it a sucess or a failure), they were safe...

Bear in mind this was only their 2nd encounter with the Mysterons. The first time they'd made more than one attempt on the Presidents life, so there was no reason to assume they would only try once this time.
Actually, I don't know how they EVER got to that 'They only threaten someone once' theory.

FANDERSON HAS GIVEN IN! They agrees with me on the McCallum thingy! I win! Nyah nyah nyah nya

Depends whether or not they change the co-pilot's voice - I've never doubted the pilot's voice.

In THE COMPLETE CAPTAIN SCARLET, the author said that Captain Ochre is seen but does not speak. I think that he should have said Captain Magenta, who was shown sitting in the lounge area. Captain Ochre was leaning on a rail, and asked Captain Blue if he thought that Captain Blue would be joining him on the mission.

Captain Blue's hesitated slightly when Captain Ochre asked him about Captain Scarlet, and his tone of voice.... That was the closest they ever came to showing the Spectrum personnel adjusting to the fact that Captain Scarlet was no longer the "real" Scarlet.

In various places, they describe Captain Scarlet as experiencing nausea when he senses a Mysteron presence. In this episode, he says, "My head...."
In fact, all of his "Mysteron" reactions look more like a dizzy spell or a headache.

Captain Blue really should have been fired after this incident. Knowing that the DT19 was a booby trap, he ordered the Director General's plane to take off immediately, down the same runway as the DT19! This was also the same runway that was being bombed by the Angels, the same runway with an oncoming SPV. What the heck was he thinking? He should have told Captain Grey to get the Director back into the security tanker, or place the tanker in front of the airplane as a barricade, or a host of other possibilities.

BTW, why did Spectrum's protection end at the door of the Director General's plane?

Captain Blue's statement at the end was pretty silly: "Maybe he didn't die...in vain." Well, Captain Scarlet may or may not have actually died in that crash, but it was most assuredly in vain, which was the point that the other man was making.

>>In THE COMPLETE CAPTAIN SCARLET, the author said that Captain Ochre is seen but does not speak. I think that he should have said Captain Magenta, who was shown sitting in the lounge area.

Do you mean the Complete GA? In that he said that Ochre didn't speak on his first appearance. If he meant Magenta, he also would have got the wrong episode, as Magenta appears at the end of the first ep.

I guess that it's been a while since I've been here....

It might have been in both books. My point was that Ochre did in fact speak in this episode, while Magenta, while seen, did not say anything.

Did anyone notice that one shot of DT19 'landing'is also shown for it 'taking off'? (you can see the plane approaching the lights at the end of the runway)...