The Ark of Truth

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: Stargate - SG-1, Atlantis, etc: The Movies: The Ark of Truth
By Callie on Tuesday, January 16, 2007 - 2:33 am:

The first of the two TV movies to follow on from Season 10 of SG-1, filming starts in April and should air in the autumn of 2007.

Further details and plot spoilers can be found here.


By Callie on Wednesday, June 13, 2007 - 2:05 am:

Latest details about the plot here.


By David (Guardian) on Tuesday, June 19, 2007 - 8:29 pm:

I wonder if Arthur will appear or be mentioned in this movie. That sword didn't come out of the stone for no reason...


By Callie on Tuesday, July 03, 2007 - 6:23 am:

This now won't be released until "the first half" of 2008. Currently no reasons have been given.


By Callie on Thursday, December 06, 2007 - 3:08 am:

11 March 2008 is now the official release date - that's for Region 1 DVDs. No doubt us loyal British fans will have to wait longer, or order it from the States and pay extra tax to those nice people at Customs and Excise (grumble).


By Merat on Monday, December 10, 2007 - 10:43 am:

Warning: Possible Spoilers:

I saw a picture the other day of Teal'c and Mitchell standing on either side of a man in a robe with a huge white beard. They appeared to be guarding him. Are we gonna meet Merlin in the flesh (so to speak, him being an Ancient and all)?


By Dustin Westfall (Dwestfall) on Monday, December 10, 2007 - 3:27 pm:

Last Day Spoiler Filler:

We already met Merlin back in The Quest, Part 2. He was in stasis, until SG-1 woke him, and started building the Sangraal, but died from the stress.


By Merat on Tuesday, December 11, 2007 - 1:47 pm:

Oh yeah! I had forgotten about that! This picture wasn't from that episode, though. Teal'c had the white streak.


By David (Guardian) on Monday, February 18, 2008 - 12:05 am:

Callie - 11 March 2008 is now the official release date - that's for Region 1 DVDs. No doubt us loyal British fans will have to wait longer, or order it from the States and pay extra tax to those nice people at Customs and Excise (grumble).

They might do a TV premiere at the same time as or shortly after the U.S. release.

Wait a second, you've got nothing to complain about! You British fans got the second half of SG-1 s10 and Atlantis s3 months before us American fans! ;)


By Callie on Monday, February 18, 2008 - 9:15 am:

Quite right too. \pompous mode.

;-)


By David (Guardian) on Wednesday, February 27, 2008 - 10:08 pm:

official Youtube site.

Minor spoiler:




Col. Ellis and the Apollo will make an appearence in the movie.


By David (Guardian) on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 5:16 pm:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!

I just heard Chris Judge call this movie a "love letter to the fans!" Anyone who knows about how "Enterprise" ended will understand my reaction.


By ScottN on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 9:31 pm:

Maybe he did it deliberately, to show what a real "love letter to the fans" is.


By Josh M on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:07 pm:


quote:

David: I just heard Chris Judge call this movie a "love letter to the fans!" Anyone who knows about how "Enterprise" ended will understand my reaction.




Besides, that was a "valentine".

And didn't the creators already give the fans a "love letter" with 200?


By Josh M on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:17 pm:

About your spoiler, David...









]Are you sure it's not the Odyssey?


By Josh M on Saturday, March 01, 2008 - 10:20 pm:

Oh wait, never mind, you're right. Dumb me.


By Callie on Tuesday, March 11, 2008 - 7:24 am:

My pre-order in the UK has now been put back to a delivery date of around 7 May.


By Duane Parsons on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 7:49 am:

Went and pick up the movie last night. Good to see the SG-1 back on the TV. If you have not seen the DVD yet, there are some events I describe that one may not want to read





Initial nits: Firing of bullet 'throwing' weapons on the star ship. When firing at the Replicators the bullets hit and destroy the 'spiders', but firing automatic fire, several bullets are put out the barrel, they would bounce all around possibility hitting the person firing the weapon. This was apparant when the four crew members were lined up with a light machine gun and some assault rifles and fired and fired at the Replicators.

When the Replicator controlled skeleton stood up, I was wondering how could it move since there was mostly bone and no muscle to move the body. Also, Cam should have done one of his comments about undead/zombies. A good scene though.

After the fight on the Ori planet when T'lec (sp) is wounded, there a lot of Ori soldier bodies on the ground. It looked like they charged and then took our heroes prisoner?? A least our side could shoot well.

What happened to the cubby resistance fighter? He was being put under Ori pressure and not doing too well.


By Merat on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 8:47 am:

I've seen about half of this movie now, and my initial impression is that I LOVE the reworked music from the first movie! They reworked the credit theme from Stargate for this and the "Entering the Gate" sequence music. Absolutely wonderful!


By Merat on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 8:51 am:

Huh, part of my message didn't show. Weird. The full sentence was supposed to be:

They reworked the credit theme from Stargate for this and the "Entering the Gate" sequence music when the Odyssey entered the supergate for the first time. They also referenced the way the scene was shot, with the faces disintegrating and blasting through the wormhole. Absolutely wonderful!


By ScottN on Wednesday, March 12, 2008 - 7:06 pm:

Just put it into my Netflix queue.


By Merat on Thursday, March 13, 2008 - 8:11 am:

"When the Replicator controlled skeleton stood up, I was wondering how could it move since there was mostly bone and no muscle to move the body. Also, Cam should have done one of his comments about undead/zombies. A good scene though."

There wasn't actually any bone there. It was all made of replicator blocks. Which was very creepy looking.


By Prior ScottN on Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 10:30 am:

It's supposed to come today! Hallowed are the Ori!


By ScottN on Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 6:13 pm:

Nice movie.

Looked like some tributes to Star Trek:First Contact, and to the first Terminator film, and to the episode "Threads".

I loved the idea of Marrick getting what he deserved. Of course, RepliMarrick wasn't too bad either.

The whole ending seemed a bit too deus-ex-machina to me, though.


By ScottN on Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 6:14 pm:

Also, at the end...

[NDSB]
[NDSB]
[NDSB]
[NDSB]

So the Doci is on the floor crying, and they're standing around just ignoring him. Real compassionate.


By David (Guardian) on Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 11:16 pm:

Good movie, overall. Nits and unanswered questions follow:

Why did Sam bake Cam macaroons? I thought he hated them!

I don't understand why the IOA tried to cover their motive. Why not just reveal that they wanted to infest the Ori ships with Replicators.

What idiot Asgard decided that putting Replicator specs in the core was a good idea?

The Ark itself seemed a bit low tech. I mean, it was a brainwashing machine. Couldn't they just tell the Asgard core to make one? It clearly has no scruples!

Did anyone else think the Odyssey took way too much punishment before the shields failed?

Why was the Odyssey uncloaked when the Ori ships found it?

If the Replicators gained control of the Odyssey, why didn't they engage and attempt to infest the Ori ships by themselves?

If the IOA could program a shutdown code into the Replicators, why not a "don't harm the multibillion dollar military spaceship" code?

How did the Replicators know that Merek knew where the shutdown code was?

Why did Cam wait for an ARG? Those things don't always work, and they were on the clock because they knew that the Replicator could break out of the force shield at any time. They already had guns, and they knew they would work.

As I was watching the first conversation between Adria and Vala, I couldn't help but thinking, "Marissa, your hair's gotten darker!" Seriously, if you're familiar with Stephen Ratliff's stories, picture Marissa as Adria and the whole, "I have all the power in the universe" dialogue becomes one of the funniest parts of the movie!


By ScottN on Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 11:39 pm:

I don't understand why the IOA tried to cover their motive. Why not just reveal that they wanted to infest the Ori ships with Replicators.

Because Landry's reaction would have been similar to Cam's? And he would have refused the use of Odyssey?


By ScottN on Saturday, March 15, 2008 - 11:42 pm:

What idiot Asgard decided that putting Replicator specs in the core was a good idea?

Nobody. That was the card that Marrick inserted into the core.

Why did Cam wait for an ARG? Those things don't always work, and they were on the clock because they knew that the Replicator could break out of the force shield at any time. They already had guns, and they knew they would work.

Waiting for an ARG makes sense. But you're right, they should have had somebody with a P90 as a backup.


By David (Guardian) on Monday, March 17, 2008 - 11:16 pm:

They said in the movie that the core was, "very user friendly," and would "fill in the blanks," as long as it was told what to do. Presumably Merrick's program said, "build a Replicator," and didn't include the complete, down-to-the-last-atom specs. That's what I was talking about.

Self-correction: I'd misremembered the scene from the earlier episode. I thought Sam had brought Cam macaroons before and he'd hated them, but it was really the other way around. This makes much more sense.


By Callie on Monday, April 28, 2008 - 3:28 pm:

Meh. I was bored. It’s probably because I disliked Season 9 and 10 so much and was never much taken with the whole Ori premise anyway, but this movie just didn’t do a thing for me.

Memo to the Department of Repetition Department: doesn’t the ‘O’ in I.O.A. stand for ‘Oversight’? So Landry telling Cam that Marrick was from “I.O.A. Oversight” was a bit unnecessary.

I liked Cam’s first command on taking the chair on Odyssey’s Bridge: “Weapons to maximum ... That was a joke, Marks. Make it go.”

Why has Teal’c only got a grey streak on one side of his head?

Reynolds! Yay!

Early in their fight, RepliMarrick grabs the end of Cam’s gun and uses it to hurl him into the wall. Is Cam so possessive of his P-90 that he doesn’t think to let go?

How exactly was the Doci torturing Daniel and Tomin? Simply by chanting? It felt like there was some deleted footage showing exactly why the chanting was so painful to them.

Adria surrounded by flames was a gorgeous special effect.

How did Vala get the keys to the cells? Again, there seemed to be some missing footage between her leaving Adria’s room and arriving at the cells with the keys.

The Termi-cator was ridiculous! Why would it assume the form of Marrick’s skeleton? At first I thought the Replicator bits had wrapped themselves around his skeleton, but then when they disintegrated when Sam finally found the self-destruct command, there was no sign of any bones.

Do the Priors enjoy taking a long time to kill people? Why else did the ships take it in turns to fire at Odyssey instead of all firing at once?

Cam’s no Jack O’Neill - he would never have surrendered just because Odyssey was getting its ass whumped!

Rip-off city: the two glowing beings (Adria and Morgan) twirling around each other was a carbon copy of the final battle between Kosh and Ulkesh in Babylon 5.

The Special Features contain an oddity: why is the Prelude to the movie available as one of the Special Features when it’s already available as an option at the beginning of the movie itself?

No deleted scenes? No gag reel? The convention footage was fun, though.

Bring on Continuum.


By Josh M on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 12:21 am:


quote:

Callie: Why has Teal’c only got a grey streak on one side of his head?




He's always only had it on one side. Since Unending and in his subsequent appearances on Atlantis.


quote:

Callie: Early in their fight, RepliMarrick grabs the end of Cam’s gun and uses it to hurl him into the wall. Is Cam so possessive of his P-90 that he doesn’t think to let go?




Well, yeah, it's his gun. Being disarmed in a fight to the death is never a great idea.


By Callie on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 8:01 am:

It was a general question about Teal'c's hair rather than specific to AoT. Most people go grey on both sides of their head at the same time - I know I am! - but maybe it's a Jaffa thing to go grey lopsidedly.

When the Supergate kawhooshes, the event horizon has what look like tendrils coming out of it as it reaches its maximum distance from the Gate. We've not seen these before, even with a Supergate.


By Merat on Tuesday, April 29, 2008 - 10:56 am:

Some people do get that one grey streak in their hair as they age. I know a woman who has, and like the housekeeper said in "All Good Things", "(s)he looks like a bloody skunk!"


By Chris Marks (Chris_marks) on Wednesday, April 30, 2008 - 7:01 am:

Finished watching this last night (bought it on monday, but my first copy glitched about an hour - when Vala meets Adria).
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Initial nits: Firing of bullet 'throwing' weapons on the star ship. When firing at the Replicators the bullets hit and destroy the 'spiders', but firing automatic fire, several bullets are put out the barrel, they would bounce all around possibility hitting the person firing the weapon. This was apparant when the four crew members were lined up with a light machine gun and some assault rifles and fired and fired at the Replicators.
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The initial ricochets off the walls would go out into the corridor, not back into the people firing.

Kudos to the effects team - the fire on Adria was magnificently done.

Morgan healing Teal'C wasn't though - as she hadn't been reintroduced by them, a pale glow would have been better than seeing her hand.

Isn't giving Cameron command of the Odyssey like giving the captain of a coastguard cutter command of the USS Nimitz? He may have the rank to do it, but he's basically a fighter jockey, and doesn't necessarily have the skills that command of the Odyssey would require.

And have they really left all the Asgard tech on the Odyssey? Did no one think that a warship is maybe not the best place for something that is completely irreplacable?

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I liked Cam’s first command on taking the chair on Odyssey’s Bridge: “Weapons to maximum ... That was a joke, Marks. Make it go.”
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And on that note - Callie, can I just ask, has there been a Sullivan yet in Stargate? :D


By Callie on Thursday, May 01, 2008 - 6:24 am:

Not to my recollection. It's the biggest oversight of the series, and the producers should be ashamed of themselves!


By Jean Stone on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 6:02 pm:

Just got my copy and it had a glitch too, right when Marrick gets Replified. Maybe the Replicators infested my DVD player...

I wasn't a huge fan of the Ori arc or the final two seasons in general but I thought the movie did a good job wrapping things up. Of course it wouldn't be right if I didn't also have a few nits.

I got the impression that the Ancient who designed the Ark also designed the Stargates. If so, he's one smart person. Just one little problem: If he built them after coming to the Milky Way and the Ori pretty much ignored the Ancients after they left their galaxy, how did the Ori get gate technology, rings and so on? Anyone got a sort of Ancient chronology because either I'm confused about what happened when (like that plague they built the Dakara Weapon to fix... in a galaxy the Ori didn't know existed) or there's a bunch of nits here.

Daniel said that Dakara was the first place the Ancients landed in the Milky Way. How does that work with the fact that the Antarctica gate on Earth was theorized to be the oldest in the network?

So, who did program the crystal? It's not as if that many people are likely to have had access to the Asgard core. I was waiting to find out that it was somebody we know but they left it hanging.

Why did the Ori fleet just show up at the solar system and then do nothing for the rest of the movie? Did they stop at Jupiter to sightsee before invading Earth?

NANJAO time: While Morgan and Adria's fight looked cool, Babylon 5 did the same thing a decade earlier and SG1 did pretty much the same thing with Oma and Anubis. A bit sloppy methinks. If they want to really screw with us in some future movie Oma and Morgan will be temporarily distracted, Anubis and Adria will be freed and the two will meet and combine into one big honking cliche.

Anyone else mildly disappointed that 'ol one-eye didn't do much in the film but spout cliches for one scene?

One wonders if leaving the Ark intact as per Daniel and Landry's conversation at the end could turn out to be a Bad Thing After All. We may never know unless it shows up on Atlantis.

While showing the team going through the gate at the end leaves things open for both future films and our imagination, the impact was reduced somewhat by the fact that they did the same thing with extra sentimentalism in Unending. Of course I still maintain that the series could have ended just fine with Mobius or even Threads. Hopefully Continuum at least will have a last scene we haven't seen before.


By ScottN on Tuesday, June 03, 2008 - 7:40 pm:

"'ol one-eye"?


By Josh M on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 12:10 am:

I think Jean is referring to the one-eyed Prior.


By Callie on Wednesday, June 04, 2008 - 2:26 am:

Oma and Morgan will be temporarily distracted, Anubis and Adria will be freed and the two will meet and combine into one big honking cliche.

Possibly the best line I have ever seen on this board in relation to Stargate!

We may never know unless it shows up on Atlantis.

I think they have plans for more SG-1 movies, provided the cast are all available.


By Don F (Dupmeister) on Wednesday, June 10, 2009 - 8:01 am:

The biggest nit for me is the very invention of the Arch of truth itself. The film opens millions of years ago with a bunch of Ancients debating the use of the Arch. by the dialog we are left to believe that the Ori are already ascended beings and the Ancients are a few refugees in hiding. they debate using the arch to let everyone know the Ori are not gods but ultimately decide to let folks figure it out themselves.

I have issues with this time line. If indeed the Ori ascended first there would be no ancients because why wouldn't the ori just wipe them out? if they already had the power of accession behind them and the ancients did not then they would have crushed them like bugs and even if the ancients left. the Ori could have followed them. it only makes sense if the Ancients get there first. because the ancients by thier prim directive way of thinking would not interfere with the Ori ascending and if the ancients made it there first they could have cloaked the Milkyway from the Ori.

As long as they were going to come up with a one button fix for the Ori problem why not use the time machine sitting in the basement of SGC? fly back to the day they accidentally made contact with the Ori. go down in that cavern, find the communication device, whisk it away and fly back to our time. when past Cam and crew go down in the cavern they find all the treasure and a lovely book about where the ancients came from but not CB radio from hell.


By davidh (Dh1852) on Friday, November 13, 2009 - 10:24 pm:

Did they ever explain why the replicators didn't fight back when the Odyssey was attacked by the Ori? They just sit there, waiting to get blown up.


By Keith Alan Morgan (Kmorgan) on Friday, December 31, 2010 - 6:35 am:

Amazing! All that gunfire & yet there doesn't seem to be any damage to the walls, or consoles, on the Odyssey.


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