The second of the two TV movies to follow on from Season 10 of SG-1, this too should air in the autumn of 2007.

Further details and plot spoilers can be found here.

Umm, I know that this hasn't been produced yet and we have no idea how it's going to work out but... doesn't this sound just a little like a rehashing of Mobius?

Richard Dean Anderson has signed up for this one, and he and the rest of the crew are off in the Arctic filming scenes.

Spoiler for a character return - if you don't want to be spoiled, don't even mouse over the link below 'cause that gives it away too!

She's not quite dead!

Well, she is, 'cause this is all to do with time travel and alternate universes, but she's back for a bit.

... of all the returns they could do, they did that? Ok, I'm certain there will be plenty more (ahem, we've been waiting most of season ten to find if Jonas is still alive) but the wait is going to be the death of me.

He's too busy hallowing the Ori :-( but I agree - wouldn't it have been nice if they could have signed up Corin Nemec for one of the films?

With the delay to the release of "The Ark of Truth", this too won't be released until "the first half" of 2008. Currently no reasons have been given for the delay.

Well, if these do well they apparently want to do 1-2 more each year, so hopefully we'll eventually get a Jonas story.

Based on the photos I've seen, the Jack O'Neill in the movie is going to be the "real" one, as opposed to the one from the alternate timeline. The one photo of him on Gateworld looks like it's from the Ba'al execution scene, and it looks like he's wearing SGC patches.

July release, according to Gateworld. The timing of this movie is also up in the air and (highlight for possible spoiler) the events of this movie may be used to explain Carter's departure from Atlantis.

There's a bootleg trailer floating around the Internet. My only question is: How many Ha'taks does it take to screw in a lightbulb?

None. Goa'uld prefer torchlight and since lightbulbs are obviously not Goa'uld technology they must be destroyed on sight.

Anyways, I've heard a rumor that the Arctic scenes in this movie will feature another familiar face that hasn't been mentioned in the cast list yet. The Penguin Goa'uld did say it would meet Daniel again...

I have seen this movie (even bought it legally!) and it is Awesome! Ark of Truth bored me to tears, but this was fantastic - vintage SG-1 and made me pine so much for the good old days pre-Season 8.

More comment when I've watched it again, but oh my god, guys, you must see this!

INCREDIBLY. AWESOME. MOVIE. Loved the (SPOILERS)







...Arial combat, sub scenes, return of a few familliar faces- and especially the revelation of the 'prisoner' not being Teal'c, and all the implications of that simple, masterful moment. Of course, those are just a few fantastic bits of many, many.

I was also glad they didn't have Mitchel actually BECOME his own grandfather, which I was afraid they were going to for a moment there.

The Master Plan device was brilliant... and even moreso was the look on baal's face when he sees Mitchel in the end. Priceless.

I’ve watched this about five times now, and still can’t get enough of it. It is such a superb part of the Stargate empire.

I squeed like the fangirl I used to be at the sight of Major Davis at the beginning – and laughed hysterically when I finally realised that that was his only appearance!

Great opening single tracking shot from the Gate through the Gateroom, up into the Control Room, down the other side, along the corridors and back into the Gateroom again.

Loved the BIMOL from Siler, and Sam and Daniel’s faces as he walks away.

The Tok’Ra have never been portrayed as the type to go in for long, almost religious, ceremonies. And if Ba’al is in stasis, presumably he can’t even hear the charges being chanted anyway.

Why did Vala and then Teal’c disappear so much earlier than everyone else? And why did everyone/everything else vanish one person/thing at a time?

My eyesight – and hearing – must be getting worse. I did not realise that the Achilles’ captain was played by Ben Browder until his last line during his first scene.

On the frozen ship, Sam says that there is no EM to determine where they are, but once they’re off the boat she seems very confident that they’re above the Arctic Circle.

Best line EVER: Daniel’s anguished, “Oh, sh*t.”

Major Wood, who is with alt-Jack on the ice, is played by Martin Wood, the film’s director.

For those who don’t already know, that’s not CGI – that’s a real nuclear submarine breaking through the ice of the real Arctic. The US Navy agreed to do it just for the movie (although they were up there already), and it’s the sub’s real crew talking to the cast.

Apparently the plot point of Daniel losing his leg was written in because Michael Shanks was too much of a wuss to go to the Arctic with the others! The scene in the sub’s wardroom was filmed in the studio, where they built a lifelike replica of the real wardroom, but all other scenes were in the real sub.

The look of bewilderment on Daniel’s face when Jack says to Sam, “You’re the astronaut – you tell me,” is classic!

Landry was awesome as he told SG-1 that they had no right to interfere with this timeline.

With such a common name as ‘Mitchell’, what were the chances that the Air Force would consider Captain Mitchell worthy of a mention?

I love the way that Sam and Cam mouth “Navy?!” at each other when Landry tells them who’ll be running the Stargate programme.

Gorgeous moment: Landry tells the team, “It was a pleasure meeting you.” Cam says, “Yeah,” then looks sadly at his team mates as he continues, “It truly was.”

Outside Cam’s house, there’s a sign above the garage saying, “The Hendersons.” Apparently the film crew forgot to take it down when they were shooting that scene.

Love the way a plaintive version of the Stargate theme plays as Daniel finds his alt-self’s book in the bookstore.

I wondered why Sam was wearing glasses, but presumably she was ordered to do so in an attempt to make her look less like her dead alt-self.

I also wondered how Daniel was able to direct-dial his alt-self, but Brad Wright explained in the commentary that he had often stayed at the same hotel (and presumably the same room) and so knew the direct number to that room.

If no Mitchell has ever lived in Cam’s old house, why is there a photo of Captain Mitchell on the owner’s mantlepiece?

I squealed at the sight of Apophis!

Why would Apophis call Teal’c a “shol’va”? Obviously it’s a word the fans love to hear, but it’s not appropriate in the context. Presumably Teal’c has always been Ba’al’s First Prime and so Apophis would expect nothing else from him but loyalty to his master.

Great line from Ba’al to Apophis: “Did you plan to say that when you walked in ... (slashes off the top of his head) ... or was it just off the top of your head?”

Claudia Black is so much better as Qetesh than she ever was as Vala – and a whole lot less annoying!

I got really teary-eyed at the first sight of General Hammond. I don’t know why it’s happening but Don S Davis seems to be constantly appearing on the TV just lately. He was in two programmes at the same time on British TV last Friday, and I still cry each time I see him.

If Daniel usually walks with a stick, why doesn’t he have it when SG-1 meet with the President?

Great line:
Sam to Hammond: “Sir, it’s good to see you.”
Hammond: “If you say so.”

Daniel says it’ll take a couple of days for them to steal a cargo ship, get to Taonas, retrieve the ZPM and bring it back. He may be forgetting that Jack – full of Ancient knowledge – got the cargo ship flying way faster than normal, so it’s likely to take much longer this time. And can a non-Ancient gene carrier even open the ZPM module in the Chair on Taonas?

On first time of viewing, I was so excited about seeing Nirrti, Yu, Cronos and Camulus that I didn’t even realise that the guy at the end of the row was Ra. But where was Anubis? He didn’t even get a mention.

When the US Air Force heard what the Navy was doing for the film, they refused to be outdone and gave them a few F-16s to play with! Apparently the planes were towed around the tarmac for hours on end while the film crew shot the cast in the cockpits from quite low down in order to get many of the ‘in-flight’ shots.

It was only when Qetesh said she hadn’t left Ba’al’s side for 50 years that I realised that Vala is much older than I’d ever realised.

The pilot of the F-16 who talks with Cam is Brad Wright, the co-creator and Executive Producer of the series.

Great line: Daniel to the Russian MIG pilots: “We’re Americans. Please shoot the people chasing us.”

Great line:
Russian guard (referring to the Stargate): “We called it ‘Anchor’ because it was found on bottom of ocean.”
Daniel: “... Are there any grown-ups that we can talk to?”

The slo-mo deaths of Daniel and Sam would have been more poignant if we’d not already seen similar in 2010.

How do the Tok’Ra stop the symbiont from poisoning its host before it is extracted?

Cam has a photo of Captain Mitchell and (unknown to himself) himself in his locker. Who does he think the other guy is? Did past-Cam have the photo taken and then disappear out of Captain Mitchell’s life, or did he pretend to be some distant relative?

Marvellous, marvellous film. I almost hope that they aren’t planning any more, cos this one will take some beating.

"My eyesight – and hearing – must be getting worse. I did not realise that the Achilles’ captain was played by Ben Browder until his last line during his first scene." -Callie

Me neither! And it was so obvious during the ending that I thought "I must've been asleep at the beginning!" :-)


"For those who don’t already know, that’s not CGI – that’s a real nuclear submarine breaking through the ice of the real Arctic. The US Navy agreed to do it just for the movie (although they were up there already), and it’s the sub’s real crew talking to the cast." -Callie

I wondered about the cast... but the sub... that is about the most awesome thing I've ever heard. :-)


"I also wondered how Daniel was able to direct-dial his alt-self, but Brad Wright explained in the commentary that he had often stayed at the same hotel (and presumably the same room) and so knew the direct number to that room." -Callie

He references that in the dialogue, too- though of course we don't know specifically to what without the commentary.


"If no Mitchell has ever lived in Cam’s old house, why is there a photo of Captain Mitchell on the owner’s mantlepiece?" -Callie

I wondered that, too- perhaps it was an old family home, owned by the Mitchells at some point in the past (which the current owner didn't know) and they kept photos of past owners there to show the history of the place... or it was put there as a memorial by the Mitchells and subsequent owners have kept it there out of respect? (Okay, flimsy excuses, I admit...)


"Why would Apophis call Teal’c a “shol’va”? Obviously it’s a word the fans love to hear, but it’s not appropriate in the context. Presumably Teal’c has always been Ba’al’s First Prime and so Apophis would expect nothing else from him but loyalty to his master." -Callie

I got the impression Teal'c had been recruited by Baal as a 'double agent'- that Baal let history proceed as usual with Teal'c becoming Apophis' First Prime, etc... but he was secretly 'on Baal's payroll' while he was.


"If Daniel usually walks with a stick, why doesn’t he have it when SG-1 meet with the President?" - Callie

I think the montage of a year passing showed that he now had an artificial leg (seen on the bed beside him when he makes his call to himself) and is now proficient enough at walking with it that he doesn't need a stick anymore.

I bought the DVD today and watched it tonight.

I knew the ship captain was Ben Browder as soon as he spoke, and I also recognized his mouth - I have noticed its small size previouly. I wondered immediately if he was supposed to be a relative of Mitchell's. (or they were saving on costs by not having to use another actor)

Also, it might be my TV but the ship scenes were quite dark (at the beginning of the movie) and I could not see a lot of what was happening. I have no idea how the ship got to the Arctic or what the captain did in the last scene.

Vala looked quite different in several scenes; almost like another actress entirely.

Teal'c would not have always been Ba'al's first prime. The timeline was only changed from 1939, and it was only Earth's timeline so Teal'c would still have started out with Apophis.

An interesting thought though - in the first episode of season one Apophis, Teal'c and others came through the gate at Stargate Command. Presumably they were dialling randomly because they did not know about Earth (according to the movie). So would they not have dialled into the same box/ship that SG-1 dialled into in the movie? Or the one in Antarctica? That would have been interesting to see.

Beth - ;)

I thought the scenes in the ship were very dark too, Beth. After the Stargate had closed, Captain Mitchell picked up the big sphere that Ba'al and his boys had left behind and dropped it out of the side of the ship so that it exploded in the ocean instead of destroying the ship.

Presumably the ship was either too damaged to steer, or Captain Mitchell - the last survivor on the ship - died of his injuries so that the ship steamed on unguided until it ran out of fuel and then drifted until it reached the Arctic.

Good point (from Beth and Zarm) about Teal'c not always being Ba'al's First Prime.

Beth's last comment made me realise that a nit from Season 1 Episode 1 has finally been answered! We always wondered how Apophis re-opened the SGC Gate without a DHD, and now at long last we know! Can't believe it took them ten years to answer that question!

Presumably in this alt-timeline Apophis never came to Earth because he was too busy fighting Ba'al.

Just came in yesterday's mail. Get to watch it tonight!

You lucky fellow, you. :-)

and even moreso was the look on baal's face when he sees Mitchel in the end.

Did he see Mitchell? I thought that the third eye appeared before he had a chance.

On the frozen ship, Sam says that there is no EM to determine where they are, but once they’re off the boat she seems very confident that they’re above the Arctic Circle.

1. They have to be at either the North or South polar area.
2. Once they're out of the ship, EM isn't blocked. A sealed steel ship makes a pretty darned good Faraday cage.

"My eyesight – and hearing – must be getting worse. I did not realise that the Achilles’ captain was played by Ben Browder until his last line during his first scene." -Callie

Me neither! And it was so obvious during the ending that I thought "I must've been asleep at the beginning!" :-)

Well, they did have that profile shot of both of them, to drill it home... just in case we missed it.

"Did he see Mitchell? I thought that the third eye appeared before he had a chance." -ScottN

reviewing it... yes, there is definitely a reaction shot of shock- then it cuts to a closeup of Mitchell, who pulls the trigger, followed by the 'third eye.' :-)

And here's a cheery thought...

Baal's time machine is still out there. Does the clone know where it is?

He might do, but presumably he's a good guy now that his symbiont has been removed. But it might lead to future movies where SG-1 go and find it and cause havoc!

Not a nit... but I was rather disapointed when they went to Russia. I kept expecting Col. Checkov to show up. With everyone else and the kitchen sink showing up, he was almost conspicious in his absence.

And speaking of everyone else showing up... Ra. I know that it's the same actor who played him previously on SG-1, but for that apearence he had his mask on the entire time. Since he had no dialogue, and was (if I recall correctly, been a good five days or so since I watched it) never spicifically identified in dialogue, the only way you'd know he was Ra was if you listened to the comentary, or if you noticed Ra was listed in the credits and figured it out through process of elimination. ("I know all of these other System Lords, so the odd man out must be Ra!") I know they'd have never gotten the actor from the original Stargate film, but it would have been nice if, just to make Ra easier to identify, ththey'd cast someone with at least a passing resembelence to him.

As for the picture in Mitchell's locker at the end... Durring that scene, Mitchell definitely gave me the impression that he was sure the last Ba'al was gone. I'm thinking maybe he sent himself a letter via Western Union, all "Back to the Future" style, that would have been delivered shortly before the events of this movie.

Now for the big question... Presumably, Mitchell-in-1939 spends the rest of his life trying to be as unobtrusive as possible. Thinking about "Unending," I can see him getting quite frustrated with this. While he may not be as confined in terms of space, I'd think doing his best not to alter the timeline further would leave him being even more isolated then he would have been in that episode. But I digress.

My question was this: You think, if he managed to live another thirty years, he'd try to go find out first hand if the rest of SG-1 had indeed been kidding when they once implied something about his parentage?

I know just what you mean - it wasn't until the second time of viewing when I watched the end credits that I realised that Ra was one of the crew with Ba'al! He was mentioned when (I think) Qetesh listed all the System Lords who had capitulated to Ba'al but when I first watched the film I didn't even notice the quiet guy on the end of the row!

His only line of dialogue, IIRC, was a "Yes, my lord," along with the others when Ba'al dismissed them.

I too am assuming that Cam just kept out of the way and tried not to interfere with the timelines for the rest of his life - and, like you, Matt, I find it hard to believe that he would have managed this!

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You know, it's a shame they killed off Baal. You have to admit that he had style.

Yes, yes I do. Have to admit that, that is.

"Outside Cam’s house, there’s a sign above the garage saying, “The Hendersons.” Apparently the film crew forgot to take it down when they were shooting that scene." - At the time, I assumed he was living under an assumed name. Henderson was his mother's maiden name, I believe. Upon reflection, though... why would he?

"If no Mitchell has ever lived in Cam’s old house, why is there a photo of Captain Mitchell on the owner’s mantlepiece?" - I thought the current owner was an alternate universe possible family member of Cam's and that the picture was of his long dead relative.

I watched again to check (big sacrifice, I know), and the sign that reads "Hendersons" appears to be over his neighbor's garage, not his.

No, I don't think it is. On sixth watching, when Cam arrives at the house, you can see that it has a double garage to its right, and then there's a walkway between Cam's house and the house next door. The garage with "The Hendersons" on it is, I think, definitely the right-hand one of the two attached to Cam's house.

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Anyways, I've heard a rumor that the Arctic scenes in this movie will feature another familiar face that hasn't been mentioned in the cast list yet. The Penguin Goa'uld did say it would meet Daniel again...
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I noticed that the bookshop that Daniel finds the book in has a sign outside - with a Penguin on it. Wonder if that was just co-incidence, or whether it was thrown in for us?

Considering everyone else that they brought back for cameos, couldn't they have brought Teryl Rotherly back as well?

Would Daniel really have lost his leg from what happened? I could see him losing a few toes maybe, but not his whole leg. But the moment they got into the firefight in Baal's control room, I knew he was dead because of his leg - I didn't expect Sam getting shot as well though.

Penguins are never a coincidence! ;-)

Actually, missed this earlier.
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If Daniel usually walks with a stick, why doesn’t he have it when SG-1 meet with the President?
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Well, when he initially lost his leg, he was on two crutches (say it's about a week after meeting Landry). When he goes book hunting, he's got a stick, and seems to be leaning on it heavily, which may indicate that he's just received the prosthetic, and is getting used to walking on it (a month or two on from moving into his apartment?).

By the time Baal shows up (one year - and presumably one year after Daniel tries to phone himself, Sam went shopping and so on, not one year after arrival through the gate), Daniel may have had the prosthetic long enough to be comfortable walking on it unaided.

Remember, the Russians had recovered the original gate from the wreck of the Achilles and managed to ship it back to somewhere in Russia.

And that's reminded me of something else - wouldn't a military transport have been a better bet to get SG-1 down to McMurdo and then onto Russia rather than a pair of F-15s (and who was Sam's Observer/RO?). Even with mid-air refuelling, could they really have flown all that way down?

"The Penguin Goa'uld did say it would meet Daniel again..."

I dunno, I always just saw that scene as an homage to the end of the original Stargate film... hence Shauri's resurrection for just the one episode, and the game of catch with a severed first-Prime head... but maybe I was missinterpreting.

Callie, nope, that garage is attached to the house next door. You can see the lady and her kid walking out from their front door at the start of that shot.

"It was only when Qetesh said she hadn’t left Ba’al’s side for 50 years that I realised that Vala is much older than I’d ever realised."

Which brings up an interesting question... just how old IS her father?

Shouldn't the whoosh have only blasted a hole in one side of the box?

Callie - It was only when Qetesh said she hadn’t left Ba’al’s side for 50 years that I realised that Vala is much older than I’d ever realised.
Qetesh may not have left Baal's side, but was she always in the same host?

Personally I thought the movie was a little slow & dragged at points, but I loved all the call-backs of familiar faces.

Qetesh may not have left Baal's side, but was she always in the same host?
Oooh, good point!

re the kawhoosh: back in the original movie there was a swirly vortex behind the Stargate as well as the big splash at the front. I'm trying to think of an episode where the Stargate was right in front of something that didn't get destroyed when a wormhole formed. There are probably several where there was stuff fairly close behind the Gate that was undamaged, so yes, that's almost definitely a nit if in this case the crate was blown out at the back as well.

I suppose it could be argued that that much energy going off in an enclosed space might blow the back out as well, but we're not quite dealing with reality here. ;-)

Didn't think of this till after I logged off, but where was the original Ba'al?

I mean it's possible modern Ba'al told his younger self everything that he would need to know to be the top System Lord, but it seems more likely the modern Ba'al might just do it all himself, so where did the old Ba'al go?

Modern Ba'al probably bumped him off for fear that he would try and do the same to him.

this was far better then Arc of Truth (then again so was watching paint dry... the paint had less nits). But as watchable as this film was, it still had a few issues:
At first I was convinced that Vala was a nit in this movie because Q'tesh admits to being with Ba'all for 50 years and that would have mad Vala far too old to have her father show up in Family Ties. however previous posts here suggest the thought of multiple hosts through the generations. this is a good anti nit but it doesn't really have alot of continuity to it. Go'ould very seldom change hosts. in fact most have the same host for centuries or even milenia.

I personally think that Ba'al shouldnt have snagged Q'tesh at all. his whole M.O was to take his enemies and all the folk that gave him trouble and subvert them to his side. Now it makes little sense to keep Q'tesh by your side because you are just asking for a razor sharp sword in the back with that one. it would have been far more interesting if he found Vala as a young girl and raised her to worship him.

The other nit is Daniel, I think they forgot about half way through the movie that he is missing a leg. his cane vanishes towards the end of the movie and in the end when they are at the Russian base and they are heading for the star gate he literally RUNS and jumps through the gate, when he comes out on the other end he doesn't fall over or anything, in fact he moves around perfectly normal. his injury healed by forgetful writers.

When Q'tesh was sending wave after wave of Jaffas through the transport rings, SG1 should have shot and disabled the rings themselves instead of fighting a loosing battle against an inexhaustible supply of adversaries. They had no intention of using the rings to leave the place anyway and it would have bought them all the time they needed to properly set and activate the time machine.

I don't fully understand why Teal'c didn't kill Q'tesh the moment he realized what she was doing to Ba'al. Yes, both would probably have been killed in the process, but so what? Just put Ba'al in his sarcophagus to bring him back and all would have been fine. Then put Q'tesh in the sarcophagus also, so Ba'al can have his revenge.

Just before escaping through the russian Stargate, Mitchel turns around and sees a powerful explosion rush towards him. He hurriedly enters the wormhole, which instantly deactivates when he exits at the other end. But such a powerful explosion should have traveled down the wormhole as well, keeping it open and killing or seriously injuring everyone when blasting its way out at the destination.

Stargates are always very good at reading the script and shutting down as quickly (or slowly) as is required. ;-)