Twin Destinies

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: Stargate - SG-1, Atlantis, etc: Stargate Universe: Season 2: Twin Destinies
A transcript of this episode can be found here.
By Tim McCree (Tim_m) on Tuesday, March 15, 2011 - 10:27 pm:

Obviously time travel works differently in the Stargate Universe. Shouldn't the Alt-Rush have disappeared once the mission was aborted (along with the Alt-Destiny and Alt-Telford back on Earth).

Clever way to kill Telford off and keep him alive at the same time. His alternate self is back on Earth.

So the Destiny has two shuttles again.

Loved Eli just getting back in time to hear them compliment him. Then watch as they try to cover it up.

Poor guy runs all the way across the ship, out of breath, and then Young just holds up a walkie-talking. Duh.

Greer is loyal to the core. When Young was gonna stay, so was he. Also, I loved when Telford said he would make them go back by force, and Greer said: "You can try."

Chloe wanted to stay too. That was a surprise. She has her mother back on Earth.

I like this episode. It wasn't as confusing at last season's Time was.


By Callie (Csullivan) on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 4:57 pm:

Dear Brad Wright, Why don’t you write more episodes for this series? Your episodes have been brilliant, and much better than some of the rubbish churned out by Mullie and Mallozzi.

During the first conference in the Mess to discuss the state that Destiny is in, why is T.J. treating an injured soldier? Was she so essential to the conference that she dragged the poor bloke to the Mess so that she could participate while simultaneously patching him up? (And it wasn’t Berris, the guy injured by Chloe, as I initially thought.)

When the crew was unable to control Destiny much and were just along for the ride, there seemed always to be someone on duty in the Control Interface Room. Now that they do have more control of her, and regardless of the fact that she’s still on autopilot for a lot of the time, it seems strange that they apparently leave the Bridge abandoned at times.

I cracked up at the sight of Bill Lee in Eli’s clothes!!

When Young nonchalantly included himself in the count of the number of people that Nick would need to keep Destiny flying, I expected there to be a big dramatic moment of Nick’s eyes widening, together with cute background music. Instead, there was a bit of a surprised look from Nick and then the conversation continued. It was rather good that way.

The alt-Nick proves that he’s the same person by repeating the “ten plus two” conversation that he and Young just had. Dale looks confused and asks, “Twelve?” to which our Nick says, “Well calculated, Mr. Volker.” I know he’s all bewildered and everything, but that’s Doctor Volker. Presumably Brad wrote it wrong in the script and neither Bobby nor Patrick realised and pointed it out, but does this show not have a script editor to check stuff like this?

I liked the conversation in the Gateroom where Eli was suggesting that they should have reunions every Friday, and I giggled in delight as T.J. started listing the “S.G.C. brainiacs” and then turned to Vanessa, cos I knew immediately that she was about to say something uncomplimentary about Rodney McKay!

As the team reached the shuttle bay and Young said, “Open it,” I cheered and said, “Yay! Big bulkhead door gets another appearance!” even before the camera angle changed.

Mike Dopud must be looking for a new agent. While I’m glad that Varro was there in the Gateroom with the others, proving that the writers hadn’t completely forgotten about the Lucians, he didn’t exactly get the role of his career!

I scowled ferociously as alt-Rush tried to explain how Destiny was thrown back in time by a solar flare. I know they’ve done it in Star Trek and other sci-fi shows but even Rush – and hence Brad Wright – didn’t seem very convinced about how it worked. There seemed to be a definite air from the scriptwriter of, “OK, it just happened, all right? We can’t quite work out how and we don’t really care. Moving on ...”

Everyone here knows how much I love Nicholas Rush, so it almost goes without saying that I was in bits during his impassioned speech to the crew, but if ever there was a moment when I wanted this series to continue beyond the end of Season 2, this was it.

I was even more in bits as the volunteer scene started, and in particular was leaning closer and closer to the screen as Dale wrestled with his thoughts, urging him, “Go on. Go on!” and then broke down completely when he started to move.

I have to admit, though, that when Chloe moved forward I momentarily grumbled, “What use is she gonna be?” until I remembered that she’s super-smart at the moment. But how come she made the move without consulting or even looking at Matt first?

I liked the fact that they didn’t go for the predictable moment of Eli being the tenth and final volunteer. Nick already had more than ten and yet Eli still stepped forward, making it even more of a sacrifice.

Someone on the Gateworld Forum raised the question of how Telford didn’t smash into Earth’s Gate’s iris, but presumably the S.G.C. didn’t close the iris against incoming wormholes because they knew that Destiny would be dialling in shortly.

There was some additional discussion about exactly when the first Destiny jumped back in time and whether this might mean that Telford gated back to Earth before Eli went back to discuss his plans with the boffins, but the consensus seems to be that there was enough of a window that Telford didn’t arrive until after Eli had left.

I’ve never wanted to punch Telford more than when he said he would go first to warn Stargate Command that they’re coming. Anyone could do that – not to mention that Stargate Command already know they’ll be coming soon, will be prepared for any unexpected Gate activation and should already have the crash mats out. If Telford was any kind of soldier at all, he should have sent Camille first and he himself should be the last one through the Gate.

I sniggered when Telford told the evacuees, “You will follow in three-second intervals,” saying, “Yeah, cos that worked so well during the evacuation from Icarus!”

I love the way that Greer didn’t leave the ship until his commanding officer did.

But why did Nick blame Telford for everyone’s deaths? They would have gone regardless of whether Telford wanted it or not. Nick’s speech was never going to make everyone volunteer to stay, and so Telford was in no way responsible.

After alt-Nick has finished his flashbacks, the crew goes to the Bridge and sees the other Destiny floating near the star. So what did our Destiny do this time? Has she done a firewalk and charged up her batteries off camera, or did the crew divert her around the star to avoid the solar flare in case they hit it and were thrown back in time again?

This will be the first time that most of the crew have ever seen what Destiny looks like from the outside!

I was in fits of laughter at Adam being so proud of having chased all the way through the ship only to be reminded that he could have just radioed.

However, a minute later my head exploded at the concept of Destiny dialling her own Gate. Considering how much older and therefore less advanced this Gate is than the ones we’ve seen in SG-1 and Atlantis, I can’t imagine that even those more modern Gates could be given their own address (regardless of a distance calculation being thrown into the mix) without just throwing up their little gatey hands and saying, “You have got to be joking!”

Just after the salvage teams go through our Gate to go onto the other Destiny, there’s a stunning external shot of damaged Destiny against the sun. Once again I would kill – or at least maim – or at the very least shout extremely rude words at someone – for a large TV screen to see it on.

However, as the teams came through onto the damaged ship, I wondered whether they were going to do a Star Trek: Voyager and there would be some twist that would leave them having to stay on the damaged ship and abandon the more healthy one.

Our Nick warns the other one not to touch the damaged conduit and the other one sarcastically asks him, “D’you think I might know that?” Our Nick’s face is an absolute picture in the next couple of seconds!

Chloe is staggeringly not-bad in this episode. Did the aliens inject her with a proper personality last week?!

It’s annoyingly convenient that the one person who made it safely through the nine-chevron wormhole just happens to be the one person who dies by the end of the episode. Message to the producers: Go on – have the courage of your convictions for once, shock the lot of us and kill off a major character!

My hands were clapped over my mouth in a similar gesture before alt-Nick did the same as he realised what he had done to Telford.

And my hands clapped over my mouth in exactly the same gesture as our Nick arrived in the Chair Room and I realised that the other Nicholas was going to get his dearest wish: to merge with Destiny.

Considering the speed that Nick is going as he charges into the Stargate, he comes through the other side and stops remarkably quickly. He ought to be halfway across the Gateroom before managing to apply the brakes.

Brad Wright, regardless of possibly some dodgy science, you are a star at writing gripping sci-fi episodes. You are also the master of the Well. This episode had at least thirty-two lines that began “Well, ...”!


By Tim McCree (Tim_m) on Wednesday, March 16, 2011 - 6:55 pm:

This reminded me of an early Next Generation episode, Time Squared in which a future version of Picard was sent back in time somehow to prevent the Enterprise being destroyed. The plots were similar in that everyone except the Alt-version died in that future.

The only difference is that once said Alt-future was erased, the Alt-Picard vanished. As we all saw, the Alt-Rush didn't.


By Beth MacKeage (Beth__) on Friday, March 18, 2011 - 10:16 pm:

Tim, I was thinking the same thing. I completely expected the alt-Rush to disappear once the timelines merged. That is what should have happened. I was also thinking of the episode where there were two Samantha's and one of them had to go because there could not be two in the same timeline.

I was busy watching the Brier last week so had to PVR Deliverance and since I had not watched it by this past Tuesday when TD aired, I PVR'd it too and watched them back to back on Wednesday. Next week NCIS is back so I will be once again watching it on Wednesday.

Beth - ;)


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