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I always believed that Starfleet was formed in 2161 the same year as the Federation was formed, now Enterprise takes in 2151 and a Starfleet exists, what gives, also I want to see Garfield the orange cat in Enterprise. I hope this series isn't filled with annoying continuity errors, especially BIG ones. Also, we Trekkers must unite against negative stereotypes against us, as nerds geeks,dorks,dweebs,people with no life etc.
Do you know what the licensing fees for Garfield would be? I doubt that TPTB would pay them.
May I respectfully make the suggestion that newcomers browse through the posts made up until now before posting a question that's been answered or addressed already? The Starfleet/Federation thing's been discussed already, Tim.
But nontheless, if you're new to Nitcentral, welcome aboard!
Timothy...you wouldn't be the same guy as the 'Michael' who posted a Garfield-centric message in Star Trek Novels, would you? (See under 'Shatner's Star Trek Novels': 'The Return'.)
If so, may I respectfully make the following comments: 1) Yes, we've all noticed that Spot from ST:TNG is orange. Many cats are orange. Also Garfield is striped, which Spot is not, so I doubt there's homage being paid here.
And 2) If you can tell me what dramatic purpose '22nd-century women playing with Garfield dolls' would serve, I'd be grateful. (If not, you might want to head over to the ST:TOS board and take the issue up with John A. Lang )
Kerriem:
Garfield TM dolls being played with by 22nd century women can have several dramatic purposes. Imagine if you will this scene,
Captain: Abandon Ship!
Ensign Mary: I can't leave Garfield TM! (Runs off to retrieve Garfield TM)
Captain: I can't hold it much longer (jumps from console into escape pod as ship starts exploding.)
Ensign Mary (jumps in as pod doors close): I got it! Too bad the explosion ripped my uniform in strategic places.
Captain: That Garfield TM has a hidden Romulan bomb! Throw it out this ejection shaft!
Ensign Mary: Oh no, not Garfield TM! Quick do dramatic surgery and cut the red wire!
Captain (cutting into Garfield TM: This stuffed animal is pregnant! (dramatic music and commercial.)
Many exclamation points can be used with Garfield TM.
Sorry Kerriem, this whole post is .
Wow! Sorry guys I couldn't stop myself.
Have no fear, John A. Lang is here.....
What dramatic purpose do 22nd century women have playing with Garfield dolls?
Throwing them at obnoxious guys who try to take them out to dinner or make unwelcome sexual advances at them.
Throwing them at obnoxious women who try & steal "their man" (You know..."Hands off, he's mine!" attitude)
Some guys like women who collect stuffed animals. It's shows the guy that the woman has a "little girl" inside who wants to "come out & be bad"
Plus, the guy must "respect" the Garfield doll or the guy will lose the women's respect.
Who knows...an alien entity may come aboard and take possession of the Garfield doll & it'll eat all of the lasagna and Captain Archer will order it to be beamed out into space (Like Redjac)
[Sound of helpless laughter, muffled slightly by face in hands] OK, OK...I give! Uncle! You're both certifiable! :-P
>What dramatic purpose do 22nd century women have playing with Garfield dolls?>
Well, if it was a male charater playing with dolls, we could never take him seriously. Can you imagine Kirk or Picard playing with a garfield doll?
And how do you know they didn't, Charles, hmm? After all, we never saw every single second of their lives or know every single thing they've ever done now, do we?
Kerriem: Spot from ST:TNG is orange.
Luigi Novi: Actually, he was only an orange ginger tabby starting in Birthright part I. When he first appeared in Data's Day, he was a Somali breed.
To Luigi, Im curious what part of Italy are you from or do you currently live,Im part Italian myself and consider the fictional Garfield the cat part of my Italian heritage. Why you ask? Well according to the comic strip, Garfield was born in Mama Leone's Italian Restaurant in Muncie,Indiana in 1978 and Garfield's favorite food is Lasagna and other Italian food as well. I find it sexy when attractive women like Garfield, many do, I wonder if Christa Miller who plays Kate from The Drew Carey Show likes Garfield. Imagine if the evil Mimi likes Garfield, we know she likes those troll dolls. I like the name Luigi also, it reminds me of the Super Mario Bros video games for Nintendo. But Know this, there should be a Garfield Movie on the Big Screen worldwide. They can make 3 absurd Pokemon movies but not one Garfield movie, I miss when Garfield and friends was on Ch 11 weekdays. Even cable doesn't have it. The Drew Carey Show is soo funny , I wonder where I can get glasses like Drew's. Does anyone here know where I can get a real Garfield and friends episode guide with a Synopis of the Episodes. I can't find a single one, yet the other shows Episode guides with detailed synopsis. Another good Idea
How about a Crossover Universe movie with Star Trek and Star Wars Characters, Star Wars takes place in a different Galaxy in a different time, the past and under sites for both franchises the movie would be listed as BOTH a Star Trek and Star Wars movie. Imagine seeing that on the Big Screen. Have any Sci-fi novels been written about that? Take Care. May the force be with Us. Live Long and Prosper
To John A. Lang, are you a big Garfield fan, also on the official Garfield website at www.garfield.com under the What's Hot archive , there used to be a story about a 24year old woman from Kansas USA who loves Garfield and has over 680 Garfield things in her Room. The pictures on that page show her room is jam packed with huge Garfield stuffed toys, her father thinks it's " just ridiculous" and the 24yr old woman who is a College student said " I will never stop Loving Garfield" she has loved Garfield since age 4. Sadly that article is no longer on the Garfield website.
I love Garfield & I have a Garfield AND Odie stuffed toys in my office at home.
BTW...I hope this new show opens with "Space...the final frontier..."
We'll find out soon!
Luigi: Actually, I'm pretty sure it was the Somali Spot I was thinking of when I wrote that post (the one without stripes, anyway .)
But you're right, Abyssinian/Somali cats aren't really 'orange'...the technical term is 'ruddy', I believe.
Timothy, I tell you what, why don't you lobby the Chief for a Garfield (or maybe a comic strips in general) page on the board? I'd contribute - I used to read 'Garfield' a lot myself, but lately I'm more into 'Get Fuzzy', animal-strip-wise.
This whole discussion has got me thinking: What kinds of 20/21st-century fads do you think might last into the Star Trek era? I'm thinking maybe The Simpsons, possibly Pokemon...any other suggestions?
DICK CLARK! THE MAN WILL BE AROUND FOREVER!!
TUE
Insipid teenage singing groups that appeal to young teenage girls. Sorry, I gotta post this as anonymous and duck the birage of N'BackstreetSyncBoys Spears isn't insipid.
Timothy: To Luigi, Im curious what part of Italy are you from or do you currently live?
Luigi Novi: I was born in Hoboken, NJ, and have lived in Union City all my life. (U.C. doesn’t have a hospital). Both my parents are from the region Campagna. My father was born in Pomigliano, right outside of Naples, and my mother was born in Montemiletto (a town on top of a hill, hence the name), near Avellino. Ironically, although they grew up close to one another, they didn’t meet until they came here, when my father’s late great aunt, who worked in the same dress factory as my mom, introduced them on my dad’s second day in the U.S.
Timothy: Im part Italian myself and consider the fictional Garfield the cat part of my Italian heritage. Why you ask? Well according to the comic strip, Garfield was born in Mama Leone's Italian Restaurant in Muncie,Indiana in 1978 and Garfield's favorite food is Lasagna and other Italian food as well.
Luigi Novi: Well, I don’t remember that particular strip, but I did go once to Mama Leone’s in NYC as a child, before it was bought out by people who couldn’t make Italian food competently if Marlon Brando had a gun pointed at their head making them an offer they couldn’t refuse. I was also a big Garfield fan as a child, and although I no longer read him, I always draw a happy Garfield on the birthday card envelope when one of my young cousins has a birthday.
Timothy: I like the name Luigi also, it reminds me of the Super Mario Bros video games for Nintendo.
Luigi Novi: (Sigh.) Yeah, you and every yahoo who ever passed me by in the hallway in high school.
Well, I was wondering how long it would be after I first started posting here before someone made a Mario Bros. reference to my name. Now I know. Five months.
Timothy: Does anyone here know where I can get a real Garfield and friends episode guide with a Synopis of the Episodes?
Luigi Novi: Don’t know offhand, but TV and comic book writer Mark Evanier, writer of Groo the Wanderer, who wrote for Garfield, and who has a regular column, Point of View, in The Comic Buyer’s Guide, has his own website at www.POVonline.com, and you can email him at me@evanier.com. Try asking him.
Timothy: How about a Crossover Universe movie with Star Trek and Star Wars Characters…Have any Sci-fi novels been written about that?
Luigi Novi: I don’t think so, but when Marvel Comics had the Trek comics license, they did two Star Trek/X-Men crossover specials, one with TOS, and one with TNG set right after ST First Contact, and a novel as well. Seeing Bones and the Beast both respond "Yes?" when someone called "Dr McCoy" was priceless.
Dear Luigi Novi:
I think Novi means "new" but I don't know what Luigi means. (A new posting?[maybe not]) Do you know what it means off hand?
TUE: DICK CLARK! THE MAN WILL BE AROUND FOREVER!!
That's assuming that nobody gets to that picture in his basement... (mwahahahaha!)
Luigi (completely off topic but): I can sympathize about the Super Mario Bros. thing.
Just be grateful your name doesn't remind people of a certain malajusted teenage Stephen King murderer! It's not so bad now, but 15 years or so ago...agggghhhhh!
William: "Novi" means "new" in Latin. (In Italian, it's nuovo.) The name Luigi (or Louis, its English equivalent) means "fighter" or "warrior". Back when Marvel was publishing The New Warriors I thought it'd be fitting if that became the first book I ever worked on when I broke into the biz!
Kerriem: OK, I'll bite. Which character/book are we talking about?
I'd guess that she was talking about Carrie, since my other guess, Christine, while a malajusted murderer, was too old to be described as a teenager, nor as an inanimate object,would that word have been used even if "she" werein the proper age range. And I can't twist Cujo into that desciption at all. Besides if Kerriem is not quite her true name, it is probably close -- a second clue pointing toward Carrie
Timothy, I forget where but I read part of an online fanfic story where Luke Skywalker, I think it was, was flying in his X-Fighter away from some TIEs and he went through some sort of rift that took him from the Star Wars Universe into the Star Trek one, to Picard's time.
Yup, Carrie it is. And thanks a LOT, TomM, for comparing me to a CAR. Sheesh.
Oh, and hey, about that rabid-dog theory...
Anyhow, back to Star Trek. Anybody have any information on how this pilot's supposed to unfold?
Star Wars and Star Trek do take place in the same universe:
On an episode of Night Court, two men in TNG-era Starfleet uniforms were brought before Judge Harry, then get beamed up.
Mel Torme appeared on Night Court as himself.
Mel Torme appeared on Seinfeld as himself.
Jerry Seinfeld was interviewed on The Today Show on Seinfeld.
Kermit the Frog was interviewed on The Today Show.
Kermit was the host of The Muppet Show.
Luke Skywalker, Chewbacca, Artoo, and Threepio crashed The Muppet Show.
Clearly the two universes are intertwined.
(Incidentally, the same logic proves that Star Trek also exists in the same universe as Frasier, DC comics, and Scooby-Doo.)
Great analysis! The folks over on Crossover Madness would probably love it too!
Scooby-Doo? "Ratch out, Raggy! Romulans!"
So, it wouldn't be impossible for Batman, Mama Cass, Philys Diller, or the Harlem Globetrotters to appear on Star Trek at some point!
Also Sonny&Cher, and various others....
Leading up to the obvious line:
Suliban Captive: "I'd have gotten away with it, too, if it weren't for you meddling Earthmen!"
I'm voting for Batman and Robin. "Holy Final Frontier!"
Ohhhhh...sudden wonderful thought...does this mean the Muppets exist in the Trek universe, too? And if so, does that mean 'Pigs in Space' actually happened? Are Captain Link Hogthrob, Dr. Strangepork and First Mate Piggy new threats to the Federation?
I know that in the Garfield Stuff Catalog they have a shirt "Gar Trek" with Garfield supposed to be Captain Kirk, Odie as Mr.Spock. Nermal the cute Kitten as Scotty, and Arlene Garfield's Girl Cat Lover as Uhura. They also had "Fur Wars" with Garfield supposed to be Luke Skywalker, Odie as Darth Vader, Arlene as Princess Leia. Does anyone know what year exactly Starfleet was founded.?
Who would win Jonathan Archer Vs Jim Kirk in a fight? Also Mark Evanier only listed the titles of the Garfield and friends Episodes no Sypnopsis, and does anyone here think Time Travel is possible in real life like it is in Science fiction? There must be a Garfield movie!!!
Also NBC really should correct the horrible error they made in ruining the Seinfeld show with the corny 1 hour final episode with the gang ending up in Jail
Dear Tim,
Who would win Jonathan Archer Vs Jim Kirk in a fight?
It depends on who writes the script.
does anyone here think Time Travel is possible in real life like it is in Science fiction?
I'm sure some people think that, however I'd like them to explain why we aren't awash in temporal tourists from the future (assuming humanity survived.) That could be a topic for another board.
Does anyone know what year exactly Starfleet was founded.?
It's non-canon, but the Articles of Federation in the Star Trek Technical Manual charter Starfleet at the same time the Federation was founded. According to current (canonical?) timelines, that would be 2161.
Enterprise has a "Starfleet", but it's Earth only (UESPA?}.
Strictly speaking, time travel is possible, and happens all the time. My friend Chris Lopez pointed out to me that we're traveling through time every nanosecond, in which 1-second = 1 second. Personally, I believe he was just being obtuse. As far as traveling across shortcuts in time (i.e.: travelling into the future), because of the way speed and gravity affect time, it happens every time people travel at high speeds relative to an observer (hence the term "relativity"), and the time dilation is greater the closer you approach the speed of light.
Caroll Alley, Professor of Physics at the University of Maryland, conducted a test in 1975 with two precisely synchronized clocks, one on a plane, one on the ground. After a 15-hour flight, the plane’s clock was 50 millionths of a second ahead of the ground clock. The plane had actually travelled 50 millionths of a second farther into the future than everything else.
The Gemini 7 astronauts aged 400 millionths of a second less than everyone on Earth, and the Gemini 12 astronauts 100 millionths of a second. President Nixon even joked with a group of returning Apollo astronauts (I don't know which misssion), upon their return to Earth:
Nixon: "I understand you're--Frank Gorman says you're a little younger by reason of having gone into space. Is that right? Do you feel that way? A little younger?"
One of the astronauts: "We're A LOT younger than Frank Gorman!"
As to whether it's possible to travel back in time, scientists have up until recently said it's impossible, but Stephen Hawking has stated that it could be theoretically possible with the use of wormholes. Of course, wormholes themselves are still only theoretical, and even if they do exist, it is believed that they are so small that only particles can travel through them.
Garfield & Friends is on Fox Family weekdays at 2 p.m.
Luigi got to this before me so all I have to add is that NOVA on PBS just ran an episode dealing with this last night. They had interviews with Hawkings, Sagan and a few other reputable scientists talking about wormholes and other aspects of quantum mechanics that could lead to time travel. They basically said that if it is possible then you wouldn't be able to go back past the creation of time machine. So since we cannot currently create one there wouldn't be any tourists in this time zone. Very interesting.
Time machines do exist now. They're called cameras.
Sorry Ive been gone a couple of Days, On a Serious note I want to condemn the sickening ,disgusting attack on American life and property which occured on Sept 11,2001 which is even worse than Pearl Harbor and the Oklahoma City Bombing combined.
On other matters, Carlton , which channel is the fox family Ch, do I need cable, Ive said it before, there really should be a Garfield movie, there really should be a crossover universe movie, It's tragic also the death of Lorenzo Music the voice of Garfield the cat. So the show must go on , other people must audition to do the voice of Garfield. I wonder if Christa Miller from the Drew Carey show likes Garfield.
Another Novel I read was The Rise and Fall of Khan Noonien Singh by Greg Cox, based on the original series episode "Space Seed" The sequel comes out in Spring of 2002. Yes, I know it's not Canon but it makes for good reading, hopefully we can discuss it
Timothy, honey, I know you love Garfield, but right now the death of Lorenzo Music isn't the tragedy most people are focussing on, OK? Please give the rest of the NitCentral posters a few days before hitting us with all those Garfield discussion topics.
PS: For discussion about all the Star Trek novels, go back to the Topics page and find the listing under that name.
The loss of life was horrific and tragic, but for those who don't have cable UPN should show the Premiere of Enterprise a few times until the regular Channels can be up and running after the terrorist attack. I know many friends and relatives who work down in that area, thankfully none were hurt.
6 more days and counting...
I can't believe they're premiering it on Yom Kippur! Well, that's what VCRs are for, I guess...
It's very fitting, Scott. They need to atone for the mistakes they made on DS9 and Voyager. :-)
minus 5 days and counting.
According to the official Sci-Fi Channel website
review of the pilot it begins b/w and then when
the Klingon crash lands it turns to color.
"It looks like we're not in Kansas any more
Toto!"
2 days and counting...
I downloaded those preview clips of different scenes from Broken Bow at Zap2it (the link is at TrekNation, in the story about the preview clips), and I must say...ME LIKE!
I really like Bakula's character, the scene where he recruits Hoshi, his interaction the Vulcans outside the sickbay where the Klingon, Klaang, is being treated. They showed pratically (what I assumed was) the whole opening teaser, and I LIKED IT!
PLEASE LET THE REST OF THE SHOW BE LIKE THIS!
Klaang? What an interesting choice for a name. Will there be Kraash,KaaBaang, and Koink as some of his fellow klingons?
Why must bowling night be on Wednesday? Perhaps I'll be ill.
Merry
Klaang? Is he the leader of the Klaangers?
Hope everyone's excited - shame I won't be seeing the show until Sky One shows it in the New Year... 
Merry,
Do you own a VCR? Tape it and don't look at this board until you've seen it.
Ooookay, folks. Can there be an actual episode board for when this airs? Because I don't want to have to wade through a bunch of stuff about Garfield to get to the show nits. Also, is there anyway that the "Enterprise" heading could be grouped with the rest of the Trek shows? It'd be easier to find then...
BTW, there's this new strip out with the same basic premise as "Garfield." It's called "Get Fuzzy," and it's way funnier.
"Get Fuzzy" is rather old, I belive. It is created by a guy from my town, Athens, Georgia, and it's been in the University of Georgia paper for at least 3 years now. (I think he is from here... or maybe his brother goes to school here.... oh well)
Klaang, Klaang, Klaang went the trolley. Ring, Ring, Ring, went the bell.
Sparrow, this ep airs this Wednesday.
homonopoteia: Klaang? What an interesting choice for a name. Will there be Kraash,KaaBaang, and Koink as some of his fellow klingons?
Merry: Is he the leader of the Klaangers?
Luigi Novi: No, but I heard that in the original Broken Bow script, he was accompanied by a Jewish Klingon brother, K'Vetch.
Awwwwww, Luigi, that is so old. Funny, but old.
I didn't want this to turn into the 'Garfield' page either, but Merat, according to the 'About the Artist' page at www.comics.com, 'Get Fuzzy's' creator, Darby Conley, is from Amherst, MA and went to college there. He did spend some of his childhood in the South, tho, so maybe he ended up in Athens at some point.
I do wholeheartedly agree however that 'Get Fuzzy' is the next funny level up from Garfield.
And now, can we please get back to actually discussing the new Star Trek show? (There really should probably be a board [or maybe just a thread under Comic Books] for comic strips.)
Klingon Klaang? Weren't they H.R. Pufnstuf's helpers?
Onomatopoeia
Maybe his ancestor from germany could drop by. Klink! HOGAN!
T-Minus 30.5 hours and counting! I just read a review of the pilot from sci-fi.com They are really praising the show, so hopefully it will be true. I also hope that since there is really no universal translator yet, that the Klingon K'put - sorry.. I meant Klaang will speak only Klingon and not in english.. Maybe there will be captions on the bottom of the screen. I assume the same will go for the Sulibans...
I feel like a kid in the back seat of a car. "Are we there yet?"
Alleycat, Ensign Sato will be an expert linguist, a sort of living universal translator, since electronic ones are still very new.
And MAN does she look CUTE in the scene where Archer recruits her!
MarkN - What I meant was hopefully the Actor playing the Klingon and the other Aliens will be speaking in their native tongue only.. Yes I assumed that Ensign Sato would eventually translate....
T-minus 8.5hours....
I envy those of you being able to watch it tonight. I don't have a UPN affiliate in my area. Luckily a CBS affiliate will be carrying the show (along with Buffy and Roswell, no other UPN shows), but they will air it Saturdays at 12:05AM, so I've got a few days to wait.
I am more positive about ENTERPRISE than I was for VOYAGER, but I'm amused by Braga's talking about being committed to continuity and "getting it right". He didn't on VOYAGER, so how can we take him at his word.