• Show Board October 06 - 8:36 pm

• Show Board 2 May 05 - 6:51 pm

our first look at the Romulans, even if the crew doesn't get a look.

Well, from the preview given after "Carbon Creek," it appears the Romulans have a cloaking device at this point. Which makes me wonder why Kirk was so shocked when the Romulans had one in "Balance of Terror."

I don't really count emotions as nits (unless they're displayed by a Vulcan ). If Kirk actually said "Romulans never had cloaking devices before!" or something like that, then it would be a nit. It takes a little more than a shocked expression to constitute a nit for me.

You have to be careful about things like this. It's been years since I've seen "Balance of Terror" all the way through. I don't remember anything about how Kirk felt about the cloaking device. I remember that it was uncommon, but I don't recall if it was completely unheard of in Kirk's time.

See ya later
TUE

IIRC, the entire point of the ep was that the Romulans had this new toy (the cloak), which they used to blow away Federation outposts along the Neutral Zone. Kirk had to find a way to outwit and destroy the enemy commander... which of course he did.

In The Enterprise Incident, the captains's log speaks of the cloak as a new development, but I get the impression he means a more recent development than would be true if he was referring to the same cloak as in Balance....

After they steal the device, and Spock tells the Romulan subcommander that they will unlock its secrets, she tells him that miltary secrets are the most fleeting of all. (And yet the Romulans did have effective cloaking technology in the TNG era)

My guess is that "Cloaking Device" is used to designate any and all Romulan Stealth technology. and Kirk's shock is partly based on how much further Romulan stealth technology advanced in the previous century than even remotely expected.

Besides, don't forget that in Balance..., flying through the tail of a comet was enough to disrupt the stealth effect of the cloak.

BTW, the Romulan ship in this episode looks a little too advance when compared to the TOS version (though it does look pretty cool as an updated version).

Well, Archer's Enterprise also looks a lot more advanced than Kirk's Enterprise. The only species whose ships actually seem to have regressed are the Klingons!

Well I think TPTB need to take some creative license. One could argue that the Romulans had no warp drive and no cloak. If that were true, how could they even have a war with Earth? I mean, c'mon!! Earth would blow them away in half a second.

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TUE

I agree with TUE on that one.

And as for all the whiners who keep moaning about how this Enterprise looks too advanced comapred to Kirk's Enterprise, what do you want Paramount to do? Make the model out of paper mache? Have the display boards done up in Crayola? Get real folks!

Well, if you allow for the quality of the materials the production staff had to use in TOS, then, in my opinion, the Enterprise does look less advanced than Kirk's.


By the way, we have to come up with some way of refering to the Enterprise on this show, since we can't say things like E or E-D, or E-E. How about E-Naught or E-01?

E-NX, NX-E maybe?

This is how it goes in my house. Let's adopt it here.

Enterprise
Kirk's Enterprise (refer to the series and the moives, including NCC 1701-A)
Enterprise B
Enterprise C
Enterpise D
The cool Enterprise

Sound good to everyone?

And as for all the whiners who keep moaning about how this Enterprise looks too advanced comapred to Kirk's Enterprise, what do you want Paramount to do? Make the model out of paper mache? Have the display boards done up in Crayola? Get real folks!

Exactly! And what do they expect them do to for uniforms, have them running arround in skins? then again that might not be so bad

Yes Archers Enterprise looks more advanced then Kirk's, but it definitly isn't. The transporter is rarley used. Kirk's enterprise seemed to have some form of replicator (perhaps a very advanced form of the protien resequencer (ie resequcnes carohydrates, sugar or even clothes as well?), they used the transporter all of the time, they had much more advanced weapons, it was a lot faster etc