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Production Credits:
Written by: Mike Sussman
Directed by David Stration

Guest Cast
Nathan Anderson: Sergeant Kemper
Ryan Honey: Guard
Ken Lally: Security Guard
Sean McGowan:Hawkins
Julia Rose: McKenzie
Robert Rusler: Orgoth
Kenneth A. White: Engineering Crewman

The Plot: The Enterprise incounters some more anomalies in the Expanse. This time they shut down the main power. Next, the crew comes across an powerless alien ship which appears to have suffered battle damage. Archer feels they may be attacked next. He is right. Pirates attack the ship but one of their crew is left behind.

Notes: 1. Crewman Fuller becames the first Enterprise crewman to die in the series (Remember Daniels said he wasnt really apart of Archer's crew. And of course he did not really die.) 2. This is the first time we see the brig.

My thoughts: Well I enjoyed this episode. A Vast improvement of the last one. I enjoyed the music. I thought it lost a little steam at the end but the last act was good.

Happy Nitpicking
By InSoc on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 1:28 pm:

Pay attention to the display when Enterprise is looking at the gap in the ion trail. One of the numbers that pops up is "8675309". Helooooooo 80's. (Also, first post! W00t!)


By Sparrow47 on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 7:31 pm:

And that means... what, exactly?

Also, I have an announcement to make before I start posting my nits. Archer seems really Angry! this season. You know who else is angry? Pirates, that's who. Thus, I hearby dub the good captain Captain Yarrrrrcher. Just so you know.


By Sparrow47 on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 7:35 pm:

Oh, I get it. Sorry. Hee! That is pretty funny, actually.


By Chris Booton (Cbooton) on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 7:37 pm:

I don't get it. What's so funny?


By Sparrow47 on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 8:01 pm:

Right. Actual nits. Well, I wasn't quite as up on this episode as I was its predecessor. It started out fairly well, with some good action scenes and special effects, and then it got sucked into the dark abyss that is Captain Yarrrrrcher's moral tug-of-war. And that wasn't exactly gripping drama. But then the ep managed to right itself, more or less, for a satisfying conclusion. Yay. Let's do this thing...

Three things I liked:

1) Big props to the camerawork here, especially in those opening scenes. The unusual pans and angles as the anomalies struck the ship were well-done.
2) Speaking of well done, most of the effects in this ep were spot on. The coffee flying out of Archer's mug was great, especially since they managed to make the stuff partially transparent later. Sweet.
3) Who says B&B don't know anything about character development? Remember at the beginning of the series when Hoshi quaked every time the ship moved? Now she's able to hack into another ship's computer and get the goods while the ship is under attack. Yay, Hoshi!

Three things I didn't like:

1) But just as cool and artsy the creators thought they were being with the clever camera angles, they lost their cred with the weird speeding up of the film during the "Archer tortures Orgoth" scene. I mean, what was that? I'm not sure if they actually did this, but it certainly looked like they kept messing with the film speed like it was some bad action flick. Very distracting.
2) Yarrrrrcher's dark night of the soul. Hmmmmm... You see, it's like they want to turn his character arc this season into one long version of "In the Pale Moonlight." Can they pull it off? Well, if this ep was any indication... no. The scene with Archer and Orgoth in the brig was slow, ponderous, and drug down the episode.
3) Also, we had a very important event during this episode. The first crewmember bit the dust! In the first two seasons, when Archer's crew was miracurously surviving everything that was thrown at them, it appeared that they were setting the First Death up to be a Big Deal. So, here we get the First Death... and what was the reaction? Trip and Reed seem mildly fazed. And Archer seems even more angry. And no one else really seemed to care. Fie! Fie!!!!!!!!!

Other Notes:

Those good effects I spoke of earlier? Well, they weren't perfect. The BumpCam shot that we got (where the POV followed the weird anomaly as it knocked people around in the halls) looked fine, until it was supposedly running into people. Then, it looked really really fake. Also, the explosion that was made when they blew the hatch off the non-Dyson sphere looked like they just superimposed a random explosion shot over the door. Not so good.

But on the "good" side, there were more people of color floating around the ship! Yay! Okay, I'll explain. See, for most of the first two seasons, all of the crew that we saw was, for the most part. White. Contrast this to the first few seasons of TNG- very racailly diverse! Here, though, we got three black crewmembers, plus Travis had something else to do. Hope that's not a fluke.

So, the warp field was broken, right? And Trip couldn't figure out how to fix it, right? And the problem seemed to lie in the fact that they were tooling around in the anomaly-rich Delphic Expanse, right? Well, when they get their anti-matter back, T'Pol says that suddenly, Trip will have the warp engines back in less than half an hour. What? So he's figured out how to fix it? The stranger thing is that the episode seemed to indicate that it was the return of the anti-matter that made this fix possible, but Trip earlier couldn't fix the engines when they had the anti-matter. That could have used a little more explanation.

Bonus point for coninuity goes out to the creators for referencing not only the Cochrane equation, but also telling us more about the Trellium D they were mining in the previous episode.

Also, the female MACO we saw here (McKenzie) was not the same one as the episode before (right?). So there's more than one! Cool.

Finally, why is Yarrrrrcher keeping his collar open all the time now? Is this a recent thing or did I just not notice it before? Because it stuck out every single time he showed up on screen. If this is a recent development, it needs to stop.

Overall Grade: B. Next week: Take one part "Terra Nova," and add one part "Rogue Planet." Simmer. Let cool and serve.


By orangebus on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 8:02 pm:

A lot of this episode didn't seem to make any particular sense. Do you suppose it's too much to expect that some of this will come back later in the season?


By Rene on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 8:45 pm:

Did Phlox make a bet with someone that he could get Trip and T'Pol together? That's the one way to explain his attitude last week and this week.


By InSoc on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 9:11 pm:

867-5309, people. It's a song by Tommy Tutone from the 80's.


By oregano on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 9:14 pm:

Hoshi could/should have been the one to talk to the alien they had prisoner. She could have been far more subtle and devious, tricking the alien into revealing enough information for her and the others to figure out everything they needed to know.
But no, Archer has have that scene.
She could have told the alien (and us) more about herself, to gain the alien's trust, etc.
Her questioning of the alien could have taken more of the episode--we see a few minutes at a time, interspersed with scenes of other things going on elsewhere on the ship.
I actually missed the first 18 minutes but understood the show well enough anyway. I don't know if that's a good sign, or not?


By Pair of Docs on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 9:21 pm:

oregano: ...I actually missed the first 18 minutes but understood the show well enough anyway. I don't know if that's a good sign, or not?

You understand it!!??:)

"IS THERE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE?"


By TPooh on Wednesday, September 17, 2003 - 10:46 pm:

They found stem bolts in the sphere. Were those self-sealing stem bolts?


By Trike on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 3:00 am:

"Anomaly" was an excellent Chapter 2. Here we are, inching along in the main Xindi plot, advancing it periphally while telling an intriguing, action-driven side story. The spatial anomalies, the cloaking field and the sphere all contributed to create a sense of the unknown, an uneasy feeling, that I haven't experience on Enterprise since ... I don't know when. The action sequences were well-done, especially Trip trying to zap the aliens with the malfunctioning warp engines (wasn't that the least bit risky?). The special effects continue to wow me. I don't think there are any better on TV today, though some of the shots bordered too closely on cartoony. In all, I was highly pleased with this story, its pacing and its ability to include all the regular characters in substantial roles -- even Travis. It was so good that I'm beginning to believe Enterprise just might pull out of its doldrums at last.

Nits and notes:

-- The shuttlepod connected to the alien ship through a top-side hatch. Have we seen this before? Usually, only Enterprise docks with other ships, not shuttlepods. Why didn't Enterprise in this instance?

-- The scene with the assault troops searching the alien vessel reminded me of the search scene in "Fight or Flight" (or "The One in Which Hoshi Screams a Lot"). It struck me as funny that Enterprise, after all the accusations of it being derivative of other Trek shows, was now being derivative of itself.

-- The reason for the gap in the ion trails seemed obvious to me: There was another anomaly between the gaps. I don't know why it didn't occur to any of the bridge crew. They hardly proceeded with caution afterward, just charging right in without knowing what might be inside.

-- Archer ordered Travis, "Take us into orbit" of the sphere. I'm stretching my scientific knowledge here, but doesn't orbiting require the object being orbited to have a gravitational pull. That's what keep the ship in a steady orbit. But with the artifical sphere, it might not have a gravitational pull.

-- Phlox told Trip he knew the Vulcan relaxation techniques were intimate. How is having someone touch your back intimate?

-- Archer later ordered T'Pol, "Have the away team speed things up." I thought away team was a term used in the 24th century, not in the 22nd.

-- So, was the sphere a Dyson's Sphere, like in TNG's "Relics" (or "The One with Scotty")? Probably not; Dyson's Spheres were supposed to be much larger, but it was similar in some ways; the shape, the door that responded to hails, etc. Further, is the advanced age of the sphere another sign that time operates differently inside the expanse? I suppose (hope) we'll find out in the coming weeks.

-- Archer continues his new character arc. His actions with the prisoner, tossing him in the airlock, were debatable, but they do show Archer as being more driven, as one who believes in letting his ends justify his means. The question is, how far is he willing to go to meet his objective?


By Trike on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 3:08 am:

Pair of Docs said: "IS THERE A DOCTOR IN THE HOUSE?"

Actually, it looks like there's two.

InSoc, I don't know whether to thank you for pointing out "867-5309" or slap you for getting that song stuck in my head. Thanks, anyway.


By Keith Alan Morgan on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 3:12 am:

The alien says that they knew Enterprise was not from the Expanse because they didn't have a Trellium D coating, but later the sphere is said to have a poly-duranium shell just like the alien ship. Soooooo if the aliens know Trellium D is so good, then why don't they use it?

Also the implication is that the sphere was built by the pirates, but later it's said that the sphere is hundreds or thousands of years old.

Reed knows what a stem bolt is? So why didn't O'Brien know what stem bolts were used for in an early episode of DS9? (And no, I don't think there would be a lot of difference between the uses of a regular stem bolt & a self-sealing stem bolt. One simply sounds like an improvement on the first.)

It's hypothesized that this sphere may be responsible for the anomolies, so why not shut it down and see?

Oh, no! The Expanse is giving Archer mood swings just like Captain Janeway! Next thing you know he'll start flirting with his first officer.

Okay, important though it is to get information on the Xindi, shouldn't they also be downloading the pirates' database so they can figure out how they got their engines & stuff to work in the Expanse?

Why would taking out the engine wipe out the alien computers? Shouldn't the computers be on an independent power source in case the engines get damaged? "The engines are down. Bring up the repair schematics."


By KAM on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 3:19 am:

Trike - But with the artifical sphere, it might not have a gravitational pull.
1. If has mass it will attract/be attracted to other masses.
2. T'Pol mentioned that it was putting out gravimetric waves or somekinda gravimetric technobabble.

The sphere was 19 kilometers wide. There are asteroids that are smaller & asteroids which are larger.


By Influx on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 8:46 am:

I especially liked the "new" dramatic camera angles and music that actually generated some suspense.

It didn't strike me until later -- but Archer grabbing the cup out of the air was a great (non?-) FX shot!


By Chris Booton (Cbooton) on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:12 am:

Why would taking out the engine wipe out the alien computers? Shouldn't the computers be on an independent power source in case the engines get damaged? "The engines are down. Bring up the repair schematics."

Collaterial damage. They might miss and hit a part of the hull that harms the computer core or taking out the engines could cause interal explosions that could damage the computer or cause a general protection fault.


By Darth Sarcasm on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 10:21 am:

The shuttlepod connected to the alien ship through a top-side hatch. Have we seen this before? Usually, only Enterprise docks with other ships, not shuttlepods. Why didn't Enterprise in this instance? - Trike

We saw this in Fight or Flight and Sleeping Dogs.


Soooooo if the aliens know Trellium D is so good, then why don't they use it? - Keith Allen Morgan

Didn't the foreman in last week's episode say the tellium was used for insulation? I could have fiberglass insulation in my house, but my house is still made of wood.


Also the implication is that the sphere was built by the pirates, but later it's said that the sphere is hundreds or thousands of years old. - Keith Allen Morgan

I assumed the pirates simply used the pre-existing sphere.


Reed knows what a stem bolt is? So why didn't O'Brien know what stem bolts were used for in an early episode of DS9? - Keith Allen Morgan

Perhaps in the intervening centuries, Starfleet advanced beyon the need for stem bolts, but some aliens still used them. Ask the average Joe today what a buckboard is, and he probably couldn't tell you. That doesn't mean they didn't exist or even still exist today.


By Kazeite on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:08 am:

Sparrow47: Finally, why is Yarrrrrcher keeping his collar open all the time now? Is this a recent thing or did I just not notice it before?

Like Samuel T. Cogley said, "When his hair is messed up and his uniform is zipped down a little, he’s in bad-ass mode." :)


By margie on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 11:34 am:

When Enterprise went through the cloak and discovered the sphere, my boyfriend, before we saw what was discovered, joked that they found the Death Star. I cracked up when we first saw the structure and it turned out to be a sphere!


By Nove Rockhoomer on Thursday, September 18, 2003 - 2:58 pm:

The pirates didn't expect the Enterprise to be able to track their ion trail, but once they accomplished that, it was ridiculously easy to find the sphere, get inside and take whatever they wanted. They could have taken a lot of stuff the pirates stole from others, if they had wanted it. Makes we wonder why they didn't. Archer should be willing to steal from pirates.

The captured pirate says that Archer is showing mercy by taking him back to the sphere. But he already talked earlier about how his captain would be "angry" (can't remember the exact word) if he told Archer anything. So leaving him for the captain to punish (probably severely, considering the codes he gave Archer) doesn't sound too merciful.

The TV Guide listing says the pirates were Ventaxian, but in the episode, they were Osaarian.

From the preview, next week's episode seems to resemble the Space: 1999 episode "The Full Circle." The actual episode may prove me wrong.


By KAM on Friday, September 19, 2003 - 5:23 am:

Sarrkasm, I mean Sarcasm, my middle name is Alan, not Allen.

IIRC T'Pol said that the hull of the spere & the hull of the Osaarian ship are made of a poly-duranium alloy, which implied both were built by the same manufacturer. Later dialogue indicated that sphere was hundreds to thousands of years old. Then again, was it actually said the the pirate ship was Osaarian made or just manned by Osaarians?

I must not be an average Joe then. I know what a buckboard is. ;-)

Also interesting that Archer didn't seem to try to find out how the sphere's cloaking device worked. One would think that when you're hunting down a dangerous enemy in an unfriendly region of space it might be helpful to try & find a way to cloak your ship.


By Darth Sarcasm on Friday, September 19, 2003 - 9:01 am:

Sorry, KAM.

And I just assumed the pirates used elements of the sphere to construct/salvage their ship when they were stuck in the Expanse, which is why they were made of the same materials. Or (as you suggested) maybe they took a pre-existing ship. It seems unlikely that the pirates (if they were technologically advanced enough to construct the sphere) would need to resort to piracy.


By Polls Voice on Friday, September 19, 2003 - 1:33 pm:

Don't forget the Suliban cell ship in their launch bay. Of course, Maybe Trip has refused to work with anymore cloaking technology out of fear he'd be walking around the ship with an invisible head. (Now theres an idea.)


By The Undesirable Element on Friday, September 19, 2003 - 2:48 pm:

DIALOGUE OF THE WEEK
"I don't think you'd be very comfortable torturing another man. You and your crewmates are far too civilized for that. Too moral."
"I need what was stolen from me. There's too much at stake for me to let my 'morality' get in the way." -- The Osaarian and Archer

STRESSED OUT CAPTAIN OF THE WEEK
You have to feel for Archer in this situation. As Archer said in "The Expanse", he literally has the weight of the world on his shoulders. We really get to see that here. It seemed to me that Archer kept trying to prove to himself that he could do "whatever it takes" to find the Xindi, but in the end, as the Osaarian pointed out, his mercy won out. I don't know what it was about Bakula's performance this week (it's not known for its subtle nuances) but I just kept getting the feeling that Archer does NOT want to be in this situation. He's not a revenge person by nature. But this idea of the fate of the Earth resting in Archer's hands brings up intriguing ideas that I think this episode addresses well. At what point is the fate of billions worth the price of one man's morality? This question was addressed in DS9's "In The Pale Moonlight", but it's an important question that I believe deserves another look.

TUE'S HYPOTHESIS OF THE WEEK
I'm 99% convinced, based on the Osaarian's dialogue here and the sympathetic portrayal of the Xindi prisoner in the last episode, that Archer will discover that he's going too far and that there is more to the whole situation than meets the eye. He'll realize that one can't just rush off on some crazed vendetta based solely on emotion. Sound like any recent world events?

STAR WARS REFERENCE OF THE WEEK
It's been said already but I have to mention it. The sphere looked a lot like the Death Star. But I give the creators a little leeway. There are only so many simple geometric objects.

SPACE FUNNEL OF THE WEEK
The Osaarian tells Archer that the clouds surrounding the expanse will let you in but they won't let you out. Bet that had to be kick in the groin for Archer. Though it raises a problem. In "The Expanse" Soval tells Archer that a Klingon expedition went into the expanse and WHEN THEY RETURNED their bodies were inverted. He also says that several Vulcan ships have entered but FEW (not none) have returned. Clearly it is possible. Maybe Archer should have gotten that information from Soval before he left.

CREWMEN WITH POOR JUDGE OF WEIGHT OF THE WEEK
This is very trivial but it made me laugh. When they find the sphere and start retreiving their goods, they have a quick scene showing two containers being beamed aboard and then loaded onto a cart. The thing is, the crewmen toss the containers around like they're empty (which, in reality, they probably are) and then load them onto this large (and presumably heavy) cart. Why not just carry the two containers to their appropriate destination? Is the cart really necessary?

NEEDED CLEANUP OF THE WEEK
When the coffee first floats away and creates the coffee cloud ("There's coffee in that nebula") shouldn't Archer have immediately scooped it up somehow. Leaving it there could prove problematic if is starts to spread throughout the room.

STRANGE LIQUID BEHAVIOR OF THE WEEK
Which leads me to this question: Why didn't the coffee spread around the room?

TUE


By Trike on Friday, September 19, 2003 - 11:00 pm:

Interesting hypothesis, TUE. I was thinking along the same lines when watching the first two episodes (but I forgot to include it in my posts).

I've been reading about how the third season of Enterprise would reflect the post-9/11 world. The gung-ho nature of Enterprise's new mission seemed to fit with the U.S.'s immediate reaction after 9/11 -- the occupation of Afghanistan. But now, a lot of Americans are questioning whether it has gone too far; specifically, with the war in Iraq. Because this change in public attitude is fairly recent (meaning, in relation to when these episodes were written or produced), I wonder whether the Xindi storyline will end up seeming behind the times.

We'll see ...


By Biggy on Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 6:40 pm:

Where were T'Pol's boobies this week? I was hoping it would be the new weekly thing.


By Clint X on Saturday, September 20, 2003 - 9:08 pm:

SPACE FUNNEL OF THE WEEK
The Osaarian tells Archer that the clouds surrounding the expanse will let you in but they won't let you out. Bet that had to be kick in the groin for Archer. Though it raises a problem. In "The Expanse" Soval tells Archer that a Klingon expedition went into the expanse and WHEN THEY RETURNED their bodies were inverted. He also says that several Vulcan ships have entered but FEW (not none) have returned. Clearly it is possible. Maybe Archer should have gotten that information from Soval before he left.

CLEARLY it is possible. The Xindi weapon probe made it to Earth. Either the Osaarian was lying, ignorant, or had some technological problem that prevented them from leaving.

STRANGE LIQUID BEHAVIOR OF THE WEEK
Which leads me to this question: Why didn't the coffee spread around the room?

Maybe some kind of ANOMALY made it behave the way it did?


By Brian Fitzgerald on Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 5:23 pm:

For the Klingons, exactly. The ship got out but all the people on it were dead. I wouldn't call that making it out. As for the probe, who says The Osarian knows anything about the probe. He may well think it's impossible to get out of the clouds alive.


By Clint X on Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 6:22 pm:

BF nobody said the Osarian knew anything about the Xindi probe. You correctly, if a bit redundantly, state that he may well think it's impossible to get out. I said he could be ignorant. Look it up if you don't know what it means. If you want an example of someone who got out and was still alive, I would once again refer you to the Xindi weapon probe. The evidence seems to be that the pilot was still alive when he arrived at Earth.


By Mylan on Sunday, September 21, 2003 - 9:20 pm:

I thought they said the Klingons were alive depite being inverted. Still, that's by no means a pleasant thing.


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 7:05 am:

---Critique:
---Still setup like the last episode, but more interesting, with a greater sense of urgency and ominousness, much better directing and cinematography, and a more well-defined, satisfying ending.
---What becomes clearer when watching this episode how the unfolding Xindi story is intended as a A-story arc rather than a background element. That isn’t bad, mind you, but the creators should be careful to make sure that each episode in the arc works on its own as a single episode, as well as a part of a whole. Trek has done this well in the past, with the DS9 season 3 opening arc, and that show’s series ender nine-parter, but it has also faltered with it, as with the “Dark Paris” storyline running through several of Voyager’s second-season episodes. The reason that arc didn’t work as well was because when it was building up, manifested itself as a few extraneous B-story scenes that didn’t fit in with the unrelated A-story of the episode in question, which may have confused casual viewers. With the previous episode, The Xindi, the arc is squarely in the foreground, but the reason it fell so flat was because it required us to slog through a boring story before depositing Archer and crew pretty much where they started, with no ground gained in their search for the Xindi. Here, they not only gain what will supposedly be a wealth of information on them, but they do so after the viewer is treated to a series of events that while derivative, were well-executed, and actually leads them directly to that information.
---The directing, cinematography and special FX were very good, and created a nice, creepy sci-fi ominousness, something that doesn’t usually grab my attention on this show. The scenes depicting the gravity on Enterprise going haywire were really nicely done, in particular the scene in Act 1 where Archer walks around the mug and its lost contents suspended in mid-air (and is visible through the transparent liquid as he does so), sits down, and then grabs the mug. Some of the camera shots were very nicely done too, specifically the shot of the shuttlepod flipping over to dock with the alien vessel, and upside down shot of the landing party first coming into view in the darkened corridor after boarding. The shot of the shuttlepod entering the Osaarian Sphere was also really cool, and the battle between the Enterprise and the Osaarian pirate ship was very well-executed. The shot of the crippled pirate ship sideswiping the Sphere and then careening back out into space was not only excellent, it was original, in that enemy space vehicles usually explode when colliding.
---Wow! We meet McKenzie, a modestly-chested female character who isn’t given a padded bra in a scene where she appears with a tank top! Will wonders never cease?
---Given the way the series has been avoiding killing off extras (what on the original series are referred to as “redshirts”), I was thinking that the creators were waiting for a special episode to devote to telling a story of how the crew deals with the loss of a crewmate, akin to what Deep Space Nine did with The Ship(DS9), or NextGen with Skin of Evil(TNG), and that perhaps they’d kill off a character with some screen time under their belt, like maybe Cutler. Instead, Fuller’s death was pretty meaningless in terms of theme or characterization on the part of the rest of the crew.

---Notes:
---We learn from the graphic that Reed reads in the Armory scene during the invasion sequence in Act 1 that Cargo Bay 1 is aft of Engineering, on the aft edge of the saucer section. We also see that among the retrofits the Enterprise received in The Expanse is a brig, which is used to house Orgoth, inasmuch as Archer had Firek Plinn thrown into the airlock of Docking Port 2 with a security detail posted outside in Act 2 of Precious Cargo.
---We learn that trellium D, which the previous episode established is used for insulation aboard starships is what protects the ship from spatial anomalies.
---Crewman Fuller, who was first mentioned in the last scene of Shockwave part II, has joined the ranks of Lonely Among Us(TNG)’s Lt. Commander Singh, and Faces(VOY)’s Peter Durst as the first crewman on the ship to die on his respective Trek series. (Btw, can anyone tell me who were the first Enterprise crewman and DS9 crewman to die on the original series and Deep Space Nine? Thanks.)

---Continuity Nods:
---The alloy polyduranium, of which T’Pol tells Archer in the opening scene of Act 3 the Osaarian Sphere and ships are composed, was first established in The Search part I(DS9) to be used in the bulkheads of Federation ships like the Defiant.
---When entering the M-class module inside the Osaarian Sphere, Reed notices a large quantity of stembolts. Stembolts of the self-sealing variety were first mentioned in Progress(DS9).

---Terms:
Cochrane Equation Formula necessary for warp drive that Trip tells Archer in Act 1 is no longer constant.
Orgoth The Osaarian pirate injured and captured during the invasion of the Enterprise at the end of Act 1. (Name from startrek.com only.)
Osaarians Race that Phlox identifies the captured pirate as belonging to in the opening scene of Act 2, and which he says originates from outside the Delphic Expanse. T’Pol tells Archer in Act 2 that the Osaarians have a large merchant fleet, but the High Command has had little contact with them, and there is no record of piracy on their part. She later tells him in the opening scene of Act 3 that their ship is composed of polyduranium.
Osaarian Sphere Artificial planetoid that the Enterprise encounters after passing through the cloaking field at the end of Act 2, approximately 19 kilometers in diameter, constructed entirely of the alloy polyduranium, the same alloy as the hull of the Osaarian ship. After entering the Sphere, Travis says that there’s enough energy running through it to power a dozen cities. They also find a module with a breathable atmosphere and a captured Xindi ship. T’Pol later tells Archer in his ready room in Act 3 that quantum scans indicate it is nearly a thousand years old, and possesses seven fusion reactors, each one almost 12 kilometers long, three of which are still operational. She also says it is emitting massive amounts of gravimetric energy, and may have something to do with the spatial anomalies in the region.
Aldebaran mud leeches Animals whose secretions Phlox tells Trip in Act 3 act as a natural sedative, one each he suggests Trip place on his chest and abdomen an hour before bed.

Perhaps Starfleet should recruit Postal Employees?
I could’ve made this nit for the last episode, given the scene in Act 1 where Hoshi asks the MACOs if they’ve gotten their space legs, and Romero mentioning that some of them are still visiting Phlox quite a bit, but it slipped by me, so I’ll make it here, because of something in Act 1 of this episode that reinforced it. When suiting up for the away mission to the alien vessel, Archer asks the Corporal McKenzie if she’s done time in gravity boots. She says she did a six-week tour on Jupiter Station, where the gravity went out a few times, and Kemper and Hawkins say they’ve only used them in simulations. Why are these guys inexperienced with living in space? Why aren’t they Starfleet? This seems to clearly indicate that the MACOs are part of an organization entirely separate from Starfleet, but why is this? Why doesn’t Starfleet train their own people do what these guys do? Isn’t that what Tactical and Armory personnel are for? Or are Reed and his men nothing more than a bunch of guys who like to push buttons and play with guns?
Does this mean that if I shoot the TV set, that the scripts on this show will improve?
Once again, destroying the access panel that provides use of a system seams to disable the entire system. Archer destroys the access panel of the portal on the Osaarian Sphere in the beginning of Act 3, which somehow totally removes the locking program to the portal. This is roughly equivalent to destroying a computer’s keyboard or mouse, and being allowed access to a restricted program on it, or phasering someone’s doorbell, and having the door open automatically.
In space, no one can hear you suffocate
Why does the away team wear EV suits when boarding the alien ship in Act 1, but not when entering the Osaarian Sphere in Act 3? T’Pol told Archer that the Sphere was deflecting their scans. Shouldn’t he therefore assume that there’s not a breathable atmosphere in there? Conveniently, however, they just happen to find one inside after entering it!
Tune in next week when those props appear as Phlox’s “Metallurian ironslugs”
After entering the M-class module inside the Osaarian Sphere in Act 3, Reed comes across a large amount of what he calls “stembolts.” Actually, those aren’t stembolts. They’re injector casings, which we saw in the closing scene of Act 2 of The Seventh.
The universal language of neglected regulars needing something to do
When searching the module, Travis shows Archer what he is “pretty sure” is a cargo manifest. When Archer asks him how his Osaarian is, Travis admits that it’s not very good. Archer tells him to download as much as he can and get it to Hoshi. First, if Travis doesn’t know squat about reading Osaarian, then how can he know that a grid with a bunch of yellow squares and blue boxes is a cargo manifest, let alone be “pretty sure” of it? Second, why isn’t Hoshi on the mission? Isn’t this precisely the sort of mission she’s supposed to be on? Why is Travis the one who’s doing this?
The universal language of wild guesses
After getting back to the Enterprise, Hoshi tells Archer that when the examining the “ideography” of the cargo manifest found on the captured ship found in the Osaarian Sphere, that at least three of the symbols she found match the symbols found on a piece of the Xindi probe that crashed on Earth. An ideogram is a character or symbol representing an idea or thing without representing the actual pronunciation of a particular word or words for it. If her study of it is so early in its stages that she’s only found “at least three” matching symbols so far, and doesn’t know their meaning, how does she know that they represent ideas or things without their pronunciation?
I’d hate to see what Phlox recommends for erectile dysfunction
Trip goes to see Phlox in Act 3 about his trouble sleeping, and Phlox tells him to place one Aldebaran mud on his chest and another on his abdomen, because their secretions act as a natural sedative. Why would secretions with sedative properties be placed on the chest and abdomen? Barring collecting these secretions for direct injection into the bloodstream, wouldn’t it be better to place such thing on one’s head? Now I realize that Phlox may have been saying this as a ruse to convince Trip to continue with T’Pol’s neuro-pressure, but I can’t imagine how specifying the chest and abdomen instead of the head would play into this tactic.


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 8:27 am:

InSoc: Pay attention to the display when Enterprise is looking at the gap in the ion trail. One of the numbers that pops up is "8675309". Helooooooo 80's. 867-5309, people. It's a song by Tommy Tutone from the 80's.
Luigi Novi: Are you sure this isn’t a coincidence? Are Mike Sussman or David Straiton big Tommy Tutone fans, or something?

Sparrow47: 3) Who says B&B don't know anything about character development?
Luigi Novi: You want that in alphabetical order, or itemized according to length of diatribe?

Sparrow47: …they lost their cred with the weird speeding up of the film during the "Archer tortures Orgoth" scene. I'm not sure if they actually did this, but it certainly looked like they kept messing with the film speed like it was some bad action flick. Very distracting.
Luigi Novi: I didn’t notice anything of the sort.

Sparrow47: Here, though, we got three black crewmembers…
Luigi Novi: Who? Where?

oregano: Hoshi could/should have been the one to talk to the alien they had prisoner. She could have been far more subtle and devious, tricking the alien into revealing enough information for her and the others to figure out everything they needed to know.
Luigi Novi: ?????? Huh? Hoshi’s not an interrogator. How do you figure this? Why Hoshi, and not, say, Reed, or T’Pol?

Tpooh: They found stem bolts in the sphere. Were those self-sealing stem bolts?
Luigi Novi: Reed just called them stembolts. They don’t look like self-sealing ones (there’s an illustration of sssb’s in The Encyclopedia). In fact, they look just like the spent injector casings T’Pol found on Menos’ ship at the end of Act 2 of The Seventh.

Trike: Archer later ordered T'Pol, "Have the away team speed things up." I thought away team was a term used in the 24th century, not in the 22nd.
Luigi Novi: Which scene was this? When searching the alien ship, or when searching the Osaarian Sphere?

Trike: So, was the sphere a Dyson's Sphere, like in TNG's "Relics" (or "The One with Scotty")? Probably not; Dyson's Spheres were supposed to be much larger, but it was similar in some ways; the shape, the door that responded to hails, etc.
Luigi Novi: Dyson Spheres completely surround a star, using it as an energy source. Since this one is only 19 kilometers across, it doesn’t qualify. (And of course it’s going to have a door. The same applies to any space station.)

Keith Alan Morgan: The alien says that they knew Enterprise was not from the Expanse because they didn't have a Trellium D coating, but later the sphere is said to have a poly-duranium shell just like the alien ship. Soooooo if the aliens know Trellium D is so good, then why don't they use it?
Luigi Novi: Trellium D is an insulation, not a coating. Moreover, a ship’s hull can have more than one layer to it, Keith. Page 22 of the NextGen Tech Manual shows that The Enterprise-D hull, for example, is composed of 7-9 different layers.

Keith Alan Morgan: Also the implication is that the sphere was built by the pirates, but later it's said that the sphere is hundreds or thousands of years old.
Luigi Novi: Why is this a nit? Why can’t it be nearly a thousand years old? It’s also possible the pirates acquired the sphere from someone else, perhaps other members of their race. Or perhaps they stole the ship. Or, they may have used parts from the sphere to make the ship.

Keith Alan Morgan: It's hypothesized that this sphere may be responsible for the anomolies, so why not shut it down and see?
Luigi Novi: Archer has to find the Xindi, his crew doesn’t know enough about the technology to play around with it, and other Osaarian pirate ships that use it as a base may be on the way back to it.

Keith Alan Morgan: Okay, important though it is to get information on the Xindi, shouldn't they also be downloading the pirates' database so they can figure out how they got their engines & stuff to work in the Expanse?
Luigi Novi: Didn’t they do so? And didn’t Orgoth tell Archer that the trellium D was what allowed them to do this?

Chris Booton: Collaterial damage. They might miss and hit a part of the hull that harms the computer core or taking out the engines could cause interal explosions that could damage the computer or cause a general protection fault.
Luigi Novi: Why would hitting a part of the hull or the engine harm the computer core?

Nove Rockhoomer: …it was ridiculously easy to find the sphere, get inside and take whatever they wanted.
Luigi Novi: I agree. There should’ve been code keeping others from opening that door that only Hoshi should’ve been able to crack.

Nove Rockhoomer: The captured pirate says that Archer is showing mercy by taking him back to the sphere. But he already talked earlier about how his captain would be "angry" (can't remember the exact word) if he told Archer anything. So leaving him for the captain to punish (probably severely, considering the codes he gave Archer) doesn't sound too merciful.
Luigi Novi: With the Osaarian ship disabled, and since Orgoth probably knows of other resources on the Sphere that he can use to get away and strike off on his own, I didn’t see this as a big contradiction.

TUE: When they find the sphere and start retreiving their goods, they have a quick scene showing two containers being beamed aboard and then loaded onto a cart. The thing is, the crewmen toss the containers around like they're empty (which, in reality, they probably are) and then load them onto this large (and presumably heavy) cart. Why not just carry the two containers to their appropriate destination? Is the cart really necessary?
Luigi Novi: It didn’t look like those containers were necessarily light or empty. Sure, they weren’t weazing or wobbling as they carried them, but they had a few feet to carry them from the transporter pad to the cart. It’s possible that they were only moderately heavy, but even something moderately heavy will get harder to carry the longer a distance you have to carry it, especially if it’s something big like those containers that’s difficult to get leverage on, and that doesn’t have handles to carry it by.

TUE: When the coffee first floats away and creates the coffee cloud ("There's coffee in that nebula") shouldn't Archer have immediately scooped it up somehow. Leaving it there could prove problematic if is starts to spread throughout the room.
Luigi Novi: I agree, but I figure he’s just angry and stressed over the events of the past several weeks.

TUE: Which leads me to this question: Why didn't the coffee spread around the room?
Luigi Novi: That’s the beauty of the spatial anomalies. The creators can basically have them do whatever they want.

Brian Fitzgerald: For the Klingons, exactly. The ship got out but all the people on it were dead. I wouldn't call that making it out. As for the probe, who says The Osarian knows anything about the probe. He may well think it's impossible to get out of the clouds alive.
Luigi Novi: True. But one wonders if the creators realized this when they wrote this line. Were they deliberately depicting Orgoth’s ignorance? Or did they themselves forget this? Such dialogue is usually supposed to create an effect on the viewer (“Oh, no, how will Archer and his crew get out of the Expanse?”). It might makes sense to discover if this is a mistake on their part.


By The Undesirable Element on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 8:37 am:

First people to die on TOS: I believe if you follow the series chronologically (and not in air date order) the first two to die (at least I think they died, been awhile since I've seen it) were Mitchell and Dehner from "Where No Man Has Gone Before."

In Voyager, didn't a good portion of the crew die in "Caretaker"? If that doesn't count, would Kim's "death" in "Emanations" count?

As for DS9, I'm not really sure but I think Ensign Aquino's death in "In The Hands of the Prophets" might be close.

TUE


By Benn on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 9:08 am:

First people to die on TOS: I believe if you follow the series chronologically (and not in air date order) the first two to die (at least I think they died, been awhile since I've seen it) were Mitchell and Dehner from "Where No Man Has Gone Before." - The Undesirable Element

Nope. Before he died, Gary Mitchell telekenetically murdered Lt. Lee Kelso. Strangled him with some cable on the mining planet, Delta Vega.

"Live long and prosper."


By Brian Webber on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 9:11 am:

Now I realize that Phlox may have been saying this as a ruse to convince Trip to continue with T’Pol’s neuro-pressure, but I can’t imagine how specifying the chest and abdomen instead of the head would play into this tactic.

IIRC, I think Pholx's comment that Trip should be careful not to roll over onto one of them reveals this as a ploy. :)


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 9:34 am:

I know that. I just said that. :)

In Voyager, didn't a good portion of the crew die in "Caretaker"? If that doesn't count, would Kim's "death" in "Emanations" count?
Luigi Novi: I'm talking about the permanent death of what we've come to know as "redshirts." That is, those cannon fodder extras or supporting characters that get picked off during the series' run after the series' has been launched. As such Cavitt and the Doctor from Caretaker just don't feel the same as Singh or Durst or Fuller to me.

But thanks for the input, guys.

So Benn, is Lt. Lee Kelso the first for TOS?


By Benn on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 9:40 am:

I believe so. I'd have to rewatch the ep, but I don't think Mitchell killed anyone before that. The only other candidate would be the crew of the Valiant, the first ship to travel to the galactic barrier.

"Live long and prosper."


By ScottN on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 10:00 am:

Trike: Archer later ordered T'Pol, "Have the away team speed things up." I thought away team was a term used in the 24th century, not in the 22nd.
Luigi Novi: Which scene was this? When searching the alien ship, or when searching the Osaarian Sphere?


Archer has come back from the Sphere, and they're beaming the cargo back onboard.


By Darth Sarcasm on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 10:06 am:

Crewman Fuller, who was first mentioned in the last scene of Shockwave part II - Luigi

Actually, this would have to be a different Crewman Fuller, as T'Pol refers to the one in Shockwave, Part 2 as a she.


Btw, can anyone tell me who were the first Enterprise crewman and DS9 crewman to die on the original series and Deep Space Nine? Thanks - Luigi

Televised, I guess it would be Crewman Green from The Man Trap. Production order, it might be Lieutenant Kelso from Where No man Has Gone Before.


Are you sure this isn’t a coincidence? Are Mike Sussman or David Straiton big Tommy Tutone fans, or something? - Luigi

Or someone in the f/x or art departments (depending on which one designs the graphics).


I didn’t notice anything of the sort. - Luigi

They used a variable shutter (a technique used during the opening battle scenes from Saving Private Ryan). I didn't mind it all that much, except I wonder why they chose to use it in such a static scene (you only notice the effects if something or the camera is moving quickly). They should have used it during the pirate takeover.


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 11:01 am:

Darth Sarcasm: Actually, this would have to be a different Crewman Fuller, as T'Pol refers to the one in Shockwave, Part 2 as a she.
Luigi Novi: Good catch, Darth. Thing is, when Archer mentions the deceased crewman Fuller to the imprisoned Orgoth in Act 2, Orgoth says, “I didn’t kill him,” and Archer does not correct this pronoun. Were there two crewmen named Fuller aboard the ship? If so, they could not have both been on board in that Shockwave part II since T’Pol knew which one Archer was talking about in the former, and they can’t both have been on board in this ep, because Archer neither pulls the sheet off of Fuller’s face during the sickbay scene nor asks Phlox which one it was. Either Archer is too angry to correct Orgoth (unlikely, in my opinion), or the female Fuller left the Enterprise and the male Fuller came on board in The Expanse (possible, but a contriviance), or the writer of this line remembered or looked up the name in reference, but either neglected (or there was no mention of) the crewman’s gender.

As for the variable shutter, yeah, I noticed it now in reviewing the scene. I don’t know why they chose it (and yeah, the invasion scene would’ve been a better choice), but overall, the directing of the episode was noticeably good.


By TJFleming on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 11:44 am:

Trike: How is having someone touch your back intimate?

:: Not married--right?


By Sparrow47 on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 2:27 pm:

You want that in alphabetical order, or itemized according to length of diatribe?Luigi Novi

Ooh! Ooh! Diatribe! And I hope you realized I was orignally being sarcastic, though I guess I shoul've added a :) there.

Who? Where?Luigi Novi

Unless memory fails- 1) the crewman who was knocked out from behind after the pirates first beamed aboard. 2) One of the people walking in the corridor when Archer hustled the Ossarian to the airlock. 3) One of the security people when the pirates attacked.


By Darth Sarcasm on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 3:28 pm:

If so, they could not have both been on board in that Shockwave part II since T’Pol knew which one Archer was talking about in the former, and they can’t both have been on board in this ep, because Archer neither pulls the sheet off of Fuller’s face during the sickbay scene nor asks Phlox which one it was. - Luigi

Well, if the female Fuller's quarters were very near T'Pol's, it would be logical for her to assume Archer referred to her, and not a male Fuller. Since Archer did not correct her, then she was right.

"I believe she is discrete."
"No, no... I mean Pat." :)

And perhaps Archer already knows by the time he gets to Sickbay which Fuller was critically injured, and so would have no need to lift the sheet or ask Phlox.


By Darth Sarcasm on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 3:29 pm:

Or perhaps this is the first evidence of transgenderism in the Trek universe. :)


By Nove Rockhoomer on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 4:48 pm:

About the first crewmen to die in TOS:
Nine crewmen died when the Enterprise went through the galactic barrier in "Where No Man Has Gone Before," but they (presumably) were never seen.
If Mitchell, Kelso and Dehner are not disposable enough, then the first so-called "redshirt" would be Crewman Darnell (not Green) from "The Man Trap."


By Trike on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 5:50 pm:

Luigi said: When searching the module, Travis shows Archer what he is “pretty sure” is a cargo manifest. When Archer asks him how his Osaarian is, Travis admits that it’s not very good. ... Why is Travis the one who’s doing this?

Geez, first people complain that Travis does nothing, then they complain when he does do something. Actually, I think Travis' lifetime of experience growing up on a cargo ship would qualify him to identify a cargo manifest. Of course, that's not realistic if he were totally unfamiliar with an alien language, but hey, this is Star Trek.

Oh, and Archer's line about the away team, I believe, was spoken to T'Pol in his ready room.

T.J. said: Trike: How is having someone touch your back intimate?

:: Not married--right?

My comment was based on what we saw in "The Xindi." It did not appear intimate.


By Rene on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 7:59 pm:

You're kidding, right. A topless T'Pol. Their reactions to being touched. If that wasn't intimate, I don't know what was.


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 8:39 pm:

Trike: I think Travis' lifetime of experience growing up on a cargo ship would qualify him to identify a cargo manifest. Of course, that's not realistic if he were totally unfamiliar with an alien language…
Luigi Novi: Well yeah, there you have it. The latter part of that sentence is what refutes the first. The fact he knows what the Horizon cargo manifest looks like in English has squat to do with an Osaarian manifest in Osaarian.

Moreover, why doesn’t he use his tricorder? Civilization established that the unitrans in tricorders could not translate alien consoles, but then Trip did this on the Retellian escape pod in Precious Cargo, suggesting, as did, that they were upgraded by then. If this was true, and Hoshi couldn’t be ther, why not use his tricorder?

Trike: Oh, and Archer's line about the away team, I believe, was spoken to T'Pol in his ready room.
Luigi Novi: Thanks, I found it after ScottN’s post.

Rene: You're kidding, right. A topless T'Pol. Their reactions to being touched. If that wasn't intimate, I don't know what was.
Luigi Novi: True. But her being topless in that scene seemed totally contrived to me. There’s no reason why T’Pol should be completely topless to have her back touched. If the woman were to pull back edge of the bottom of the shirt over and in front of her neck, effectively keeping her front covered (instead of covering her breasts with her hands), I wouldn’t think a guy touching her back that intimate.


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 8:47 pm:

That should've been "suggesting, as ScottN did, that they were upgraded by then."


By Trike on Monday, September 22, 2003 - 9:40 pm:

Rene said: "You're kidding, right. A topless T'Pol. Their reactions to being touched. If that wasn't intimate, I don't know what was."

Luigi explains my point well (better than I had). Further, from Phlox's perspective, he had asked T'Pol to help Trip get some sleep, so there's no reason for him to suspect, 1) T'Pol would ask Trip to reciprocate, and 2) she would take off her top when he did.


By Kazeite on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 7:05 am:

Just wait 'till you see lines attached to the Enterprise! :)

And Richard Whettestone again comes to the "rescure", pointing out another nit that seemed to go unnoticed:

Right in the beggining of the episode, when Phlox's cages are shaking, you can clearly see a fishing line attached to the lower cage used to shake it. :)


By TJFleming on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 7:19 am:

Guess I just have a lower threshold of "yow!" Fully clothed "footsie" also works.


By ScottN on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 9:31 am:

Just wait 'till you see lines attached to the Enterprise!

Been there, done that. In Tomorrow is Yesterday(TOS), during the return trip around the sun, you can see the armature holding the Enterprise model as it's shaking.


By Benn on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 11:29 am:

Getting back, briefly, to the question of who died first in the Original TREK, if you're going by production order, and if you're accepting anonymous, unseen crewmen, then the first to die were the three crewmen of Captain Pike's Enterprise who died on Rigel VII in "The Cage".

Live long and prosper.


By Rene on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 3:02 pm:

Luigi Novi: True. But her being topless in that scene seemed totally contrived to me. There’s no reason why T’Pol should be completely topless to have her back touched.

Me : Oh I agree totally. That scene was embarrassing, to say the least.


By Josh Gould (Jgould) on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 4:51 pm:

\Rene wins prize for understatement


By LUIGI NOVI on Tuesday, September 23, 2003 - 6:40 pm:

Actually, Benn, I was talking about redshirts that die onscreen. But thanks anyway. :)


By Benn on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 8:27 am:

|In his best Emily Latella voice|

Oh. That's completely different. Never mind.


By Darth Sarcasm on Wednesday, September 24, 2003 - 2:41 pm:

Actually, Benn, I was talking about redshirts that die onscreen. - Luigi

Waitwaitwait...

So does Crewman Fuller not count then, since he/she died off-screen?


By Stone Cold Steven Of None on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 12:32 pm:

Nobody - AND STONE COLD STEVEN OF NONE _MEANS_ NOBODY! - could mistake this ep's interrogation scene for Voyager's Equinox, Part 2's.
You could feel the tension there; here I felt only indifference.

"So, was the sphere a Dyson's Sphere, like in TNG's "Relics" (or "The One with Scotty")?"
Actually, it looked to _me_ like something called a Bernal (Is that how it's pronounced?) Sphere, which, I believe, is a hollow sphere, presumably spun to provide artificial gravity, and containing an atmosphere.

"Wow! We meet McKenzie, a modestly-chested female character who isn’t given a padded bra in a scene where she appears with a tank top! Will wonders never cease?"
_I_ don't think she *WAS* wearing a bra, padded or not;-).

And that's all I got to say about that.


By ClaytonRumley on Saturday, September 27, 2003 - 11:02 pm:

IIRC, at one point T'Pol talks about "microfractures". Is this the first time that this term has been used on Enterprise?


By LUIGI NOVI on Sunday, September 28, 2003 - 9:34 am:

So does Crewman Fuller not count then, since he/she died off-screen?
Luigi Novi: Well, for my purposes, he counts, because he has a name, was an insignificant character, and was seen on-screen, even if his death wasn't. :)


By oregano on Monday, September 29, 2003 - 9:40 pm:

Luigi wanted to know why I thought Hoshi should have been the one to question the alien.

Because her specialty is communication. I'd expect her to know something about psychology and how it affects communication. So she could decide how to gain the alien's trust and make him reveal information, and she could "read between the lines", choose just the right words, metaphors, synonyms, etc. to ask the right questions, make the right observations, and maybe trick the alien into answering questions and making statements, from which she could derive the right conclusions.

For example, she asks questions related to whether he gets shore leave, what kind of fuel his ship uses, etc.

She would also be an expert in vocal intonation, body language and so on. Since she's on this mission against the Xindi, she probably got some extra training in this, during the summer hiatus.

Realistically, it would take a long time for her to question the alien; they should have had Hoshi start the process at the beginning of the episode, cut back to her for a minute at a time during the episode, suggesting that she's working at this for hours at a time.

She could do this with far more subtlety than Archer did. Imagine Archer asking a terrorist, "So tell me, where's Osama?"

Whereas Hoshi would ask something like, "Where's your favorite coffeehouse?" and she would proceed from there.

Is that persuasive?


By LUIGI NOVI on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 8:23 am:

Um........I don't recall wondering this. Are you sure this wasn't someone else?


By Darth Sarcasm on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 9:21 am:

By Luigi Novi on Monday, September 22 - 9:27am:

Luigi Novi: ?????? Huh? Hoshi’s not an interrogator. How do you figure this? Why Hoshi, and not, say, Reed, or T’Pol?


And oregano, Hoshi's role would be as a translator. Translators work as facilitators to the interrogation process, but rarely interrogate themselves.


She would also be an expert in vocal intonation, body language and so on. - oregano

While true, that things like vocal intonation and body language plays a part in communication, Hoshi's area of expertise is in language. I don't think she would be capable of reading into the more subtle aspects without first having an understanding of the alien's culture.


Since she's on this mission against the Xindi, she probably got some extra training in this, during the summer hiatus. - oregano

Since she's the communications expert aboard the ship, who would have given her this training? Certainly not the MACOs, since they only met in The Xindi.


By TJFleming on Tuesday, September 30, 2003 - 11:59 am:

How about a MACO interrogator using an Archer hand puppet (thus deferring to his ultimate authority)? I see Tim Conway in the role.


By oregano on Wednesday, October 01, 2003 - 7:14 pm:

Yeah, Tim Conway would be fun.
Seriously--realistically, it would have been difficult for Archer to be interrogating the alien, since Archer doesn't know the alien's cultural background and attitudes either. So whether Hoshi or Archer is involved, it would still take a long time and a lot of effort--something spread over a number of episodes. That would be an interesting thread--they have one Xindi (or an alien who knows the Xindi) on board for several episodes, and one of the subplots of those episodes is Hoshi or another crewmember trying to question the alien.
We'd get to know Hoshi as well as the alien.

During the summer hiatus, who gives Hoshi the training? People on Earth or Vulcan who are experts at interviewing, interrogation and related skills.


By Torque, Son of Keplar on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 8:57 pm:

Maybe its been said, but would the alien that Archer decompresses (partially) get the bends having the hatch open up like that.

I just now was able to see the episode and haven't had time (didn't care to) read the board all the way yet.


By ScottN on Monday, October 13, 2003 - 9:29 pm:

Maybe its been said, but would the alien that Archer decompresses (partially) get the bends having the hatch open up like that.

Depends. His blood chemistry may differ, and may not absorb N2 the way that human blood does.


By Jon on Saturday, October 18, 2003 - 3:01 pm:

Uh, no one has mentioned this? Regarding antimatter....

Are we to believe that the little wine keg sized things with handles are the antimatter storage pods? Huh? Kind of small, no? And to just rip them out of the wall and cart them around... not smart... good way to blow up your ship/sphere. Similar note, "all the antimatter we have left is in the reactor." Huh? Every shot we see shows matter/antimatter pulsing into the reactor... I mean it is "burnt" as it is injected. How much gas does a carburetor have in the fuel bowl? Point is, there might be enough in the reactor for a second or two at warp but most is in the storage pods.

So after Yyyyarrcher trashed the alien ship why didn't he go get the full database?


By Merat on Friday, January 09, 2004 - 6:18 pm:

IIRC, the door of the sphere was made of the same alloy as the pirate ship, not the sphere itself. My read of the situation was that the pirates found the sphere and rigged up a door on it.

When the shuttle flew through the sphere, the music reminded me VERY strongly of the music from The Motion Picture when the Enterprise flew through V'ger's cloud.

Luigi: "Once again, destroying the access panel that provides use of a system seams to disable the entire system. Archer destroys the access panel of the portal on the Osaarian Sphere in the beginning of Act 3, which somehow totally removes the locking program to the portal. This is roughly equivalent to destroying a computer’s keyboard or mouse, and being allowed access to a restricted program on it, or phasering someone’s doorbell, and having the door open automatically."

This is because the creators are trying to simulate the "shoot the lock off" thing from every police movie/tv-show. I agree though it IS very silly that otherwise very intelligent people seem to have programmed a lock to open if shot.


By The Undesirable Element on Saturday, January 10, 2004 - 12:03 pm:

I find it curious that sometimes shooting the controls of an automatic door sometimes cause the door to open and other times it causes the door to be sealed shut. Makes one wonder how anyone can really be sure.

TUE


By KAM on Thursday, January 15, 2004 - 12:00 am:

Merat - IIRC, the door of the sphere was made of the same alloy as the pirate ship, not the sphere itself. My read of the situation was that the pirates found the sphere and rigged up a door on it.
Except that in the later episode Chosen Realm, Trip says that a third sphere is identical to the other two, even the smallest detail is identical.

This board is up to 117k.


By Thande on Sunday, January 18, 2004 - 9:33 am:

I think the Osaarian ship CGI was a modification of the Karemma ship from DS9, but it was pretty skilful.

More stealing race names from Star Wars! (Last seen in Voyager with 'Ord'Mirit', 'Bothans', 'Kashyk', etc.) This time it's 'Osarians', seen in Vector Prime.


By Josh M on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 2:13 pm:

Luigi Novi: As such Cavitt and the Doctor from Caretaker just don't feel the same as Singh or Durst or Fuller to me.

Didn't the chief engineer also die? And the first helm officer?


By LUIGI NOVI on Friday, May 14, 2004 - 9:55 pm:

The Chief Engineer never appeared or was named. As for Stadi, same as Cavit and the Doctor.


By Anonymous on Saturday, May 15, 2004 - 9:03 pm:

"I find it curious that sometimes shooting the controls of an automatic door sometimes cause the door to open and other times it causes the door to be sealed shut. Makes one wonder how anyone can really be sure. "

Don't forget, this is Star Trek, so the doors read the script!


By Josh M on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 4:18 pm:

A good ep, IMO, better than the premiere. Archer's really starting to walk down the dark path.

I was a little disappointed that they got their supplies back so easily. That happened kind of suddenly. Still, a very nice hour.


By Josh M on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 6:41 pm:

KAM: It's hypothesized that this sphere may be responsible for the anomolies, so why not shut it down and see?
Do they even know how to shut it down?

Luigi Novi: Crewman Fuller, who was first mentioned in the last scene of Shockwave part II, has joined the ranks of Lonely Among Us(TNG)’s Lt. Commander Singh, and Faces(VOY)’s Peter Durst as the first crewman on the ship to die on his respective Trek series
What about that bridge officer that Q freezes in Encounter at Farpoint? I don't remember Q ever thawing him.

Luigi Novi: Once again, destroying the access panel that provides use of a system seams to disable the entire system. Archer destroys the access panel of the portal on the Osaarian Sphere in the beginning of Act 3, which somehow totally removes the locking program to the portal. This is roughly equivalent to destroying a computer’s keyboard or mouse, and being allowed access to a restricted program on it, or phasering someone’s doorbell, and having the door open automatically.
The doorbell? Wouldn't it be more like shooting someone's knob?

Luigi Novi: When searching the module, Travis shows Archer what he is “pretty sure” is a cargo manifest. When Archer asks him how his Osaarian is, Travis admits that it’s not very good. Archer tells him to download as much as he can and get it to Hoshi. First, if Travis doesn’t know squat about reading Osaarian, then how can he know that a grid with a bunch of yellow squares and blue boxes is a cargo manifest, let alone be “pretty sure” of it? Second, why isn’t Hoshi on the mission? Isn’t this precisely the sort of mission she’s supposed to be on? Why is Travis the one who’s doing this?
You're complaining about Travis dialogue? :)


By LUIGI NOVI on Saturday, October 30, 2004 - 10:09 pm:

JoshM: What about that bridge officer that Q freezes in Encounter at Farpoint?
Luigi Novi: I don't think he died.


By KAM on Sunday, October 31, 2004 - 1:19 am:

IIRC in the trial scene when Q freezes Tasha it's commented that they had gotten Torres to Sickbay & thawed him out alive.