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Production Credits
Written by: Rick Berman & Brannon Braga
Directed by: Mike Vejar

Guest Cast
Matt Winston: Daniels
Leland Orser: Loomis
Michael Childers: Strode
Jeffrey Dean Morgan: Xindi-Reptilian#1
Erin Cummings: Prostitute#1
Donna DuPlantier: Prostitute#2
Billy Mayo: Cop #1
Dan Warner: Cop #2
By MarkN on Wednesday, November 26, 2003 - 9:11 pm:

Why don't Vermin and Blahgga just retitle this series as "Star Trek: Time Travels", since that's about all they do these days, is have time travel plots again...and again...and again...and again....?

At least Irwin Allen had one of his series correctly titled: The Time Tunnel. All they did in that series was time travel since that was its basic premise, so I think V&B might as well just do the same thing.

They've also kept up with one Hollywood tradition: attractive prostitutes.


By Keith Alan Morgan on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 1:48 am:

Archer says that Daniels was from the 30th century. I thought he was from the 31st century?

Daniels says that it takes time for the changes to ripple through the time stream. You mean like the events in Shockwave?

So why did the guy in the wheelchair leave his apartment with the TV on?

When the guy thought Archer & T'Pol were cops, I was thinking they should just claim to be with Homeland Security and are above the law.


By Anonymous on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 3:01 am:

daniels told archer that it takes time for changes to ripple though time, since when is that since in every time traviling epsoide or movie the change is instantious? maybe daniels dident want to reveal the answers because it would effect the time line but it would seem a bit late for that more over i found the reason he sent archer to clean things up i.e too much paper work, to be a bit unbeliveable.
you know it would be great if daniels turned out to be an antagonistic force in this cold war, perhaps he was the one that told the zindi earth would destory them.
for that matter maybe its daniels who is keeping the romulans form becoming a threat, the vulcans snobby and emotional and the andorians from becomming more trusting in the vulcans (enough to be able to fight a war with them against the romulans)


By The Man from Space on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 6:37 am:

Somebody's got a lot of splaining to do. The Xindi are time travelers? Their "attack" on humanity is carried out by three lizards and a blood bank guy? T'Pol now believes in time travel? Daniels didn't have time (as T'Pol said, wouldn't he have all the time he needed)? If you could take one person with you to 2004 Detroit, it would be someone with green blood and pointed ears? Either this story makes no sense, or there is much we don't know that is yet to be revealed.


By Lee Jamilkowski (Ljamilkowski) on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 8:30 am:

It wouldn't surprise me if Daniels's superiors were wary of him contacting Archer given how screwed up things happened the last time Daniels dealt with the NX-01 crew.


By TPooh on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 4:10 pm:

Man from Space, I agree it didn't make sense to choose T'Pol as the one to take. What was in the needle the Xindi was sticking in Archer's neck? If it was a sedative, it didn't seem to affect him. Archer's problem driving the truck was like Kirk's problem with the car in A Piece of the Action.


By Bab on Thursday, November 27, 2003 - 8:06 pm:

I havent seen this one yet, but here is my comment on time travel. Remember Superman 1? At the end when Lois Lane dies, Superman flew into orbit and went against the earth's rotation. By doing this, he reversed time and then saved Lois Lane.

Now, if this is possible, why not do it to solve any problem? Like those villians in Superman 2? He could go back in time and try to prevent their arrival.

Also like in Star Trek IV. If you can slingshot around the sun at will, you can presumedly go back and prepare yourself for whatever conflict.

Because of this I find time travel stories are weak and boring.

But I will have an open mind when this one comes on the tube.


By KAM on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 1:16 am:

TPooh, the Xindi was taking blood out of Archer not putting anything in. He thought Archer had already been given a sedative.


By Harvey Kitzman on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 8:58 am:

What does it matter about all this time travelling? According to what Daniels said about no recorded conflict between humans and Xindi, The Powers That Be are going to hit the Big Rewind Button when this whole thing gets resolved anyway. The Big Rewind Button is almost as annoying as the malfunctioning holodeck plot.

Will somebody please put this show out of its misery soon? Give Trek a rest for a few years and come out with either a more advanced version than Next Gen or a Captain Sulu and the Excelsior show.

That should generate some responses.....


By Obi-Juan on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 10:18 am:

I bet Scott Backula really hates time travel episodes...

Porthos is a lame guard dog, he doesn't bark when Daniels shows up in the galley.

Does Dr Beckett really need to wake T-Pol up in the middle of the night to tell her about Daniels' visit? They have to be in the Command Center at 8:00, so why not brief her at 6:00? That should be plenty of time to scrounge up some period clothes.

Why send only 2 people to stop the Xindi? How about all the MACOs, Reed's security squad, and a medical team specializing in biohazards? So Daniels said only 2 may go, but why not ask for a whole lot more?

Did the security at the Xindi lab seem... woefully inadequate, to the point of being nonexistent? No alarm sensors, no force fields, no cloaking devices? Odd, considering that, from their perspective, they're trying to save their people from an attack by humans.

Dr Beckett worried about getting cash to buy gas. Why not pull over and steal another car?

A Trek first, T'Pol uses the Vulcan neck pinch while facing Loomis. To the best of my recollection, Vulcans always stood behind their victims to do this.

How did Loomis know that the Xindi had a schedule for taking blood and injecting sedatives into their victims? They seemed pretty eager for Loomis to get out when he dropped off the prostitute.

Loomis seemed worried that the police would discover the missing persons' connections to the blood bank and that he would be arrested, so why have blood bank files in his apartment? Why not just check the files in the blood bank, and write down their blood types and addresses?

T'Pol told Dr Beckett to scan for a time-travel device on the Xindi. How does T'Pol know how to scan for temporal signatures, if the Vulcan Science Directorate has concluded that time travel is impossible?

Dr Beckett showed off his sharpshooting skills, using 2 shots to hit the little time travel device the Xindi had attached to his belt. Maybe it would have been better for him to kill the Xindi holding the device, and destroy the device later.

Why did the Xindi drop the virus cannister to take cover when Dr Beckett and T'Pol started firing at him? Again, from the Xindi point of view, he is doing something to save his race from a future attack. Opening the cannister should be a priority, not returning phaser fire.

And the obvious nit- where was Al in this episode? Somehow Sam managed to leap out without Al or Ziggy's help!


By Benn on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 10:36 am:

A Trek first, T'Pol uses the Vulcan neck pinch while facing Loomis. To the best of my recollection, Vulcans always stood behind their victims to do this. - Obi Juan

Nope. Spock applied a neck pinch from the front in the TOS ep, "A Taste of Armageddon" and the fourth STAR TREK movie (the punk rocker on the bus).

Live long and prosper.


By Brossa on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 10:39 am:

Just a thought, but perhaps Daniels was lying to Archer because Daniels already knew how things were going to turn out - that the Xindi would not succeed in releasing a virus. Thus no huge changes to the timeline. This could actually make sense in a cold-war kind of way, with one side constantly testing the vigilance and abilities of the other side without an escalation into a full-blown conflict. So Future Shower Guy (or whoever) sends some Xindi pawns into 2004 Earth, which is easily detected by Daniels or TPTB in his time. They send a pawn of their own (Archer) who is able to counter the first pawn. No major damage to the timeline occurs. Ideally during a cold war this scenario would be played out many, many times all throughout the timeline, limited only by the temporal technologies of the two cold-warring parties. Like conducting atomic bomb tests to remind the other guy that you are a credible threat, or assassinating each other's spies (but not their leaders, since that would evoke a bigger response). This would be routine to Daniels; perhaps he has a stable full of pawns in different eras, and Archer is only one of them. Of course, Daniels isn't going to tell Archer that he's just Stooge #32; no, he's going to tell him that he has a Pivotal Role In The Universe. Daniels really only has to tell Archer whatever is necessary to get him to go on a mission - he can lie about the science of time travel, about who/what the real threat is, etc. It doesn't even need to be internally consistent as long as Archer goes along with it.
Daniels probably cares about Archer as much as a CIA agent cares about some Angolan defense ministry official circa 1973: as a means to an end, but not particularly valuable as an individual. It probably amuses him to see how easy it is to manipulate Archer into doing what he wants: "Yeah, you have to go back to try and stop these other guys. No, I can't give you specific information or even put you in Detroit earlier than two months after they arrive, even though I can return you to the exact second that you left. Why? Well, the timestream backward quantum anomaly. And space. So, ready to leave?"

An interesting question: how could two powers with equal time-and-space travel powers really go to war? In theory, any attack made by one side could be retroactively pre-empted by the other side (there's a fun concept). In this scenario, the only events that are allowed to remain unaltered are those that have no tactical/strategic significance.


By Kazeite on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 12:01 pm:

I can't believe how they could screw this up!

If this was Detroit in near future...

Then where's Robocop?! :)

And those cops were using wrong cars and uniforms! Everyone knows that Detroit cops wear riot gear and use Ford Taurus! :)


By Mr. Hemoglobin on Friday, November 28, 2003 - 12:39 pm:

Loomis said he worked for a "blood bank." Are there still paying blood banks? Yeah, I know about paid plasma donations, but I'm under the impression that those business are separate from blood banks proper.


By Sparrow47 on Saturday, November 29, 2003 - 8:04 am:

Brossa, I didn't know you were a TWoP-ite! Guess I should've put two and two together there...


By roger on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 7:43 pm:

I read that the producers couldn't find any good photos of Detroit landmarks at night, to use in this episode. So this episode could be set in just any old generic city. But they could have just taken a daytime photo and altered it digitally.
Loomis looked a lot like Dustin Hoffman.
Carpenter Street is an actual street in Detroit. But I'd never heard of it before this.
The producers could have attracted more attention to this episode by using a different street, like
Eight Mile, the title of the autobiographical film by Eminem the rapper. Nine Mile is another real street The producers could have attracted more attention to the episode by using a title like Eight Mile; Detroit also has Nine Mile, Ten Mile, Eleven Mile, etc.
Porthos didn't bark because Daniels had some cheese with him? Maybe Daniels had been visiting several times before, without alerting Archer, so Porthos would get to know Daniels.
It didn't seem all that plausible, Archer goes from knowing nothing about driving, to driving very well.
When T'Pol asked about animal by-products, that phrase should have tipped off the burger girl that T'Pol's a vegetarian. She shouldn't have bothered offering the bacon bits.


By ScottN on Sunday, November 30, 2003 - 11:16 pm:

Roger, it was supposed to be a joke... the drive through girl is working from a script (I misspent one summer more years ago than I care to remember working at Carl's Jr.).


By Christopher Q on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 5:55 am:

So Xindi from 22nd Century have better time-travel tech than future guy. They were able to send themselves & supplies back and forth.
Future guy can only send his image back (& the device that projects his image).
As I recall, the Xindi also had tech from the future that was built into the test weapon. This hasn't been explained yet.

By the way, humans (& vulcans) didn't know time-travel was possible until Kirk accidently did it.
I believe it was one of the Hitchhiker Guide books that stated once a society invents time-travel the knowledge goes into the past & the society knew about time-travel throughout its history.


By ClaytonRumley on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 10:23 am:

I found Archer's use of his device to unlock and start cars very similar to the movie "Millenium", where the time traveller used a similar hand-held device to unlock and start a car.

As for that device, when Archer and T'Pol pull into the parking lot after detecting the Xindi lifesigns Archer shuts off the truck using a motion that looks like he turned the keys off. But he used his device to virtually hotwire the car, so he should've used his device to turn it off. Come to think of it, how did that device unlock the steering column?

I suppose Archer forgot to ask T'Pol how she incapacitated Loomis?


By Darth Sarcasm on Monday, December 01, 2003 - 6:01 pm:

OK... someone on the staff is most definitely a John Carpenter fan...

Aside from MacReady and Bennings (both characters in The Thing) in North Star, this episode gives us Loomis and Strode... two characters from Halloween. Plus, the show is entitled Carpenter Street.


By Captain Bryce on Tuesday, December 02, 2003 - 10:48 am:

I suppose Archer forgot to ask T'Pol how she incapacitated Loomis?

By a similar token, I wonder how the CSI in 2004 will interpret the phase pistol blast that T'Pol left in Loomis' car, when proving that her "ray gun" was real?


By TJFleming on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 7:21 am:

Obi-Juan: Dr Beckett worried about getting cash to buy gas. Why not pull over and steal another car?
:: Good idea. Or, just “pay” at the pump (where your picture doesn’t get taken, you don’t have to talk to the attendant, and nobody’s lurking in the shadows to steal the fuel you’ve just “withdrawn”).


By Influx on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 8:07 am:

This Loomis character can't have too bright a bulb. His pickup says she knows a nice private spot, yet he pulls over immediately on a busy street and proceeds to apply the chloroform, with cars driving by.

I actually thought Loomis looked a bit like Archer.

I'm trying to understand what Daniels meant when he said the Xindi had been in the past for two months already. This makes no sense at all.


By Stone Cold Steven Of None on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 8:46 am:

TOS's Tomorrow Is Yesterday.
DS9's Past Tense.
Voyager's Future's End.
The Voyage Home.
First Contact.
And Enterprise's Carpenter Street.
What doesn't belong in this list of great time travel to 20th/21st century Earth eps/films ?
If you said Cr@penter Street, gimme a hell yeah!
The only thing that saved this ep from being a total waste of time was Leland Orser's (surprisingly) restrained performance; I can't think of the last time anybody p!$$3d off a Vulcan outside of a Pon Farr Trek ep.
The buzz I got from Twilight is wearing off at warp speed.
And that's the bottom line...if you smell what Stone Cold Steven Of None...is cooking.


By Will on Wednesday, December 03, 2003 - 10:25 am:

I was already to tell Obi-Juan that I didn't think he had any basis for referring to Archer as Dr.Beckett, because I don't feel that Scott Bakula plays them the same way, nor do they have the same characteristics, but then he came up with the brilliant comment, asking how T'Pol could scan for temporal signatures when Vulcans don't believe in time travel.
And speaking ofwhich, I believe this is the solereason why Archer brought T'Pol with him; bring her along and no amount of logic can refute that she did, indeed, travel 150 years into the past and back, therefore time travel exists. Not to mention she'd be less hot-headed than Trip, and focus totally on their task.
In the real world, it was because the writers wanted an alien character in the show for humor.
I guess my standards are a little lower than some previous posters; I liked this episode. Oh, well. Can't please all the people all the time.
At least Trek characters are finally visiting the 21st century, instead of the 20th century for the 20th time.


By KAM on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 2:38 am:

TOS's Tomorrow Is Yesterday.
DS9's Past Tense.
Voyager's Future's End.
The Voyage Home.
First Contact.
And Enterprise's Carpenter Street.
What doesn't belong in this list of great time travel to 20th/21st century Earth eps/films ?

Carpenter Street & Future's End, definitely.

At least Trek characters are finally visiting the 21st century
Didn't Sisko, Bashir & Dax wind up in the 21st century in Past Tense?


By Influx on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 8:01 am:

At least Trek characters are finally visiting the 21st century, instead of the 20th century for the 20th time.

Don't they always travel back to close the exact year the episode was actually made? I don't recall the DS9 year, but I know it was true for

TOS's Tomorrow Is Yesterday - late 60's.
Voyager's Future's End 1996?.
The Voyage Home.
Enterprise's Carpenter Street -- 2004.


By Dan Gunther on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 10:29 am:

Influx, not always. Bashir, Sisko, and Jadzia Dax travelled back in time to August 30, 2024 in "Past Tense" (Parts one and two). In the same episode, Kira and O'Brien travelled back to the 1930s, the 1960s, and 2024 on-screen, and a couple of other time periods not shown.

Also, TOS's "The City on the Edge of Forever," Kirk, Spock and McCoy all travelled back to the 1930s.


By Influx on Thursday, December 04, 2003 - 11:07 am:

OK, I meant "always" or "almost always" during the course of a series.


By Darth Sarcasm on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 10:55 am:

I think this is a case of misperception. According to my list below of Trek episodes/films featuring time travel to some part of Earth's past, only five episodes take place in the "present" of the show's taping.

Tomorrow is Yesterday *
The City on the Edge of Forever
Assignment: Earth *
Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home *
Time's Arrow
All Good Things...
Star Trek: First Contact
Past Tense
Little Green Men
Future's End *
Carpenter Street *


By LUIGI NOVI on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 5:33 pm:

Other examples that do not involve the "present" are The Naked Time(TOS), Visionary(DS9), Wrongs Darker Than Death or Night(DS9), Time and Again(VOY), Relativity(VOY), Shattered(VOY), and Shockwave part I-II(ENT).

Also, I would question whether Q's transport of Picard to ancient Earth in All Good Things...(TNG) was real or some type of vision/hallucination/dream, but if it wasn't, then you'd have to include Tapestry(TNG) as well.


By Darth Sarcasm on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 6:12 pm:

Well, I was limiting it to shows that went to Earth's past, not the past in general.


By LUIGI NOVI on Friday, December 05, 2003 - 7:17 pm:

---Critique:
---Anti-climactic and boring.
As is becoming a habit, this episode appears to serve to set up developments in the Xindi storyline, but on its own, it was just bereft of anything original or interesting, and featured more tortured logic concerning time travel.

---Notes:
---Under nits for The Expanse, I was incredulous that Archer would simply take Future Guy’s word that the Xindi were the responsible for the attack on Earth, and go after the Xindi and Future Guy’s say so, when, given the enmity between the Cabal and Archer, Archer could just have assumed that Future Guy and the Cabal themselves were responsible for it. Fortunately, Archer finally gets a chance to ask Daniels if he should believe Future Guy, and Daniels tells him there’s no reason he shouldn’t.
---We learn from Archer in Act 2 that humans knew their supply of fossil fuels were nearing depletion since the 1970’s, and that some important event in the development of that progress occurred in 2061.
---Archer reveals in the opening scene of Act 3 that he has B-negative blood.

---Terms:
Loomis The human in 2004 Detroit, Michigan, who kidnaps and delivers people to the Xindi, and who identifies himself by name in the beginning of Act 1.
Georgia Tandy The prostitute with O-negative blood whom Loomis mentions by name when he kidnaps her in the beginning of Act 1.
William Meyers A man on whom Loomis studying information in Act 2 as a potential target. He lives on the second floor of his building.
Porter Street Location of the blood bank where Loomis tells Archer and T’Pol in the opening scene of Act 3.
methohexadol Drug which T’Pol points out was in Loomis’ possession when she and Archer interrogate him in the opening scene of Act 3. (Spelling approximate.)
Carpenter Street Location of the abandoned factory where the kidnapees are being held, as mentioned by Archer in the opening scene of Act 3.
bioreactor A machine that Archer tells T’Pol in Act 3 the Reptilians brought with them to 2004, for the purpose of synthesizing a viral agent.

Start off on Confusing Time Travel Premise Street…
Daniels’ description of how the Xindi’s presence in 2004 Detroit is just plain absurd. First why does he tell Archer in Act 1 that the temporal incursions caused by the Xindi’s presence in 2004 haven’t reached the 30th century “yet,” and that it takes “a while” for changes in the timeline to ripple through the timeline? Archer later relates to T’Pol in the next scene that the Xindi have “been there for two months.” From his point of view, isn’t this time reference inapplicable? And when T’Pol asks Archer why Daniels doesn’t just go to 2004 himself, Archer says that it took Daniels “a long while” getting permission and to contact Archer, and that it would take “too much time” to go himself. This is even dumber. If Daniels is an expert in time travel, then instead of even bothering to get clearance to contact Archer, why not just get clearance to go to 2004 himself? Wouldn’t that take less “time,” since Daniels, being a field agent, is more of a known quantity to his superiors, and does this sort of thing for a living, and since they already have their own intelligence on the Xindi there? What can Archer and T’Pol do that Daniels and his people can’t? The entire premise is contrived.
---Jamahl Epsicokhan, in his review of the episode at http://www.st-hypertext.com/ent-3/carpenter.html, wondered why Daniels sent Archer and T’Pol back in time to the point where the Xindi had already been on Earth for two months, rather than send them back earlier, say before the Xindi even arrived there, to make it easier for Archer and T’Pol to stop them from whatever they were doing. Jamahl also wondered why the Xindi even picked 2004 to hide in, since it would be easier to hide in an earlier, less technologically developed era.
Continue on Dogs Have Great Unions Boulevard…
Why does Archer bring Porthos along when he goes to T’Pol’s quarters to tell her about Daniels? Does Porthos have a required number of scenes per season written into his contract?
Watch out for Speed Trap Point…
When Archer and T’Pol travel back to 2004 Detroit in the closing shot of Act 1, T’Pol mentions that they traveled 90 lights years, indicating roughly how far the Delphic Expanse is from Earth, at least the Enterprise’s position in it. Archer told Soval in Act 2 of The Expanse that it takes three months to get there from Earth. But Broken Bow established that it takes 4.53 days to travel one light year. To travel 90 light years, therefore, would take 407.7 days, or 13 and a half months, not three. And since the Enterprise was at least a few months deep into the Expanse, it should’ve taken more.
Make sure to avoid the Sudden Turnaround Traffic Circle…
So does T’Pol now believe in time travel? When she and Archer show up in 2004 at the end of Act 1, she still says she’s not entirely convinced, but when interrogating Loomis in his apartment in Act 3, she remarks that in Loomis they’ve managed to find the worst qualities “of this era,” and when Loomis tells them what he was paid, T’Pol asks Archer if that is what human life is worth “in the 21st century.”
Go all the way around Continuity Curve…
When T’Pol asks Archer in Act 2 if humans knew their supply of fossil fuels were nearing depletion, Archer says that they did since the 1970’s, and that some important event in the development of that progress occurred in 2061. Now granted, we don’t know what that event was, since he was cut off by T’Pol’s sensor picking up Loomis, but even so, what important event could it have been, given that 2061 was eight years after World War III, and two years before First Contact with the Vulcans, when most major governments were destroyed, and Earth was in chaos, as established in ST First Contact?
Merge onto Interstate I-M a Nitwit…
Speaking of which, this Loomis guy is really a bit dim. He assumes Archer and T’Pol are cops, even though they don’t have uniforms, badges, radios or normal-looking guns, even though they don’t arrest him and take him to the police station, and even after T’Pol makes these two remarks, which he conveniently seems not to hear, even though she’s standing right over him when she says them.
Continue onto Yes, and Curiously, Archer Exhibited Bad Acting, and T’Pol Took Her Top Off Avenue…
Archer and T’Pol steal money from an ATM in the beginning of Act 2. Don’t ATM’s have cameras? Weren’t Archer and T’Pol caught on tape?
Make a left onto Utopian Society Way…
When Archer steals money from the ATM, he tells T’Pol people “used to go to jail for this.” What, there are no ATM’s in the 22nd century? No theft? No one ever tries to steal credits or anything?
Drive three miles until you hit That Drive-Thru Kid Could Write a Better Episode Road…
When pulling up to the fast food drive-thru with Loomis in Act 3, T’Pol asks the window attendant if their fiesta salad contains animal products. The attendant says no, but that they can add three strips of bacon for 75 cents. T’Pol responds by declining to have anything. First of all, bacon that accompanies salad doesn’t generally come in the form of strips, but chips. Second, why does T’Pol then decide to have nothing? Why doesn’t she just decline the bacon?
Go past Universal Technology Path…
When surveying the abandoned factory near the end of Act 3, Archer radios T’Pol that the Reptilians brought a bioreactor with them. It certainly is convenient that a Xindi Reptilian bioreactor looks enough like a Terran one that Archer could recognize it for what it is.
Stop at the bottom of This is How Rube Goldberg Would Do It Hill, and you’re there!
Jamahl Epsicokhan wondered why the Xindi needed to run tests on all people of all eight blood types to create a virus capable of killing all of us, arguing that bio-weapon toxins shouldn’t have to be coded to your blood type to be lethal, and that Xindi have enough information on us after Rajiin to know how to kill everybody with a single toxin or virus, especially when such substances can already be found anywhere.


By Dan Gunther on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 5:27 pm:

Luigi Novi: why does T’Pol then decide to have nothing? Why doesn’t she just decline the bacon?

Dan Gunther: I believe, judging by T'Pol's reactions, we the viewers were to assume that she was so turned off by the idea of "three strips of bacon" on the salad that she lost her appetite.


By book collar on Friday, December 12, 2003 - 10:11 am:

This is a lame nit, I know, but the "Detroit"
skyline was clearly downtown Los Angeles. :>


By LUIGI NOVI on Wednesday, March 03, 2004 - 9:44 pm:

Why hasn’t Daniels appeared before this episode? Why didn’t he appear to Archer in The Expanse?


By Thande on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 3:37 am:

I could accept the "it takes time for things to travel through...uh...time" things (not rational, but it has featured in several other time-travel scenarios not in Trek) except for the fact that, as someone mentioned above, in "Shockwave" and "Past Tense (DS9)" the changes occurred instantly.

Archer refers to the Xindi bioweapon as both a virus and a toxin. The first makes sense - a virus could replicate and infect the whole Earth population. A toxin does not - it would just poison a few million people and would not replicate to kill the rest. Just an example of Chronic Terminology Sloppiness, I suppose.

Not a particularly good episode, more the Obligatory Time Travel To The Year In Which The Episode Is Made, of which I believe each Trek series except DS9 and TNG has one. That blood bank guy is possibly the most irritating character they have ever had on Trek, up there with Neelix and Wesley Crusher. On the other, hand, I guess he was supposed to be irritating...

Maybe Archer meant the fossil fuel supplies finally ran out in 2061, which would also contribute to the postatomic horror.

Archer's inability to drive a car is classically Trek but also strange, given that Trip mentioned having a car in some previous episode. Maybe radically different controls?

I can accept the scanner being able to duplicate the signal to open the car doors, but how did it operate the ATM? That's a card scan, not a beam of any kind. Maybe it directly triggered the 'yes' circuit within?

And finally, though T'Pol's "Ray gun" impressed the irritating guy, did it actually do any damage to the car door? Yes, it was a pretty light show, but how does the irritating guy know it's actually deadly/stunning?


By LUIGI NOVI on Friday, March 19, 2004 - 11:44 am:

Trip mentioned his car in Act 3 of Precious Cargo. Good nit, Thande. :)


By Jesse on Wednesday, March 24, 2004 - 11:31 pm:

I didn't catch the skyline in question, but in the end, as the cops are hauling Loomis away, the camera pans back to reveal...mountains in the background! Now, I live outside of Detroit and I can tell you that there are no mountains anywhere to be found, at least not shown the way they were in this episode. I understand that location filming is more costly, particularly in a city like Detroit where there is little, if any, film industry (necessitating crew and equipment being brought on site instead of local crew being used), but if you're going to do something so blatant as SHOW THE CITY, at least take the time to show the right one.


By Anonymous on Friday, May 07, 2004 - 12:40 am:

"The producers could have attracted more attention to this episode by using a different street, like
Eight Mile, the title of the autobiographical film by Eminem the rapper. Nine Mile is another real street The producers could have attracted more attention to the episode by using a title like Eight Mile; Detroit also has Nine Mile, Ten Mile, Eleven Mile, etc. "

Not quite right. Detroit ends at 8 Mile. So 8 Mile, 7 Mile, 6 Mile, yeah, Detroit has those. 9 Mile, 10 Mile, 18 Mile, 24 Mile, up to somewhere in the 30's, those are outside of Detroit.


By Josh M on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 6:06 pm:

Well, it was okay. Not great, and time travel is getting kind of old. I was kind of worried when the show started on Earth. After North Star and now this, I was wondering how much of the show would actually take place on the Enterprise anymore.

I did like Archer's trouble with finding a car to steal then his inability to drive it.

And I couldn't help but yell "it's the isomorph" when Loomis shows up.

I wonder why, of all the people Archer could choose to take to Earth's past, he takes one of the only two aliens on the ship.

So, we find out that the Expanse is less than 90 ly from Earth. But I guess the fact that they got to it in seven weeks already confirmed that.

Archer and T'Pol steal a Dodge Ram. The same type of vehicle that Paris and Tuvok steal in Future's End. Nice touch.

Did I hear the guy in the wheelchair say Conan exists in the Trek universe?

At the end, when the last Xindi is planning to just release the virus on the 21st century Earth, he decides to fight Archer and T'Pol before doing so. Why not just release it first?

And did he really not hear Archer knock those pipes down when Archer leaps buildings in a single bound?


By Josh M on Monday, November 01, 2004 - 6:07 pm:

KAM: So why did the guy in the wheelchair leave his apartment with the TV on?
Not that big of a deal. My roommate does it all the time.

Man from Space: Somebody's got a lot of splaining to do. The Xindi are time travelers? Their "attack" on humanity is carried out by three lizards and a blood bank guy?
I think that T'Pol said they were doing this secretly. I assume they're hiding it from the other Xindi, since the council didn't approve the bioweapon.

T'Pol now believes in time travel?
She did get sent back to 2004.

Obi-Juan: Why send only 2 people to stop the Xindi? How about all the MACOs, Reed's security squad, and a medical team specializing in biohazards? So Daniels said only 2 may go, but why not ask for a whole lot more?
Daniels may only have had the ability to send two.

Obi-Juan: Dr Beckett worried about getting cash to buy gas. Why not pull over and steal another car ?
After all the trouble he had getting the first one?

Sparrow47: Brossa, I didn't know you were a TWoP-ite! Guess I should've put two and two together there...
Is that what we're called? TWOP-ite? I always thought it was TWOPer.

ChristopherQ: By the way, humans (& vulcans) didn't know time-travel was possible until Kirk accidently did it.
I thought that they didn't know about the slingshot effect until Kirk accidentally did it. They still could've known that time travel is possible.

Influx: I'm trying to understand what Daniels meant when he said the Xindi had been in the past for two months already. This makes no sense at all.
It took me a few minutes but I figured he meant they'd left the 22nd century two months before.

Luigi Novi: When Archer and T’Pol travel back to 2004 Detroit in the closing shot of Act 1, T’Pol mentions that they traveled 90 lights years, indicating roughly how far the Delphic Expanse is from Earth, at least the Enterprise’s position in it. Archer told Soval in Act 2 of The Expanse that it takes three months to get there from Earth. But Broken Bow established that it takes 4.53 days to travel one light year. To travel 90 light years, therefore, would take 407.7 days, or 13 and a half months, not three. And since the Enterprise was at least a few months deep into the Expanse, it should’ve taken more.
Archer did say in The Expanse that they'd traveled for seven weeks at Warp 5 to reach the Expanse. Though the previous episode seems to contradict that log entry. And even if they could sustain Warp 5 for an extended period, I doubt they could get 90 ly in seven weeks (like Archer said in his log) or three months (as Future Guy indicated it would take).

Luigi Novi: When T’Pol asks Archer in Act 2 if humans knew their supply of fossil fuels were nearing depletion, Archer says that they did since the 1970’s, and that some important event in the development of that progress occurred in 2061. Now granted, we don’t know what that event was, since he was cut off by T’Pol’s sensor picking up Loomis, but even so, what important event could it have been, given that 2061 was eight years after World War III, and two years before First Contact with the Vulcans, when most major governments were destroyed, and Earth was in chaos, as established in ST First Contact?
If we managed to invent warp drive at about that time, I don't think it's too much of a stretch to think someone could've discovered/created a new source of energy.

Thande: And finally, though T'Pol's "Ray gun" impressed the irritating guy, did it actually do any damage to the car door? Yes, it was a pretty light show, but how does the irritating guy know it's actually deadly/stunning?
I think it left a burn mark on the door. Or maybe the guy watches Star Trek. ;)


By wally on Sunday, December 19, 2004 - 1:19 pm:

MarkN
They've also kept up with one Hollywood tradition: attractive prostitutes.

Um, I always assumed prostitutes were at least decent looking. Naturally the better-looking ones would get higher pay, but if they can't make much money hooking, it can't be that hard getting a job at a fast-food restuarant instead, can it?
Or can it? I dunno.

In school, social studies classes never dealt with prostitution, or political corruption beyond the "biggies" like Watergate, or the rest of the "underside" of American society.

What about the rest of you? Did they talk about prostitution at your schools?

I haven't had the motivation to find out much about this subject, but I just did a search on yahoo and found an interesting article...

http://www.salon.com/mwt/feature/1999/10/15/prostitutes_and_moms/


By Anonymous on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 8:57 pm:

"Um, I always assumed prostitutes were at least decent looking."

Not the ones I've seen on the news. Those are some butt ugly skanks. Yeah, I've seen some show on HBO about some brothel out in NV, and those whores generally looked pretty fine, but your average street walker, well, there's a reason they're walking the streets instead...


By LUIGI NOVI on Monday, December 20, 2004 - 10:43 pm:

I remember Kevin Pollack doing some standup, and sarcastically talking about how "realistic" Pretty Woman was: "Sure, all my rich friends are dating prostitutes. And all the hookers on Hollywood Boulevard look just like Julia Roberts....(looks into the camera cynically, now dropping the irony)....You're lucky to get a full set of teeth on Hollywood Boulevard!"


By inblackestnight on Saturday, June 23, 2007 - 9:40 pm:

"So why did the guy in the wheelchair leave his apartment with the TV on?" KAM

Maybe so the neighbors, or anybody, think he's still at home so his apartment isn't burglarized.

"And finally, though T'Pol's "Ray gun" impressed the irritating guy, did it actually do any damage to the car door?" Thande

Yeah, it left a nice scorch mark on it.

"Why send only 2 people to stop the Xindi?" Obi-Jaun

Josh M already gave one reason, but I would think that the more people you send, the greater chance to corrupt the timeline.

Nice continuity having Archer setting his weapon to kill since stun had no effect a couple eps ago. I have no idea why people have different blood types, or how to test for them, but do some have a better immune system than others? This whole Xindi plot seemed rather pointless.


By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 6:22 pm:

The camerawork is very sloppy in this episode. Especially during the apartment scene when Archer is questioning the blood-bank employee.

The camera person has a lot of problem with the "zoom" lens


By ? on Wednesday, June 27, 2007 - 10:12 pm:

Assignment : Earth had the starship on Earths' 1968 time frame. Then it went away to its present. Sorry.


By Adam Bomb (Abomb) on Tuesday, February 03, 2009 - 11:50 am:

I like the way T'Pol deals with Loomis' smoking. Wish I could deal with smokers in the same way.
And, "Assignment: Earth" took place entirely in 1968. There were no scenes set in the 23rd century in the entire episode.


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