• SWVI: Return of the Jedi (part 2) May 18 - 9:56 am

Have a happy Jedi Holiday (Thanksgiving).

About nits 2, 6, 8, 12, and 16.
2. Because there are probably some bounties out there that require doors that big to get through, maybe bigger.
6. He made a new one
8. Why not? He saved Luke's, Leia's, Chewbacca's, and the droids' lives.
12. Construction isn't complete. They could have made the weapons system their first priority. Then they worked on everything else.
16. They were seperated at birth and Leia was raised by the Organas.

6. Suplimental. The sabre is only mentioned bacause it changes color in the other movies as well.

Is it carbonite or carbomite? I always thought it was the former.

Sorry about the typos.

The lightsaber changes because Luke lost his when his hand got cut off, and so had to build a new one.

Leia is NOT a general. (Although she deserves to be.)

>>>3. Note: The "bounty hunter" that brings Chewbacca in is female. 3-CPO calles the "bounty hunter" him and he. >>>

If I remember correctly (and I'm sure I'll be let know if I don't), the "Bounty hunter" in question is Leia, and the costume is fairly androgynous. She's disguising her voice. Why should 3PO assume she's a she? Most likely, the majority of bounty hunters in the SW universe are male anyway--Leia's probably trying to pass as a man.
Remember the SW universe is a fairly sexist one--besides Aunt Beru and Princess Leia, I can't think of any female characters in any of the 3 films.

Okay, a nit about the heading for this section: The title of the movie is "Return of the Jedi" not "The Return of the Jedi."

Thanks for the corrections KND and JC.

Mon Mothma is also a woman. Any more?

Oola, the dancing girl.

There was also a Rodian dancing girl in ROTJ:SE.

I'm sure there were female Ewoks. Unless they just self-replicate, like Tribbles.

;)

What about the alien with long lips singing? (can't remember the name) Looked female to me.

Those hoverbikes ridden by the Stormtroopers and later Luke, Leia and the Ewoks... they keep zipping around the trees... why not go over them if the bikes are already off the ground?

The alien with the long lips was Sy Snootles.

Sorry, but who is Mon Mothma? Forgive my ignorance.

Besides her, so far we've got:
1) Farmer's wife
2) Princess
3) Dancing girl

...as the only career openings for women in the Star Wars universe. How enlightened.

Re: The Stormtrooper Armor. I believe the lighter armor is used only by the stormtrooper scouts (the ones on the speeder bikes). In their role, it would make sense to have lighter armor, so they could move more easily.

To Adam: I thought so two, but they use the same armor on the Deathstar (II), as well. It might just be a uniform change, though.

What happened to the "firemen's helmets" the crew on the original Deathstar wore? I didn't see any here ('course it's been a while since I watched my tape)

Mon Mothma is the tall auburn-haired woman that we only see in this movie.
According to the books, she's one of the leaders of the Rebellion. By the way, in the
book of A New Hope, male and female fighter pilots kiss before leaving.

Who is Mon Mothma? Are you supposed to be a star wars fan or something? Who hear does not know. I am ashamed if Me and K.N.D. are the only ones! She is the Cheif of State of the Rebel alliance, and I have no idea why she is at a tactical breifing. Also, concerning other Women, specificaly Oola (For Joe Griffin: She's the one that Dances for Jabba, but he makes the floor fall down, and she goes by-by.) My sister noticed that her headband buckle is actually a rebel alliance simbol upside-down. A spy, perhaps?

Hey, Nitpicker5... CHILL OUT! Not everyone here is a starwars fanatic or has read the books... Maybe we're here cuz were trekkers or X-philes, and happened to see the Starwars board, so chill and cut everyone some slack!

One of the nits noted is 'Why doesn't Vader/Anakin's body vanish when he dies while Obi-Wan and Yoda's bodies do?'

Here's my explanation. Many Jedi will their bodies to be disposed of by the Force when they die. The Jedi don't believe their souls will be reunited with their bodies one day, so the Force 'cleans up after them', but only if they wish it. Obi-Wan and Yoda wished it, but Anakin/Vader didn't, so Luke had to use the old-fashioned 'funeral pyre' method.

Thanks for the explanation, Chris.

Darth's body didn't vanish so that Luke could build the funeral pyre and gaze into the
flames, making everyone go, "Oh, poor guy's going through emotional trauma. Sniff.

Actually, Nitpicker5, JC had already informed me who Oola was, so not only were you unneccesarily condescending, you weren't even actually telling me anything I didn't already know in your snotty parenthetical.

Are these characters referred to, _ever_, by their names on-screen during the films? If not, I don't know why I should be expected to know who they are. I stopped reading Star Wars, Star Trek, and Dr. Who books fifteen years ago, so if it's not in the movie--sorry!--I don't know it. I know this attitude will offend you, as you are obviously a completist, but I don't have the time or money to expend exploring every little corner of the Star Wars phenomenon. I understand these materials are considered canonical; I'm just no longer that obsessive.

While C-3PO is talking to the ewoks, one of them turns to another and says something.If you listen carefully, they actually say: "That guy's wise"
to which the other one replies: "More than I am short"

If you have widescreen, when Lando walks into shot for the first time in Jabba's palace, he whacks his head on the roof hard enough to push his helmet back.

I's also just like to say, that the moment when the rebels realise it's a trap and we see the huge fleet of ships trying to turn around is one of the all time best moments in the trilogy and indeed, cinema in general.

Good for you, Joe!!

In an interview sometime before 1980, Lucas mentioned he envisioned the Wookies as a peaceful, American-Indian type culture, living in harmony with nature and dancing around campfires. In this movie it becomes clear what he did with that idea.

Do female droids count? If so, EVE-9D9 (Eve) was female. She was the head droid in Jabba's Palace (and a mass murderer of droids). She is the one with 3 eyes and who assigns the droids to their jobs.

Also, there was a dancing woman with several more ... than are normally found in humans in Jabba's Palace. There were also 3 female singers in Jabba's Palace.

It was cut out of the movie, but in ANH there was a woman that Luke knew named Carrie. (one must wonder, did Luke think Leia was this woman when he yelled out "Carrie!" at the end of ANH?)

Is it just me, or did the evil, nasty, intelligent, super bounty hunter, and all around mean guy, Boba Fett, seem like kind of a ... clutz in this movie?

Actually, the woman Luke knew was named Camie. She was the daughter of moisture farmers, and one of Luke's friends on Tatooine.

Ah! Thats right!

She was Fixer's girlfriend.

Ah, so that's how they explained the long- and often-quoted "Carrie!" nit. ;-)

I always thought this one was kinda neat. When Lando brings the fleet out of hyperspace, All wings report in. Then Wedge (Red Leader) orders "Lock S-Foils into attack position" Watch where his hand goes! It goes straight up above his head, like he's pushing the button required to snap open the X-wing's X-wings.
But.... We've gotten a good enough look at the cockpit of the X-wing in the first two movies to know that there are no buttons, switches, lights, or pushy doo-dads on an X-wing's cockpit that are placed right above the Pilot's head. Nothing there but glass.

And I am in 100% agreement with Cableface on how exiting the Battle Of Endor is, especially when it begins. My favorite segment: Lando says "fighters coming in" very calmly, and then the viewer is treated to the sight of about 3 jillion Tie Fighters zooming past the cockpit of the Falcon, making Lando's observation the understatement of all movie land.

I read somewhere that the creators added a shoe to the Endor battle sequence.Like, instead of a ship.I can't see it anywhere, but maybe somebody else can if they look close enough.And in the bit where the TIE's rush at the Falcon, you can see that some of them towards the back are just appearing out of nowhere.

CLOAKING DEVICES!!!!! AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!

Back to the female actresses: Don't forget the Tonnika sisters in Cantina in ANH.

And that little Chandra-Fan (looks like a bat) was female too.

The shoe is supposed to be in the initial battle sequence in SWIV.

And the rest of you arguing about names of one-shot cameo characters need to get a life!

EVE-9D9 was a female droid? Wow. I missed that.

Wonder how that could have gotten by me, what with her sweet angelic voice :)

Anonymous, KISS MY WOOKIE!!!!!

CLOAKING DEVICES couldn't work.According to the captain of the Executor in Empire, a ship as small as the Falcon couldn't have a cloaking device, so I doubt one could fit on a TIE.

Trivia for you:Anyone know what T.I.E. stands for?
I do, I do, I do heeheeheeheehee.

Twin Ion Engine, right?

Right on, Anonymous! Hey, BTW, I've noticed that a lot of people go by Anonymous,
which makes it hard to tell them apart. Why don't you people pick handles to go by

Cableface, uh... it was a joke. I was refering to the fact that the TIEs appeared out of thin air (although that doesn't really apply to space, now does it? I mean, there is no air in space.)

Well, in Rebel Assault II, the Phantom TIEs have cloaking devices. Of course, I don't think that the CD-ROM games are canonical.

When Han Solo is frozen in ESB, he has a rope binding his upper arms to his sides. He wears plain blue pants. When Leia unfreezes him and he falls out onto the floor, the bond is gone, and now his pants have racing stripes.

In the Return of the Jedi, when they’re fighting on Jabba’s sail barge, Luke gets hit in the hand with a laser beam. He grimaces, bends over, and keeps fighting. Ok. We’ve seen single shots from blasters knock a speeder bike out of the air. So Luke gets hit with a laser beam and it doesn’t even make him drop his light saber? It doesn’t even make a mark on his skin! Sure, you can see a burnmark there, but if you look carefully, you can see that it’s there even before the laser hits it!

Later, during the battle at the shield generator, Leia is hit by a blaster shot when she and Han Solo trying to open the bunker doors. Two stormtroopers approach, training guns on Solo and Leia, telling Solo to turn around slowly. This gives the opportunity for Leia to shoot one of them with a blaster she’s concealing. When that stormtrooper falls down, the other one quickly follows suit. Now what, pray tell, made the other one fall down? He should have been perfectly fine, and he could have easily shot Leia or Solo. Of course, maybe he knew that since he was a stormtrooper, he had no chance of hitting either one of our heroes, so he simply admitted defeat.

And, of course, there is the fact that the Rebels run to a trench about fifty feet from the bunker, escaping an explosion that shoots a wall of flame at least a hundred feet in all directions.

When the Super Star Destroyer crashes into the Death star, there’s a full-length view of the ship striking the surface showing no visible curvature as a mushroom cloud engulfs the battleship. According to a canonical guide to the Star Wars space craft, the Super Star Destroyer is five miles long, and the second Death Star is a hundred miles in diameter. The Super Star Destroyer is still only a twentieth of the diameter of the battle station, but you’d think you’d see some curving of the Death Star’s surface.

And how does the SSD drift into the Death Star? Was it already heading there? I thought they were only supposed to keep the rebels from escaping. (Though there are only three routes of escape blocked off: towards the star destroyers, towards the Death Star, and towards the moon. Up, down, and the direction away from the moon are wide open.) If this was all they were supposed to do, they shouldn’t have gotten any closer to the Death Star. Views of the battle from the Emperor’s chamber show the fleets quite a good distance away. Views from inside the Millennium Falcon’s cockpit of the Imperial fleet confirms this. How did the Super Star Destroyer drift this far?

Why did the designers of the Death Star put the Emperor’s chamber on a pole a couple hundred feet high and only about thirty feet in diameter? A couple good shots would snap that tower in half.

And why did the designers of the Death Star make several large tunnels leading to the main reactor? (So the rebels could blow it up?)

And why, when the rebels get there, is the reactor so easy to blow up? Two shots in seperate places destroyed the whole thing!

And why does the ensuing fire ball reach the docking bay long before it bursts out of the superstructure tunnel? Luke commandeers an Imperial shuttle to escape the Death Star, darting out while an explosion of flame pushes out at the flanks of the craft. Before and after this, there are shots of the Millennium Falcon racing through the tunnel to escape, and there is at least thirty seconds of action with the Falcon before the fire gushes out of the opening.

Well, its not quite a nit, maybe even in character, but still worth noting. When Leia is knocked down at the entrance to the sheild generator, Han moves he to the alcove and props her up, in the process he COPS A FEEL. That's in character, if you really think he's a scoundrel, but you can see Carrie Fisher starting to smirk... which is a little suspect.

That thing about the rope tying Han's hands; just before he's frozen, those little pig-faced guys stand near him.It's difficult to see what they're doing but I'd say they probably took the rope off his arms.I don't know what happened to his pants though.

When he was led to the chamber, there were two bonds-- one around his wrists and one around his upper body and arms. The piggies take the cord around his wrists off so he can hold his hands forward in that dramatic gesture, but they do nothing with the other bond. You can see it on him as the platform is lowering him into the chamber.

Okay, here's something that bothers me. In Empire, we are lead to believe that Solo is probably the first person ever to be frozen in carbonite. (This really is an ROTJ nit, eventually) It is very convenient that the freezing unit he is put into has life-support monitors on it.
Here's the ROTJ part: when Leia/bounty hunter defrosts Solo, she tells him that he has "hibernation sickness," and that the blindness would be temporary. How could she possibly know this, since Han is the FIRST to be carbonite-frozen?!?!?!

Actually, I gathered from the dialog that carbonite freezing poeple was a known technology. Lando said that the -Cloud City- carbon freezer might kill a person, because it was not designed for freezing people and had never been used on living beings(I gather it was for freezing in gasses mined from Bespin for shipment).

In the book "A guide to the Star Wars Universe," it mentiones a few of Jabba's guards..
one was named Klattu, from the Nikto race and another guard was named Barada.
do the names ring a bell for anybody?

Craig Livingston: Yeah, it was a widely-used industrial machine, but the point is that it hadn't been used on life forms, therefore, they wouldn't know its effect on life forms. It's possible that they rigged it so it would clamp life support monitors onto the side of the carbonite, but I find that unlikely, since it had never needed such systems before, and Lando didn't know that Vader planned to freeze Han until very shortly before the process. They'd have to figure out how to get the monitors in the right place.

Yeah Klaatu Barada Nikto, that immortal quote from "The Day The Earth Stood Still" Those were the code words to shut down the big robot.

Ding, ding, ding.. we have a winner! and you win.. the admiration of all the others here. at least, hopefully..

About Luke getting shot on the hand while he's on the sail barge...
It's his robot hand that gets shot! This is clear later on when he's in the X Wing cockpit on the way to Degobah, when he pulls a black glove over the hand to hide the exposed mechanics.
Actually, I would expect the hand to malfunction or something after being shot, but then again maybe it's made of Blaster-proof metal or something.

THREAD DRIFT ALERT! (sort of)

Along the lines of those other questions about the throne tower, here's mine:

Who in their right mind would put a shaft in there apparently leading right down to a reactor of some kind?

BILC.and if it wasn't there, Vader couldn't have thrown the emperor to his windy death.

Another female: The h'mnethe (Lizard with the gotal) in the cantina named Myooth Onith, wich means "Night lilly" and what about the communications officer at Hoth?

Alright! Alright! Enough already!

There's an exterior shot of the Emperor's Tower with TIE Fighters swarming past. Given TIE Fighter Pilots navigational skills, couldn't one of them crash into the ultra-thin tower and smash it into in the other part of the Death Star, killing the Emperor. It seems really easy to get rid of.

Doesn't it seem like the Falcon should get incinerated?

Actually, in a draft of the script, it did.

Ok! This is a bit long, but.... Hans gets kinda "feely" during the battle on Endor! After Leia is shot, he reaches out and pulles Leia out of the way by grabbing her breast. Also, when D.V. arrives on the Death Star, there is a huge piece of scaffolding nearby, but in later shots, its not there. When the droids first enter Jabba's throne room, you hear many alien voices in the background. One of them is Greedo's voice speaking the EXACT same dialogue he said to Han in Star Wars. When we finally see the droids round the corner to enter the throne room, Threepio accidentally kicks an alien, and upsets it. Artoo then follows and stops, unsure of how to traverse the steps down to the main floor. The camera pans to the left, and as soon as Artoo is out of site, a three legged Artoo rolls out from the right, now on the main floor. Then, when the camera instantly cuts from this rear shot of the droids, to a shot of their fronts, Artoo no longer has his third leg deployed. During filming of the Jabba scenes, they were acted out in english. Later, Jabba's english lines were taken out, and substituted with his Hutteese language. But if you read the english subtitles and watch Jabba's lips, he is actually mouthing the english equivelant of the alien lines he's speaking. When Han is released from the carbonite, he falls on the floor and gets the front of his white shirt all dirty and muddy. Later, when he is brought before Jabba, his shirt is clean again. After Luke grabs the plank and jumps back up onto the skiff, he flips in the air, and then grabs his lightsaber, which Artoo has shot over to him. Watch Han in the background. He is supposed to be blind, but he follows the action quite closely. Luke takes a running leap from the skiff that he was brough out to the Sarlacc on, and jumps over to a second one. When the camera cuts to a wide shot of Luke jumping, look at the skiff on the right. You can see a matte painting of Lando hanging on underneath it. Although the skiff and everything else in this shot casts a shadow onto the sand, Lando's body does not! When Lando is hanging onto the skiff to keep from falling into the Sarlacc pit, on all of the close up shots, Lando does not have gloves on, but in the far shots, he has black gloves on. Threepio says the line "Well, I can't possibly . . ." and then Artoo pushes Threepio off of the edge. If you look closely, you can see several wires actually pulling Threepio off of the skiff. When Luke and Leia are swinging, the swing that they take is physically impossible as there is no focal point for the rope to be attached to. You can tell by the angles from when they leave, and when they land, that the rope is attached to a point somewhere between the skiff and the sail barge. Only there is nothing there for it to be attached to. Han attempts to sneak up behind a trooper but steps on a twig alerting him to Solo's presence. The scout quickly turns and swats Han in the face. If you watch closely or watch frame by frame, you'll notice that Han actually begins to recoil from the hit, before the scout even touches him. Two troopers leave on speeder bikes, and Luke and Leia follow. The camera comes back on Han. Notice in the very bottom right of the screen and you can see the trooper Han has been fighting with, and he is standing and waiting for his cue to re-enter the fight. Luke tells Threepio to tell the Ewoks that if our heros are not set free, that he will use his magic. If you look on the right of the screen, Artoo is standing untied, even though at that point in the movie he had not been untied yet! As Threepio is frantically screaming as Luke makes him float over the heads of the Ewoks, listen for Threepio to say "Artoo . . . Quickly!!" Look at the extreme far left of the screen, and for a split second, you can see Chewbacca poke his head out. This is before Chewbacca had been released. Although not a blooper, this scene is when the rebels are planting charges in the bunker but get interrupted by the Imperials. The rebels are escorted outside and we get a wide sweeping shot of the captured rebels in the forest, from left to right. You can see a circle of Stormtroopers around another stormtrooper with his helmet off. This person is a rebel in disguise, i suppose! This nit comes when Luke has jumped up to a catwalk to avoid Vader.
Vader says "then you will meet your destiny," and tosses his lightsaber up at Luke. Watch the toss in slow motion and as the lightsaber crosses in front of Luke, you can see that the lightsaber blade is actually coming out of the handle end of the lightsaber hilt. This next nit has happene in 2 Ford movie, possible more. As the bunker on Endor is about to explode from the charges the rebels have set. As everyone is running away from the bunker, Han calls out "Move! Move!". As he runs away from the building, the second time he calls out "MOVE!", you can see Han's reflection behind him running in opposite direction. This is because there is a sheet of plexiglass between Han and the explosion used to protect the actors in case of an accident.

Wow! That was even longer than I thought!

In Return of the Jedi, when the Emperor and Darth Vader are walking side by side on the Death Star, the Stormtroopers behind them are cardboard cut-outs.

When the rebel fighter's enter the deathstar the X-wing at the back only has two engines on.

Merat:

Did you read any of the prior posts before the massive block of text you put up there?

If I`m wrong here I apologise in advance, because if I am wrong I`m doing a miscredit to Merat`s work but did he get the nits from Jeremy Kennedy`s page? The wording is exactly the same.

Hey since we're counting females, Mara Jade was supposed to be in the background of Jaba's Palace. (Sorry if someone already said this, but I didn't have time to read everything)

Uh, Flint. How can Mara Jade be in the background of the Throne Room scenes? To the best of my knowledge, she never appeared (in our timeframe) until The Thrawn Novel Trilogy.

Perhaps she was the redhead Boba Fett showed an interest in in the Special Edition.

No. The redhead was an alien singer named Rystall.

As far as I know, Mara Jade is human.

nope, i didnt, just tried to word the nits right. but i was in a hurry so some of it doesnt make sense.

And yes, i did read the prior posts before posting, any duplicates were accidental.

It was established that Mara was in Jabba Palace in Tales From Jabba's Palace (i think)

Sure, but was she in the film? I don't think so.

"did he get the nits from Jeremy Kennedy`s page?
The wording is exactly the same."

I got exactly the same impression when I read it. The wording IS identical.

Yeah! Get your own material, Merat! Copying other people's stuff is blatant plagerism!

I can't believe nobody has noticed this before! In the scenes where Leia is wakingh up after being trown from the speeder bike, you can very clearly see that she is wearing some kind of blue eye makeup! I mean, maybeshe just has dark circles under her eyes from not sleeping enough, but it's a little too blue. How did she find time to put on makeup in the morning, busy little Rebel that she is?

And while I'm here, what is the real name of the Rebel Alliance? I doubt the Rebels would call themselves Rebels, so what is it? I prefer "The Alliance to Restore the Republic," but I'm not sure if this is canon. And while I'm at it, don't you think the names of the various organizations are rather dumbed-down? I mean, first there was the Republic. Not the Republic of anything, just the Republic. Then there is the Empire. Not the Empire of anything or anything's Empire, just the Empire. NExt come the Rebels, or as I just mentioned, the Alliance to Restore the Republic, which is slightly better, but not much. Then the Rebellion defeats the Empire and sets up… the New Republic. Can't these people think of any creative names? They're worse than Star Trek!

I`d "admit" I was a rebel against such a bad Empire. And, by the way, it`s called the Galactic Empire. It was referred to as that in the opening crawl of the first film (A New Hope, not The Phantom Menace!)

That's a point.From now on, when we say "the first film", which first film are we referring to?
Ah , the mysteries of life.....

What? yousa mean your not all Trekkers, Msties, Xphiles, Simpsonholic Nitpickers amazing.

Ben tells Luke that he & his sister were hidden from Vader after they were born. They did a good job hiding Leia, but not Luke. They 'hid' him on Tattoine & let him keep the name Skywalker. Vader will never think to look there!

Does anyone else thint it shoddy construction on the part of the Empire that a Super Stardestroyer would be taken out by an A-Wing crashing into the bridge? "Oh, dear, our rpimary command centre is gone. I suppose that we all get to die now, because we seem to have no back up systems..."

>Ben tells Luke that he & his sister were hidden from Vader after they were born. They did a good job hiding Leia, but not Luke. They 'hid' him on Tattoine & let him keep the name Skywalker. Vader will never think to look there!>

Actually, this sounds like a good stratgy to me. It puts Luke at tremendous risk, but, follow me on this one. Supose Vader goes looking for his child or children. He easily finds Luke with his Anakin's brother. However, he focuses his attention on Luke and ignores the other child. He even is oblivious to the fact that Leia is his daughter in the first film.

I'm surprised nobody noticed this one yet:

At the beginning of the speederbike chase scene, when Luke and Leia are on the speederbike together, Luke yells at Leia, "Jam their comlink!", points to a button, and says, "That button!".

Wait...you mean to tell me that every speederbike in the Imperial army is equipped with a button that jams the comlinks of the other bikes? Is this button labeled, "Jam Their Comlink"? Do other Imperial war machines have Jam Their Comlink buttons, too?

I can just imagine the other stormtroopers' reactions to having their comlinks jammed: "S***, my comlink doesn't work! They must have hit the Jam Their Comlink button! Dammit, why aren't these things equipped with an Unjam Our Comlink button?"

But then, what else can you expect from the engineers who came up with such classics as the Death Star's One-Shot-Killzem Destructo-Port^TM techology?

TO Jam a comm-link all you have to do is send a signal on that frequency to scramble any of theirs. Thats' what luke is telling Leia to do. Also, It is Bens' brother, Owen Lars, not Anakin's brother (he doesn't have one) that Luke is left with, while Leia is given to Bail Organa. From what I gathered from the books and comics and such, is that most people on the desert world have strange names, Cole Fardreamer.....Anyone, anyone? Maybe skywalker is like Smith on our world. Also, Vader didn't even know he had any children. That's why he wasn't looking for them. It wasn't until after the Luke destoryed the first death star that the empire became aware of Skywalker and the Emperor could sense how strong the force was in him. The emp is a smart man and put 2 and 2 together. Leia, who has less Force power was taken and off and hidden as well, as an Ace in the hole sort of thing

At work, we have walkie talkies, and use them quite often. If I wanted to jam them, all I would need to do is to hit the transmit button and it would block that frequency useless. I assume the speeder comlinks work the same way. So, it wasn't a "Jam Their Comlink" button, but a "transmit" button.

CCabe, I figured the same thing, but I liked CrashPoint's scenario with the other speeder drivers anyways...

Does anyone else find it unbelievable that of the Star Destroyers in the neighbourhood of Endor, not one availed itself of the opportunity to avenge the Emperor and crush the Republic right then and there? They certainly had the power for it.

Right before he dies Anakin tells Luke "tell your sister you were right."
How does Anakin know what Luke told his sister?

I don't think he neccessarily knew what Luke had told Leia; he just wanted her told that he had been redeemed before his death, whether she knew of Luke's belief in him or not.

For whomever possesses the score to the film Star Wars: Return of the Jedi, I bear a question. Does the score include the music that played during the lightsaber conflict between Luke Skywalker and Darth Vader at the very conclusion prior to Luke cauterizing Darth Vader's right hand? Furthermore, does anyone happen to already have possession of this particular score and would be willing to exchange songs? If you wish to answer either of the above inquiries, then please contact me at Ubiqtysync@pcpostal.com, or of course my AOL account under the same screen name (i.e., Ubiqtysync).

At the very start of the film 3PO says "poor Lando and Chewbacca never returned from this place." But as we see later, Chewbacca hasn't been taken in yet.
Another female sighting...kinda. In ANH did you ever wonder what Han was doing while Chewbacca was talking to Ben and Luke? A cut scene had him sitting and talking to a black haired women (girlfriend?) named Jenny. I got a link to a pic of it somewhere, if someone really wants to see it I'll dig it up.

Ok a few more.
When Han is trying to pull Lando up from the pit the hovercraft is listing heavily do to damage. When they finally pull him up it has gotten itself back on an even keel.
When Chewbacca is taken away Lando lowers his mask so we can see its him. Why does he do it in the context of the film. It doesn't improve his sight any.
Before Luke is moved to the plank he nods to Lando. Nobody seems to care the prisoner has just nodded knowingly to a guard.
Also on the way out to the pit he (quite clearly) tells Han to "just stay close to Lando." None of the other guards seem to be interested in this. And if he's still partly blind how is Han suppose to know which one is Lando?
When Yoda vanishes his clothes vanish too.

Ok one more, I'm watching RotJ incase you haven't guessed.
Almost everytime we see someone or something slashed by a lightsaber it is cut in half (Luke's hand, Darth Maul, Vader's hand and the rail behind it, the guy in the bar's arm in ANH, the battledroids, etc) However nobody Luke hits with his saber while fighting Jabba's thugs is cut into sections as they should be.

Maybe it's on a stun setting or something?

Ok I finished the movie.
*Luke and Leia swinging over from the sail barge is impossible. There is nothing high enough for the rope (hose?) to hook onto.
*When Han is going to board the Imperial shuttle and tells Lando to take the Falcon watch Lando's shoulder harness. Up till now it has always come off his right shoulder. But when he says to Han "Will you get going you pirate" and then waves good buy they flipped the negative so it is coming off his left shoulder. His little rank thing also swithches sides.
*Then as Han and the others are preparing to take off he looks out the window at his beloves Falcon. The only problem is if you watch the Falcon's position during the above conversation with Lando you'll notice it is to the right of the shutle, not in front of it.
*Next as our heroes take off toward Endor you can see the rebel fleet is flying the wrong way! They should be flying toward the Death Star but instead they are flying perpendicular to the course that'll take them to it.
*Then when they land everyone is using hand signs to make sure nobody hears them. Not a bad idea, but then 3PO starts talking VERY LOUDLY. Did they just forget to tell him to keep it down?
*I've also got to wonder how much R2 will be able to roll around in a very rough terrain like on Endor.
*After Luke dispatches the last speeder bike with his lightsaber he heads back to Han and the others. My question (and I ask this having been lost in the forest more then once) is how does he know which way it is back to the others? He's been turned and tossed so much I find it hard to believe his bearings haven't been thrown off.
*When the Ewok (Wicket I think his name was) finds Leia she is asleep. Is this really a good time for a nap? She can't have been unconscious because nobody I have ever heard of being in that condition was awakened by being poked with a spear.
*After Wicket trips the biker scout Leia KO's him by hitting him with Wicket's spear. Isn't he protected by all that armor he has on? Would hitting him with a wooden spear really do the job? *Obviously not because when Wicket leads her away to the Ewok village if you look at the ground the biker scout is gone.
*She also didn't check to make sure the one on the bike was dead. Remember when she said "This'll all be for nothing if they see us?" Better make sure he isn't playing possum Leia.
*Is anyone else surprised Chewbacca falls for the dead animal trap? I mean once you get past all the fur and growling he is a space navigator, a space enginneer, and a robot machanic. He isn't dumb. Yet he falls for the dead animal trick?
*Why were there so many Ewoks manning that trap. They surround it. Wouldn't any animal smell them and run away? Why bother with the net if you got a dozen guys with spears?
*As they get back to the Ewok village we see to get across you have to swing on a rope. First of all this is just asking for trouble, "Well we lost Bob today. He was one of our best warriors but he was having a bad day so he fell a thousand feet to his death..."
*How are they suppose to get our heroes across. 3PO is sitting on that thrown thing, the others are tied to logs, and R2 is on a dolly. Not very condusive to swinging.
*Do the Ewoks always keep cloths that are of human size around? Why did Leia change, was something wrong with her camo uniform?
*The Ewoks consider 3PO to be a god. Yet when he asks them to do something they ignore him! What kinda culture is this when they just elevate someone to godhood then ignore their commands?
*When the Ewok jumps on the speederbike he zooms away on it. Now who taught him how to fly it?
*As Luke is taken in front of the Emperor he says "soon I'll be dead, and you with me." Good going Luke, if the Emperor didn't known about the attack yet he does now. Why don't you just tell him where every ship's weak points are while you're at it.
*As the fleet goes into, and comes out of, lightspeed and during the battle Lando
A) Doesn't have on the shoulder harness and gun mentioned above. So he wares it when everything is fine and safe, then takes it off when he goes into battle?
B)Ok this is real nit-picking. He buttons his collar without having a tie on. Everyone knows you aren't suppose to botton your collar unless you have a tie on. Especially if you have long sleeves, which he does. It also restricts his head movement.
*During the battle on Edor several Stormtroopers appear to be KO'd by Ewok clubs and spears. But aren't they waring armor? What good is this armor if it doesn't even stop little clubs and arrows and spears?
*The first ship hit by the Death Star is flying the wrong way.
*After R2 is hit Han sets about hotwiring the door. First of all how did he get the panel off? He doesn't seem to have any screwdriver with him or anything. Second as he says "maybe I can hotwire this thing" he turns to do so and has his gun in his hand. The scene changes briefly and then goes back to him. Now his gun has vanished. If he put it in the holster while the scene was changed he made a lot of progress on the panel with only one hand.
*The rotation of the Death Star must be questioned. The stars seem to go past the Emperor's window at a good speed. First of all why is the Death Star rotating at all? This would just have the effect of masking it's weapons from the battle (the external shots doesn't have it rotating at all.) Second the entire time the space battle is clearly visible out the same window, it should start out in the left window and drift out of view on the right side.
*A lot of the larger traps the Ewoks set up to use against the AT-STs would take way to long to set up.
*When the defelector base blows up it causes a giant fireball. Not a good this on a forest moon with little or no fire fighting ability.
*When Luke finally gives into his hate and screams "NOOO!!" we see he was infact hiding right behind the stairs.
A) He was silhouetted nicely by the light coming thru the steps.
B) He was about 6 feet away from Vader.
How did the dark lord NOT see him?
*As the A-wing pilot crashes into the super stardestroyer it heels over and falls into the Death Star. But it wasn't over the Death Star. It was quite a way away from it with the rebel fleet between them. And why does it "fall?" Remember in space there is no "up."
*The wind at Anakin's funeral pyre acts funny. When Luke lights it there is no wind (and has anyone here ever got a fire that big started so fast without chemical help? I sure haven't.) Then suddenly it kicks up real strong blowing from left to right. Then when we cut to a close up of Luke it has switched directions and is blowing right to left (watch his hair.) Then we cut back again and it has started blowing left to right agian.
*I've said it before but I'll say it again. Wouldn't it have been nice of Luke to invite Leia and 3PO to attend Anakin's funeral. All three of them were (sort of) Anakin's children. Doesn't he think they might want to say their good-byes too?
*Finally when Leia goes to pull Luke back to the group she totally misses the ghoasts of Anakin (her father), Yoda, and Ben. Is she blind? Or is she just ignoring them?

Err. I had to watch it again and got more. Do I get any prize yet for most mosts?
*When Luke goes back to see Yoda after the later has laid down watch his blanket just before he says "there is still one thing you must do." First the blanket is pulled up to his neck on his left shoulder and just off his shoulder on his right shoulder. The scene cuts to Luke saying "...Vader." The scene then cuts back to Yoda, but now the blanket is around his chest.
*When Vader goes to tell the Emperor that the rebels have landed on Endor watch the light on his chair near his right hand. When he first comes in it is on. When the Emperor asks him if his feelings are clear on this matter the light is off. When he then tells Vader to go down to the moon its on again.
*Maybe its just my tape but starting when Luke is in front of the Emperor and says "You're gravely mistaken..." watch the white vertical lights on the elevator shaft. They seem to shake back and forth slightly. They continue to do up till Luke and Vader are fighting.
*I mentioned it above but I'll expand on it here. The only time the stars aren't moving in the Emperor's window are when Luke is watching the space battle thru the tiny windows on the extreme right side. And an interesting view he has, he gets to see the battle from the side (you can tell because you can see the Executor lengthwise.) But the Death Star is at the other end of the battle. He should be looking at the Executor (and all the ships) from head on not sideways.
*After Luke kicks Vader down the stairs and turns off his lightsaber Vader gets up. His cape is off his left shoulder. Then when the scene switches to him climbing the stairs it has realised someone as royal as Vader has to have his cape on his shoulder and has climbed back up on it.
*After Vader tosses the Emperor into the core he falls on the stuff sticking up from the floor. As he does so you can see Prowes's hand bend at the wrist in the sleeve made to look like Vader's severed arm. This has the effect of making it look like Vader's arm has bent about half way down his forearm.
*The Emperor screems for help as Vader picks him up. Yet the >>ROYAL GUARD<< doesn't come running?
*And why doesn't anyone else seem to care a battered Darth Vader is being dragged thru the hallways and into the hanger by Luke?
And how did Luke drag his all the way to the hanger so fast? Is this some version of the "run real fast" trick we saw Ben and Qui use in TPM?
*As Luke takes off Vader's mask the hanger is nearly empty. Now if you were in a hurry to get off a battlestation that was about to go boom where would you go?
*One last thing then I'm gonna go get a life. Does anyone else wish they had letterboxed the scrolling words at the beginning so they would have been easier to read like they did the last couple seconds of the film?

Might you have meant "most posts" and not "most mosts"?

Not a nit, but something that has always nothered me...

When Luke enters Jabba's palace, his entrance is blocked by two of the pig guards who Luke proceeds to *CHOKE*. Now, it's never mentioned in any of the films, but I was always under the impression that this was something only evil Jedi do. And how was he trained to do this? Who did he practice on?

I've heard, but don't know if I believe, a rumor about this. The rumor is that Lucas was trying to make the audience wonder if Luke had gone bad between films.
First he gives R2 and 3PO to Jabba.
Then, in the holograph, we see he is dressed in a black Sith like uniform.
Then he uses the choke hold.
Then he uses the mind trick on Bib Fortuna.
Then he tries to use it on Jabba.
Then he uses the force to grab a guard's gun in an attempt to shoot Jabba in cold blood.
All the while he is making threats along the lines of "don't underestimate my power" and "you can either prosper by this or die, its your choice."
Has Luke surrendered to the dark side? Well, from what I hear thats what we were suppose to wonder.

Sorry, Adam, but I have a couple of questions about your theory. How does using the Jedi mind trick count as a dark side power? We saw Ben do it in "A New Hope".

Not my theory.

My mistake, but presumably you know what I mean, right?

I'm sure this has been beaten to death in many other fora, but I haven't seen it here yet. . .

After Yoda dies, Luke tells R2 "I can't go on alone. . ." and a certain deceased Jedi knight says "Yoda will always be with you." Luke turns and says "Obi-Wan!". Obi-Wan? Where did this come from? Luke has always know Ben Kenobi as Ben Kenobi--I can't even remember a prior occasion when he called him anything but "Ben".

Ben tld him that his real name was Obi-Wan in ANH somewhere. He probably used "Obi-Wan" out of respect.

That was certainly my impression.

Another thought: Luke certainly did know that Ben's real name was Obi-Wan. And this is the first time since his dialogue with Vader that Luke has seen his old master. I thought Luke was addressing him with the more formal "Obi-Wan" as away of showing the emotional distance that has grown between them since Luke found out Vader was his father.

This next nit came to mind shortly after seeing tPM. It concerns the mathematics of Sith warriors.

SWI tells us that there can only be two Sith at any one time, the master and the apprentice. Surprisingly enough, this is consistent with tESB and RotJ: Darth Vader tells Luke in tESB that they will destroy the emperor and rule the galaxy themselves, and the emperor encourages Luke to strike Vader down and take his place at the emperor's side in RotJ.

Question: given this premise, why does neither the emperor nor Vader suspect the other of duplicity in the least?

Perhaps neither of them think the other is smart enough to suspect this.

They can use the Force, right? Maybe they can each see a different future in which they win.

Or maybe they jsut think that each one of them is strong enough to defeat the other if it should come to that.

Time to play armchair Jedi again. At the end of the film Luke is trying to carry Anakin to a shuttle. Unfortunatly he's trying to carry him by giving him something to lean against. But surprise surprise Anakin falls down and has to be dragged the last couple feet (?) because he (obviously) can't walk at all. So why was Luke carrying him this way at all? I would think carrying him fireman style (over his shoulder/ers) would be faster and wouldn't result in Anakin falling to the floor _atleast_ once.

Why not use the Force to levitate and carry him?

Responding to Adam's post:

We should consider that Anakin is still wearing his black machine armor that must weigh a ton, and Luke just doesn't look that strong to me. And yes, he could use the Force, but that definitely would lose the emotional significance.
(Luke nonchalantly strolling through the hangar, Anakin floating along beside him.) :-)

If Luke can hold him up the way he was, which admittedly he couldn't, then he can carry him over his shoulders. I've carried a couple hundred pounds that way and I wouldn't call myself especially strong. In fact thats why firemen use that style. You can lift a lot more weight that way.

Luke calls him Obi-Wan because he`s almost a fully-fledged Jedi.

According to one A-Z guide Jabba's band are called the Jizz Wailers, I can't recall them being named on screen but in the UK Jizz means something even worse than Red Dwarf's Smeg does.

Okay. Time to nitpick the synopsis:

Death Star is two words.

The droids bargain, not "bargan."

And Jabba "sentences" them to the "Sarlaac."

The Rebels "escape" and *L*uke returns to D*a*gobah.

:)

Thanks for the corrections, PITA.

When Han is unfrozen by Leia only the cabonite infront and covering him melts. Shouldn't it all melt at the same time if the heat source is from the sides? And if it's hot enough to melt carbon wouldn't Han get at least third degree burns out of it?

Watch the scene where Luke cuts off Vader's hand. The section of the rail that is "brake away" is clearly visable and marked. As is David's hand inside the artifically glove holding the saber.
At the end when Luke is rejoining the others his lightsaber is again hanging on his belt. Didn't he toss it away? Did he really take the time to collect it before trying to get his father to a shuttle to escape the exploding Death Star? Apparently not because next time we see his hip its gone.

The Empire has changed their alphabet since SW4:ANH, in SW4:ANH film the tractor beam power plant which Ben Kanobi shuts down has text in written in English with the Roman alphabet. On the new Death Star the readouts show a alien alphabet.

While in Jabba's palace R2D2 sounds like his voice box has been changed as the sound seem different to the ones used in the first 2 films.

The droid overseer must have not bothered to give R2D2 a service before fitting that drinks tray. Great character though, with that menacing electronic voice, shame we didn't see more of them.

Why does Jabba hurl Oola to the Ranccor (sp?), I wouldn't suprise me I he did it just for a laugh.

I would have helped if there were a few more subtitles for Jabba, Bibfortuna & the rest of Jabba's friends.

My Brother wondered why Luke didn't try a mind trick on the ranccor, I presume it didn't like with Jabba.

Is the "New Look" Sarlacc related to the astroid monster in ESB? it's mouth looks almost the same.

I see R2D2 has now gained a cattle prod to show Salacious Crumb & the Ewoks who's boss.

Why In ESB does Yoda try to talk Luke into completing his training when it's complete. Was he so long without company that he wasn't going to let Luke go.

At times Admiral Akbar's voice sounds like a mixture of Cornish & Cockney accents.

The Original Deathstar was supposed to have been built around a moon, but the new one has a hollow core that han be flown into.

Is it an effect of the force that Luke & Leia can fly the speeder bikes without wearing the Scout trooper's helmets, which are supposed to have navigation computers.

The Scout who flys beside Luke doesn't seem to have a gun or does he like to show off by trying to ram Luke. (Bad move because Luke chops off the front of the Speeder & it spins into a tree.)

The Ewoks go out of the way to restyle Leia's hair & sow up a new dress for her, though when they find the others they take a different view & want to spit roast Han.

I like C3PO's sound effects while telling the Ewoks about the Empire & the Alliance.

You can see what looks like New York's Chrysler building in one of the city clips.

I've been keeping a note of actor's in the trilogy who've appeared in Dr Who, & the only one I spotted is this was Deep Roy, who also appeared at least 4 times in Blake's 7.

When Luke leaves Yoda in ESB his training *isn't* complete but the events that transpire between that leaving and meeting him again in ROTJ have taught Luke to become a man and a fully-fledged Jedi.

Nitpicker5:

I am a true believer that if you have too much of a good thing, then you take it for granted. If I read every book about Star Wars, I certainly wouldn't savor in the true greatness of Star Wars like I do. This makes me just as big a fan of Star Wars fan as you.

After Vader throws the Emporer into the bottemless pit, you can see his skeleton when the sparks hit him. So why can't we see Luke's skeleton when he is shocked?

I saw the movie's poster that incorrectly called the movie Revenge of the Jedi. Boy was I mad.

The title was changed when it was realised that Jedis arn't supposed to act in revenge.

Actually, it was changed because STII was originally "The Revenge of Khan", and they didn't want the same name.

ScottN, you`ve got it the wrong way round. STII was originally The Vengeance Of Khan but that was changed because it was too simialr to Revenge Of The Jedi. It was changed to The Wrath Of Khan, must to everyone working on it`s dismay. Then it turned out the other film was now Return Of The Jedi. The fact is, it never was Revenge, this was a fake title.

There was a huge hole leading into the main reactor for the rebels to fly into because the Death Star was still under construction. That's why the rebels attacked at that time.
BTW, for anyone that cares, the second A-wing that followed Wedge and the Falcon was piloted by Tycho Celchu from the X-Wing books. I read that in one of the Acknowledgments parts. I know, I'm obsessive.

There were some elite stormtroopers on Endor during the battle. They were actually able to hit something. One was able to hit R2, altough he got shot right after that and another was able to shoot Leia, of all the people there, in the arm. Unfortunately he didn't kill her and his accomplishment was put to waste as two more stormtroopers were kille by Leia. The reason the Executor hit the Death Star, was because it was damaged and no one was controlling it. Since the Death Star generates its own gravity, it pulled the SSD into colliding with it.

In addition, the Death Star is approximately the size of a small moon (cf. SWIV:ANH). Anything that massive has a gravitational field regardless of whether it "generates its own gravity".

In response to Richard Davies... About the alien Alphabet... Its called the "Aurebesh" and is an alternative alphabet in the SW universe. I read this somewhere but I can't remember where.

maybe i'm mistaken about this nit, and that's why no one's posted it here(at least i don't think anyone's posted it here). in the luke/vader duel, after the "neverrrrrrr!" line, luke furiously attacks vader, and after they clear the botom of the stairs, it cuts to the shot that's in the scene colage(sp?) at the beginning of the 1995 tapes. you know, the "for those who remember". if you look at the floor you can see the shadows of the dueling couple, and the shadows of their lightsabers too. the only problem is these are LIGHTsabers. since their blades are made of light, they should not have a shadow when a light looks down on them. the reason for the shadow is that while filiming the scene, the creators use poles to stand in for the saberlight.

R.Davies: Good point about the Ewoks and Leia! Maybe they had less respect for Han & Co. since they found them in a trap, whereas Leia had obviously been downed in battle?

Speaking of that trap scene...I'm sorry, I just don't buy Chewbacca, however hungry, stomping so eagerly into something so obvious. And why - although i realize it's supposed to be a cute moment - doesn't Artoo tell somebody he's cutting through the net?

Boy-oh-boy, do the stormtroopers come off badly in this one. One would hope that the Empire usually has considerably less trouble than this when subduing native populations (especially primitive ones)...otherwise, they're doomed to be a really, really small Empire. [Hey, maybe that's why all the 'troopers we see are such lousy shots - they go through 'em so fast they don't have time to properly train the replacements! ;)]

Another part of the problem, of course, is that (in true Bugs Bunny fashion) the fuzzy little Ewoks turn out to be seriously scary when provoked, constructing a whole forestful of huge elaborate weapons systems in one night using nothing but their fuzzy little paws. (I have heard this scenario defended by those that say the traps may have already been in place - that the Ewoks have other enemies. Problem is, the [Lucasfilm] animated series depicts those enemies as one tribe of klutzy goofballs.)
Meanwhile, you'd think all this activity - trees rustling, logs falling, Ewoks squeaking etc. - would have been obvious to even the most inept Imperial sentry...they do post sentries around this incredibly important piece of equipment, right? And they're out hunting for the Rebel scum as hard as they can, right? Aaaaannnddd...come to think of it, they'd probably know exactly where the Ewok village is, right? ;)

Sith Lords and Apprentices exist in conflict. Vader will never kill Palatine, until he learns everything he can from him. Palatine needs an apprentice and thinks he can control Vader and his power. They know that one will try to kill the other someday.

Someone was wondering how Lando became a General after freezing Han in the previous movie. Simple, he has just volenteared for a suicide mission aginst an inpenetrable battlestation. Might as well give him an important rank to be remembered by.

A few years ago, in some magazine I saw a list of 100 reasons why RoTJ is not as good as the first two movies. I wonder if anyone else has seen this list, and could tell me where to find it? I can only remember a few of the reasons listed.

Princess Leia's Witty Dialogue in RoTJ:
To Han Solo at Jabba's-"I gotta get you outta here!"
To R2D2 on the skiff-"Come on, let's get outta here!"
To an Ewok-"Let's get outta here!"

Music:
Star Wars-Main Title Theme
Empire Strikes Back-Imperial March
Return of the Jedi-The Ewok "Jub Jub" song

Does this ring any bells out there?

Duke, the (unsubtle but fiendishly hilarious) list is called 'Fifty Reasons Why Jedi Sucks', and it can currently be found as an appendix to Ted Edwards' wonderful Unauthorized Star Wars Compendium. (Friends tell me it first appeared in 'Cinescape' magazine.)

One hint: They really do hate Ewoks...

In defense of RotJ, I'd like to add the The Emperor's theme, as well as the song for Luke & Leia, were both introduced, in here. Also, it brought closure to ideas opened by TESB. Though I agree that The Ewoks have their problems, look on the bright side: at least these guys didn't talk; the Gungans did...

Jedi Master - are you the guy who used to post as Jedi-in-Training and Jedi Apprentice?

BTW, I much prefer the new Special Edition tune at the end. It fits the occasion pefectly, a mixture of happiness and sadness.

Actually, the 'Fifty Reasons Why Jedi Sucks' article was published in Sci-Fi Universe.

A link:

http://www.digiserve.com/eescape/closet/silly/50-Reasons-Jedi-Sucks.html

Jedi Master - are you the guy who used to post as Jedi-in-Training and Jedi
Apprentice?

Yes, I am, Padawan.

Yes!!! That's the list! Thanx for the URL CornPone!

Obviously all the officers in the Imperial Navy decided to skip school. They are trying to trap the Rebel fleet. So what do they do? They cram all of their ships into this little area, and leave huge spaces for the Rebels to escape through.

If you look at one of the concept drawings in The Art of Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi you'll find an interesting idea for Oola's costume - namely, she is naked. I wonder if this was ever intended to be her state in the film??

Seriously - I'm not kidding. See for yourself, anyone who has it!

I wonder how they'd planned on pulling that one off, especially considering Lucas' stance on nudity of any kind.

If you look at one of the concept drawings in The Art of Star Wars Episode VI: Return of the Jedi you'll find an interesting idea for Oola's costume - namely, she is naked. I wonder if this was ever intended to be her state in the film??

Who is Oola?

Re Oola: she's one of Jabba's dancers: the pretty one who becomes "accidentally declothed" prior to her fall into the Rancor pit. Anyway, her name is in the end credits.

Oola's one of Jabba's dancers: the pretty one who becomes "accidentally declothed" prior to her fall into the Rancor pit.

Like that's a big surprise, really. The final costume design was really an accident waiting to happen.

Actually, it's clear in the Star Wars Encyclopaedia that practically everything can be seen through her nets, but that wasn't visible in the film.

One wonders what the MPAA would have tagged this one with if they had known about that.

One wonders what the MPAA would have tagged this one with if they had known about that.

It doesn't matter what they know about what it looked like on set all that mattered is what was on the screen.

I don't remember if I posted this before so I'll post it again. Luke asks Leia if she remembers her real mother? But he hasn't told her Vader is her real father yet! At this point as far as she knows Bail Organa WAS her real father, his wife WAS her real mother. So She obviously wasn't talking about Padme.

At this point as far as she knows Bail Organa WAS her real father, his wife WAS her real mother.

Who ever said that she though he was her real father? If she was old enough to remember images of her real mother perhaps Bail Organa didn't want to try to decieve her, about who her mother was. He could have told her "I took you in after your mother died and I don't know who your father was" Perhaps he didn't know who her father was.

Brian's probably right, since Leia didn't seem the least bit confused when Luke said, "your REAL mother".

But now I'm starting to wonder about Obi Wan's statement that Leia remained safely anonymous. If she was with Padme for a few years, wouldn't that have made her traceable by Vader or the Emperor? I don't know. Maybe not. But in any case, if Luke and Leia were supposed to be hidden from Vader, why did Luke end up retaining the Skywalker surname? Maybe "safely anonymous" wasn't good enough for him, or his high and mighty destiny.

Or Padme changed her name, when she left tatoeene (sp) in order to remain safely anonymous.

On Ask The Chief Someone said Vader shouldn't have ghosted after he died and went with Yoda and Ben. He killed the Emperor, and repented. That's his atonment. If this happened on Angel it would be a different story, but this is Star Wars.

Some people gripe about his "death bed repentance" thing, and maybe I would to, but for one thing. I think more important than just turning against the Emperor to save his son was that Vader sacrificed his life to do it. (At least, I'm assuming he died as a result of being zapped on the way over to the Emperor-dumping pit.) Saving Luke wasn't death bed repentance because Vader wouldn't have died in any case. That has to count for something.

What I found interesting was that Palpatine was willing to sacrifice Vader just to get Luke to embrace the Dark Side. In other words,(IMHO) Vader is no longer useful to the Emperor.

Then it's a wonder that Vader didn't make a move on him sooner.

Don't underestimate the power of the Dark Side, Jedi Master.

*Gives the Emperor a hotfoot and runs away, giggling*

At the ending of the "Special Edition" we see many plnaets celebrating the fall of the Empire...one of them is Coruscant (SP?)...can anyone identify the others?

Sorry...planets. I miss spell check.

I believe that they're Bespin, Tatooine, and Endor. (Well, we all already knew the last one)

Bingo.

What surprises me also is that nobody burst into the Throne Room to inform the Emperor that the Death Star shield device was destroyed.

MISSING LINE:

What Han SHOULD HAVE said at the end:

"Leia, could you PLEASE don that gold bikini just ONE MORE TIME?"

John, they probably had orders along the lines of "Do not disturb the Emperor, upon pain of death."

Apparently, "FIRE AT WILL" equals TWO!

TWO SHOTS! That's all that came from DSII.

Why didn't the DSII continue to fire when the Rebel Fleet engaged the Star Destroyers? Wouldn't DSII have some sort of precision firing mechanism so they could fire ONLY on the Rebel ships and not at the Star Destroyers?

It's not so much a question of precision firing as it is a question of the collateral damage from the firing. Our own bombers can precision-drop a nuclear warhead into a specific building, but there's no way to do it without destroying the other buildings surrounding it as well. Keep in mind, the Death Star destroys planets.

Also, remember that the Death Star can only fire in one direction, the massive station takes time to acquire another target, especially a moving one (and the fact that the station's structure wasn't completed probably complicates matters).

Also remember that we only saw the Death Star destroy two Rebel ships, that doesn't mean it didn't destroy more off camera.

But frankly, I'm surprised it managed to hit two.

Also, Lando told the Rebel pilots to fly inside the ImpStar formation.

How come The Emperor did not sense Luke's presence on the Forest Moon of Endor? Vader had to come & tell him that HE (Vader) sensed him.

Why didn't the Emperor take into account that the Ewoks MIGHT pose a threat? Even OUR military takes into account other possible threats from other sources...why not the Empire?

I only saw one...count it...ONE AT-AT on Endor...
If you're going to war, isn't it BEST to have ALL your BEST WEAPONS there on the front? Sure, there were a lot of trees around...but with a few well placed laser shots, the trees become toothpicks!

No wonder the Empire lost!

How come The Emperor did not sense Luke's presence on the Forest Moon of Endor? Vader had to come & tell him that HE (Vader) sensed him.

I agree, that is strange, especially considering that Palpatine was supposed to be stronger than Vader.

Why didn't the Emperor take into account that the Ewoks MIGHT pose a threat? Even OUR military takes into account other possible threats from other sources...why not the Empire?

The Empire is known for having a low attitude towards aliens, and they strike me as having a major superiority complex to begin with. They probably didn't think that a few teddy bears that use bows and arrows wouldn't be much of a threat.

I only saw one...count it...ONE AT-AT on Endor...

Bear in mind that we didn't see the whole moon, therefore there were probably more AT-ATs somewhere. However, when things went nuts around the shield generator, it would make sense for even that one walker to be there!

Even the Emperor comments on the strangeness of Vader sensing Luke, but not himself. It's never really explained. But presumably it has to do with some telepathic bond between close family members (Leia always sensed Luke was her brother, for instance).

Or maybe for the same reason Luke felt the good in Vader that the Emperor could not (the Emperor didn't know Vader would betray him even in the very end).

Or maybe, as Luke said, the Emperor's over-confidence was his weakness. Maybe the Dark Side clouded his perceptions.

As for the AT-ATs... Consider also that the AT-ATs are transport vehicles (All-Terrain Armored Transport), though I think this information is only suggested and not stated in any of the films. Why would the Empire need transport vehicles if they do not need to transport anyone?

They could transport more stormtroopers...thus giving the Empire more manpower.

Firstly, the Emperor already had "an entire legion of [his] best troops" down there. of course, who knows how big a legion actually is.

Secondly, AT-ATs would seem to me to be a clumsy and extremely inefficient way to mobilize troops into your own base. The AT-ATs are better-used to infiltrate enemy territory, doncha' think?

I disagree on the 2nd one because of the reason I stated above. (When at war use your best weapons)

Sure, the AT-ATs are clumsy...but they get the job done. Namely squashing and killing Ewoks!

I think you may be misinterpreting my point...

The AT-ATs are seemingly designed to carry loads of troops, make their way into enemy territory, and release the troops when within that territory. If the territory already belongs to the Empire, the AT-AT is useless as a transport vehicle. I'm sure the Empire has drop ships (like the ones that carry AT-ATs) that could deploy the troops much faster.

Ah! I get it now. Thanks for clarifying that.

I have to say, I love the look that Princess Leia gives the Ewok when she first wakes up. "I am female, you are cute and fuzzy, you pose no threat to me, don't even pretend!"

I too find it ridiculous that the Ewoks worship C3PO as a god but refuse to obey his instructions. My theory is that they are obeying his instructions, and 3PO is taking this welcome opportunity to get even with the other characters for the way they've been insulting him, abusing him, and ordering him around for the last three movies. I don't believe for a minute that the standard build-from-a-kit protocol droid comes with a program specifically designed to prevent impersenation of a deity, and the fact that 3PO says so is a blatant excuse for disobeyiong Han Solo. And if we actually had subtitles for what he was telling those Ewoks, it would probably go something like, "No, don't impale him, he doesn't mean any harm, but I'd take it kindly if you'd truss these guys up and give them a bumpy ride and a good scare. Just so we're all clear on who's in charge here!"

My evidence for this is that during 3PO's story to the Ewoks around the campfire, he does not translate anybody's title. We know he's calling Luke his master and Leia a royal personage, but as far as the Ewoks are concerned, they're "Mastrlook" and "Prinsesleya," just two large hairless bipeds with no special privledges. Maybe the Ewoks don't have a word for princess, but they know what a chief is and they know what a chiefess is and nobody has yet to tell them that C3PO is the property and humble servant of Luke Skywalker!

Also, I'm willing to give Anakin Skywalker the benefit of the doubt and say that we saw him cease speaking, close his eyes, and begin dying, but that the exact moment when his vital signs ceased happened off-camera. His body did vaporize like a good Jedi, and Luke's ceremonially burned not his body (gone to a Better Place) but his armor. My support for this is that on the funeral pyre, whatever is there is dress in full Vader regalia, including full attached mask. And why would Luke replace Anakin's mask after his father's last request had been to remove it?

And lastly, I assume that the ghosts of Anakin, Yoda, and Obi-Wan that we see at the end are manifestations within the force, and Leia doesn't see them because she's not in touch with her inner Jedi.

All of that makes sense to me.

A-ha! Confirmation on theory number two! The Lucas-authorized Smithsonian exhibition "Star Wars: The Magic of Myth" has a plaque that specifically describes Luke as burning his father's armor!

This movie establishes that there is a bounty out on Chewbacca, cause Leia delivers him to Jabba's waiting hands. Well, if there was a bounty on him, how come Boba Fett didn't snatch him up too while they were all in Cloud City?

Didn't he have a big grudge against Han for some reason? He might have just decided to pick his fights.

Remember, Jabba offered 25,000 for Chewbacca (though Leia got 35,000). For 25,000 I think anyone would take the Wookie as well.

Maybe the bounty only came into being between ESB and ROTJ

Maybe Boba Fett didn't have room in his little ship for a carbon-frozen Chewy in addition to a carbon-frozen Han.

I've had a few nit-picks of my own on this movie for years.
1. Lando comes out of hyperspace and is descending towards the Death Star. They realize since they cannot get a reading on the shield that they are being jammed. Then how do they know later that they can launch their assault?
2. Leia is shot in the arm and survives. Yet Stormtroopers cannot survive a shot anywhere on their armor.
Anti-Nit - Why are there shafts leading to the central core? Perhaps to ventilate waste from the central power core and dump waste from overloads.
Anti-Nit - People often comment that the Stormtroopers are out-witted by a bunch of teddy bears. Maybe. Actually, if you watch close enough, the Ewoks only created a distraction to allow the Rebel army to engage the Stormtroopers. Moreover, the Ewoks suffered heavy casualties, and did not really turn the battle around until they comandeered the scout-walker.
Finally, this is not really a nit, but something that should have been changed. In the book, the Emporer orders the Death Star to turn around and destroy the Endor. I wish they would have put that in the movie to add tension.

Anti-Nits:

I guess that Luke can drag Darth Vader to the landing platform without anyone stopping them by using the force to make him unnoticeable. I guess many things about Luke and Darth Vader can be explained by the Force, which works in many ways.

Nitpickers don't deal in reality, but I've heard that the scene when the emperor is killed had to be rewritten, because Mark couldn't lift the emperor over his head, not even with the assistance of a harness and pulleys, so prowse as weightlifter did it.

I thought the emperor commented on Vader sensing Luke that the ways of the Force are mysterious - it is, after all, a mind thing, and not like picking up a radio signal.

About why Luke was hidden so badly: after watching SWII, its now confirmed that Uncle Owen is not Ben's Brother, but Anakins step-brother. (I wonder at what time Lucas thought of that, because most of the novels refer to Owen as Kenobis Brother', and I thought Lucas approved every book). But I've always assumed that Darth Vader didn't know he had children at all, so why look for them. (Esp. if anakin was turning to the dark side and padme left him because of that - but who knows how much inconsistencies Lucas will put into SW III? sigh).

In the book, the Emporer [sic] orders the Death Star to turn around and destroy the Endor [sic]. I wish they would have put that in the movie to add tension.

Great idea. Plus, it would seem to be a suicide ploy, as the resultant explosion might destroy the Death Star and all ships in range that didn't jump into hyperspace in time.

1. Lando comes out of hyperspace and is descending towards the Death Star. They realize since they cannot get a reading on the shield that they are being jammed. Then how do they know later that they can launch their assault? - SaintSteven

Perhaps they noticed the destruction of the facility on the planet surface... or perhaps the jamming originated on the planet surface.


2. Leia is shot in the arm and survives. Yet Stormtroopers cannot survive a shot anywhere on their armor. - SaintSteven

I agree with the ineffectiveness of the stormtrooper armor (hell, they can't even fend off a stick-wielding Ewok)... but remember that Leia was shot in the arm, the stormtroopers were usually dealt more crippling blows (like to the chest). Which of course leads us to a general Star Wars nit: why are the stormtroopers, the crack-squad of the Empire, such bad shots?

Finally, this is not really a nit, but something that should have been changed. In the book, the Emporer orders the Death Star to turn around and destroy the Endor. I wish they would have put that in the movie to add tension.

It is a great idea, but just to set the record straight it's Commander Jerjerrod, the Death Star's head honcho, that orders the destruction of Endor.
He does so just after the fatal blow has been struck to his beloved station, as a final act of revenge on the Rebellion. His moment of decision, as recorded in James Kahn's novelisation, is worth quoting in full here:

He had loved it [the Rebellion] once - it had been the small boy he could bully, the enraged baby animal he could torture. But the boy had grown up now; it knew how to fight back effectively. It had broken it's bonds.
Jerjerrod hated it now.
Yet there seemed to be little he could do at this point. Except, of course, destroy Endor - he could do that. It was a small act, a token really - to incinerate something green and living, gratuitously, meanly, toward no end but that of wanton destruction. A small act, but deliciously satisfying...

Wonderful stuff...but literary, not cinematic. The Emperor is very dead at this point, Darth Vader is dying, the Rebels have won the day, and I suspect that in the end the creators likely (and IMHO correctly) assumed that having a Random Empire Lackey exact personal revenge at the last minute probably wouldn't be worth the extra screentime.

I've just realized that I've never properly understood how Luke's plan to rescue Han from the clutches of Jabba the Hut was originally intended to play out. Let's examine it for a minute:

Phase 1: Lando infiltrates Jabba's palace (how, we're never told...) and masquerades as a guard.
Phase 2: C3PO and R2D2 deliver Luke's good will message, and are given to Jabba as a gift.
Phase 3: Princess Leia shows up in disguise and collects the bounty on Chewbacca, who is himself imprisoned by Jabba.
Phase 4: Leia frees Han from the carbonite and attempts to escape with him, and fails on the second count.
Phase 5: Luke shows up, tries to pull a Jedi mind trick on Jabba, ends up in the Rancor pit, and is eventually captured.
Phase 6: As the lot of them are about to be delivered up to the Sarlac, R2D2 delivers Luke the lightsaber he's been concealing all along. Luke mops up Jabba's entire crew virtually all by himself. Everyone escapes on the skiff as the barge explodes.

OK, that's how it played out, and the objective was perfectly met, but I still don't understand the original plan. Let's ask some questions:

Phase 1: Lando - What exactly does he accomplish in his role? In the end, the only real contribution I see him making in the rescue mission is to get knocked off the skiff and need rescueing himself. What was he intended to accomplish?

Phase 2: C3PO & R2D2 - Did Luke expect the message he sends to have any effect at all? I doubt it, personally. What purpose does having the droids turned over as gifts serve? Two more people to rescue... Why is 3PO left completely in the dark on the specifics, while R2 seems to have the full skinny?

Phase 3: Leia - OK, I see how this part of the plan gets Leia on the inside, leading to Phase 4. Why is that necessary? Lando's already on the inside, somehow. Plus, now Chewbacca has been imprisoned. When and how is he going to be rescued? By Lando? If so, why doesn't he just rescue Han?

Phase 4: Leia again - I assume that Leia did not intend to fail. Maybe she even planned the escape well, and Jabba simply outsmarted her. I don't know. In any case, assuming she were to get Han out, what about Chewy, 3PO, R2, and Lando? They're still in there!

Phase 5: Luke starts off on a roll, what with the choking, and the mind tricks. Of course, it doesn't work with Jabba. Did Luke expect it to work? Probably. Did Luke always intend to show up in person to save everyone? I don't know. Supposedly, Leia wouldn't have needed rescueing, as her role in the rescue was apparently thwarted. And if Luke hadn't given 3PO and R2 over in the first place, they wouldn't need saving.

Phase 6: The R2/lightsaber thing always struck me as Luke's Plan B. If everything went awry, he could still fall back on that. The more I think about it though, I can only really conclude that Luke intended things to turn out exactly as they did. For example, the only logical purpose I see in sending R2D2 as a "gift" is to later get access to a lightsaber which would otherwise be confiscated. So did Luke know what it would come to in the end? If not, the whole thing was just so poorly planned, it makes no sense. Of course, for that assumption to work, one must suppose that Luke never really had any faith in his friends' ability to pull off a rescue, and expected to have to do all the work in the end, and maybe that he just gave them token jobs to make them think they contributed something. I get the impression that R2D2 was actually the only one in on the whole plan.

Heck, maybe everything that happened before the skiff episode was a big red herring to throw Jabba off his guard, and get them in a position where escape was easier? If so, Luke's treatment of his friends as red herrings is pretty insulting. They sure seemed to think they had something of merit to accomplish. But no, here comes the high and mighty Jedi to save everyone. Now they'll appreciate him.

Well, if someone out there has a better explanation, I'd love to hear it.

Phase 1: Lando - What exactly does he accomplish in his role? In the end, the only real contribution I see him making in the rescue mission is to get knocked off the skiff and need rescueing himself. What was he intended to accomplish?

Maybe he was just intended to be backup/an extra fighter? Maybe he managed to get recon intel about Jabba's palace back to Luke somehow? Who knows?

Phase 2: C3PO & R2D2 - Did Luke expect the message he sends to have any effect at all? I doubt it, personally. What purpose does having the droids turned over as gifts serve? Two more people to rescue... Why is 3PO left completely in the dark on the specifics, while R2 seems to have the full skinny?

I'll agree that I never totally understood the point of this myself. As for 3PO being left out of the loop like that, the novel Shadows of the Empire explains that this was meant to make his reaction more convincing to Jabba (though personally I don't see what difference it would have made other than giving him a cheap laugh).

Phase 3: Leia - OK, I see how this part of the plan gets Leia on the inside, leading to Phase 4. Why is that necessary? Lando's already on the inside, somehow. Plus, now Chewbacca has been imprisoned. When and how is he going to be rescued? By Lando? If so, why doesn't he just rescue Han?

Leia's the only one with decent oppourtunity. Chewie's being held prisoner, so he can't get anywhere near Han. Lando conceivably could, but considering what had happened in The Empire Strikes Back, I really doubt Han would have been too happy to see him. As we've seen time and time again, his temper has been known to either blow missions entirely or come really •••• close.

Phase 4: Leia again - I assume that Leia did not intend to fail. Maybe she even planned the escape well, and Jabba simply outsmarted her. I don't know. In any case, assuming she were to get Han out, what about Chewy, 3PO, R2, and Lando? They're still in there!

Maybe Lando was going to spring the others if Leia had succeeded? I don't really know, to be honest.

Phase 5: Luke starts off on a roll, what with the choking, and the mind tricks. Of course, it doesn't work with Jabba. Did Luke expect it to work? Probably. Did Luke always intend to show up in person to save everyone? I don't know. Supposedly, Leia wouldn't have needed rescueing, as her role in the rescue was apparently thwarted. And if Luke hadn't given 3PO and R2 over in the first place, they wouldn't need saving.

Maybe this was part of his Plan B (ie, maybe they had a planned rendezvous time, but since Leia didn't show, Luke would have had to go after her).

As for the whole deal with the lightsabre, I figure that this was probably just part of a huge contingency Luke came up with (jeez, this guy DOES have good foresight!). Still, it might have been a better idea to at least have A weapon on hand in Jabba's palace (something a little more formidable than a stolen blaster that got knocked into the ceiling anyway) -- leaving his lightsabre out of the way like that and hoping you won't need to use the overly-elaborate-escape plan doesn't strike me as sound tactical planning.

Jedi Outcast, I like the point you make about Han not being very pleased to see Lando, and blowing things thereby. It makes sense that Leia would be a better person to free him. Now more than ever I'd like to know how Lando got into Jabba's place, because Leia in disguise might have been able to do the same, and saved some trouble. Maybe.

One more thing I was wondering. Lando seemed to be in disguise himself. I always assumed Jabba would have recognized him otherwise. Now I wonder if Jabba ever knew him at all. I don't suppose that all of Han's old associates necessarily know each other. Hmmm...

I mentioned this in my e-mail to Phil when submitting to become a Guild member (and probably also above), but I seem to recall Jabba addressing Lando by his real name when asking that Lando (or it might have been another guard in the same get-up) bring Han forward to Jabba, shortly after his release from the carbonite. Almost as if Jabba knew it really was Lando beneath the disguise...

I figured that Luke's plan plan was:

Plan A: Leia springs Han and they get together with Lando and get Chewie and esecape quitely in the night. Chewie allowed her to use him as a pawn to get inside Jabba's inner circle knowing that the plan was for them to spring him before they leave.

If anything went wrong with that idea (Like Leia getting captured) Luke would come in for:

Plan B: Luke was going to start a firefight in Jabba's throneroom (remember when he force-grabbed that other guy's blaster before Jabba hit the trap door.) If that trap door wasn't there R2 had Luke's lightsaber (since they probably wouldn't let an armed Jedi into the thronerooom) and Lando presumably had a gun.

Plan C: If anything prevents R2 from launching Luke's saber (like Luke falling into the trap door) R2 was to wait untill Luke gave the signel and Lando was to wait.

Even though Luke was telling Han that he had taken care of everything all he really knew was that R2 had his saber and Lando was on the inside.

It really doesn't matter if Leia planned to succeed in the rescue of Han or not. The point is, we got to see Leia in that ULTRA-HOT GOLD BIKINI! YEOW-ZA!

I've always wondered what happened to the blaster that Luke tried to Force-grab. It flies to his hand and he points a Jabba. One of the Gamorrean guards rushes him and causes him to shoot the blaster upward as the trapdoor opens beneath them. Luke and the pig fall in but the blaster is nowhere in sight. What happened to it?

Oops.

Good questions, Duke. And good answers from many of you. My thoughts:

They go in knowing full well that Jabba won't deal Han back to them. Since they'll have to fight it out, every possible player would be needed on the inside. The actual escape plan would depend on learning the layout of Jabba's palace and security arrangements. This became moot when Jabba decided to take them into the desert.

Lando: The first one into the palace, obtained a position as a guard to gain access to the bulk of the palace and the prison area. Could release any captured players, ie. Chewie and the droids, and gain access to transport. If there was a Plan A, Lando was the brains.

C3P0: Red Herring. Knew nothing. Made Jabba overconfident that Luke was not in Jabba's league.

R2D2: The computer geek. Could jack into any terminal and manipulate security, etc. Also carried Luke's weapon, to be distributed whenever needed. Could also pilot any craft Lando could access.

Chewie: The muscle. He couldn't sneak in, so they brought him in full daylight. Had the fight broken out in the palace, he would have been a helluva fighter.

Leia: Inserted Chewie into the plan, carried major weapons, including grenades, and released Han from carbonite. This was key, they weren't going to get anywhere dragging that big carbonite block around. And they knew Han was going to be a mess when he was released. Chewie was most likely tasked with carrying Han, Leia with calming him down.

Luke: Waited until sunrise to see if Leia could release Han, meet Lando, and effect an escape with Chewie and the droids from within. Luke was probably waiting near the palace with transport and weapons to cover their escape. When they did not emerge, Luke entered to draw attention to himself, and to give the others a chance to begin their escape. Luke's expression upon seeing the droids, Lando, and Leia (YOWZA!!)is a giveaway that he didn't know just how bad the situation was, and that he wasn't going to be able to cover their escape. He chose to stage an attack on Jabba, to have himself caputed and imprisoned with the others, so that the main players could be put together and work out their escape. The ride to the desert put the plan on hold until Luke could deterine where his pals would be during the executions.

Then he became the Terminator/Robin Hood/Tarzan and opened up a can of Jedi-Whoop-*ss on Jabba's boys.

It'll be interesting (to say the least) to see how & why Palpatine got so mutilated over the years. In episode 2, he looks rather healthy. In this movie, he's all wrinkly & deformed.

(I read somewhere that it was his devotion to the Dark Side that sapped his health.)

He does look quite older in II compared to I (then again, a decade's gone by)

At the start, when Threepio and Artoo approach Jabba's stronghold, Threepio mentions that Chewbacca and Lando never returned from there. Lando I can understand, but Chewbacca doesn't appear to arrive at the stronghold until Leia brings him in later.

When the Death Star explosion is seen from Endor's surface, Artoo looks and acts fine. That's odd; he was shot up pretty good a few minutes ago.

All the droids seem to know is that Chewbacca went away and hasn't come back. They probably think (or may have been told) that he was headed to Jabba's.

Something I just found on the Internet Movie Database -- apparently there's a stormtrooper crowd surfing during the SE ending on Coruscant! Has anyone else seen this?

Yeah, although I always assumed he was being assaulted by the crowd--and you can actually hear him screaming if you listen closely enough.

I have read at scifi.com that the rumor is that Sebastian Shaw (Anakin) will be replaced at the end with Hayden Christensen in age makeup. This would be very very bad, in my opinion. Shaw is a great actor, and the scene between him and Luke is one of the most powerful of the series. To replace him with Christensen would completely destroy it.

Just watched it again, still my favorite of the five (ducks behind rock.)
Anyway, 3-PO says "I'm afraid our instructions are to deliver it to Jabba himself" and Bib is like "ok, this way" !!!! 8O
If this is how he does buisness I'm surprised Jabba has lived so long. Whats to stop someone from putting a thermal detonator or some kind of nuke in a droid and sending him in with the same instructions????

Weren't the droids scanned before the door opened or in the corridor itself? (IIRC it says so in the novel at least. You might ask why the lightsaber in R2 wasn't detected, but it wasn't activated, so I guess it looked like another complicated piece of electronics.)

I thought about that but have two problems with that excuse
A) R2 had Luke's lightsaber. If they scanned him they would have seen it, realized its not standard equipment on an R2, and confiscated it
B) Leia got thru with a thermal detonator.

In the documentary film STRIPPER, one of the dancers equates her breast implants with the special effects in Star Wars, "Everyone knows they're fake, but they win awards". This reminded also that Star Wars has its own (PG) version of dancing girls: the green dancing girl in RETURN OF THE JEDI. I can imagine that life must have been very unpleasant for that young woman. Just think of all the unruly alien customers who might try to grope and harass her. Tentacles, slimy tongues (inclucing Jabba's), and on and on. The Star Wars universe isn't as progressive as ours.

Just look at the afore-mentioned outfit that's an accident waiting to happen (and it did...).

A) R2 had Luke's lightsaber. If they scanned him they would have seen it, realized its not standard equipment on an R2, and confiscated it

That would mean the scanning "software" not only recognizes bombs, but also obsolete inactive weapons like lightsabers, or knows what belongs/doesn't belong in droids, instead of simply scanning for active bombs.

B) Leia got thru with a thermal detonator.

But Leia was posing as bounty Hunter - you wouldn't dare to ask them to put their weapons away when entering Jabbas palace!

Otherwise they might put them somewhere very unpleasant.

I believe that in one of the X-Wing novels, the jedi pilot's lightsaber is scanned as a hydrospanner.

Otherwise they might put them somewhere very unpleasant.

Where, the back of a Volkswagen??

(sorry, but in honour of the biggest SW fan in films it seemed appropriate with a setup like that)

In the DVD version at the end of the film, we see a young version of Anakin Skywalker next to Yoda and Obi-Won.

At the beginning of the film we see Vader's Imperial Shuttle departing a REGULAR Star Destroyer. What happened to the Super Star Destroyer that we saw in "Empire Strikes Back"? Was is broken? Granted we do see it later in the movie, but Vader was already on the Death Star by then.

Also, WHY did Vader go to the Emperor personally to tell about Luke? Wouldn't a Holographic message work just as well?

It was probably busy doing something else. Vader's not the captian of any ship, he just uses whatever ship is avalable and in the area that he needs to do whatever he is doing.

*Then when they land everyone is using hand signs to make sure nobody hears them. Not a bad idea, but then 3PO starts talking VERY LOUDLY. Did they just forget to tell him to keep it down?

Also, why take a golden droid with them on this mission? They didn't even bother to paint it with camouflage, although all the troops wear jungle uniforms...

*I've also got to wonder how much R2 will be able to roll around in a very rough terrain like on Endor.

Yeah, I thought R2 was a pretty bad choice for the Endor mission, too. Even though he plays an important part with his code-cracking abilities, one has to wonder if the entire Rebel alliance doesn't have a smaller version that a trooper could carry on the back? (In the novels, the commandos have code "splicers" = hackers with them.) Besides, somebody should've told not only C3PO to shut up, but also R2 to stop beeping...

I really wonder about the incompetence or poor planning of the rebel troup on Endor. When they come to the scouts, Luke says they don't have time to walk around them. Realistacally, how long would a detour have taken? He makes it sounds as if it's several days, when 2 hours would already be quite a distance (and less noisy). Then, while Luke and Leia have fun with the speeder bikes (I still find the speed with which they zip through the trees unbelievable for human reflexes - but at least it's a consistent nit, since Anakin's piloting in TPM is also impossible, but explained with the force.), the whole troop waits for them to return. I thought they were in a hurry? (And did Luke use his force powers to run back at an accelerated rate? The distance the bikes covered would've meant a couple of hours on foot!)

Then, Luke and Han - with R2, who's needed to crack the code, and Han, who's supposed to be in command as General - leave the troops and tell them they'll meet at 0300, or 3 am (which would be dark) at the bunker.

After they're captured by the Ewoks, they have enough time to spend the whole night with them partying, build all these traps, and still show up in time at the bunker...

*After Luke dispatches the last speeder bike with his lightsaber he heads back to Han and the others. My question (and I ask this having been lost in the forest more then once) is how does he know which way it is back to the others? He's been turned and tossed so much I find it hard to believe his bearings haven't been thrown off.

I wondered about that, too. But with Luke, you can always explain things with the force, I guess - he felt where the others were...

I don't understand how R2 would be able to search for Leia with his sensors. Unless he'd planted a bug on her previously, which would be a bit stupid for a commando team, she's just a living being ... in a forest full of them. Even if R2 can scan for humans, how can he distinguish Leia from the other humans? (She's the only female on the moon, because the Empire is chauvinistic, and the commando doesn't have women, either?)

*When the Ewok (Wicket I think his name was) finds Leia she is asleep. Is this really a good time for a nap? She can't have been unconscious because nobody I have ever heard of being in that condition was awakened by being poked with a spear.

I haven't tried waking unconcious people with a spear , but giving that she fell from the speeder bike and hit her head, she may be slightly unconcious.

Looking again at the palace rescue of Han, I noticed that in R2s message, Luke appears very humble (and Bib Fortuna says - in english, for some reason - to Jabba that if he wants to trade instead of fight, he's no real Jedi.

Then Leia's attempt fails (I still don't see how Jabba learned of it, or woke up half his court in time to hide behind the curtain for the surprise - it's not like Leia would've told somebody; and when she sneaks around, it looks believably like the end of a long party, when everybody is dead drunk asleep).

Next, Luke shows up, chokes the guards, uses a mind trick on Bib, and orders Jabba to release Han. No more trading, just threats towards Jabba that he'll die. (Did Luke see this in a vision? That would explain a lot of this convoluted plan. But when he has visions on Dagobah in ESB, Yoda - who's really, really good with the force! - tells him it's hard to know what's real; that the future is always moving; that it's difficult to tell future, present and past apart ... So how did Luke know the events he saw in his vision would come true exactly this way?)

In the novel, it's explained that Luke is glad for an excuse to get rid of Jabba, who's "bandit scum".

About the Imperial guards, who don't come when Vader kills the Emperor: when Vader brings Luke in, the Emperor orders his guards to leave them. Obviously, he told them before that he didn't want to be disturbed regardless, since he already wanted a fight between Vader and Luke ("there can only be one" - one Sith student, in this case); it just turned into a different fight, but how could the guards outside know that?

costanze: and Bib Fortuna says - in english, for some reason - to Jabba that if he wants to trade instead of fight, he's no real Jedi.
Is that what he says? Cool. All I've been able to make out is "He's no Jedi."

costanze: Next, Luke shows up, chokes the guards, uses a mind trick on Bib, and orders Jabba to release Han. No more trading, just threats towards Jabba that he'll die. (Did Luke see this in a vision? That would explain a lot of this convoluted plan. But when he has visions on Dagobah in ESB, Yoda - who's really, really good with the force! - tells him it's hard to know what's real; that the future is always moving; that it's difficult to tell future, present and past apart ... So how did Luke know the events he saw in his vision would come true exactly this way?)
I always assumed that Luke knew that Jabba would never accept a deal. It was just a way to get the droids, notably Artoo, into Jabba's. Or maybe Lando was somehow communicating Jabba's reaction to the deal to Luke.

costanze: About the Imperial guards, who don't come when Vader kills the Emperor: when Vader brings Luke in, the Emperor orders his guards to leave them. Obviously, he told them before that he didn't want to be disturbed regardless, since he already wanted a fight between Vader and Luke ("there can only be one" - one Sith student, in this case); it just turned into a different fight, but how could the guards outside know that?
What makes you think he told the guards his plans?

Not necessarily his plans. I meant that the emperor expected a fight with a lot of noises and said
possible scenario: to the guards "when I tell you to leave, I don't want to be disturbed, no matter what noises you hear, or what messages arrive, understand?"
Guards: "Yes, Sire"...
later on, guard 1 to guard 2 "Was that the emperor who called for help? Maybe we should take a look if everything is alright?"
2nd guard "Are you mad? He said not to disturb him, and he's the Emperor! There's nothing he can't handle! Do you want to be killed for disobeying orders?"
1st guard: "Nah. You're right."

... a messenger comes running up: "The rebels have come through, the reactor is exploding, everybody evacuate!"
1st guard to 2nd guard: "Think we should go in now and rescue him?"
2nd guard: "Nah. If he didn't call us, it's too late anyway. Let's get rid of those bright uniforms and save our own lives."

Is that what he says? Cool. All I've been able to make out is "He's no Jedi." - Josh M

It sounds like "Master bargain as well light? He's no Jedi!"

This has probably been mentioned before, but later on when the subtitles say "He's using an old Jedi mind trick" Jabba seems to slip into English himself, saying "He's doin' an old Jedi mind trick!"

"Bargain rather than fight? He is no Jedi."

I find it odd that the fighters and Alliance ships didn't pound the Death Star near those big open, uncompleted, sections of the station, which would be much closer to the power core. Concentrated fire might have accomplished something, sort of like the Enterprise-E and the fleet locating the weak spot of the Borg cube in First Contact and just ripping it to pieces in one sport.
I remember watching Entertainment Tonight in 1983 and watching as a movie-goer came out and said how much he hated the show because there were too many muppets and robots and not enough people. Watching it again, I have to agree that the Tatooine/Jabba scenes are too Muppety for me these days, even though at the time I was just happy to have a third Star Wars movie to watch.
I've always wondered why the Ewoks didn't worship Chewbacca instead of C3PO? he's a giant version of them, while C3PO is totally unlike them. I guess it was all that shiney gold metal that made all the difference.

C3P0 looked like the Oscar statue....the Ewoks figured that's as close as they'll get to seeing an Oscar....much less getting one!

A few explanations:

THE ROTATING DEATH STAR: perhaps it is the Emperor's throne tower that rotates, not the Death Star.

THE SUPER STAR DESTROYER CRASH: it had a backup command center, but was pulled in by the massive Death Star's gravity before crews could get to it.

THE INFAMOUS ROPE SWING OFF JABBA'S SAIL BARGE: Perhaps Luke was using the Force to levitate the rope so that it didn't need to be attached to anything? It's a stretch, I know. He could have just used to the Force levitate himself and Leia.

And now a few nits:
-When Luke gets shot in the hand, his arm is extended straight over his head. Not only is there no reason for him to do this, but its also bad sword fighting technique.

-During the sarlacc battle, Jabba's crony seems insistent on blasting the skiff so that Chewie, Han, and Lando fall into the sarlacc pit. Why not just shoot them instead of the skiff? Pure sadism?

-Jedi padawans take years to train, but Luke goes and trains with Yoda for a few days on Dagobah and suddenly, "No more training do you require"?

-When Han is unfrozen, where does that light come from? Has he suddenly become luminescent?

-Moreover, Han's arms were bound when he was frozen, and in the seen in TESB, you clearly see his head jerk up as the freezing process begins. He is not in the same position here.

-Han hears a growl in his prison cell, and automatically assumes its "Chewie?"?

-How does a blind, recently-unfrozen Han know that Lando is a friend again? Last they met, Lando had turned them over to Vader. I suppose Luke could have told him, but there didn't seem much opportunity for that conversation.

-There seem to be only four fighters per "wing" for the rebels at the battle of Endor, i.e. 4 X-wings, 4 A-wings, etc. Maybe this is due to 1983 FX limitations...

-Disappointing to see they didn't get rid of the lightsaber shadows during the final duel for the DVD release.

-"Send three squads to help!" Three squads don't seem like much.

-When Han blows up the shield generator, he runs about thirty feet and dives into the bushes. The only problem is, the resulting explosion is *HUGE*, as in, several hundred feet at least. Even if he went through the back door, he and his comrades should have been burnt to a crisp.

-Han hears a growl in his prison cell, and automatically assumes its "Chewie?"?

Han has been working with Chewie for years, and even understands the Wookie language, perhaps he can pick up on subtle things that we can not in Wookie voices.

-Jedi padawans take years to train, but Luke goes and trains with Yoda for a few days on Dagobah and suddenly, "No more training do you require"?

I always was bothered a bit by this, too. But OTOH, we're never shown or told how much time has passed between Luke traveling from Hoth to Dagobah, training with Yoda and leaving for Bespin (one timeframe) and what happened to Han and Leia (second timeframe).

-When Han is unfrozen, where does that light come from? Has he suddenly become luminescent?

I thought that's just how the de-freezing part of the box-machine Han was in worked?

-During the sarlacc battle, Jabba's crony seems insistent on blasting the skiff so that Chewie, Han, and Lando fall into the sarlacc pit. Why not just shoot them instead of the skiff? Pure sadism?

Or bad aim - they're just shooting in the general direction?

-Han hears a growl in his prison cell, and automatically assumes its "Chewie?"?

We don't know what Chewie says - maybe one growl is enough to say "Han, my best friend, you're alive" in Wookie? And Han is a bit uncertain - but how many Wookies would he expect in a cell in Jabbas palace who know his name?

-How does a blind, recently-unfrozen Han know that Lando is a friend again? Last they met, Lando had turned them over to Vader. I suppose Luke could have told him, but there didn't seem much opportunity for that conversation.

During the ride out to the Sarlacc pit, and earlier in the cell, there probably was enough time to tell Han. We see Chewie start to tell Han there's a plan, when he scoffs at Luke being too young. Besides, once Han is dangling above the Sarlacc pit, he grabs the chance that Lando maybe a friend as better chance of surviving. And as gambler, Han would understand (partly at least) that Lando made a deal in Bespin, sacrificing Han for the rest.

How does a blind, recently-unfrozen Han know that Lando is a friend again? Last they met, Lando had turned them over to Vader. I suppose Luke could have told him, but there didn't seem much opportunity for that conversation.
Luke does tell Han out loud on the skiff to "stick close to Chewie and Lando". At least, I think that he does.

When Han is unfrozen, where does that light come from? Has he suddenly become luminescent?

As was said previously, I too thought that this was part of the thawing process, but there's a problem: wouldn't whatever is generating a light that bright be hot enough to fry Han to a crisp?

Just to play Sith's advocate, in SW technology, couldn't ther be a laser evaporator or something that produces light without heat?

My understanding of physics is limited, but I don't think it's possible -- at all -- to have light with that kind of intensity without a significant amount of heat.

Sure it is. Heat is *waste* and inefficiency.

Fluorescent tubes give off the same amount of light as incandescent bulbs without as much heat -- it's a more efficient reaction.

"My understanding of physics is limited, but I don't think it's possible..."-Jedi Outcast

I'm sorry- I'm a bit confused. Are you answering my post, or describing half the technology in the Star Wars universe? ;-)

Zarm, Scott is pointing out that even in today's fluorescent tubes can generate a lot of light without putting out much heat.

But it seems as though the carbonite is melting and releasing light - or that whatever is dissolving the carbonite is releasing light. That suggests intense heat, which, like Jedi Outcast noted, should fry Han.

Also, the carbonite glows red when Leia first starts the thawing process, suggesting intense heat. The only explanation I can think of for Han not being burned is that he was "frozen" in carbonite, perhaps being akin to being cryogenically frozen, and thus the heat would not be as damaging.

Not necessarly. Yes, it could be releasing light as it melts, but the reaction could be only mildly exothermic.

...Also, the carbonite glows red when Leia first starts the thawing process, suggesting intense heat...

The colour of a pure flame indicates temperature, but we don't know if it's a pure flame; metals or other materials that are burning can change flame colour.

After all, we don't know how this "carbon freezing" works at all. Obviously it's different from todays cryogenics, since there's no need to pour cold stuff in to keep him frozen. Maybe the carbon part means that a layer of stuff is formed around Han - which is then "burned" away - and underneath, Han is frozen/in suspended animation, and the heat from the burning also thaws him out at the same time?

"Zarm, Scott is pointing out that even in today's fluorescent tubes can generate a lot of light without putting out much heat."-Brian Fitzegerald.

Uh, yeah. That was actually a joke... you know, seeing as I was actually responding to Jedi Outcast, anyway...


On a serious note, could the could the carbonite have a photo-sensitive material for it's inner shell, some kind of molecular structure that breaks down (and presumeably breaks down the outer layer as well) upon exposure to a certain type of light? Or radiation (non-harmful to humans) of which the light is simply a bi-product? Or some kind of heat-resistant 'gel' or energy field is around the frozen object, so that the heat is like a shaped charge- it only radiates outwards?

Remember, as I was suggesting to Jedi Outcast- the Star Wars materials are sort of out of our range of physics... we don't have to be constrained by how things work in our universe (we couldn't really have Star Wars if we did!) :-)

Did Palpatine grow tired of Vader?

It appears he did.

He wishes to aid Vader in his quest to turn Luke to the Dark Side....thereby eliminating Vader and making Luke the new lord of the Sith (Palpatine's apprentice)

Also...Palpatine seems REALLY ANNOYED that Vader came back to the Death Star to inform him of Luke's arrival.

Finally, Palpatine says to Luke, "And now...fulfill your destiny and take your father's place at my side!"

If I were Vader, I WOULD NOT BE HAPPY! He served the Emperor for roughly 20 years and now he's out of a job!?! No wonder Vader threw Palpatine down the chasm!

I don't think Vader expected a quiet retirement home once his best years were over...

It's part of being evil: you don't have compassion, and don't expect compassion, loyalty or anything else. Everything is seen on a usefulness-scale, and both knew that if Luke managed to beat Vader, then Vader was no longer useful.

Likewise, if Vader plus Luke managed to kill Palpatine, he'd have outlived his usefulness.

Fairness and compassion are for the weak, from this "Nietzschean/Ayn Rand" POV.

Did Palpatine grow tired of Vader? It appears he did. - JAL
Nonsense! Look at the history. While we're not sure how long Darth Maul apprenticed to Palpatine, Maul died after his second encounter with the Jedi. Count Dooku did slightly better, apparently hanging in for the 10 years between Ep I and Ep II, plus the 3 years from Ep II to Ep III before he was sold out by Palpatine. But Darth Vader lasted more than 20 years at Palpatine's side.

But, as was said earlier, there would be no gold watch and pension for Vader. Just an ugly death. Although I have to wonder, given the climactic battle of Ep III, why Palpatine didn't use a lightsaber to defend himself against Vader at the end of Ep VI.

Because Vader snuck up on him.

Snuck up on him?? C'mon, Vader can't sneak up on anybody, he hisses when he breathes.

Palpatine is a Sith Lord, and he doesn't sense Vader's inner conflict? He doesn't realize that Vader is plotting to kill him? Maybe the electricity jams his Force reception. It's not like microwaving Luke is terribly taxing on the old man...

Besides, Vader holds Palpatine over his head for several seconds before tossing him into the shaft. Surely this was enough time for the old codger to realize that Vader's armor was proof against his Force-lightning and switch to the lightsaber.

Here's a nagging question: What would've happened if Luke killed Vader WITHOUT using his hatred?

(Both Ben & Yoda said, "You must confront Vader")

Obi-Juan: Snuck up on him?? C'mon, Vader can't sneak up on anybody, he hisses when he breathes.
I have a feeling Vader can be stealthy when he wants to be. He does a pretty good job of sneaking up on Luke toward the end of the Cloud City fight.

Obi-Juan: Besides, Vader holds Palpatine over his head for several seconds before tossing him into the shaft. Surely this was enough time for the old codger to realize that Vader's armor was proof against his Force-lightning and switch to the lightsaber.
I think at that point, Palpatine may have thought of himself to be so powerful that he didn't even need a lightsaber.

I always figured that when Vader grabbed Palpatine, for whatever reason Palpatine was powerless against him. I don't know if lifting him up during the lightning process somehow feeds it back against Palpatine or what, but he appears to be in pain after Vader grabs him.

John A. Lang: Here's a nagging question: What would've happened if Luke killed Vader WITHOUT using his hatred?
He didn't kill Vader, though. He overcame it. If he had, he probably would have fallen to the Dark Side. Had Vader not brought up Leia, it's possible Luke wouldn't have even killed Vader. Perhaps the fight would have continued until the Death Star was destroyed, or Vader may have ended up killing Luke.

I think what John was getting at, though, was what if Luke had managed to kill Vader just in the heat of a fight (like say, getting a lucky shot at his head)?

Vader's supposed "redemption" has always sort of bothered me. He killed uncountable Jedi and innocents and helped maintain terror in the civilized galaxy, and simply saving his son and killing his master swings him all the way to the Light Side again? I know we're supposed to assume his heart motivation is purely good at the time of his death, but that's a pretty big leap. The more I see of SW, the more I support the the Potentium view of the Force, where there truly isn't a Dark/Evil or Light/Good side, it's all what you do with the Force.

John A. Lang: Here's a nagging question: What would've happened if Luke killed Vader WITHOUT using his hatred?
He didn't kill Vader, though. He overcame it. If he had, he probably would have fallen to the Dark Side. Had Vader not brought up Leia, it's possible Luke wouldn't have even killed Vader. Perhaps the fight would have continued until the Death Star was destroyed, or Vader may have ended up killing Luke. - Josh M
It would seem that the Jedi, or at least the younger Jedi, allow some hatred to flow into them when fighting in order to gain strength:
- Obi-Wan does this in TPM. While he appears to be good in a fight, Darth Maul was in the zone until he skewered Qui Gon Jinn. Once Obi-Wan was set off, he was the stronger of the two.
- Anakin does this twice in AOTC, once when he faces the Sand People, and again where he gets electrocuted for his trouble before calming himself, which results in him losing his arm. Again in ROTS, Dooku's goading about releasing his anger gives Anakin the strength to defeat Dooku.
- Luke does this at the end of ROTJ. While it's clear from the early part of the duel that Luke's strength in the Force rivals Vader's, he allows his anger to drive him to the point where he has Vader beaten, then manages to calm himself. Largely due to Palpatine's "encouragement". Had Palpatine kept his mouth closed for another few seconds...

But I agree with Josh in that Luke had hoped to convince Vader to turn away from the Dark Side. Having failed to convince him while on Endor, Luke was just stalling for time so that the rebel attack could commence and the Death Star could be destroyed, wiping out Palpatine and Vader. This is why Luke seems so shaken when Palpatine goads that he knows all about the rebels on Endor and the attack of the rebel fleet. Luke is on the spot, and he make an attempt at killing Palpatine with his lightsaber.

I think what John was getting at, though, was what if Luke had managed to kill Vader just in the heat of a fight (like say, getting a lucky shot at his head)? - Jedi Outcast
Had this happened, Palpatine would have offered Luke Vader's role at Palpatine's side. Luke would have had to make a choice, and if he chose to decline, Palpatine would have electrocuted Luke to death. And had he chosen to go to Palpatine's side, they would have fled together when Lando and Wedge toasted the reactor.

A few NANJAOs as I watched this film for the umpteenth time last weekend. Special Edition Widescreen DVD edition:

As Artoo plays Luke's message to Jabba, the hologram of Luke has his lightsaber hooked to his belt on his right hip. His hair and tunic are correct, so the film itself wasn't flipped. This is the only time in the films he carries his weapon on his right side.

As "bounty hunter" Leia negotiates Chewbacca's bounty with Jabba, Boba Fett stands near the wall with his left hand on the grip of his blaster rifle, and his short cape is draped over his right shoulder. As Leia shows the thermal detonator, Fett quickly brings his rifle up with his left hand on the grip and his right hand on the stock in a left-handed shooting position. Later, when Fett fights Luke on the skiff over the Sarlaac pit, his cape is hooked to his left shoulder, and he fires his blaster rifle with his right hand on the grip and his left hand on the stock. Perhaps he's equally proficient at firing with either hand, but I'd tend to believe that Fett would use the rifle in one dominant hand, and free his other hand for the other weapons he carries.

As Luke jumps from the skiff to Jabba's sail barge, we can see his lightsaber hooked to his sash on his left hip. But as he prepares to grab Leia and swing from the barge to the skiff, he has his lightsaber tucked into the middle of his sash. I guess he didn't want to make the swing uncomfortable for Leia.

On Tattooine and Dagobah, Luke parted his hair over his right ear. Before flying to Endor, he parted his hair a bit off-center by his left ear, just like Han. Jedi vanity?

After being declared members of the Ewok tribe, Han has to ask Threepio to try to get get their weapons back. But as we watch Luke speak to Leia before leaving to confront Vader, Luke already has his lightsaber with him.

As the Alliance fleet prepares for the hyperspace jump, we can see about a dozen fighters at the head of the fleet. Later, when they arrive at the Death Star, the number climbs to about 20 fighters. Not a very large attack force for what they are planning to do.

When the Alliance fleet arrives at the Death Star, about 50 TIE fighters and Interceptors engage the Alliance ships from the direction of the Imperial fleet. The Imperials seem to be holding back- there are about 50 Imperial Star Destroyers nearby. If each Destroyer carried 20 fighters, and sent 10 to battle the Rebels, this would have been 500 fighters. And that's not counting the fighters on the Death Star itself. We saw a massive number of TIEs that were flying around when Palpatine arrived at the station.

Lando orders the fighters to draw the TIE fighters away from the Alliance fleet. The very next scene is an exterior shot of the Falcon- looping around and flying directly toward an Alliance vessel.

And I found 1 definite nit:
As Han tells Lando to take the Falcon for the upcoming battle, the X-wing in the matte painting behind Lando shifts positions. When the camera angle has both Lando and Han in the frame, we can see the X-wing's laser cannons extending toward Han. When the angle shows Lando alone, the X-wing's fuselage is pointed toward Lando's right. We shouldn't be able to see the laser cannons pointed toward Han in the wider angle.

NANJAO:

During the celebration on all the planets, the one on coruscant shows us the tearing down of the statue of the emperor, but I didn't notice until my little brother pointed out that the crowd is bouncing up and down a stormtrooper.

A possible nit:

In the rancor pit, doesn't luke still have that blaster? One would think he could use that... of course, there's always that force thing which could have gotten him out of there too...

Well, its not quite a nit, maybe even in character, but still worth noting. When Leia is knocked down at the entrance to the sheild generator, Han moves he to the alcove and props her up, in the process he COPS A FEEL. That's in character, if you really think he's a scoundrel, but you can see Carrie Fisher starting to smirk... which is a little suspect.

This may have been clarified, but I always assumed that he realized he shouldn't be pushing Leia right where she got hit with a blaster. Therefore, he wasn't "feeling" Leia, just trying to push her back without pushing on the wound and there wasn't a lot of ways to do that...

of course, maybe Han is just that sort of person...

Probably a mistake/practical joke on Harrison Ford's part.

(sssh! We don't deal in reality ;)

No, the wikipedians don't deal in reality, Nitcentral on the other hand does. We just choose to deal in a reality suited for ourselves...

Now onto reality...

The rebel fleet includes the rebel transports seen in episode 5, but I can't understand why...

How is cargo supposed to help in creating that perimeter...

Well, the Millennium Falcon is a cargo ship, and it acquits itself rather well in battle.

As the Alliance fleet prepares for the hyperspace jump, we can see about a dozen fighters at the head of the fleet. Later, when they arrive at the Death Star, the number climbs to about 20 fighters. Not a very large attack force for what they are planning to do.

It may be that the lead fighters during the hyperspace jump are part of a combat patrol always present around the fleet, and once the jump was complete, the cruisers would start launching their full complements of fighters. Being carried along in the cruisers during the jump would conserve fuel for most of the squadrons, and many more than 20 Rebel fighters were involved in the battle.

The rebel fleet includes the rebel transports seen in episode 5, but I can't understand why...

Well, the Medium Transports were in fact armed, and were often used to carry troops and supplies, but the most applicable use during the Battle of Endor I can imagine would be to carry fuel for smaller ships. It's true that they do seem a little out of the way in the battle, though.

During the celebration on all the planets, the one on coruscant shows us the tearing down of the statue of the emperor... - Torque
You were there?!?! Awesome!! ;)

>Well, the Millennium Falcon is a cargo ship, and it acquits itself rather well in battle.>

Desmond- you may have hit the nail on the head, with that comment.

The Millennium Falcon has been much modified, I think George Lucas has likened it to a space going hot rod (shades of American Graffiti).

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Extremely modified, when you consider that Lando Clarissian & Han Solo were it's last 2 owners, & what their line of businesses are...

I'm assuming that the Alliance would also modify their ships, though not to the extent of the Falcon owners.

One book suggests the X-wings were racing ships adapted into fighting vessels.

One book suggests the X-wings were racing ships adapted into fighting vessels.

No, the X-Wings were designed to be space superiority fighters, and were by the specs no faster than a standard TIE Fighter. If any Rebel fighter was inspired by a racing ship, it would be the A-Wing, their fastest fighter craft.

Yeah, Lucas should have kept a tighter rein on the continuity of the expanded universe; the games say the X-Wings were designed to be fighters, the books...

Bloody carelessness.

Where did you read that?

So the ROTJ re-release which has two discs does contain the original theatrical version? In the ep 4 board, people are saying that they don't contain the original yet, according to the back of the DVD case, it is the theatrical along with the ehanced... I'm so confused...

2 discs. One has the enhanced version, the other has the 1977 theatrical version.

Or 1983, in this case. :P

ooh yeah! I dig that ewok ending in the second disc!

Wow. None of those nits are really nits. I am extremely proud that ROTJ has stood up to twenty years of scrutiny with nary a problem.

Anyway, as regarding the discussion of Luke and Vader;

The Emperor was perfectly happy going along with Vader till the end of time, until Luke showed up. Luke is *more powerful* than Vader. The Emperor wanted him beause of this, obviously. So really, everything was going just perfectly for Palpy right up until Luke denied the Emperor's offer. As luke said, overconfidence is Palpy's weakness. He barely considered the fact that Luke would refuse him, and he certainly did not entertain the slightest thought of the possibility of Vader turning--he overestimated the dark side's hold upon Anakin Skywalker.

So Palpy gets screwed obviously. And Vader turns to the LS for obvious reasons, chief among them: Luke is a tie to Padme, whom he so dearly loved; he could not kill Luke, as had been shown, so clearly he would not let Palpy kill him; his faith in the dark side was destroyed when Luke resisted it and proclaimed himself a Jedi; if he let Luke die, his plans for overcoming Palpatine would be gone forever.

Now for those of you wanting to shout "Luke isn't more powerful than Vader, Anakin is the chosen one!", it is true that Anakin Skywalker, and then, for a short time, Darth Vader, had the potential to become the most powerful being ever. But after his defeat at the hands of Obi-Wan and his loss of many organs and limbs, his ability to use the force diminished. He was still stronger than almost everyone, but Luke is not everyone.

Even then, only Vader could kill the Emperor, as was his choice at many times (when he first learns Palpatine is a Sith, later w/ Mace, etc.) and now finally he fulfills his destiny by doing just that.

"2 discs. One has the enhanced version, the other has the 1977 theatrical version."

The complaint is that the other disc is NOT the 1977 version, but a 1993 laserdisc edition, that is not even translated to DVD quality.

As for the green lightsaber thing... come on, that is pathetic. No one heard Vader say "I see you have constructed a new lightsaber"? Get real people.

And the X-Wings were military craft from the start. Incom T-65 models to be exact. Originally designed by Incom Corporation but the plans were stolen by Rebel defectors. Eventually the X-Wings become designated XJ3, XJ7, etc., and a certain version called Stealth-X is produced for Jedi.

The A-Wing was not based upon a racing vehicle either. They were developed, I believe, although my memory is hazy here, to help combat the speed advantage over X-Wings that Tie Interceptors hold.

Sorry for the double post but I heard someone mention the Potentium:

The potentium is stupid, not true to Star Wars, and completely ridiculous in every way. THE WHOLE POINT of Star Wars is that there are very real absolute differences between good and evil. There IS a Dark Side and a Light Side, and there are inherently good and evil acts.

The charm of the Star Wars story lies in the moral absolutes it offers, and the possibility of redemption which it upholds. Yes, Vader did unspeakable things, but he redeems himself.

Maybe this has already been posted, but...

Why didn't the Empire clear-cut the forest and kill all the Ewoks? All they seem to do is cause trouble. Why not surround the very important shield generator with big guns and such?

While clear-cutting the forest would have provided the Imps with a better field of fire, it also would have provided room for the Rebels to land an assault force. Perhaps the Imps thought it better to keep the forest intact around the shield generator. I seriously doubt they thought of the Ewoks as a threat.

I assume that there were anti-aircraft guns of some type around the shield generator. Otherwise the Rebels would have run a quick airstrike against the generator and blown it to bits, then commenced their attack on the Death Star.

Would those be the same anti-aircraft guns that were shooting past the Rebels in EP:IV?

In Episode IV, Dodonna did specify that the Death Stars defenses were designed to fight large ships. That's why they looked for a weakness that could be exploited by a one-man fighter to begin with, and presumably why the turbolasers on the Death Star couldn't hit the Rebel ships. If Empire had some decent point-defense weaponry on Endor then an attack with fighters should have been repulsed. Of course, we didn't see any decent point-defense weaponry on Endor. . .

This is probably mentioned somewhere already but I didn't find it doing a search, and I only skimmed this board which is getting pretty big btw. In the SE, during the celebration at the end, besides Endor we also get to see Cloud City, Mos Eisely, Naboo, and Coruscant. Two things: why would there be a party at Mos Eisely when the Empire didn't run the place, and on Coruscant we could see the Jedi Temple in the background, even though Palpy had it destroyed following ep III? Also, why would there be a so many people celebrating on Coruscant when the destruction of the Death Star, and the death of the Emperor, doesn't necessarily mean the end of the Empire? Surely the regional governors or somebody left in the command structure would take over.

For the most part, IMO, the added/changed scenes in RotJ were a waste of time. I liked the music at Jabba's Palace and at the end on Endor much better in the original version; plus I didn't like that Sebastian Shaw was yanked as a force spirit and Hayden was allowed to do it.

There was a lot of smoke coming out of the jedi temple in EP:III, but it was never destroyed. I know some books have stated that it was destroyed, but the movies take precedence. Plus, I doubt that Lucas would have allowed the shot to be put in if he didn't want it there.

As for the parties around the galaxy, I agree with you. The empire would have either survived under the rule of the emperor's cronies or it would have descended into anarchy. I suppose its possible that the emperor was so bad that even his subordinates were happy to see him gone and permitted the celebrations, or that the Republic was quickly restored. EPS 4-6 depict pretty much the entire command structure below Darth Vader & the Emperor (and Tarkin, I suppose) as more fearful than power-hungry. Could it be that, once the dark side "energies" were gone, everything went back to the way it was?

"[W]hy would there be a party at Mos Eisely when the Empire didn't run the place[?]"

Didn't they? The stormtroopers in Ep Iv sure seemed comfortable wandering around Tatooine without worrying that there was another government that would object to their operations. They also had a dewback, which to me has always suggested a local garrison (granted, Vader's Star Destroyer could have had a dewback as part of its troops' equipment, but. . .that just seems odd).

You're right David, the movies do take precedence, but unlike Star Trek, Star Wars novelizations are canon and in the extended universe the temple was torn down.

There is no government on Tatoonie TWS (that is what you used to post as isn't it?), the Hutts control the whole planet I believe and it's likely the Empire had business with them. The stormtroopers in ANH simply set up a checkpoint at Mos Eisley and had informants around the city.

I know the novels are canon. I've even read some, and I've found that they frequently contradict themselves on minor details such as this. Perhaps the temple was torn down after EP:VI?

Well, I could've sworn I read that the temple was destroyed and a Sith shrine or something was built in its place but I don't recall where and here's what starwars.com says:

When the Empire came to power, the Jedi Temple was scoured of its inhabitants... Once the Temple was pacified, Palpatine raided its vast archives, stealing away with a horde of precious Jedi lore... The Jedi Temple still stood during his regime, but it was an empty husk of its former glory and a stark reminder of the consequences of rebellion against the Empire.

With so much information within the SW universe there would almost have to be contridictions, which I am aware of to a small degree, but dang it I thought I struck gold noticing that. Oh well, I doubt however that it was torn down after RotJ.

Guardian: I've even read some, and I've found that they frequently contradict themselves on minor details such as this.
To further prove your point about the fate of the Jedi Temple, here is what starwars.com says about Coruscant in the EU section:

When the Empire came to power, Imperial agents worked tirelessly to wipe away vestiges of the Old Republic. During the height of the Galactic Civil War, the planet was renamed Imperial Center. The Jedi Temple was no more.

That certainly doesn't mean the Temple was destroyed/torn down but some may interpret it that way. Is there a moderator for the SW boards? I ask because many of them are quite long and they all still require a password, not that I mind using my password.

According to the main page, Thomas Garrison is the moderator. I've suggested that he archive the movie pages.

Maybe they turned the Jedi Temple into the world's biggest drive-thru (or fly-thru, as the case may be), with fast food restaurants in each of those spires.