SWV: The Empire Strikes Back (Part II)

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By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 4:49 am:

Statistically speaking, this movie ranks #1 among the fans.


By David (Guardian) on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 9:28 am:

It's also the only one that Lucas neither wrote nor directed.


By Brian FitzGerald on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 1:08 pm:

Lucas has aways been a better idea man than a dialog writer or director of actors.


By David (Guardian) on Sunday, October 07, 2007 - 10:09 pm:

Exactly. As I write this, I'm watching Episode 3 and listening to the Rifftrax. Its the only way I watch the prequels anymore.


By Influx on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 8:35 am:

Of the prequels, I think Episode 3 is the one least requiring a Rifftrax (well, except for that one scene at the end). I just listened to my first (for ST:V) and plan to get the rest for movies I will be rewatching. I know they do some "good" movies as well.


By Polls Voice on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 6:41 pm:

What are the rifftrax and where can they be found?


By Merat on Wednesday, October 10, 2007 - 10:56 pm:

www.rifftrax.com They are Mike Nelson (from MST3K) and several others riffing the movie like on MST3K. He is frequently joined by Kevin Murphy (Tom Servo) and Bill Corbett (Crow). They are small audio files that you purchase and play at the same time as the movie. They are very very funny.


By LUIGI NOVI (Lnovi) on Monday, March 10, 2008 - 12:03 pm:

LOL!! Luke's lost letters to Leia from Dagobah.


By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Monday, March 10, 2008 - 3:48 pm:

Those letters are a riot.


By Broken Aero (Brokenaero) on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 8:03 am:

I just watched this movie again over the weekend. I know Vader was just setting a trap for Luke, but there were a couple of things that I sadly never noticed before. I always caught Han's line about them not asking him any questions, but I always assumed that they just tortured him because Vader is evil. It just occurred to me on this last viewing that Vader knew Luke would sense Han's pain. I know that sad that I didn't catch it before, but it has been a long time since I've seen this movie. Also, my dad made the observation that Luke didn't do much good coming to Bespin. By the time he arrived, Han was already frozen, and Lando's escape plan was already in action. Granted, they might not have escaped as easily without R2, but all Luke did was get his hand cut off. In retrospect, it almost seems like he should have just stayed on Dagobah and finished his training. He might have been even better of a jedi when RoTJ came around.


By Cyber (Cybermortis) on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 8:47 am:

*Warning - if for some reason you have not seen all of the films the following will contain spoilers*

Having now seen the prequels I find Luke running off to try and save his friends to be a disturbing echo of how his father tended to act.

Basically Anakin's fall to the darkside was prompted by his desire to act, and an inability to realise that maybe by acting he would only make things worse. When it came down to it, Anakin only seems to have fully trusted himself to deal with difficult situations.

Luke's actions here are not that dissimilar to his fathers. He feels the need to act, and never considered that his friends might be capable of dealing with the situation without his help and he might just make things worse. Like his father Luke doesn't seem to trust anyone but himself to 'save the day' here.
Unlike Anakin however Luke gets taught a painful, but valuable lesson - his rescue attempt ends up putting his friends in greater danger when they have to turn around to rescue him. (It seems doubtful that the Executor would have been in a position to block the Falcon's escape before Luke's X-wing was detected and landed. After all the ship would have needed to remain out of sight when Luke turned up).

The effects of this lesson on Luke, and what will make him different to Anakin, is that after this he clearly realises that for all the power he may have. The most valuable asset he has is not the force but his friends.
In Attack of the Clones Anakin goes to rescue both his mother and later Obi-Wan on his own (Padme not withstanding). In ROTJ Luke works closely with his friends to rescue Han right from the start - each of them has a role to play, and Luke trusts them to be able those roles without his intervention. Even later, he is confident enough to step aside and realise that Han and Leia can take down the shield generator without his help - something Anakin is unlikely to have done.
Luke's desire to save Vader alone could on the face of it be considered a throw-back to his old habit of not trusting anyone else to sort things out. But then again it can and could be argued that he really was the only person who could do this. No one else on Endor had the connection with Vader Luke did apart from the untrained Leia - and taking her along would have been a disaster anyway. He was also the only one who could have fought either Vader of Palatine if things came down to that.
It could even be argued that his decision was also based on the not unreasonable idea that he would act to distract both Vader and Palatine during the attack on the station. Even taking into account that he was not aware that the whole situation was a trap, he did act to distract the Sith so that their contribution to the battle once it had started was limited to barking orders.

I find this comparison interesting, and given that there is some 20 years or so between the films quite remarkable that it fits together so well.


By Andrew Gilbertson (Zarm_rkeeg) on Tuesday, June 16, 2009 - 11:48 am:

Wow. That's... profound, man!


By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Thursday, December 31, 2009 - 9:45 am:

After watching Family Guy's "Something, Something, Something Dark Side" I discovered it makes a valid point...

In "Empire Strikes Back", Yoda says, "Only a fully trained Jedi can face Vader" (or something like that)

In Family Guy, Chris (Luke) says, "Then why don't YOU fight him?"

After hearing that line, I thought..."YEAH, Yoda! Why don't you?"


By Benn (Benn) on Tuesday, September 06, 2011 - 4:46 pm:

Deleted scene from Empire Strikes Back.


By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Saturday, October 01, 2016 - 5:50 pm:

At the end, Lando tells Luke that they will try and find Han & Jabba. Luke tells him that they will rendezvous at Tattooine.

Er....I thought Jabba lived on Tattooine...and Luke should know that seeing he's lived there most of his life.


By Judi Jeffreys (Rubyandgarnet) on Friday, February 08, 2019 - 1:32 am:

When Vader chokes Ozzel, we imagine ourselves choking some smug ‘holier-than-thou’ person we know in our lives.


By Jeff Winters (Jeff1980) on Thursday, January 14, 2021 - 7:00 pm:

Is this article a good explanation
https://www.yahoo.com/lifestyle/star-wars-finally-resolved-major-140500290.html of The Empire Strikes Back plothole


By R W F Worsley (Notanit) on Tuesday, August 24, 2021 - 3:16 pm:

By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Saturday, October 01, 2016 - 5:50 pm:

At the end, Lando tells Luke that they will try and find Han & Jabba. Luke tells him that they will rendezvous at Tattooine.

Er....I thought Jabba lived on Tattooine...and Luke should know that seeing he's lived there most of his life.


They need to find out exactly WHERE on Tattooine Jabba is keeping Han!


By Natalie RD QL (Rdnat) on Wednesday, August 25, 2021 - 1:01 am:

Yeah a whole planet should be pretty big…


By JD (Jdominguez) on Sunday, August 29, 2021 - 2:41 pm:

Then again, Jabba does have a palace and is likely well-known world-wide, the quintessential big slug in a small pond. I doubt it took them long to find him.


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