SWVIII: The Last Jedi

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: Star Wars: SWVIII: The Last Jedi
Opening Thursday, December 14, 2017.
By Chris (Terik) on Friday, December 15, 2017 - 7:16 am:

I was actually surprised. It didn't go the way I thought.

It had suspense, humor, great fight scenes. The one big explosion was chilling.

It might be a nit from the last movie carried over into this one: I wonder how Phasma escaped the trash compactor on Starkiller base in time.

Considering that Rogue One didn't have a opening crawl, I think it would have been funny if this crawl only read: Luke Skywalker has been found! And then start the movie.


By JD (Jdominguez) on Sunday, December 17, 2017 - 12:51 pm:

Oh man, I was hoping there'd be more talk about this.

But The Last Jedi was incredible, and made a lot of changes to ensure Star Wars will grow and survive.


By Chris (Terik) on Monday, December 18, 2017 - 10:31 am:

Maybe there is not a lot of talk yet because it is so new and not that many nits.
I do wonder why DJ was in the cell if he could leave at any time.
Both sides had heavy losses at the end of TFA, so I'm unsure why First Order would be so dominant.
Why did everyone want to find Luke if he didn't want to get involved?
I appreciate that the good main characters had a plan but messed it up and a lot a people died as a result.
The timing of events is suspect. Rey just got rescued but then she just goes back.
I was confused if Kylo and Snoke were on the same ship or a close ship as Hux. Need to see the movie again.


By ScottN (Scottn) on Monday, December 18, 2017 - 11:37 am:

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Why did everyone want to find Luke if he didn't want to get involved?
Because they didn't know that.

Great Moment: Luke brushing the dirt off of his shoulder.


By Chris (Terik) on Wednesday, December 20, 2017 - 12:43 pm:

More spoilers...








I think Luke being in hiding is a clue that he didn't want to get involved.
I remember the First Order wanted to find Luke first so he didn't help the Resistance and return the Jedi. But there was no guarantee he would want to or that he could. It was Kylo gaining power in the Dark Side that awakened the Force in Rey.

Luke should have told Rey that she was too old to begin the training.

Luke thought the Jedi should end. He almost started fire but Yoda did, which indicated his approval. But then at the end Luke admitted he is not the last Jedi.


By Chris (Terik) on Friday, December 22, 2017 - 7:44 pm:

Been watching some YouTube videos. Some think this movie is the worst thing to happen to SW. I really liked the show but I admit they have good points: How did DJ know about the cloaked ships? Finn didn't know how to pilot a ship in TFA, but now he does. Rose crashing into Finn in order to save him was risky since they both could have died in the crash or by the First Order.


By ScottN (Scottn) on Tuesday, December 26, 2017 - 2:34 pm:

DJ didn't know they were cloaked, but he knew they were fueling up transports -- Poe radioed that to Finn and Rose.

The rest was just logical deduction


By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Wednesday, December 27, 2017 - 5:30 pm:

What I liked:


SPOILERS:

Poe's time-killing delay during the opening battle.

Leia using the Force to pull herself back into her crippled ship.

Luke brushing himself off after being pummeled with laser fire...even though it was only a "Force Projection"

Luke saying, "That's pretty much nowhere" to Rey after she told Luke she was from Jakku.

R2D2 playing back Leia's message from "A New Hope" to Luke...with him saying, "That was a dirty trick" (or something like that)

Ren's hesitation to destroy Leia's command center.

The Hyperspace ramming of the First Order's ship during the final battle.


By AWhite (Inblackestnight) on Tuesday, January 02, 2018 - 6:11 pm:

I have mixed feelings about this movie, but overall I thought it mostly enjoyable, when considered on its own. Fitting into the greater SW saga is another story though in my mind. Anywho, on to the nits!

Terik: It might be a nit from the last movie carried over into this one: I wonder how Phasma escaped the trash compactor on Starkiller base in time.
This was covered in a short comic-arc: she just crawled out and killed anyone who figured out that she shut down the shields. Kind of a waste for a character who went nowhere IMO.

I was confused if Kylo and Snoke were on the same ship or a close ship as Hux. Need to see the movie again.
You may have already figured this out, but yes, they were on the same ship.

As Terik pointed out, Finn broke Poe out of custody in TFA because he needed a pilot to escape, yet here he seems quite capable in both a starship and speeder.

One has to wonder why a kamikaze run in hyperspace hasn't happened before? There must've been other dire situations for the underdogs to consider using this tactic.

Cloaking technology or not, there are still windows on all these starships! The stolen ship from Canto Bight(?) I'll give a pass to, nobody was watching for it, but someone should've still seen the several small transports leaving the Resistance flagship, especially since everyone on the bridge was watching them both on scanners and visually.

Before the hyperspace kamikaze, almost everyone on the First Order flagship was gathered around to witness Finn and Rose's execution. After they were hit there was nobody around them, and we see Phasma walking toward them casually with a few troopers. Where did they all go in those few seconds? The hangar bay, or where ever they were, didn't seem too bad off; otherwise Finn and Rose would've been effected as well.

Rey has had to learn some self-defense tactics to survive alone on Jakku for all these years. However, this doesn't translate into taking on multiple, highly trained royal guards with a lightsaber. Not to mention that at this point, she's probably had about as much Force training as Luke did in ANH from Kenobi. While I can't say I fully agree with the label of Mary Sue that's been thrown around since TFA, her unprecedented use of the Force and combat skills with unfamiliar weapons doesn't help her case much.


By Chris (Terik) on Wednesday, March 28, 2018 - 8:12 am:

I bought The Last Jedi from Target. It is the multi-screen edition which comes with the movie on blu-ray, a bonus disc, and a code to play it on other devices. Target also offers an exclusive that comes with a small book but that was sold out. I also have the novel by Jason Fry that I got at Barnes & Noble.

I am one of those fans who will watch any live-action Star Wars movie. I can nit-pick as well as enjoy it at the same time. However I admit I only saw the movie once in a theater.

I heard that BB-8 is the character that said "I have a bad feeling about this". But since he only beeps the audience didn't understand him. If correct then it probably happened at the beginning when Poe replied that he should have happy beeps. Leia chimed in that she agreed with the droid.

In the book, Rose taught Finn how to fly on the way to Canto Bight. The book is very close to the movie but has some extra chapters--parts of which can be seen in the deleted scenes.

Much had been said/written about Holdo not telling Poe about the plan. There were other people that had tried to escape, and if they did they could have been captured by the First Order. Also once Poe knew the plan he told it to Finn and BJ overheard. I guess Poe wanted Finn to know where to go after his mission. Even if Poe didn't know about BJ, he should know that Kylo could get information from most anyone.
BTW: a cloaked SW ship is not the same as a cloaked Trek ship. It is more like a stealth jet: you can see it with the naked eye but it doesn't show on scanner.

Someone pointed out that when Poe began the mutiny that he should have ensured that Holdo didn't have access to a gun.

I didn't have a problem with Holdo's hair. Maybe it was part of her culture or her position. Maybe people from her planet have different colored hair.

When Luke vanished I didn't see his robot arm fall. Maybe his robe covered it.


By Chris (Terik) on Thursday, March 29, 2018 - 4:09 pm:

Additional:

I didn't mind that Rey's parents were nobody.
However Kylo said that they were buried.
So what was the deal with her vision of seeing a ship fly away when she was young?


By ScottN (Scottn) on Friday, March 30, 2018 - 9:37 am:

Perhaps... [GASP] ... Kylo lied to Rey!


By Josh M (Joshm) on Monday, July 02, 2018 - 9:38 pm:

The movie's on Netflix now! Finally rewatched it for the first time in a few months. So, nit time!

Did Poe launch the opening attack with all of the Resistance's fighters and bombers without Leia's knowledge or consent? How did he pull that one off? I could see why the fighters might already be deployed for the evacuation, but it seems like launching the bombers would raise some red flags.

Easy nit: Differences between end of TFA and the beginning of TLJ. It was cloudy in TFA and it's sunny in TLJ. And Rey holds the saber pointed toward Luke at the end of TFA, but perpendicular in TLJ.

NANJAO: At first I thought it was a nit that the fleet conveniently jumped within a few hours sublight travel of an old Rebel base. But it actually makes sense in a brilliant way that the Resistance brass would set up rendezvous points up all over the galaxy that are near safe havens but not necessarily right in orbit. It's a nice fallback in an emergency if Resistance ships can only make limited jumps and need a place to go.

Internet crowdsourced nit: Finn's bag jumps into the pod as he's speaking to Rose.

Why does the medical frigate not have autopilot? Then again, I suppose it could have been damaged and inoperable.

Rose and Finn got really lucky (and ultimately very unlucky) that they happened to be imprisoned with another master codebreaker.

Those books must be really dull if Luke spent years on that island with very little to do and still never read them.

Internet crowdsourced nit: The Praetorian Guard's Spectacular Disappearing Knife! Inconvenient for the guard, but helpful for Rey!

Phasma had a sidearm on her. Why didn't she just shoot Finn? Finn must have that effect, since the nit also applies to "TRAITOR!" guy in the last film.

For whatever reason, Leia didn't order the blast door closed until the last dramatic second. Which means her dwindling Resistance forces not only took starfighter fire (which looks like it took out a couple of people), but also were put in danger by the crashing, possibly hostile shuttle.

It's a shame the Rebellion never bothered to map the caverns when they had the base there. Maybe they were in the process when they had to evacuate.

Good thing Poe was smart enough to realize that Luke was giving everyone a chance to escape since Luke didn't bother to tell anyone.

Also a shame that Leia apparently never learned Dagobah 101, "Lifting Rocks". Though maybe that many rocks is covered in Dagobah 201.


By Josh M (Joshm) on Monday, July 02, 2018 - 9:51 pm:


quote:

Terik: Luke thought the Jedi should end. He almost started fire but Yoda did, which indicated his approval. But then at the end Luke admitted he is not the last Jedi.




I think Yoda knew the books were no longer in there. And while he initially seems to agree with Luke that it's time for the Jedi to end, the rest of his talk is trying to snap Luke out of it. Seems like that's finally what got Luke out of his malaise and accepting the fight would go on carried by Rey and other.


quote:

Terik: BTW: a cloaked SW ship is not the same as a cloaked Trek ship. It is more like a stealth jet: you can see it with the naked eye but it doesn't show on scanner.




I believe that's how it used to be in Legends. The Clone Wars, though, established that cloaking devices do indeed hide the ship visually.


By Josh M (Joshm) on Monday, July 02, 2018 - 10:07 pm:


quote:

Josh M: Easy nit: Differences between end of TFA and the beginning of TLJ. It was cloudy in TFA and it's sunny in TLJ. And Rey holds the saber pointed toward Luke at the end of TFA, but perpendicular in TLJ.




I should note that this nit was first mentioned by Luigi Novi on the TFA thread, who pointed it out when they released the first production teaser for TLJ.


By Josh M (Joshm) on Tuesday, July 03, 2018 - 3:02 pm:

Another thing I was wrong about, as Twitter user @jacbondontcare's wonderful editing shows here, Rey holds the saber up, then walks up to Luke, and holds it to him again so that he can actually take it. So, I guess Rey was just being dramatic the first time she held the saber up.


By AWhite (Inblackestnight) on Wednesday, October 03, 2018 - 3:08 pm:

Don't recall who, sorry, but since someone has been providing links to Red Letter Media reviews, here's the one for TLJ.

While it has the usual type of humor, which I personally enjoy but not everyone will, this review pointed out several things that didn't occur to me. Worth the hour-long runtime IMHO.


By s (9oregons) on Thursday, August 26, 2021 - 8:51 pm:

Near the end, just as Finn is about to dive at the cannon, we see a brief shot of some creatures, they look like rabbits, and it looks like they're inside of something. What are they, and why are we seeing them? What do they have to do with this?


By JD (Jdominguez) on Thursday, August 26, 2021 - 11:13 pm:

I'm guessing you mean the crystal creatures deep inside the cave the base is set in.


By s (9oregons) on Friday, August 27, 2021 - 6:44 pm:

Thanks; but I looked at several articles on Wookiepedia, and I didn't find any reference to them. What's your source of information?


By JD (Jdominguez) on Friday, August 27, 2021 - 11:36 pm:

I'm assuming you mean these? https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Vulptex


By s (9oregons) on Saturday, August 28, 2021 - 7:56 pm:

I'm sorry I didn't look hard enough. Thanks.


By Jeff Winters (Jeff1980) on Wednesday, November 01, 2023 - 12:42 pm:

Fun Fact , the
MPAA# for The Last Jedi is
51222 , but seriously
The Last Jedi was a great movie


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