LICC3 Discussion 1 "I can't help it, it's so beautiful..."

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By JD (Jdominguez) on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 7:30 pm:

Hello


By Rude LICC Fan, forgetting to wipe his feet on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 7:34 pm:

Sees the mud track that he left

Whoops. Sorry.


By Brian Webber on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 7:44 pm:

Hey JD, sorry bout the yelling thing, but the chapters weren't there last time I looked, then I looked again and there they were. Heh. Well, I'll have a lot of explaining to do to the Chief.


By Brian Webber on Monday, December 03, 2001 - 10:12 pm:

I need to apologize again. That last post should've gone into Zen Forward.


By Padawan Observer on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 12:47 am:

Congratulations on becoming the moderator! You have always been a passive dominating presence, it's good that you actually have real power now. :)


By Cranky Old Geezer on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 4:44 am:

LICC 2, LICC 3, razzen frazzen mumble grumble, why in my day we just had LICC, no bloody 2s or 3s. We all know that we should be posting on LICC LXXXVI right now, but someone decided to be cute with the titles.
First it was The Final Chapter instead of XXXI, then it was LICC2 I instead of XXXII, now it's going to be LICC 3 I.

Why in my day we had to surf 30 miles uphill, both ways, on a snowy internet connection just to see LICC and we were glad of it!

But you young'uns gotta have your LICC2s & 3s & 4s. Everytime you get confused figuring out those durn Roman numerals.

hmmmph!

BTW congratulations on becoming Moderator, JD.

razzen frazzen mumble grumble


By Crotchety Older K-NIT TV-47 Viewer on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 9:19 am:

Hey! Get off of my lawn! And stop stealing my lines while you're at it, too!

Why, back in the day...


By Kira Sharp on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 9:36 am:

Mmmmmm.... ahhhhhhhh.... love that new-board smell!

Anyway, congratulations, Mr. Moderator! showers Jake-o with confetti and chocolate-hazlenut truffles

Question-- once you're done with the *real* setup, can you put a link to the Archives somewhere? And is there any way we can clean up "The Jedi's Sink" and move Round 2 to this section?


By JD on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 12:57 pm:

Thanks Kira! Mm, I love these truffles.

I'll certainly put up the link, as for the earlier stuff, I'll email CCabe about it and we'll work it out.


By JD (Jdominguez) on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 1:00 pm:

All right everyone, it's open. Come on in, enjoy yourselves.

A note on the opening sequence. If you have the song, by all means PLAY IT while you read the sequence. I daresay it greatly enhances the experience. I hope you enjoy the sequence, it's something I've been cooking up for a little while now. (If only I could create it in real life.)

And if you don't have the song, rush right out and buy Queen's Greatest Hits immediately! I don't think you'll be disappointed. (There, now the RIAA won't come after me.)

Oh, and the lyrics are copyright Freddie Mercury, 1977.


By Mr Meaningless Milestone on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 1:26 pm:

Hey, exactly a year ago today Brian Webber made his first post on LICC2!


By Josh M on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 3:56 pm:

Or download it off of Morpheus or Kazaa or something. That's what I did.


By Kira Sharp on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 4:25 pm:

Thanks, Jake! Minor stylistic suggestion... external links on the bottom of the page? Whaddaya think?


By Brian Webber on Tuesday, December 04, 2001 - 4:56 pm:

Believe it or not, I actually DIDN'T make that meaningless milestone post. I didn't even remember what my first day was!


By KAM on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 4:09 am:

Jake, nice board.

Frist, on the front page you write, "Hope you enjoy it, and keep in LICCin'!" I believe you mean on, not in.

Second, put your name & email address on the front page, so people can contact you.

Third, you might want to put a link to the LICC Archives on the front page as well. And perhaps a small explanation of what LICC is & how it started for any newcomers. (I suppose the same could be done for Archangel as well.)

Love the fact that Zen Forward is the name of the Sink. It took forever for anyone but me to use the name in the story. Glad it finally caught on.


By KAM on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 4:12 am:

Webber, if you were to check the email address of Mr. Meaningless Milestone, you would know who posted it.


By JD (Jdominguez) on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 1:00 pm:

Fixed your first and second nits, KAM.

As for the third, I don't think the Archive link needs to be on the very front page, since that's just a directory to the various cybersoaps, putting it on the LICC page should be enough.

As for the explanation, I'll write a little something to put up and see if Webber will do the same for Archangel.

Oh, KAM, BTW do you want to keep TKOS, Jack Mightee, etc or let them reside here? I'm fine either way.


By Brian Webber on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 1:02 pm:

JD, don't worry. Just tell me what you ned and I'll send it.

So, Padawan wrote the Meaningless Milestone. Intriguing(sp?).


By Brian Webber on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 2:13 pm:

Clever touch not putting Kiehart in the credit sequence JD, since I haven't decided when kiehart is going to come back from his 'obligation', although I KNOW it won't be in Chapter 1. Maybe I'll re-introduce him in Chapter 2, like I did with Gryemoran back in LICC2. Tell me, was this clever little device done on purpose?


By Brian Webber on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 2:15 pm:

••••! How the hell did I miss the 'bring it on' thing? I was looking at the Chorus part! Man I've been having a serious brain fart these past few days haven't I/ Of course having a bank empty your account due to "inusfficent funds" would •••• up anybody.


By Kira Sharp on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 2:16 pm:

But Kiehardt *is* in the credit sequence, or he was, last time I checked. Isn't that him waving his gun and making a "bring-it-on" gesture?

Personally, I think he belongs there.


By Kira Sharp on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 2:17 pm:

Jinx!


By 6 year old on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 2:22 pm:

Ooh, now yoo is Kiwa's slave and you must do evweything she sez!


By Brian Webber on Wednesday, December 05, 2001 - 2:25 pm:

Sorry, 6 year old but I already have a girlfriend.

*JOKE*


By KAM on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 3:28 am:

That's a 2-part question, JD.

1. If BF wants TKOS & Jack Mightee here, that's his choice. I'm fine with it either way.

2. Since we don't have any overlapping jurisdictions I don't see any way for any boards in The Kitchen Sink to be moved to L.I.C.C. unless Phil does it.
(And I see the same problem with moving the LICC2 boards here from Star Wars as you & Ccabe don't have any overlapping jurisdictions.)

And since we're complaining about characters not appearing in the title sequence, I have about 900 charatcers who would like to complain.


By KAM on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 5:14 am:

Whoops! Always check the email message before clicking post.

Mr. Obvious' email address was supposed to read, Okay, so he didn't become Science Officer until after LICC I does that mean that he can't man the console?


By Kira Sharp on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 12:01 pm:

What-the-flock?????????

Okay, the current plotline... *Really* good idea, *really* confusing exposition. I had to read that post, like, three times before I could figure out what was going on. I am going to re-state the whole thing now to see if I've gotten it right.

1. Phantom Returns Universe Closes. LICC 1 Universe opens. Conctrary to popular opinion, the denizens of the LICC Universe are duplicates of the Phantom Returns people, not the exact same physical entities.

2. The original Phantom Returns Physicalities are supposedly dispersed, but due to the confusing nature of Reality at the time (new universes, mirror universes, perpendicular universes, etc.) this does not exactly happen as scheduled.

3. The original Phantom Returns Physicalities, instead of being dispersed, are merely kicked over to the LICC 3 universe, which seems to have had some unresolved threads of unreality left from the transition from LICC 2. (Who knows, this may have something to do with the confliction rumors on what happened to the hosts from the last LICC 2 adventure.)

4. The original Phantom Returns Physicalities make trouble for their otheruniversely counterparts. That is the current plotline.

Is that correct, KAM?


By Kira Sharp, back for more on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 12:12 pm:

KAM? Can I talk with you about some of the minor consequences of this really cool plot?

1. The originals are all supposedly delusional and violent.
2. The originals are all scheduled to die in about two weeks. Not disappear, not be dispersed, not "Ascend to Club Limbo," but die.

Considering that these "originals" are merely our characters, as we played them two years ago, don't these two items violate Cybersoap rules of authorial self-determination?

What if some of us don't want to play our "originals" as violent psychos? As for death, it opens up an even bigger can of worms... The possibility of Frangelica dying is one I don't want to touch right now, and, come to think of it, both Tacoman and Furby are certifably immortal and can't die.

Please don't think I'm trying to ruin your beautifully crafted story, I'm just a bit uncomfortable with the things that the original Frangelica is scheduled to be doing. Especially the original Frangelica, who was a relative pacifist.


By ScottN on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 12:23 pm:

I'm just a bit uncomfortable with the things that the original Frangelica is scheduled to be doing

Uh, who's determining these "Plotline" things? I thought we hashed this out already?


By Padawan Observer on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 12:55 pm:

Yeah. I thought so too. Can't we just run with things like we used to? Although, maybe this is a special case.


By Kira Sharp on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 4:59 pm:


Quote:

The stand-ins have a limited lifespan [...] it won't keep the Stand-ins from dying. [...] The Stand-ins believe they are the originals and that the originals are copies and anyone who tries to tell the Stand-ins the truth is part of the plot. Since the Stand-ins can't accept the truth they may become violent and try to harm anyone who shatters their self-delusion.




Thus KAM. Now if I make my Captain Frangelica anything other than violent, delusional, and mortal, I will be directly contradicting KAM, which I loathe to do in the name of plot continuity. That was my point.


By MTM on Thursday, December 06, 2001 - 5:16 pm:

So, how will we end LICC3? have the crew get into a group hug and sing "It's a Long Way To Tiperare(sp?)?"


By Nawdle on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 12:49 am:

Hey all. I'm going to skip posting in this whole LICC stand-in storyline. But I will be reading it. You can just assume Jadlad's either at the LICC HQ or visiting the "Coalition of Incredibly Great Amazing Dudes".


By KAM on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 3:05 am:

Kira - *really* confusing exposition. I had to read that post, like, three times before I could figure out what was going on.
Sorry, I tried to make it clear.

1. Phantom Returns Universe Closes.
No, the League members and some other Phantom Returns characters moved to the LICC Universe when it was created. Phantom Returns didn't close until the boards were deleted.

Conctrary to popular opinion, the denizens of the LICC Universe are duplicates of the Phantom Returns people, not the exact same physical entities.
Most of them, yes. The (then) nameless red, blue & yellowshirts stayed in PR & new ones were created for the LICC Universe (LU).
I wasn't certain of some characters so I didn't list them (like Settergen Snow, the President of Earth, or Darth Pah Armus). I assume that they exist in both PR & LU (unless their authors decide different.)

2. The original Phantom Returns Physicalities are supposedly dispersed,
No, the LU Stand-ins were dispersed so the LICC from PR could take their place.

but due to the confusing nature of Reality at the time (new universes, mirror universes, perpendicular universes, etc.) this does not exactly happen as scheduled.
It did happen, but when the LU had it's reality problems near the end of LICC2 the Stand-ins were recreated accidentally.

3. The original Phantom Returns Physicalities,
ARE the LICC.

are merely kicked over to the LICC 3 universe
I think of the LU as one universe that has had 2 reality disruptions, but has been the same Universe from board I to the current board.

4. The original Phantom Returns Physicalities make trouble for their other universely counterparts. That is the current plotline.
No. (Boy, I didn't think I explained it that badly.)

1. The LICC is formed in PR. Problems with the Silly Posters cause The Queue to create a new universe for LICC to have adventures in. The LICC from PR moves to the LU.
2. The new universe needs people & places to occupy all the empty space, so copies of people are created for LU.
3. The LU needs a past, preferably one that corresponds to the memories of the LICC & the copied people. For the people created in the LU, their lifespans are merely extended backwards to conception. Those members of LICC who weren't created for the LU caused a problem, as they had pasts that extended outside the LU. So Stand-ins were created to relive their lives & adventures in the past.
If Frangelica went back to September 22, 2999, in the LU, & met herself, she would actually be meeting her LICC Stand-in.
4. One minute before the LU is created, the Stand-ins die/disappear/are dispearsed/are recycled (Whatever term you like) to make room for the 'real' LICC from Phantom Returns.

1. The originals are all supposedly delusional and violent.
Taquitoboy definitely.
Again you mean the Stand-ins, not the originals.
As for delusional, well, they believe they are the LICC instead of copies that were created to reenact the LICC's PR adventures in the LU past.
I think that on some level they know what they are and that they are not supposed to be around at this point. Also their Will to Live won't let them just sit around and wait to die.

Mainly I tried to introduce a sense of danger that wouldn't exist if they were just copies.

Not every character will necesarily become violent, just that they might have a problem being told that they are not 'really' who they think they are and that they only have a week or two to live. (What are the five stages of grief? Denial, Anger, Bargaining, something, Acceptance?)

2. The originals are all scheduled to die in about two weeks. Not disappear, not be dispersed, not "Ascend to Club Limbo," but die.
Die was just a word. Maybe they will disappear, or be dispersed, Hell, maybe they'll even be reborn. Die was simply the way the Timelord described it.

Mainly I didn't want to run the risk of a bunch a duplicates running around. (I have enough problems with duplicates of you-know-who.;-)

Now if I make my Captain Frangelica anything other than violent, delusional, and mortal, I will be directly contradicting KAM
No, you will be contradicting the Timelord, but they are not infallible.
Hopefully my above explanation will give you room to manuever in a way that is consistant with your view of Frangelica.

Sorry for dropping such a big bombshell. :(

If it's too much trouble just have Q drop in, snap his fingers and end the d@mn mistake.


By Kira Sharp on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 7:43 am:

Ohhhhhhhhhhh. OK. My bad. Don't beat yourself up-- it's still a good plotline! And as long as I'm allowed to contradict the Timelords, life is good.

And as far as I know, there's only one Lord Voldemort.


By JD on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 9:54 am:

Ok, yes, I just breached the "discussion about the story goes on the discussion board" rule, but back then, we talked about the story on the story board! So I'm just going along like I, 2 years ago, suddenly found myself in this weird storyline.

Plus, I think I really like this one.


By The Observer on Friday, December 07, 2001 - 6:45 pm:

Well well well...a new board. Rather nice indeed.

I suppose I should be glad I do not have a counterpart on the Spidermobile One.


By KAM on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 2:41 am:

I'm sorry I made you all suffer through my little tirade. When I do this in real life I'm usually considerate enough to leave the room when people are present and I have to remember to not post when upset or angry. I'm sorry.
I'll try to keep my mouth shut, see what other posters come up with on this storyline, and maybe post something more in line with whatever direction it takes.
Again, I'm sorry.


By KAM on Sunday, December 09, 2001 - 2:44 am:

JD, I just noticed that this folder is called The Discussion, singular. Since there are, at least, 4 discussions shouldn't the folder be called The Discussions, plural?


By Josh M on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 6:36 am:

Everything dies. There is usually some way to kill an immortal being.


By That Was a Response to... on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 6:39 am:

Both Tacoman and Furby are certifably immortal and can't die.


By One more thing... on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 6:43 am:

Wait a minute...

Why were there stand-ins in the LICC universe? Why not just leave it at they were from other universes with their origins in those places?


By Kira Sharp on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 9:21 am:

(winks at Josh) Try it!

Theologically, pure immortality is explained as follows:
Beings who inhabit cybersoap universes have bizarre supercreatures that control their every move. The supercreatures are more than patron saints, more than guardian angels-- they're practically private gods, if you take a polytheistic view. These private gods, or "authors" as they are sometimes called (this because they "write" or "post" a character's every move) have complete control over a being's destiny, and their consent is required in order to expunge that being from the universe. Beings may be blown to bits or incinerated or badly damaged or "apparently killed," but if their "author" does not consent to their death, they will pop up a few minutes later, often unharmed, and quite as alive as before. (Or they may pop up as ghosts, or make a brief round trip to Hades. In any event, they do not "die.") No talisman, spell, charm, trick, or setup can actually kill a being if its "author" does not give its consent.


By Furby on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 9:37 am:

Suddenly Josh feels a strong grip around his throat. He is lifted off the ground and starts to choke. Shortly before he turns blue the grip is released and while recovering he hears a wellknown diabolic laughter.

MWUAHAHAHA!!!!!


By Padawan Observer on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 12:42 pm:

Kira: IIRC Klassikos mentioned something like that a while back. About the authors being the characters' "personal gods".


By Josh M on Monday, December 10, 2001 - 8:53 pm:

AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!

Josh wakes up at his computer, the screen dark, everything off. He looks over seeing a stuffed Furby staring back at him. He knocks if off the table.


By KAM on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 2:12 am:

Josh, (I assume) if the other LICC were simply from another universe then the solution would be to send them back.

As for why the LU had Stand-ins...

Hoo boy. (Takes deep breath.)

WARNING! Long-winded, convulated, & quite possibly incoherant explanation follows

I've usually considered the LICC Universe to be seperate from the Phantom Returns Universe, although other authors generally ignore this and meet people from their past or even go back in time in the LU without any problems or people questioning where the LICC came from.

I suppose they figured the LU branched off from PR instead of being completely seperate so when they go back in time far enough they are actually in PR.
(I now wish I had thought of that explanation instead of the seperate universes one.)

On LICC XXIII I posted,
By The Queue on Tuesday, July 4, 2000 - 10:03 pm:

Didn't we create this universe less than a year ago?

Yes, but then we went back and created a history, buried fossils, and spontaneously created ancestors for everyone.

Were we drunk at the time?

Seems like it.


My warped sense of humor at work.

It's based on a rebuttal to the old idea that the Earth is supposedly only 6000 years old. If the Earth is only 6,000 years old did God bury fossils and stretched out the light from distant stars to make it seem older than it was?

Anyway, I thought that was an absurdly funny idea & decided that the LU isn't as old as it seems to be.

Yes, I'll pause while you finish laughing yourself silly.

Since no one in the LU reacted to LICC as if they had come out of nowhere in 2999 and since we had met the Tacoman from the year 2000 and Frangelica kept running into heroes & villains she had met before, the LICC must have had a presence in the LU. So I decided that as part of the created past The Queue had created Stand-ins to be born, have adventures, etc., etc., so that when the Real (PR) LICC came to the LU they would be accepted as natives.

(The term Stand-in comes from TV & movies. When setting up a scene they would use a stand-in while the production people set up lights and other boring, time-consuming things that need to be done before the actors come on.)

Anyway that's more, or less, what I was thinking when I had the idea.


By Hamburger Pattie on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 2:15 am:

Kira - These private gods have complete control over a being's destiny

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By KAM on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 3:50 am:

Seems odd not to see Star Wars in the Last Day view.


By J. Gumby on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 9:52 am:

KAM makes an explanation...

MY BRAIN HURTS!


By JD on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 3:36 pm:

Did I reply to that Discussion thing? Guess not. Okay.

This section's called the Discussion because this is where all the discussion is. If I wanted to say this is where all the discussions are, I could have said that too. But lump a bunch of discussions together and you have a big pile of discussion. Make sense? Works both ways.

And KAM, you effectively ruined my Milkshake backstory, but I'm working on ways to get around it without ruining your story, so don't worry.


By Kira Sharp on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 3:36 pm:

Ohhh, that makes sense. Actually, that makes perfect sense.

Mmmmmmmmm.... ahhhhhhh... that newly-closed-board smell!


By Side note from Captain Frangelica on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 3:43 pm:

It's almost refreshing to have an old-style Q back for a short time. Q's were getting really cliched, but after a long break, you get nostalgic for this one.

On that note, he's driving me absolutely crazy, and I want more than anything to knock him into next week. Actually, that was the only reason why Frangelica became a Q-like being (I prefer to call her a Q-bar or anti-Q) in the first place. I wanted the power to throw Q off the ship.

Congrats to whoever's writing him (I assume it's JD until told otherwise). Don't overdo it, but you're doing a gerat job.


By JD on Tuesday, December 11, 2001 - 4:01 pm:

And yes, Q is me. And I am Q. Woo-hoo!

I love this Q myself. Almost wish I could go back and delete the non-Q Qs I've written in the past. Except q. I want to do more with him.

And I brought him in this time as a foil for Frangelica, because I was a little fed-up with how clever she was about the whole shootin' and threatenin' threat. As for the drivin' crazy, didn't you miss that too? :-)


By KAM on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 3:28 am:

Mine too, Gumby.

A big pile of discussion? Well, that sounds like a family-friendly metaphor. ;-)

How did I ruin the Milkshake backstory? IIRC He was born & spent some time in the 20th century, then fell into a space warp where his house & parents were, as if they'd always been there, he grows up, becomes a space marine, then a superhero, then he goes to the LICC universe and, surprise, surprise his parents are there as well. What's the contradiction?
(Maybe the fact that I didn't say Milkshake's parents had Stand-ins? I just assumed a special dispensation in their case.)

As for ruining my story, um..., didn't I do that already? ;-)
Actually I have no idea where the story is going now or where it's going to end up.
Are the Stand-ins temporary or have the other posters decided something else is going on?

If people are going to go along with my original idea, I have figured out a way to have the Stand-ins 'go away' without necesarily dying.

(Still it could be intersting to see how they react to the possibility that they might die.)

I do find it interesting that while it was stated that there were no red, yellow or blueshirts on the Spidermobile I & therefore implied that only the Stand-in heroes were on it, somehow other characters have been mysteriously appearing to occupy it. ;-)

Oh, Kira, if you were wondering Pattie was laughing at the idea that an author's control of a character could be Complete.
Some characters have the bad habit of developing personalities and deciding for themselves what they will & won't do.
When I started posting Pattie I was surprised at how explicit she could become and, not wanting to violate Phil's "No Sleaze" Rule, I created the PC Patrol to tone her down.
Didn't work.
As some cartoonist freinds of mine say, "You know you're in trouble when your characters start talking back to you." ;-)


By Kira Sharp, on behalf of Frangelica on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 8:48 am:

Wow, what a nice compliment. Thank you, JD.

Yeah, I noticed that too, KAM. I almost threw a redshirt out the airock, but then I remembered that we're not supposed to have any redshirts, and stole Cresadilla Man from Pesti instead. Considering Cresadilla Man probably got away or something, it's probably a nit, but I can't be bothered to go look it up.


By Padawan Observer on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 12:20 pm:

Cresadilia Man was actually Bob Brehm.


By JD on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 12:34 pm:

Wow, what a nice compliment. Thank you, JD.

I hope that wasn't sarcastic...Kira, you know I love your writing and your characters, but everyone needs a detractor. :-)


By Kira Sharp on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 12:55 pm:

I wasn't. I know. ;-)

And Paddy, I believe that the original Quesadilla Man was Bob Brehm, but Cresadilla Man [sic] was Pesti. Right?


By Matt Pesti on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 1:27 pm:

Who's Cresadilia Man? I never posted under that name.


By Padawan Observer on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 3:35 pm:

And Paddy, I believe that the original Quesadilla Man was Bob Brehm, but Cresadilla Man [sic] was Pesti. Right? - Kira Sharp.

No, JD included lines for a nameless traitor in one post, and said that someone else should "write" the part. Bob Brehm claimed it was "cresadilia man" and then someone else (KAM?) pointed out that the word was "Quesadilla".


By Kira Sharp on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 6:07 pm:

Oh, my bad. Sorry, Bob. I thought there was an earlier version of Quesadilla Man on JARSO.

JD? The Polymorph rifle appeared in PR XVI, and all the Stand-Ins should be familiar with it. Was this a mistake or an intentional breakdown of the barriers of reality?


By Brian Webber on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 8:29 pm:

Hey guys, you know I don't really mind if any of the banshee's that seem to be self-operating get blown up. In fact I think it'll make Kiehart's return that much funnier. :) I already blew up one by myself, and three others are gonna need to be rebuilt, leaving only two currently intact. That leaves the one attacking Rikard and the 6 going after Spidership I.


By JD on Wednesday, December 12, 2001 - 9:58 pm:

JD? The Polymorph rifle appeared in PR XVI, and all the Stand-Ins should be familiar with it. Was this a mistake or an intentional breakdown of the barriers of reality?

Um, it must be the breakdown of OUR reality because the polymorph rifle appeared nowhere in PR 16. There's a lot of talk about PHASER rifles there, but nothing about a reality-warping weapon. The first mention of a polymorph is in LICC1 9. Friday, February 4, 02:59 pm to be exact. I'm sure because I originated it. :-)

And everyone, Q is simply an outlet for me to be malicious and extremely anti-social. Don't hold it against his author, please. :-)


By KAM on Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 2:35 am:

No, Padawan, I didn't know the correct spelling of Quesadilla nor would I have guessed that was what Cresadilia was supposed to be.

Is Matthew Patterson playing Taquitoboy or did someone else get permission to play him?

As for the mix-up with the Polymorph Rifle maybe Captain Frangelica is thinking of a pre-LICC mission where she used a Polymorph Rifle against Snowmen?
(Just because LICC didn't have one until LICC IX doesn't mean that there couldn't have been Polymorph weapons in existence.)


By Kira Sharp on Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 7:53 am:

My bad. My search engine. The hard thing about this story is I don't have time to reread all of the PR stories to get an equipment roster.


By BF on Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 6:39 pm:

Seeing as how I'm busy with other things right now (EverQuest, and helping get the wrestling e-fed I was part of restarted since I'm going to be one of the five people running it), I'm taking a break and not posting. Reading, just not posting.

Btw, my character Poke-A-Man is retroactively my oldest character; I'm saying that he joined LICC shortly after the Spidership II was introduced, but stayed in the background; sort of a reserve member but lives onboard the ship anyway. If anyone wants to use him in the flashbacks to SS II, go right ahead. He's just a guy with really long index fingers who wears a belt with objects on them that look like Poke-balls, but are really stun-grenades.


By BF, supplemental on Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 6:40 pm:

And if anyone here plays EQ, I'm on the Rathe server.


By Sorting Some Fighter, by JM on Thursday, December 13, 2001 - 7:41 pm:

Okay, here's the Banshee count, just so we clear this up:
-2 fighters were crippled on the Spidership
-10 launched
-2 were disabled by Rikard leaving 8
-3 turned to engage Rikard (who would've taken them out) with the remaining 5 going after the Spidership I
-Of the 3 that engaged Rikard, 1 was destroyed, 1 was knocked off course, and one survived
-The shuttles with the Banshees grabbed the 2 disabled fighters and the one knocked off course and took them back to the Spidership III
-If we ignore Jason's post that leaves 5 chasing the Spidership I and 1 fighting Rikard
-If we only ignore the part of his post where more than one fighter is destroyed, that leaves 5 pursuing the Spidership I with the Banshees, Adon, and Rikard chasing them
-If we don't ignore the Adon post and we decide to forget about the Reality Check post and then there are only 2 Banshees back at the Spider III instead of 5, and 5 still chasing the Spider I. The disabled Banshees would have had to gotten away from the shuttles


By Question for the Amazing Quantum Man on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 6:10 am:

As today is QM Day will Quantum Man be celebrating Agnostica?


By Kramer from Seinfeld on Friday, December 14, 2001 - 9:28 am:

Actually, I prefer Festivus!


By Kira Sharp on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 9:51 am:

Jon, I laughed out loud when I read your last post. Actually, I thought your previous one was completely in character, and I was bringing out the Stand-In's dark and resentful side with Frangelica's response.

I actually have had a plan for some time, as will become apparent in a minute or two.


By JD on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 10:16 am:

Oh good. Kira, I sincerely hope I didn't ruin your plans with the attack. :-) Darth SP strikes again.


By Jon Wade on Wednesday, December 19, 2001 - 7:10 pm:

The one where Tacoman asks how Frangelica would like to go out? Yeah, when I saw Captain Frangelica's response, I figured that Tacoman should backtrack a bit and apologize, thinking that he had gone to far with the conversation... and besides, if Frangelica had stayed, I didn't want that Frangelica to be an enemy :)
It's odd.. near the start of the storyline, I thought it would have been cool to reveal that the Spidership I was actually Jacob McGruder's superhero group in disguise, fooling the LICC...


By KAM on Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 3:24 am:

So the Stand-in storyline is over?


By Kira Sharp on Thursday, December 20, 2001 - 8:14 am:

Yes! But they still need to regain control of the Spidermobile III.


By Brian Webber on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 12:16 am:

Kiehart is back, and funnier than ever! :) See my last post.


By JD (Jdominguez) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 6:16 pm:

Webber:

That breaks the No Sleaze rule, boyo. Sorry, but all references to your new "toy" will be deleted. Don't make a big thing out of this, please.


By Brian Webber on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 7:35 pm:

I will make a big thing! I went out of my to avoid using certain terms, such as •••••, or come, or even the proper spelling of orgasm. It's nice to see, as always, my hard work si appreciated. NOT! :(


By Brian Webber on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 8:01 pm:

I should point out the hypocrisy of it all. Jon is allowed to "show Butrfli his Captain's Log," but I can't brign in the Orgazmatron? It stinks! It's total BS!


By JD (Jdominguez) on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 10:44 pm:

Well I must point out that LICC was under different moderatorship when that post was made. Ccabe was decidedly less hands-on. And Brian, the rules are very very simple. They're right there on the front page. Go ahead and attack me, but I enforce the rules on my boards.

And if you want your hard work appreciated, just keep it in line! It's not that hard to do!


By Josh M on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 11:05 pm:

Jon never says things like, "and Tacoman and Butrfli had sex."
He's not very direct. He hints at it rather than actually showing it.


By Josh M on Saturday, December 22, 2001 - 11:06 pm:

I'm not saying you're THAT direct Webber, but I think Jon is a little more subtle.


By Padawan Observer on Sunday, December 23, 2001 - 6:18 am:

Another rule you seem to be forgetting recently is avoid solving problems with a wink, finger snap, etc. As soon as there is a problem, Kiehart just puts an end to it. The inevitable result is that the entire adventure (if one can exist) basically consists of the following Basic program...

01 VILLAIN DOES SOMETHING EVIL
02 KIEHART PUTS AN END TO IT IMMEDIATELY
03 GOTO 01

And so on, as the rest of the LICC just stand there and do nothing.


By You know who! on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 3:40 am:

*Sigh* It appears that I may once again need to don the fearsome guise I long ago abandoned. Yes, it seems that I may indeed need to once again become....

Plot Monitor!!


By The Expected Response on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 10:48 am:

No, not that! Anything but that!


By Curious Bystander on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 11:56 am:

Anything?


By Maxwell Smart, Agent 86 on Monday, December 24, 2001 - 1:53 pm:

Would you believe... ALMOST anything?


By KAM on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 4:56 am:

Sorry to pull a Webber with one of your characters BF. Hope you don't mind.


By BF on Monday, December 31, 2001 - 2:25 pm:

Nope. Don't mind at all. Thought it was rather funny, in fact.

And people, please don't kill me for the `Hairy Pottery' joke.


By KAM on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 5:03 am:

Good.

Kill you for a pun? Nah. Just put on this red shirt and go sit in one of the dunk tanks over at the LICC Theme Park.

I didn't think of it at the time, but Patricia's lines Adapting to change, taking advantage of a random occurence seem to fit LICC fairly well. (Proof! Proof, I say, that LICC is a chaotic universe!;-)

For those who were wondering Patricia doesn't like being threatened, but surviving JARD (Evil, evil since the dawn of time) and living in KILL (ditto), she's used to being threatened and knows where she stands when someone threatens her. When someone is nice to her she assumes that they have some ulterior motive. So when she heard what she thought was a threat from Observer she found herself on 'familiar ground' so to speak.
Also she is, first & foremost, a survivor and the thought that she would go into any situation without taking precautions is laughable.


By Jon Wade on Tuesday, January 01, 2002 - 8:47 am:

Happy New Year Everybody!


By Kira Sharp on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 8:50 am:

If anyone doesn't want me to utterly ruin Q's little game, speak now or forever hold your peace. All well-timed requests will be honored. All ex post facto whining will be ignored. Everyone who refuses to deviate from the ideal of plot spontaneity is free to go ignore this thread.


By JD (Jdominguez) on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 11:03 am:

It's not my game! I have no idea who this Sailor Evil and Q-dzilla joker is, but it ain't me!


By JD on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 11:12 am:

Actually, I think we should play this out. In the interests of giving everyone a fair shot at having a story done to conclusion. Remember, this story started with few guidelines, which means everyone's pretty free to mutate it...


By Brian Webber on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 12:58 pm:

BTW, in case anyone isn't aware, Ask LICC is inspired by The Experts segment on The New Red Green Show.


By Kira Sharp on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 3:54 pm:

Okay. Then as soon as Taconator was purged, Frangelica and Subway Man doubled back to check on the Defense League and will be sitting this story out. I promise not to ruin it for anyone else.


By Artsys Author on Wednesday, January 02, 2002 - 10:03 pm:

Padawan, ansh, sorry I haven't been emailing you guys. My email server is down! Grrr....


By Padawan Observer on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 12:47 pm:

Permanently?


By Artsys Author on Thursday, January 03, 2002 - 2:31 pm:

No, it got fixed today. Expect an email sometime soon.... (I have some shopping and a meeting today).


By Q-dzilla on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 4:45 am:

Mariachi music plays, cigars appear in the mouths of all the posters & two babes more scantily clad than Enesku appear on both sides of JD

Stop trembling in fear, mortals, and rejoice, for I won't be coming back.

Since my idea was so despised, and because of the ratings plunge, I am out of here, gone, vamoose, amscray, don't let the door hit me on the way out, fini!

I would like to thank Tacoman & Sailor Evil's authors for at least going along with it.

Au revoir.

Q-dzilla disappears in a flash of light never to be seen again


By Padawan Observer on Saturday, January 05, 2002 - 10:09 am:

I have a pretty good idea who it was posting as Q-dzilla, Sailor Evil, Temporary Executive, etc. but maybe that's for the Roll Call board on the Kitchen Sink?


By Padawan Observer on Sunday, January 06, 2002 - 3:22 am:

"Artsy's Author", can you still not receive e-mails? You haven't answered mine or Ansh's for a week.


By KAM on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 6:53 am:

Odd thought, but Sailor Evil & Tacoman returned to the ship, presumably, in the same condition they left, but Enesku came back bruised & battered. Does this mean that she still has the ability to breathe fire? And if she does should Rikard be careful if he ever tries to kiss her?


By Padawan Observer on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 10:20 am:

When could Enesku breathe fire?


By Kira Sharp on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 7:02 pm:

So what plot are we on now?


By The Observer on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 8:24 pm:

The Frank one.


By The Observer on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 8:34 pm:

Oh, if you want more clarification..

Insane has been reciving disturbing (dreams? visions?) about the future; including dreams of the Franks. Now a Frank ship has appeared and is menacing the ship. Two Guys Named Reg have reappeared to combat the Franks.


By A GalEx Courier on Tuesday, January 08, 2002 - 9:27 pm:

And apparently, the Terran Congress thinks this is infringing on their rights, and are subpoenaing Tacoman.


By KAM on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 2:41 am:

In the second Qdzilla post
With a snap of his finger all the little monsters in Enesku's city turn into little, tiny versions of herself and suddenly she is breathing radioactive fire.

And as the person who posts as The Frank Conspiracy I'm not thrilled with the whole Evil aspect that Padawan has given them, so I will probably post very little during this storyline.


By News Flash Gordon on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 2:41 am:

There was much rejoicing.


By Another Frank on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 9:20 am:

Yeah, but at least the Franks have the capability for silliness. I don't think the Franks are evil... just... um... er.. umm... misguided. Yeah, that's it! Misguided! That's the ticket!


By Padawan Observer on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 9:48 am:

Oh... right. Sorry, KAM, pronoun trouble. I thought "herself" and "she" referred to Q-dzilla. I was surprised at the idea of Q-dzilla being female, but that's who I thought you meant. If I had known Enesku was breathing fire and taking on tiny versions of herself I would have written about it, and had fun doing so. Sorry.


By Daffy Duck on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 1:01 pm:

Oh... right. Sorry, KAM, pronoun trouble.

OK, letthhh try that again!


By Bugs Bunny on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 3:30 pm:

Duck season!


By Daffy Duck on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 4:19 pm:

Wabbit Season!


By Bugs Bunny on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 6:42 pm:

Wabbit Season.


By Daffy Duck on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 6:47 pm:

Duck Season! And I insist you shoot!


By Elmer Fudd on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 6:49 pm:

*BOOOOM!*


By Daffy Duck on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 6:51 pm:

You're...dethpicable.


By ScottN, Bugs Bunny Fan Extraordinaire on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 7:21 pm:

The actual dialog is:

B: Do you want to shoot me now, or take me home and shoot me?
D: Shoot him now! Shoot him now!
B: You stay out of this! He doesn't have to shoot you now.
D: Oh yes he does so have to shoot me now, so shoot me now!
E: BOOM!

D: Letthhh try that again!
B: OK.
B: Do you want to shoot me now, or take me home and shoot me?
D: Shoot him now. Shoot him now.
B: You stay out of this! He doesn't have to shoot you now.
D: Ah! There'thh the trouble! Pronoun problemttth! It's not, "He doesn't have to shoot you now", it's "he doesnt' have to shoot ME now." But I say he does have to shoot me now, so SHOOT ME NOW!
E: BOOM!
D: (To Bugs:) You're dethhhpicable.


By Another Bugs Bunny fan on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 7:55 pm:

Actually, Scott, the "Duck Season/Rabbit Season" cartoons were a trilogy. They were "Rabbit Fire", "Rabbit Seasoning" and "Duck, Rabbit, Duck". The above was not meant to be an exact transcription of either dialogue you quote. It was a variant to convey the concept. The first "Duck Season/Rabbit Season" argument was from "Rabbit Fire". It should end with the revelation that it's actually "Elmer Season". Bugs & Daffy should both should be quoted as saying, "Be vewy, vewy qwiet. We're hunting Elmers." In "Duck, Rabbit, Duck" it's ultimately revealed that it's "Baseball Season". The dialogue you quote is from "Rabbit Seasoning."


By ScottN on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 9:14 pm:

Yes, I know the Duck Season/Wabbit Season scene also led to Elmer firing, but if you'll note, this whole thread started because of pronoun problems, which was the version I quoted.


By Another Bugs Bunny fan on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 9:26 pm:

Sorry.


By Artsys Author on Wednesday, January 09, 2002 - 10:16 pm:

Pesti, your latest post could be interpreted as pretty offensive to Christians.....


By Padawan Observer on Thursday, January 10, 2002 - 10:17 am:

Follow the link which Pesti gave. You can see that the name `Jesus' was given to the sword to make L.I.C.C. look more thought-provoking and intelligent than it really is.

By the way, sorry if I'm GMing the storyline too much. As far as I recall, I haven't nullified anyone's ideas which I didn't anticipate.