LICC3 Discussion 6, Hugs, & Talkin' Soul

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By Elrod on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 4:20 am:

It's, ah say, it's a pun, ya see.


By Kira Sharp on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 8:15 am:

I disagree with Rocket Ranger. It's no fair to give Tacoman an extra lease on life and then dictate how he has to spend it. If he and Butrfli want to travel the galaxy and raise the kids and come back for Christmas specials, that might be kind of nice. And besides, it'll get kind of weird with two Tacomen on active duty.

DISCLAIMER: I am NOT telling Jon what to do. It is HIS character and HIS choice and HIS right and HIS left. I'm just stating my humble opinion and I'm not trying to boss Jon around and I just want to air my opinion without compromising Frangelica's character but I don't expect Jon to slavishly follow it I'm just *mentioning* not *telling.* Sheez!


By BF on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 9:42 am:

Yeah, I don't agree with Rocket Ranger, either, but he ain't me, now is he?


By Josh M on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 3:27 pm:

Technically, he is.

You control him.


By Brian Webber on Thursday, April 18, 2002 - 6:34 pm:

Even if he leaves he can always come back. L:ook at Sherry Stringfield on ER!

Or he could always come back for the LICC3 finale (a common series final trick is bringing back long lost characters in one form or another).


By KAM on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 4:55 am:

I figured that when Alexander Tacoman came in it was the end of Captain Tacoman. (I also figured Jon got sick & tired of us pointing out when he contradicted something he had previously established. We couldn't do that with Alexander... yet. ;-)

BTW why hasn't Alexander expressed any interest in returning or at least contacting someone from his home dimension.

We know that he & that universe's Frangelica were lovers, and I don't remember his saying that she was dead, so why hasn't he at least made an effort to get back to his Fran?

Is there something that Alexander is hiding???

Josh, just because BF WRITES RR, doesn't necesarily means he CONTROLS him.
Characters sometimes have the annoying habit of deciding for themselves what they will say and/or do in any given situation.


By Josh M on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 11:11 am:

To them, Alex is dead. Maybe he doesn't want to give them a shock like that. I guess Jon will just have to tell us.


By Brian Webber on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 1:49 pm:

ALthouhg I like the 'hiding something' angle. It's like a good mystery. I like a good mystery! :) Jon, may I humbly suggest that you run with that?


By Padawan Observer on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 3:36 pm:

Hey, imagine PD Insane and Rikard got into an argument. If PD Insane told Rikard to 'go jump in a lake' that does not mean that I, Padawan Observer, want Josh Mastin to post that Rikard jumped into a lake. Nor do I wish to assume that he jumped into a lake 'while we weren't looking'.

If Enesku told Ansh that she wanted Ansh to become like Enesku, that doesn't mean I, Padawan Observer, want Ansh to become like Enesku.

When an author puts words into one of his or her characters' mouths, it doesn't mean that he or she is expressing his or her own opinion when he or she does that.


By Brian Webber on Friday, April 19, 2002 - 10:44 pm:

Paddy's right.

Example: Kiehart likes Hockey. I don't.


By JD (Jdominguez) on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 4:11 pm:

On that note, are we ready for the author storyline, folks? Give a yell!


By Padawan Observer on Saturday, April 20, 2002 - 4:29 pm:

YELL!

Jon, is Milkshake still captain?


By Brian Webber on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 2:01 am:

YELL!

Good question Paddy.

JD, should we have the Authors just show up all at once, or should we have them repalce their characters one by one?

Also, what if they were asleep at the time of transfer? Will they suddenly wake up on the floor in their pajamas or will they show up in the same bodily position as the person they are replacing?


By KAM on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 3:31 am:

Suddenly all of KAM's characters decide to take a vacation.

"Bye everyone. We're going to Riza for a month."


By BF on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 4:38 am:

YELL! But.....

You know, in a situation like this, it might be a good idea to have someone who is still in the real world who can communicate with the trapped authors and try to provide help (and figure out a way to get them back into the real world). I hereby volunteer for that job.


By KAM on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 5:16 am:

Coward. ;-)

At least we know why Artsy is apparently dead. Artsy's Author is trying to avoid this storyline as well. ;-)


By Padawan Observer on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 5:18 am:

Wrong.


By BF on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 5:24 am:

Nope. I'm not a coward. I just have my irons in too many fires right now, so I won't be able to post as much. It wouldn't matter what the next storyline is, because I still wouldn't be posting.

I'm trying to learn how to use Paint Shop Pro 7 (bought it with my birthday money) so I can make some skins for Freedom Force, have TWO websites I'm working on (one for The Sims and one for Freedom Force), and I have to write a character sheet for Ojanon and an updated one for Rocket Ranger, which requires surfing the Archives a lot.


By KAM on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 5:52 am:

Yeesh. Has everyone forgotten what old fashioned winky face looks like?


By JD (Jdominguez) on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 10:05 am:

Not really, BF. The thing about this storyline is that it involves not just an alternate universe, but OUR universe. When we treat LICC as equal to REALITY, and parrellel to it, things can get very odd, and not just in the way of nits. I much like the idea of all of us being stranded in LICC and trying to find our OWN way back.

Whatcha all think bout this?

BTW, I was thinking everyone's replaced instantaneously, wherever their MAIN characters were at the instant of transfer, in whatever clothes and in whatever condition the authors themselves were in at the point of transfer.


By JD (Jdominguez) on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 10:07 am:

Plus how in the heck would you, BF, in REALITY, get us out? Write us back to existence?

The whole point of this is to treat the thing realistically, as if we ourselves appeared in LICC.


By Kira Sharp on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 4:38 pm:

If we're about to authorize, can I reserve the next story for when the characters get back? (The follow-up to the last adventure, I mean. I was going to do it now, but if people are eager to go on, I can wait.)

And JD, the "realistic" thing is a nice idea, but I just don't think it's going to work. Look at the last body-switching storyline, the one with the fans. Everybody ordered equipment out of the CyberTek catalog and participated in a full-fledged battle that lasted practically all day. This was how we prevented the advenure from being hopelessly boring. In reality, none of us are in the Navy, none of us can handle weapons of mass destruction, and comparitively few of us are any good ina fight whatsoever. We don't know what buttons to push, we don't know how the equipment works, and I don't know about you, but if I suddenly disappeared from reality and re-appeared in a hyperdimension, I would spend most of my time worrying that my job and my life were screwing themselves up in my absence and that my husband would be insane with worry. Reality is confused and boring, and that's why we have the LICC.

Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to play along with the story, but I just don't think it's going to turn out the way you expect it.


By JD (Jdominguez) on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 6:54 pm:

You could very well be right, Kira.

Now what isn't common knowledge is that the 'author appearances' won't be the only hook to keep the story going. There is going to be a conflict, so that should at least provide some interest as our humble selves attempt to deal with it. But to me it would be perfect if we could strike that fine balance between being OURSELVES and keeping the story INTERESTING. So this may require some sacrifices on the part of the premise, I don't know. Something we have to consider, I guess.


By Jason on Sunday, April 21, 2002 - 10:59 pm:

Well, since I'm sure that many of you are wondering about this whole secret plot thing with Adon, I'm going to write a story about it. It will probably be a big story, and will take a while to finish, so don't hold your breath. I will post it somewhere once I finish with it.

If you want the story finished faster, send money! With that kind of insentive, I can write all day. :)


By KAM on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 3:50 am:

in whatever clothes and in whatever condition the authors themselves were in at the point of transfer.

Let's hope not. Let's hope the TPTB have the good taste to wait for a moment when all the authors are covered up in some kind of clothing. (Does anyone really want to see a nude KAM, or a Webber on the toilet? I don't think so.)

And let's face it, BF, if you don't want to post much, don't post much. I'm not planning on posting much.
Heck I'm wishing this storyline had happened when I was away from LICC for a few months. I participate in RPGs to be other people, not myself. Who is KAM? Do I play an idealized version of KAM? Do I play KAM as he seems at NitCentral? Do I actually try to play KAM as he *gasp* really is? I'd rather make somebody up.

And for that matter JD, why would some of us try to find our way back to our own universe. The LICC universe seems like a lot more fun than reality.


By Hordes of disgusted LICC backstory fans, running away really fast on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 9:27 am:

Does anyone really want to see a nude KAM, or a Webber on the toilet?

Ewww! Gross!


By Jdominguez on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 9:36 am:

I think TPTB will be responsible in that regard, KAM.

You make a very good point, KAM. I can imagine authors not wanting to write exactly as their true selves...as I said, we'll need to strike a balance here. Why don't we do something like saying our author selves come from another reality (which they do, because if they were *OURSELVES*, we would really BE in LICC), in which we are who we wish to be now. I don't mean we're all thin, have great complexions, are amazingly attractive, richer than Gates, several inches taller, no knock-knees, and are a few degrees smarter, I mean we can be free to improve our alternate versions of ourselves a little if we're shy.

Again, feedback, please!


By Electron on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 9:58 am:

We don't know what buttons to push, we don't know how the equipment works... Kira Sharp

Waitasecond, doesn't the Spidership have the traditional IFOS anymore?


By JD (Jdominguez) on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 10:14 am:

We replaced it after the Ferengi fiasco. ;-D


By Padawan Observer on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 10:18 am:

I say we run with it and if we don't like it or it isn't doing well we stop.


By Padawan Observer on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 10:44 am:

I think we shouldn't write ourselves as being too different from the way we are in reality, because that would kind of go against the point. Writing ourselves a little different is inevitable.


By Brian Webber on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 12:41 pm:

In reality, none of us are in the Navy, none of us can handle weapons of mass destruction, and comparitively few of us are any good ina fight whatsoever. We don't know what buttons to push, we don't know how the equipment works, and I don't know about you, but if I suddenly disappeared from reality and re-appeared in a hyperdimension, I would spend most of my time worrying that my job and my life were screwing themselves up in my absence and that my husband would be insane with worry. Reality is confused and boring, and that's why we have the LICC.

Exactly! That's what's gonna make it interesting, us trying to not only figure it out, but how to get along (presumably most of 'us' will be meeting in person for the first time ever).

As for what KAM said about some people not wanting to leave, this can be an interesting way to twist the plot too!


By ScottN on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 1:49 pm:

How do we handle multiple characters?


By Brian Webber on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 1:58 pm:

I thought we'd worked that out already, hadn't we JD? Didn't we deciude not to have mulple copies of the same auhtor running around (geez, with as many characters as KAM has he'd outnubmered everybody :) ).


By Brian Webber on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 2:01 pm:

Oooh, I just had a great idea. I'm gonna go post it. If it doesn't quite with what you had in mind for the story JD, feel free to delete it.


By JD on Monday, April 22, 2002 - 8:00 pm:

I thought it would all happen at once, Bri. Well, since you started it...


By KAM on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 3:33 am:

with as many characters as KAM has
Hamburger Pattie, The Answer Man, Visitor #25, Old DC Fan & Soyburger Patricia - Have left the LICC Universe.

Mr. Obvious, Mr. Absurd, The Insector, Ensigns Pinky & Brain, Marissa & Steven, The Juiceman, Lts. Who, What & Idontknow - No longer part of LICC for various reasons.

That leaves Robot Redshirt and... um, Ensign First, maybe one other, as part of the team & on the Spidermobile.
(Although maybe I could post as Ensigns KAM, KAM & KAM. ;-)

If we replace our characters, does that mean that our characters have replaced us? (Might be funny, Kira's husband comes home to discover Frangelica, Scott Free & whomever else she writes standing around. ;-)


By Robot Redshirt on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 4:04 am:

What am I doing here?

I was just in my cubicle getting oiled and now I am sitting in front of a primitive 20th century computer.

What is going on?


By Quantum Man, whispering because he still has laryngitis on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 9:26 am:

Huh? Where am I?

Looks out the window.

I'm back in the 20th Century again?

Looks around some more and sees a calendar.

2002? OK, it's the 21st Century. What's going on?


By The Mysterious Stranger on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 9:39 am:

The LICC's unearthly visitor looks around quickly and spots Frangelica looking around groggily. As per her instructions, she flourishes her enormous staff and smacks the young woman on the head. Stunned by an unexpected blow from an invisible assailant, Franeglica slumps to the ground and offers no resistance when the stranger picks her up and drags her through a door marked G258.

Conference room... conference room... first on the right... Aha!

The stranger drags Frangelica into the conference room and gently lays her down on a chair. She then turns off all the lights and locks the door behind her. She disappears for a moment, then reappears with several large bags of pretzels and a bottle of cranberry drink that look suspiciously like the ones sold in Tech Cafeteria and do not seem to have been paid for. The invisible stranger is tempted to play with all the cool equipment around her, but remembers the instructions not to touch anything, and settles down for a pretzel-filled wait.


By Commander Adon on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 10:14 am:

Adon was crusing over the streets of Cincinnati as people screamed and fled before him.

What's wrong with you people? Haven't you ever seen a flying superhero before?


By Quantum Man on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 11:06 am:

Quantum Man notices people staring at him...

What are they looking at?

Looks down at himself.

Oh yeah, it's 21st Century Terra. This outfit is a bit odd, isn't it? I'd better see what I can find for myself. Where the heck am I?

Looks at the cars in the parking lot.

Hmmm... I'm somewhere in California. That's a start.


By Quantum Man on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 12:46 pm:

Well, if I could do it in the afterworld, maybe I can do it here...

Ducks into a bathroom. Quantum Man concentrates on some really unlikely statistical occurence, and actually manages to get something reasonable out of it! After the lavender glow fades, he's wearing casual business wear. A pair of gray slacks and a lavender(!) polo shirt. Much better than his Quantum Man costume.

Holy cow, it worked! Of course, I bet the next time I really need that it won't work... low probability and all...


By Brian Webber on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 1:07 pm:

So I guess when this goes up on the Archive site the story will be titled "Author! Author!"? :)


By JD on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 1:28 pm:

:-D


By Brian Webber on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 1:31 pm:

Actually "Authors! Authors!" would make a smidge more sense, but it's your site.


By ScottN on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 1:41 pm:

Brian, just so you know, there is such a thing as "too much detail and information". I think you found it with your last post over on the story board.


By Josh M on Tuesday, April 23, 2002 - 2:42 pm:

Rikard has not been replace yet. He left for Earth for the funerals of the Yellow Squad pilots.

Just thought I'd point that out.


By ScottN on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:29 am:

Kira, I hope you aren't offended by my "drone-mode"-ing you up to the bridge.


By Kira Sharp on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 10:28 am:

Heavens, no. :) You think I was going to stand in the hallway like a statue while you went up to the bridge?

I hope no one minds if I play with the time-conversion scheme. I'm having a lot of fun living reality-time on the Spidership. I hope poor Frangelica will forgive me for keeping her locked in the conference room for so long, but she needs the sleep anyways, and I'm worried that if she sees what Kira's life is like, she may refuse to leave it!


By Furby on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:05 pm:

Suddenly all the members of LICC/small find themselves in some sort of very antique computer lab. Several servers are humming in the corners, there are enough cables to create a second world wide web, a few monitors and TV screens show interesting programs and the traditional coffee-machine is working. All doors are locked from inside and from a wall hangs a calendar. The 25th is marked "100% backbone f. chat with L.".

Where and when are we? 2002?! UH! The Dark Age!


By alt-Furby on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 12:22 pm:

You are right. Look there!

Ontop of a TV sits a toy Furby. It is holding a small plastic machine gun and a chainsaw in his paws. And it wears devil's horns!


By By the way... on Wednesday, April 24, 2002 - 5:30 pm:

In my post, "Josh" should be "can't"


By ScottN on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 12:20 pm:

Kira commented on the story board.

Electron and Scott-- who really know what they're doing--

G-d help us all if I'm one of the only two who does...

Electron has practical experience. Mine is all theoretical, and only artillery control.

Oh, and Matt? Being (not totally in-)competent with a bladed weapon hardly qualifies me as a weapons officer. Security redshirt, maybe, but not a weapons officer.


By Electron on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 12:54 pm:

Artillery control? Guess what I did!

Our mortars were from WWII and I had to do the fire-control solution.


By Jason on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 1:08 pm:

A quick story update...
I've made it up to page 5, and the story is just getting started... ;)


By ScottN on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 1:39 pm:

Electron, you ever hear of any of the following?


By Electron on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 4:18 pm:

Uh, after some googling I think those things involve computers. We only had a very simple analog device to compute distance and firing angle.


By ScottN on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 4:38 pm:

They were all computerized artillery control systems that yours truly had the pleasure of working on.

Well, not exactly, TACFIRE was the original version that I helped port in the other instances.

You'd have liked them. They computed the firing solution, taking into account current tactical geometries, the weather and ballistics model (including Coriolis effect), weapon, shell, powder, etc...

Very nice for the artillery guys. You might want to look here.


By Josh M on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 5:26 pm:

Well, with 31st century tech at our fingertips, couldn't we just tell the computer what to do? Sure, it may be a little slower than usual but it could sitll work.


By Electron on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 6:01 pm:

That should probably work.

ScottN, our mortars were from the early 1940s (that's not a joke). Using a computer would have been bad style. Sadly I didn't find any webpages yet for the nifty device I had to carry around on my back. But it was nice to have some armor there. ;-)


By The author on Thursday, April 25, 2002 - 6:03 pm:

But still, the enemy has plenty of 31st century tech, AND SKILLED crew members. Should tip the odds, muhahah.


By Kira Sharp on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 9:24 am:

Two simultaneous posts BY Darth Simultaneous Posts! Is this a first?


By JD on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 10:03 am:

Nope, it's happened before. :-D


By Jon Wade on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 11:48 am:

Hi folks. Sorry about my lenghtly absense, but I have a good reason...
Last Thursday, we turned on the air conditioner, and about five minutes later, our fuse box melted.
Because of that, we had to get an electrician, the new stuff inspected, and other various items. Yes, it took the entire week to do.
Luckily, no one was hurt, and nothing besides the fuse box, the wire leading to the meter, and the meter had to be replaced.
It was one of those incidents that when the officials looked at the fuse box, they were suprised that the house didn't burn.


By Kira Sharp on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 1:52 pm:

Glad you're okay. And all of your stuff too.

I'll be signing off for the Sabbath soon and won't be back for 24 hours, so please nobody wait for Kira's authorization to do anything really necessary.

(Boy have we been packing a lot into 24 hours these days!)


By ScottN on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 4:07 pm:

Have a good Shabbat, Kira.

Shabbat Shalom.


By JD on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 8:35 pm:

I'm getting a little fed up. No matter what, it's always easy for the LICC, always. Why do we even have villains, anyway?

No problem that it's us, we'll just write in some cybersuits.

No problem that we don't know how to run the ship, the ship runs itself.

No matter what they do, we can get around it.

*sigh*


By BF on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 9:27 pm:

Well, I see one MAJOR problem with the authors not being able to have some control over the ship. It goes something like this:

Author #1: I wonder what this will do?

Throws some switches and presses some buttons.

Author #2: DON'T TOUCH ANYTHING!

Author #1: Too late.

Computer: Warp core breach eminent.

BOOM!

As for the cybersuits (and the gear I found).... well, you had to know going into this that something like that would happen. (Although I don't think we should have access to any Cybertec catalogs)


By JD on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 9:50 pm:

Yeah, I understand THAT, but there's a difference between managing to use the engines and managing to fire some weapons and finding some cool stuff lying around, and, handling the ship just as well as the regular crew (incidentally with the computer's help) and planning complex tactics and ORDERING all the weapons and omnipotent armor we'll ever need.

I'm just saying it really needs to be more realistic. A thirty-first century ship with an entirely unskilled crew and automated systems is beating an equivalent thirty-first century ship with a SKILLED CREW and actual humans working the stuff!


By ScottN on Friday, April 26, 2002 - 10:24 pm:

No matter what they do, we can get around it.

Seems to be working that way for our enemies, too.

A thirty-first century ship with an entirely unskilled crew and automated systems is beating an equivalent thirty-first century ship with a SKILLED CREW and actual humans working the stuff!

Well, considering that the ship came out of our imaginations, we *should* have a reasonable idea of how to operate it.

Oh, and the first thing QM will do when this story line is over is replace the IFOS with a real one.


By One of the authors on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 4:01 am:

The thing is, BF, why do you use cybersuits to solve everything? It gets annoying.


By KAM on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 5:33 am:

Well, Jake, a major part of the problem is that LICC began as a satire/parody of superheroes & science fiction TV shows & movies. While realistic elements can be added to that it's mocking origins will always be there.

[Darth Vader voice] Join the dark side, JD. Use the Farce.

Also, we haven't beaten the other ship. It's still there & it's still a problem. Yes, in a realistic situation the enemy ship would have defeated us within 2 seconds, but that wouldn't be much of a story now would it.

Also how is this story supposed to end? Obviously we have to defeat the bad guys, somehow, or do you want us to lose?
The authors were defeated and killed. The bad guys went off to celebrate their victory. Then Q showed up, snapped his fingers and the authors were all back where they belonged having learned that it's all a lot harder than they had been writing it.

The End


The cybersuit might be fun if Jon DIDN'T know how to use it.
"Whoops! Sorry Webber. I'm sure your hair will grow back."

Glad you & your family are safe & sound Jon.

I think my problem with LICC currently is that as the heroes have become more powerful the villains have too. When I was writing Walt Wonderful & WW1 talking to Tacoman & Butrfli I realized just how much fun it is to write DIALOGUE. Nowadays that villains are so powerful that the only talking they do is gloating before they karate chop a planet in half.

Unfortunately quirky heroes & villains are passe now. That's why I've written most of my characters out. They no longer fit in.


By BF on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 5:51 am:

To one of the authors.....

Re-read the posts. I didn't bring in the cybersuits. Jon did!

Frankly, when I made the post telling Jon to go check Tacoman's and Milkshake's quarters, I didn't expect him to actually find anything. The post was a natural response I would have made.

And note: I'm not wearing a cybersuit in the story; just some random pieces of NON-POWERED armor. (But the helmet does have a built-in comm and polarized lenses) I'm basically pulling a "Batman" with the utility belt. HOWEVER, I don't know what exactly the contents of the belt's pods are. Amd the wristbands...well, I'm not going to give that away, but it has nothing to do with armoring up.


By JD on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 9:57 am:

Also how is this story supposed to end? Obviously we have to defeat the bad guys, somehow, or do you want us to lose?

Alright, I said I wouldn't say anything, on the basis it might be story-controlling, but if the authors were supposed to WIN, I think I might have given up already. ;-)

Now, speaking of normal villain behavior, there's a mind-set we have to break out of. Who says the villains want to KILL us? And who says the villains want to hurt the AUTHORS? As far as anyone knows, the LICC is still out roaming the galaxy in the Spider. Now I won't spoil anymore, but I think you guys know enough.


By Kira Sharp on Saturday, April 27, 2002 - 9:42 pm:

Well, whatever the villains are planning, now would be an excellent time for them to spring it on us, since the battle is pretty much over.

And I happen to agree with JD that the cybersuits are getting pretty cliched as our answer to everything, but ScottN has a *very* good point that we created everything in this universe, so it shouldn't be a complete mystery to us. If the LICC-verse can bring characters randomly back from the dead (next storyline... muahahaha!) just because they're LICC'ers, then it should certainly shower our Authors with serendipity.

Shavua tov, Scott!


By ScottN on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 12:06 am:

Shavuah Tov, Kira. I hope you had a good Shabbat.


By KAM on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 5:13 am:

JD, there are three basic endings to this story:
1. The Authors win. The expected ending.
2. The Authors lose. Not unexpected, but what exactly would be the point?
3. The Authors & the bad guys come to some kind of settlement. "Well, JD, thought you guys up and made you the losers you are, so let the rest of us go free and you can take out your feelings of frustration on him." ;-)

As for doing so well against the bad guys, well... what choice did we have? Our avatars are on a ship being attacked. So we wrote the natural things. Running away & fighting back.

Maybe if all or most of the writers had been writing characters on the other ship it would have come off better. The old Chess Game of the Mind, so to speak.

All we've really seen of the bad guys is, well, pretty boring. We don't know them as characters. We don't know their points of view. Except in your mind, they are just 2-dimensional cardboard cutouts.

Why do we even have villains? Well perhaps you should have said why do we have Antagonists, as not every opponent to the heroes is necesarily doing it for bad reasons.

A while back I objected to Hela being listed as a villain on the LICC Archives, because to me she wasn't a villain, and the League really didn't have any right to take the Stone of Power from her. She bought it fair & square. Q was the real villain in that story.

I like quirky characters. I like characters with opposing points of view. I like interaction between these types of characters. Hell, I like questioning the actions of the League when I think they're in the wrong.

Anyway I like fighting goofy, because it's fun, because it causes someone to think, 'Oh boy, now what?' & because there is very little chance of violating that old "Thou shall not kill another writer's character" clause.

However humor & quirky characters are on the way out, serious storylines are in.

I did not like your way of disposing of the Bizarro ship. Sub-Normality field, bah! It's a Bizarro ship!!! They could have destroyed it with 2, or 3, shots tops!!! "Me are so happy. Warp core breach are fun."

As for the Dupe-O-Matic... yeesh... you missed so much. I didn't say all the dupes would disagree, I said some or most. Also I assume Observer is prisoner on the other ship. He would have been duped as well.

Ah, like anything I write matters. Who cares, fine, whatever...


By Padawan Observer on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 6:00 am:

KAM, calm.


By Jon Wade on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 6:19 am:

Ok.. Earlier in these posts, people were wondering about my plans for my various characters...
Jackson Tacoman and Butrfli: Get married, take the kids on the honeymoon, travel for a while, maybe go to Butrfli's home dimension.
Alexander Tacoman: He hasn't expressed a desire to go back yet because things havn't really settled down yet. He might want to go back, he locates his dimension on the dimensional viewer, discovers that his crew thinks he is dead, and decides to stay with our LICC. Of course, later our LICC can visit his LICC for one reason or another...
As for him hiding something, we'll just have to see.
Part of the reason for Jackson and Butrfli to leave for a while is because of the confusion of having two Tacomen around.
And yes, Milkshake will stay Captain. I always figured that when Tacoman left the big chair for one reason or another, Milkshake would become Captain.


By KAM on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 8:31 am:

Calm is pretty ineffectual thing to say to someone who has lost their temper.

It is a completely worthless thing to say to someone who no longer cares.

Slight difference between those two states of mind, Padawan.


By JD on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 10:47 am:

KAM, good points.

Right about the endings.

I see about doing so well.

Hmm, wow, maybe I should've outlined my story here so we could play both the authors and the villains, it might've made for better stuff...oh well, too late, hindsight and all that.

I plan on developing the villains as characters right away, now that we're within eyesight of them. That's why I'm hoping that this "Detained" situation lasts a little, because them we can have interesting interaction and dialogue between the baddies and the authors and they can grow out of two-dimensional cutouts.

Ah, good point about the antagonists. I was just in a bad mood when I wrote that indignant (more like whining) post. Sorry, everyone.

You're right, not every antagonist is a villain and not every character is a true antagonist, with regards to Hela. Shall we remove her from the villain ranks?

I can't add much to the quirky bit, for one reason or another. I'm not disapproving, I just don't know what to say right now.

Yeah, but fighting goofy just seems too omnipotent at times and too detracting from the semi-serious nature of certain storylines at times. Maybe I just need to lighten up.

You could be right, but is there a problem with having a mostly-goofy storyline, then a serious one, then a goofy, and so on?

Yeah, I wrote the bizarro off too easily, but I didn't care for the twist, I guess, and not everyone likes to terminate beings just brought into the universe by killing them. Much better to just use a Sub-Normality, thus assuring they never existed in the first place. Karma, I guess.

The Dupe-O-Matic, I was once again intolerant and so sidestepped it. I just didn't want to expose too much of my villains before they could meet the authors. I was shooting for an old submarine movie type thing. We know as little about our antagonists as we can until they're right in our face. Now, I could've just written big descriptions and everything for the baddies and ensured that we would know about them, but I thought it would contribute to the effect if nobody really got a good look at them before they captured us.

Well, I'm just a hack writer. Sorry if you got angry, KAM. I guess our styles just don't mesh...


By Padawan Observer on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 10:56 am:

Let's not explain the entire storyline over here, shall we?


By Padawan Observer on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 11:26 am:

I mean to saay, let's not describe everything that's going to happen. Why can't we just WAIT and see what JD's planned WHEN HE POSTS IT AS PART OF THE STORY?


By Brian Webber on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 3:18 pm:

Well, we could always make it that some Trelaine-like energy being replaced the LICC heroes with their auhtors as a joke and he wouldn't actually let the authors come to any harm, he just wants to play with us, which of course annoys the •••• out of us because we don't like being played with (shut up with the jokes!).


By Electron on Sunday, April 28, 2002 - 4:54 pm:

Ångstrom certainly looks bigger than his name at the moment.


By JD on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 11:18 am:

Scott...

How is this 'not removing Scott from the bridge or not taking him to the brig'?

"Betamax, ShootingStar, Angstrom, take the prisoners to their brig, all except this woman here. Have a full security contingent beamed over to keep them under guard at all times."


By ScottN on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 2:16 pm:

Oops!


By Jason on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 2:42 pm:

My story continues to grow, so I thought that a teaser of sorts would be appropriate here. Enjoy!

Rogat, the former Wanderer, found himself on a stone alter. He was naked, and there was a mark on his forehead. The alter was inscribed with mysterious and evil looking ruins. There was a black mark on Rogat’s forehead similar to the mark that dominated the alter. Surrounding the alter were five statues with glowing red eyes. The statues spoke to him. . “We have a use for you. Fail, and you shall return to your prison for all eternity. Succeed, and the universes will be yours to do with as you wish.”

Rogat laughed. “I hope you can make me even more powerful than before. If I run into him again, your plans will be ruined, yet again.”

“It will be done.” Red lightning flashed from the statues eyes, enveloping Rogat in energy. The mark on his forehead changed both shape and color, from black to green. Glowing green words, written in a language long forgotten by mortal man appeared over his body. At last, the lightning stopped and the words faded.

“You have been given words of power. Now, do as we command.”

A word appeared on Rogat’s shoulder, and cloths formed around him. Now he was wearing a long green cloak, a green tunic, and white gloves. He looked down at his new cloths and started laughing. The laughed echoed off into the night...


By Kira Sharp on Monday, April 29, 2002 - 3:39 pm:

Message to the Author of Captain West and Fuzzy Logic:
Kira has just told the Whole Truth as she knows it. Just because I am lying doesn't mean she is! She's a character, now, with her own limitations and her own point of view.


By Electron on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 7:44 am:

Sorry for being cruel, guys!


By Kira Sharp on Wednesday, May 01, 2002 - 1:08 pm:

Fuzzy had no right to come in with Kira! I never had a chance to respond to the previous post!


By KAM on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 7:14 am:

JD, what is this Hero Crisis that West keeps mentioning? Has it been mentioned on the boards before because I'm drawing a blank. If it hasn't been mentioned an explanation should be made.
(I can't ask on the story board because I wasn't in the same room when he mentioned it.)


By Jake Dominguez on Thursday, May 02, 2002 - 8:37 am:

Thanks for being observant, KAM! Actually the Hero Crisis is a very recent development on Earth, and it will be covered fully in a LICC-verse story I'm working on. For now, just wait for more details on the story board. ;-)


By KAM on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 8:00 am:

It wasn't Anger so much as Frustration, JD.

We're in the story trying to save our skins, then get told we shouldn't do such a good job of avoiding capture. Frankly it just left me uncertain with what the hell I was supposed to be doing. Just sit around making funny comments, but otherwise let myself be a victim because doing anything else could upset the storyline?

Maybe if you had said, "Fight as well as you can, but you're gonna be captured." it would have been easier to put up an ineffectual fight?

Mainly I'm just wondering 'Why is it important for the authors to be in this storyline?' and without knowing what the payoff is, I have no idea what course of action, or inaction, to take. (Part of the reason I haven't posted a lot lately.)

BTW is GROSS a part of the Department of Superheroics?


By Kira Sharp on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 8:20 am:

Yes.

And (watch me be unobservant) who told who not to fight?


By JD on Friday, May 03, 2002 - 10:52 am:

I was expressing indignance because it seemed too easy that the authors were fighting off the GROSSies.

Yeah, I could've said "You're gonna be captured", and it would have made things easier, but I thought it would open up a whole can of worms, telling people exactly how to run the story and such...

There is no payoff, KAM, just like in real life. :-D


By KAM on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 8:15 am:

What's the point of doing fiction if it's just gonna turn out like real life?

And there has to be a reason for WHY the characters were replaced with authors. The ball of light tested it with Webber, when that worked it replaced the rest of the crew, then it either waited for Rikard to return or it created a 'spell' that would turn any returning characters into their authors. (Should be interesting to see what happens if Observer sets foot on the Spidermobile.)

Why the ball of light did that should be answered at some point.

And personally I think it would play better if the authors solve the problem rather than depending on Observer & whatever other heroes are still around to play the calvary.
(That's not to say that the authors should necesarily beat up the bad guys, but since the authors are the 'brains' of the story they should figure out HOW to solve the problem.)


By JD on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 9:08 am:

Actually, wouldn't you think that the effects of the character/author spell ended just before GROSS took the Spidermobile? Otherwise they'd disappear too and we'd have no story.


By Padawan Observer on Saturday, May 04, 2002 - 10:10 am:

Is there a reason why KAM wants the entire story to be told to him in advance? We're AUTHORS, not actors.


By KAM on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 7:12 am:

YOU may not be an actor, but I have trod the boards & mostly remembered my lines!

And to a degree I do ACT OUT my characters in my mind.

I don't want the entire story told to me in advance, but this whole thing started because we were going along writing it in the good Old Fashioned LICC style (Making it up as we go along) & JD got upset that we were coming off too good. Presumably he has some idea where he wants the story to go.

There are still tricks up my sleeve that I can pull which might tick him off and I don't want to tick anybody off, but if my hands are going to be tied with how well I write a plot twist or action... Well, then there isn't a hell of a lot I can do unless I know what the ultimate goal is.

Basically I see my choices as:
1. Don't post until the storyline is over so I don't rock the boat.
2. Post whatever seems to me to be a good idea. Which may rock the boat.
3. Know what's going on so I can avoid posting things that will rock the boat.

Personally, I would like to have a free hand in posting whatever I want.

But then I'm just a dinosaur when it comes to writing LICC.


By Kira Sharp on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 7:59 am:

Hear, hear!

I vote that people can post whatever they want and the first person to reasonably and plausibly explain the Giant Plot Twist gets a gold star.

But on that note, the Observer may like to know that I'm waiting to respond to a post he hasn't made yet on the story board. J


By JD on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 9:15 am:

Posting whatever is fine, KAM. I wanted the authors captured and so they are.


By ScottN on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 3:29 pm:

KAM, you get another vote for #2.


By Josh M on Sunday, May 05, 2002 - 9:18 pm:

I did the whole "Rikard doesn't turn into author until he gets back to Spidership" mostly because I had mentioned earlier that he had to leave for the funerals of his dead pilots. I didn't want to have Rikard transform into me while still in the fighter. I was hoping that it would be assumed that the character to author transformations were happening only on the Spidership. But you know what happens when you assume...
(Shouldn't we be posting on the new discussion board?)


By Padawan Observer on Monday, May 06, 2002 - 3:28 pm:

I concur with Mr Dominguez and Mr N.


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