LICC4 - The Pre-Discussion

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: L.I.C.C.: League of Intergalactic Cosmic Champions III: The Discussion: LICC4 - The Pre-Discussion
By JD (Jdominguez) on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 1:41 pm:

All right, LICC3's closed and done now folks. LICC4 is not quite yet opened, this'll give us an opportunity to discuss unresolved issues, how far we want to advance the story, so on and so forth. Newbies, feel free to ask any questions you like about any aspect of LICC here.


By ScottN on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 2:52 pm:

Quantum Man's status. I did intend for him to die heroically, but the black hole thing is a convenient way to bring him back if I want to in the future (highly unlikely). Some kind of memorial, etc... would be nice.


By Electron on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 6:43 pm:

QM can always tunnel out with the Hawking radiation.


By ScottN on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 8:42 pm:

I know. That's why I had him fall into the hole. As I said, my itnent was for him to die heroically.


By ScottN on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 8:44 pm:

Complaint dept. Quantum Man was a founding member of the LICC. You'd think they'd show a bit more distress at his apparent demise.


By Josh M on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 9:51 pm:

I don't think that the entire crew has realized that he's dead yet as Snewtipantz's comment seemed to suggest. Once we figure out he's dead, he'll get more distress and mourning.


By ScottN on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 10:20 pm:

How can we? The board's closed.


By ScottN on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 10:22 pm:

I guess what I was objecting to was the abrupt ending... I had a few posts I was going to make, but it just shut down too fast, leaving some things unresolved and unresolvable.


By BF on Sunday, January 26, 2003 - 10:55 pm:

A few things (might have more later):

1. I have no plans to bring Ojanon or Lord of the Hamburgers back anytime soon. Ojanon is off on yet ANOTHER diplomatic mission for the Lifeblood Sorcerors. Not sure how I'm going to explain where LotH is, though. Maybe he came down with a strange illness and had to be put in stasis, or something....Crimson Crossbow I plan to bring back eventually for a storyline I have in mind, but not until then. And Poke-A-Man I only post as when the mood hits me.

2. I plan on bringing Darth Tantrum back at some point.....if I can ever actually get him to launch an attack on LICC before someone else jumps in and does it. By my count, he's been interrupted about five times (three posted, two not).

3. Consider 12 of 10 a character anyone can post as. Sort of like Holodoc. Just keep in mind that she's not quite as unemotional as Seven of Nine, and I reserve the right to fill in her past eventually.....maybe.

4. Soylent Green is PEOPLE!!!!!!


By KAM on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 5:30 am:

It did seem that there could have been a bit more chit-chat amongst people on the bridge. Especially if LICC 4 starts some time after LICC 3. Maybe have a LICC 3: Epilogue board where we can have a memorial service for Quantum Man & Masked Enigma, but no creating new plots for LICC to run off and solve. (Although setting up a future plot might be okay.)

Possibly some of the last posts for board 35 (after the implosion?) could be moved over so it wouldn't be too small a board.


By Sparrow47 on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 12:45 pm:

Well, just a fair warning, whenever you get LICC 4 up and cooking you'll probably have several more posts from a "Concerned K-NIT viewer"...


By ScottN on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 2:29 pm:

Not to mention the Evil Exec, and all the other K-NIT viewers.


By BF on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 3:26 pm:

Yeah, and the return of Chish and Fips!


By Jon Wade on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 3:33 pm:

Will Chish and Fips be offering Soylent Green?


By Brian Webber on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 6:01 pm:

I agree with KAM on that epilouge idea. I feel a smidge cheated, becuase like Scott I had a few posts to make too.


By JD (Jdominguez) on Monday, January 27, 2003 - 8:32 pm:

Hmm, well, sorry folks. I suppose it was a tad premature to close it down just like that. Okay, I'll make that Epilogue board, but let's not let it get too big.


By ScottN on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 12:50 am:

Thank you JD.


By ScottN on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 12:53 am:

Curses! Milkshake stole some of my post plans for the epilogue (science blueshirt). So I decided to show EE's reaction.


By ScottN on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 12:26 pm:

Thanks guys... I'm a tad happier now. As I said, it was just the sudden shutdown that ticked me off...


By Josh M on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 12:41 pm:

LICC3 was kind of a sad chapter of the story. Five deaths (or were there more?) Although three were resurrected...

So, when LICC4 begins, is it going to take place after they have tried, and failed, to rescue QM?


By ScottN on Tuesday, January 28, 2003 - 2:01 pm:

If they have tried, they *WILL* fail. I haven't decided what to do with QM yet. If they want to try, fine.


By Impatient LICC Viewer on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 2:34 am:

So when does the new season begin?!?!


By KAM on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 2:37 am:

I think that LICC 4 should start a few months after the end of LICC 3, say in February or March of 3003 and that things have been surprisingly quiet since then.


By NOT the Bad Singers on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 3:19 am:

When your planet's being terrorized by an army of evil clowns, turning smiles into frowns....LICC 'em!
When badguys have you on the rope, and it looks like there's no hope....LICC `em!
If evil androids are destroying your town, and there's no military anywhere aroun'....LICC `em!


By Hairy Kim on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 3:45 am:

:O


By JD on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 10:05 am:

Probably a good idea advancing things a bit, KAM. The time thing gets so muddled anyway, it'll be nice to have a fresh start.


By Brian Webber on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 2:12 pm:

Yeah, but when should it start in Real Time? Can we at least wait until THFJG Part 15: The Rings is finsihed? It's so close! All I need is a little post from Jason about Ryo-O helping the ship escape, and my Mom's CAoL cameo, and we'll be set! *wishful thinking? maybe*


By JD on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 3:56 pm:

I wouldn't mind waiting a little while, how about the rest of youse guys?


By Sparrow47 on Friday, February 07, 2003 - 8:10 pm:

Well, the longer you wait, the more time there'd be for newbies to get a feel for things, so to speak, before introducing characters.

Not that I know anyone who might be interested...


By Padawan Observer on Saturday, February 08, 2003 - 12:55 am:

My thoughts exactly, Sparrow.

(Warbeak killeee killeee killeee! Crazymouse!)


By KAM on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 6:33 am:

So, what then? A week or so?

Paddy, was that a quote from Redshirtwall? ;-)
"I am that... AAAAAAAaaaaaaa!!!" *thud*


By Kathleen Beach on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 9:30 am:

How about starting on Singlehood Awareness Day?


By Another Redwall fan on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 2:30 pm:

KAM, lol!


By JD on Sunday, February 09, 2003 - 7:01 pm:

Hey!

I have a rather fun idea...don't know if it's workable.

What was that part in LICC1 we never did, 6b?

What if, just for a lark, we actually went and did that 'Lost Mission'? Oh, I know some authors are gone and a lot of new authors would be left out, but just perhaps we could work things out. Perhaps the new authors could play new characters made specially for that part, and old, absent authors/characters could be fairly silent, and referenced only in the narrative...

It would be quite an opportunity, returning back to the old LICC style, trying to recapture it, adding more character development perhaps, and an opportunity for newbies to join in in the old-style LICC fun...

What do y'all think?


By KAM on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 3:23 am:

No.

I don't think it would work. Too many authors are gone. Trying not to avoid the continuity of things that were said to have happened on board VII.

Besides, why do we have to go back to an old storyline to 'recapture' the old-LICC style? (I seriously doubt that it's even possible to recapture the old style.)

I thought you and Padawan were working on a LICCfic about Board VIb anyway?


By Padawan Observer on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 10:38 am:

As a matter of fact, one of Du'gril's lines was closely based on one of Cluny's from the Redwall TV series...

As for VIb, I agree with KAM. It really wouldn't work.


By Padawan Observer on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 10:42 am:

Not to mention that it would be too confusing for newbies.

And has nothing to do with the crew at the time of LICC4. The crew at the time of LICC1 are going into the 47th Century. Those are the only two timeframes that have anything to do with the story.


By JD on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 2:49 pm:

Ok, well, mebbe so.

Anyway, I was thinking that LICC4 would start on Earth (screams of 'Noooooo!' from the anti-Terraites) where the Spider has just been repaired and refitted (new emergency bridge put in, and all that). This'll allow for personnel changes, new characters and a jump-off for a new storyline to start off the show...;-D

How bout that?


By BF on Monday, February 10, 2003 - 2:52 pm:

That'll work. :)


By KAM on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 3:22 am:

Anti-Terraite? Nonsense. Terra was the most interesting character of The New Teen Titans and she... ohhhhh, you mean the planet Earth. ;-)

The problem with Earth was all those bloody storylines where LICC had to keep saving Earth over & over & over again. Once in a while okay, but saving Earth really became an overused cliche.

Hmmmm, if people who don't want stories set on Earth are Anti-Terraites, does that mean that the people who want stories set on Earth are Terraists? ;-)


By Sparrow47 on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 7:00 am:

One thing I'd suggest doing is getting a better idea of just who does what on the Spiderpship, especially in regards to the chain of command. I also think that some characters need to get promotions... Captain Milkshake, anyone?


By Cosmo Kramer on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 9:23 am:

You're all a bunch of anti-Dentites!


By Josh M on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 12:10 pm:

Ah, but then we'd have to stop calling him "Don't-Call-Me-Captain" Milkshake.


By Milkshakian Author on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 12:12 pm:

"Don't-Call-Me-'Don't-Call-Me-Captain'" Milkshake, anyone?


By General Chang on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 12:39 pm:

You can't appreciate Milkshake until you've read him in the original Klingon.


By Wi`lmm S`kaspar on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 12:44 pm:

"taH pagh, taHbe'!"


By R. Lee Ermey on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 6:42 pm:


Quote:

Hmmmm, if people who don't want stories set on Earth are Anti-Terraites, does that mean that the people who want stories set on Earth are Terraists?




That'll be 30 demerits, maggot!


By KAM on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 4:12 am:

Sometimes the problem with the chain of command, Sparrow, is not all authors are online at the right times, so another author must post something instead.

Milkshake was promoted to Captain before Adon & Tacoman's funeral, but JD prefers to still call him Commander Milkshake.

Maybe he should post as Captain Commander Milkshake? ;-)

I think I started the "Don't-Call-Me-Captain" Milkshake line. I was annoyed at how ineffectual a captain he was during the Alt-Earth storyline and referred to him as Commander "Don't-Call-Me-Captain" Milkshake on one of the discussion boards.


By Jon Wade on Wednesday, February 12, 2003 - 8:47 am:

Besides, isn't Commander his rank in the Earth Marines, or whatever military organization he originally belonged to?


By KAM on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 6:49 am:

So any consensus on a start date?


By Jason on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 1:37 pm:

Febuary 31st


By Josh M on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 1:59 pm:

Uh, yeah, that'll work...


By Sparrow47 on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 3:40 pm:

Well, whenever the start date is set at, can I make a request? As I think some of you have figured, I'm planning on bringing in a new character once LICC4 starts. However, I don't just want said character to show up and say "hey, can I join up?" I have some specific exposition things that I need to have happen with him, but they'd be pretty quick- on the order of Milkshake getting a call from some Admiral briefing him on who's about to come aboard, that sort of thing. Is this at all feasible?


By JD on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 4:42 pm:

It certainly is, Sparrow. I was thinking about posting my first Milkshake post right along those lines. It'd help set the stage, I thought.

And how about...next Friday? That alright with you folks?


By Brian Webber on Thursday, February 13, 2003 - 8:13 pm:

Sure.


By KAM on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 4:11 am:

Fine with me.
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And my 47 personalities. (Do they count? ;-)


By Jon Wade on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 7:13 am:

Sounds good to me.
KAM... I don't know, they're your personalities, ask them to count to at least 10 to see if they count :)


By Padawan Observer on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 7:34 am:

Fine with me.


By BF on Friday, February 14, 2003 - 10:25 am:

Okey-Dokey!


By Artsys Author on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 12:17 am:

Sounds fine to me (not sure I'll be post much the first week though, busy times...).


By Nawdle on Saturday, February 15, 2003 - 6:51 pm:

Okay with me.


By Padawan Observer on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 9:36 am:

Something we should remember for LICC4. Action scenes should not be dry and military - they should be *adventures*. Cause that's what LICC's about, isn't it, adventures? And they should not be separate from humorous and 'character' scenes - they can be integrated quite easily.

But not every storyline should be a fight. The recent storylines which have failed (K-NIT crossover, alt-Earth) failed because they didn't have direction, or a threat or villain. They did *not* fail because they weren't action oriented.

Take a look at some of our early stories! The mirror universe, the search for the Holy Nail, the Q quests... they had their share of fighting, that's true, but they weren't the basis for the story. Not every storyline has to be a long, dull battle or a long, dull conversation. Those aren't the only options.

With the new authors, it's very hard to return to our old mindset, as KAM has often said. But even if the stories are pre-planned, even if they have serious elements... if we try to bring some variety into the types of stories we do, that will make LICC4 more like the 'old days' in an easier way. It will also mean we don't run out of ideas so often, and resort to two-month uneventful vacations all the time.

Opinions, anyone?


By JD on Sunday, February 16, 2003 - 4:21 pm:

Good points, Pad. I agree.


By The Observer on Monday, February 17, 2003 - 9:07 pm:

It is true that whenever any one of us comes up with a storyline, we should at least have a concrete villain, or motivation or goal in mind. Otherwise, as Padawan points out, they fail for lack of direction.

And I'd be the first to admit my posts have steadily grown more 'serious' as the years have gone by, and this often conflicts with the 'silly' nature of the show, but there must be a way we can sucessfully integrate both. Padawan's proposal is the best way to do this, I think. Constantly looking for new ideas and variety, whether culled from TV shows and movies or original, will inject a certain vitality into the story.

Come on, the rest of you must have an opinion...


By Sparrow47 on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 3:05 pm:

Good observation, though as a newbie, it'll probably be a while before I can come up with an actual storyline of my own.

As for the Friday start date, bring it on... JD, did you want that Admiral-post thingy to be a dialogue or could it just go in one post?


By JD on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 3:19 pm:

Prolly best if we put it all in one post, Sparrow. If you have your intro idea all ready, go ahead and email me so we can coordinate the post: jakenet_2000@yahoo.com


By Sparrow47 on Tuesday, February 18, 2003 - 5:52 pm:

Done and done.


By KAM on Wednesday, February 19, 2003 - 4:37 am:

we should at least have a concrete villain
AAAAAAAaaaaaah! Run for your lives! It's Sidewalk Man!!! Eeeeeeek!

I think part of the reason why some people are hesitent to throw in ideas or a direction is fear of treading on some other authors toes. I know I've been guilty of losing my temper over someone changing one of my story directions. (And because of my temper I sometimes post on the discussion board when a plot twist of mine has no plan, so people can throw out their own ideas without fear of being yelled at.) And I've been hesitent to throw stuff out for fear of upsetting another's plotline.


By KAM on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 3:26 am:

I suppose one way of looking at it is that LICC is a stewpot and the posters are all chefs tossing in their own ingredients. (Which sometimes upsets someone foolishly trying to follow a recipe. ;-)

Will there be a pre-liftoff countdown? ;-) ;-)


By An annoying talking pre-liftoff countdown on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 9:31 am:

Hi! I'm a 30 second pre-liftoff countdown!
Hi! I'm a 29 second pre-liftoff countdown!
Hi! ...


By Sparrow47 on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 5:07 pm:

Shouldn't the Evil Exec have an early post about restarting the show?


By ScottN on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 6:11 pm:

Sure... Let me know when y'all are ready, and I'll post something here. The mod can then make it the first post over on the LICC4 story board.


By JD on Thursday, February 20, 2003 - 7:52 pm:

Why don't you go ahead and post it, Scott, and I'll put it up tomorra.


By ScottN on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 9:15 am:

Earth to JD...


By JD on Friday, February 21, 2003 - 10:53 am:

Wait for it...wait for it...


By KAM on Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 3:04 am:

I think JD should have moved the posts by Moron, Evil K-NIT TV-47 Executvie, Sleazy Underling, & The Evil Executive´s Evil Secretary over to the storyboard as well. I think having the bomb materialize on Evil E's desk then cutting to the title sequence of the show has a certain humorous appeal.

BTW ScottN, Evil K-NIT TV-47 Executvie? Bit of a tipo? ;-)


By Sparrow47 on Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 11:29 am:

Yeah, but only if before it cuts to the theme song, the EE gasps "It's-" :)


By ScottN on Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 1:28 pm:

It's a typo. Sue me. :)


By ScottN on Saturday, February 22, 2003 - 1:28 pm:

Oh, I agree about the other posts to move as well.