Okay, you folks may or may not be wondering, but Paddy and I have decided to post further Ultimate bits on NitC, rather than compiling them into one big HTML file. One benefit is we can release bits as we complete them, adding to your reading convenience and hedging against us never finishing. Hope you enjoy, and stay tuned.

Is QM going to show up? Just curious... I want to see what you do with him.

He will, Scott, he will. Perhaps in Chapter Two or Three.

I wodner who'll write Ultimate Archangel. And don't say me, beucase if I did it, it would be pretty much the same dang story with more explosions and cussing, and that's not the point. I think.

Somehow part of the story seems to have been lost. Chapter I leaves off before the launch of the Spidermobile, and Chapter II starts wtih Artsy and Morgan bringing the Mysterious Rock into their lab.

Doesn't the beginning of Part II make sense? I thought Part I left off at the discovery of the rock.

Nope. Part I (at least, the one I see) leaves off with Rikard and Frangelica surveying the fighter bay. Although, it does say "incomplete." Maybe the other posts were moved?

I think the other posts are still to be put up...

Indeed. I formatted them all wrong, and so they need to be patched a bit to look nice posted.

And done.

Okay, little preview time here.

Characters slated for debut in Chapter Two:

Adon.
Quantum Man.
Jason Kiehart.
Rocket Ranger.
Jadlad.

Characters slated for debut in Chapter Three!:

Enesku.

Concepts slated for debut in Chapter Two!!!:

Planetary distress call! Blowing up real good! Weird kinda mysticism! Personal quest! Fighters fighters fighters! More wardrobe envy! Pizza!
Dinosaurs! Cheap thrills! Hal Speer!

cough, cough

Sorry. Um, well, some of those will be in there.

Sounds fun.

JD: About Kiehart, may I make a few sugestions?

Since I was kind of forced to make him more powerful than I wanted to, I was hoping that you could do him more like what I originally wanted. The original idea was simply this.

A cross betwen Roland from The Gunslinger, and Bruce Willis' character in Unbreakable. I did not plan for Kiehart to be able to survive in a vacuum. But someobdy tried to break on the Ten Commadnments of LICC and it kind of snowballed from there.

Well, Web, we've already formulated how we want to write Kiehart, but thanks for the suggestions.

Oh, OK. Just, don't make him an idiot or anything.

Oh noooo..., of course not.

Been a while, but I think we're moving again. Stay tuned.

Good to know something LICC is moving.

Well, there's always Chapters 1, 2, and 3 of my LICC re-imagining, available for reading and critqueing at the View Askew board.

P.S. True story: The woman whose input helped fixed some minor errors on chapter 2, offered to have sex with me once.

Cool Brian. I like it. I always like seeing alternate takes on the characters. Especially the more sinister Franks

Thanks Josh. In fact it's going so well I'm actually going to be incredibly bitter when it's done beucase I won't be able to publish it, not even at my own store with my own money. But don't worry, I won't take out my resentment on you guys, I'll just bottle it up until it ferments into a full blown mental illness.

You know, you could post them in the rarely used Fanfics thread in the League board.

Haven't sat down to read it yet although I did scan through it.

Lt. Frist, hmmmm... that seems familiar... ;-)

Was really amused at the the forum asking people to post intelligently then coming across that section in Brian's introduction where he goes off on a tangent to insult some TV shows & other stuff.

Focus, Brian, focus. Going off on tangents weakens the point you are trying to make.

Shouldn't there have been a link to the LICC Archives for those who wanted to compare your version to the original?

And finally *sigh* the complaint.

Posting artwork without permission.

It's not like I'm hard to reach. This is my main haunt on the Internet, after all. You could very easily get in contact with me. Not only is it just plain rude to not get permission before posting, it's a crime. Copyright Infringement. If you're planning to run for office in 2006 you really should become familiar with the law.

Also one of these days you may copy the work of an artist who is not as nice a guy as I am. (Frightening thought, isn't it?)

Since you have posted it, maybe you can add a link to my website http://www.drunkduck.com/The_KAMics/

In future, however, ask first.

Was really amused at the the forum asking people to post intelligently then coming across that section in Brian's introduction where he goes off on a tangent to insult some TV shows & other stuff.

KAM, it's a board where "b!tch, you made me laugh," is a term of endearment. ;-)

Shouldn't there have been a link to the LICC Archives for those who wanted to compare your version to the original?

Well, to be honest the internet wasn't my first choice for formats. I'd actually considered indepently publishing it, then sending copies to all of you guys.

And finally *sigh* the complaint.

Posting artwork without permission.

It's not like I'm hard to reach. This is my main haunt on the Internet, after all. You could very easily get in contact with me. Not only is it just plain rude to not get permission before posting, it's a crime. Copyright Infringement. If you're planning to run for office in 2006 you really should become familiar with the law.

As a matter of fact, I was thinking during a lull at work about adding something to the Intorduction to the effect of giving you credit for the design.

Also, up until I posted it at VA, the only people who'd even seen it were me and my imaginary friends who won't shut up about the violence.

Since you have posted it, maybe you can add a link to my website

Sure, I'll do that. Just click the link to part 1 when you come here tomorrow or whenever.

P.S. Before you flip, understand that if I'd inteneded that to be vicious, do you really think I would've TOLD you to read it? Gimme some credit.

You know, you could post them in the rarely used Fanfics thread in the League board.

I don't know, you've seen how large just the chapters are. There are free fiction websites on the internet, places like Top Write Corner.com that could take it. It'd have to be serialized of course, but I don't have a problem with that.

P.S. What did you think of my rather creative way around the problem of certain technologies having a Star Trek feel to them? Originally I was just oging to have Frangelica flat out reference Star Trek, but decided that "20th and 21st century science fiction" was a better way to go.

Kind of reminds me of an Oglethorpe line from ATHF.

"It's a Fargate! It's not based on that movie I've never seen so how could I copy it?"

New Ult bit.

http://www.fictionpress.com/read.php?storyid=1740722

Now you can read ALL of what I have so far. How cool be that? *wink*

I wasn't pissed. I was annoyed.

And the moral was "If you had gotten permission in the first place, then I wouldn't have gotten annoyed in the second place."

How could I sue you? You don't have any money. Or do you mean Sue you in the sense of me taking some hedge clippers, a little snippetty-do dah, & you change your name to Sue Webber?

Hmmmm................... where in Denver did you say you lived?

On the plus side I was just at Drunk Duck & my site jumped from limbo to #7 on their Top 30 list so quite a few people must have clicked the link.

On the plus side I was just at Drunk Duck & my site jumped from limbo to #7 on their Top 30 list so quite a few people must have clicked the link.

I looked at it. Don't care much for the Rockhound stuff (because I'm not into that), but nice site.

(The Ask Dr. KAMs were pretty good, though.)

Umm, KAM, I wonder if the `Report Possible Abuse' thing would be an option?...

Webber, I'm not happy you didn't get my permission to use my characters, either. Generally, I have no problem with it if its something that's only posted at Nitcentral, but for anything else, I'd prefer to be asked.

And frankly, if anything mentioning me as one of the creators is posted outside of LICC itself (or the Archives), I'd rather be credited as an alias than my real name (for personal reasons). I generally use the name GhostMachine. (yes, its one word, and the capital M isn't a typo)

KAM: I wasn't pissed. I was annoyed.

1: By Brian Webber on Sunday, October 17, 2004 - 02:57 am:

P.S. Before you flip, understand that if I'd inteneded that to be vicious, do you really think I would've TOLD you to read it? Gimme some credit.

2: At the VA board, when you post something in orange, it means the statement is sarcastic. "And boy is he pissed" was in orange.

BF: Well, okay I'll change it to GhostMachine (can I just change it to BF? It seems less, silly), but I think you're overreacting. It's not as if I tried to take credit for your characters.

Now, not to put any pressure or anything, but could I get some feedback on the actual STORY?

Hasn't come up for me yet, but Please ask for permission before using QM, Quartermaster, or EE.

If you do use them (after asking me), credit me as ScottN. Period.

Thanks BF.

BTW next week will have 3 science fiction strips. Then a run of experimental strips is planned. Then, hopefully a run of superhero strips sometime in November.

What would 'Report Possible Abuse' be an option for?

Brian since I don't usually go to VA I couldn't know that about the orange.

Well, my LICCFics are on the back burner for now.
The Mr. Obvious/Mr. Absurd one has a Heliotrope cameo.
The Marissa & Steven one mentions LICC & Milkshake, but they don't appear.
The Funky Horror rewrite does feature other people's characters in major & supporting roles (couldn't be avoided, frankly).

Unlike Ultimate LICC I do try to keep the characters as close to their author's vision as possible.

When (if?) I get back to those stories would anyone have problems with me writing their characters?

Oh, the stories would go to the LICC Archives not anywhere else on the net, if that makes a difference.

Hasn't come up for me yet, but Please ask for permission before using QM, Quartermaster, or EE.

EE? As for QM? He's already "in" the story, sort of.

If you do use them (after asking me), credit me as ScottN. Period.

I was honestly hoping for feedback on the story, but so far it's all been about the "cover" and the Intro.

Brian since I don't usually go to VA I couldn't know that about the orange.

That's my fault. I just assumed you'd seen my post in the main Sink where I'd suggested that we adopt a similar policy towards sarcasm. Sorry. I realy should know better by now.

When (if?) I get back to those stories would anyone have problems with me writing their characters?

Not at all. Just don't make Kiehart a Republican and I'll be happy.

EE is the evil executive.

Personally, I don't have any problem with anyone using Rikard. Anyone can do whatever they want with him. In fact, I like seeing different takes on the character. It's fun.

Just don't make Kiehart a Republican
Whoops! Now I have to rewrite that scene where he goes back in time and votes for George W.

When (if?) I get back to those stories would anyone have problems with me writing their characters?

Nope. Go right ahead, if you're using any of mine.

Btw, regarding my characters, if anyone wants to use Rocket Ranger, Wayne, Kent, Ojanon, Ensign Snewtipantz, Poke-A-Man, or 12 of 10 in fanfics, I generally have no problem with it.

But Lord of the Hamburgers and his crew, Randall (Spork Knight) Rocket, Quincy's wife (haven't used her in so long I don't remember her name offhand, and I don't have my notes handy), and the Wytch Queen crew are strictly off limits without asking me first and explaining what you want to use them for.

The ONLY character I don't want anyone using at all is Darth Tantrum.

If used, Kent can't be injured in the fanfic. There's a reason why, and I plan on explaining it eventually. (And no, he's not an alien or android)

And it goes without saying that the Crimson Crossbow should only be used in fanfics that take place when she was still around.

Scott, we had planned to use Quantum Man in Chapter Two or Three (possibly as a recurring character), but as with the rest of the Ultimate characters, his backstory and personality may be different. Is that all right?

EE is the Evil Executive

Oh, well, Scott need not worry. I hadn't even thought about considering maybe putting him anywhere in the story.

And it goes without saying that the Crimson Crossbow should only be used in fanfics that take place when she was still around.

You don't mind my using her in my story do you? I mean, granted she hasn't done much yet, but there's still a ton of story to go.

You don't mind my using her in my story do you? I mean, granted she hasn't done much yet, but there's still a ton of story to go.

To tell you the truth, I haven't actually read it yet. I just skimmed through it to see if you were using any of my characters.

I'll let you know how I feel after I read it, which will probably be sometime tomorrow.

OK. Oh, it hasn't been placed on Fiction press yet, but in the text file saved on my PC, I changed your "name" to BF, and Scott's to ScottN, per your requests.

I've also started colaberating on a comedy story about a guy who runs for President in order to get Secret Service protection from the mobsters he owes money too. Note: That's just the thumbnail, it's really better than it sounds.

BF - And it goes without saying that the Crimson Crossbow should only be used in fanfics that take place when she was still around.
Hmmm... but since my Funky Horror rewrite is set in a parallel universe (LICC B) she might not have quit there like she did in the canonical universe (LICC A).

I haven't decided if she will appear or not, but since she appeared in an early Funky Horror post I was considering it.

BTW ScottN, in the LICC B universe the Amazing Quantum Man did not sacrifice himself in the dark matter incident. I hope that's okay.

Also there seems to be slight inconsistancy between QM's powers as he describes them on the Phantom Returns boards & the way they later tended to be written.

KAM, if you want to use CC in a parallel universe story, go right ahead.

KAM, his powers and his understanding of them evolved over time.

Yeah, it's OK to use QM (and the LICC Quartermaster). Like I said, I just wanted someone to ask first

And remember, the credit is "ScottN".

I skimmed over what has been posted over there the other day and I'll read it in full over the weekend. But I really liked what little I did read.

Brian, I've never had a problem with you (or anyone else here for that matter) using any of my characters in a fic or two...or three...or forty-seven if you want to.

But I would like my name changed to Nawdle since that's the one I'm used to using here and feel most comfortable with.

Uh, OK. Which name are you again? Also, did I actually use any of your characters? To be perfectly honest, I'm not sure who originally belonged to whom anymore.

Greg Brookshier

I didn't notice any of my characters offhand, so you may not have. But it's cool if you did Brian, like I said I just skimmed over it.

I was just generally saying that about my characters (Jadlad, his sister Alison, the Brady triplets, Badlad and so on) so that you and everyone else would know it's okay by me if you want to use them in fics.

Oh, OK. I'll change that (the next update doesn't go the website for awhile but it will be changed on the text document I assure you.

Although I must confess I don't think I've used ANY of your characters, not even in the "past tense" like I did with Quantum Man and Professor Negative (in my story, both are deceased, which IIRC they are in the "actual" LICC-verse as well).

Neither are for certain.

Snick: Ah. Well, in my story they defiantely are dead. Inf act QM's death has a major impact on the story, even though we never atcually "see" it happen, kinda like Bruce Willis's in The Sixth Sense (we never actually see him die. We see the before, and the after, but not the during).

More coming.

Hey BF, how come I never got your review? No pressure or anything but I WANT IT NOW! *LOL*

OK guys. I might not need to do this, since A) I mention that it's not entirely opriginal material and 2) some of you go to VoU anyway, but I'm asking anyway.

Can I, one finished chapter at a time, start posting my LICC novel (yep, I've decided to go full length on this one, come hell or high water) at Voices of Unreason ala Richard Davidson's Welcome To Percotran?

I don't mind. Don't make any money off of it. ;-)

JD, VoU is Mark Morgan's site for writers.

JD: What if someone loves the story so much they feel they just have to give me money? ;-) Should I just settle for [removed by Roving Mod]?

Um, hmmm, guess I'll have to speculate about what he said. Uh, sure, go ahead.

I know, Scott. I was being facetious.

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Okay, the story is posted at Unreason. That said, if any of the original creators of the characters have a concern let me know immediately.

I know Mark. I wrote that. It's called a joke.

Main Entry: 1joke
Pronunciation: 'jOk
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin jocus; perhaps akin to Old High German gehan to say, Sanskrit yAcati he asks
1 a : something said or done to provoke laughter; especially : a brief oral narrative with a climactic humorous twist b (1) : the humorous or ridiculous element in something (2) : an instance of jesting : KIDDING c : PRACTICAL JOKE d : LAUGHINGSTOCK
2 : something not to be taken seriously : a trifling matter -- often used in negative construction

Man, I'm just an insufferable smart-ass ain't I? Bugs Bunny would be proud.

Ah, see, had Mark not said that, I wouldn't have realized.

So, Roving Mods aren't allowed to edit messages, eh? That true for all mods?

Roving Mods are not allowed to edit messages, because the message in question might not necessarily occur on any boards we moderate. That's why we Dump messages, instead of editing.

Topic moderators can edit or dump or delete. That's their job. Ours is to move questionable or inappropriate material. That's it (which is also why we don't have deleting powers).

Word up.
Everybody say
My LICC story is now over 30,000 words in length.
Hoo-ray!

Just remember.

It's not the number of words you use, it's how you use them that counts. ;-)

Brian,

For various reasons, which I'm sure you can figure out, I withdraw my permission for you to use Quantum Man, the Quartermaster, and the Evil Executive.

Thank you.

ScottN

I've unpublished the story. It's still at Unreason, and I'll put it back into published status when you have rewritten it to remove those characters.

Mark, if you see the post at Unreason, I gave permission for stuff posted as of 1145 or some such time.

Two of those characters were never in the story to begin with and the other one is only mentioned posthumously. I addressed this point at VoU.

Yeah, Scott, I misunderstood your use of the word "sanctioned".