Two Cathedrals

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: The West Wing: Season 2: Two Cathedrals
Bartlet feels rather like the Biblical Job, wondering what he's done to deserve such punishment.
By Hannah F. (Cynicalchick) on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 - 4:43 pm:

Here's what Bartlet said in Latin:"The first is just a sarcastic, "Thanks a lot, buddy!"
gratias tibi ago, domine.
Thank you, Lord.

haec credam a deo pio, a deo justo, a deo scito?
Am I to believe these things from a righteous god, a just god, a wise god?
cruciatus in crucem
To hell with your punishments!(literally "(put/send) punishments onto a cross")
tuus in terra servus, nuntius fui; officium perfeci
I was your servant, your messenger on the earth; I did my duty.
cruciatus in crucem -- (with a dismissive wave of the hand) eas in crucem
To hell with your punishments!
And to hell with you!
(literally, "may you go to a cross")"

lifted from several places online, namely The WW Continuity Guide


By Adam Bomb on Thursday, August 01, 2002 - 10:36 am:

This ep was repeated last night (7/31/02.) I think this was the last one shown in 4:3 ratio. WW went to letterbox in its third season.


By Callie on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 3:05 am:

Much as I loved this episode (and this series!) I did find my first obvious nit. Near the end when the door blows open again, why was no security guy outside? When the President's in the Oval Office, there's always, but ALWAYS security outside but this time there wasn't a soul out there. It annoyed me that this seemed to be done purely for plot convenience.

Also, I did have to wonder whether anyone would vote again for the President if they knew that he talks to ghosts!!


By Matthew Patterson (Mpatterson) on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 6:50 am:

Also, I did have to wonder whether anyone would vote again for the President if they knew that he talks to ghosts!!

Considering Nancy Reagan's reported fascination with astrology, and repeated attempts on the part of the Carter children to contact the ghost of President Lincoln with a Ouija board... well, I doubt they'd think much of it.


By Hannah F. (Cynicalchick) on Monday, August 19, 2002 - 10:10 pm:

The song they used in here has always been one of my favorites: Dire Straits, "Brothers in Arms."


By Callie on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 2:48 am:

Watching this episode a second time is actually more powerful than watching it the first. Knowing what was coming at the end, especially Leo’s almost joyful expression as he turns towards the President while saying to Toby, “Watch this,” made me very tearful in advance. Also, the first time around I hadn’t remembered that Mrs Landingham had already used the phrase “... then, God, Jed, I don’t wanna know you,” earlier in the episode.
Really nice touch: the President refuses to wear a raincoat, so Charlie takes his off. But I do have to wonder why nobody was waiting with an umbrella when Jed got out the car at the other end.


By Art Vandelay on Tuesday, August 20, 2002 - 6:38 am:

'Brothers in Arms' was a great choice for the end scene. Also one of my favourites.


By Lee Jamilkowski (Ljamilkowski) on Wednesday, July 07, 2004 - 8:52 am:

NOAA: As far as I know (although, someone correct me if I'm wrong), everyone pretty much pronounces it "Noah". But in this episode, President Bartlet says each letter: "En Oh Eh Eh".


By Hannah F., West Wing/C&J Moderator (Cynicalchick) on Wednesday, April 06, 2005 - 12:01 am:

*faints*

Oh...man...

Another good touch is Old Glory waving in the tempest as it shows Bartlet preparing to answer.


By Jesse on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 12:10 pm:

I know I spend my time here ragging on Sorkin and the others. I wouldn't do it for a show I didn't dearly love. But I'm here now to offer praise to them: NICE TOUCH! There's a tiny little scene, when Leo & Bartlet leave the Sit Room after Bartlet orders Adm. Fitzwallis down to Haiti. The pair passes a Marine, who doesn't salute. Normally, every time Bartlet walks by a Marine on guard, they salute him. But not this time. Why? Because, you'll notice, this Marine doesn't have a hat on. If a Marine is neither wearing a hat or bearing arms, s/he does NOT salute. Most of the Marines we see in the White House do not carry arms, though they're trained in unarmed combat and carry swords (with the exception of the Marine that Leo imports to dazzle that one FTC commissioner whose name escapes me). Now, why he isn't wearing a hat is another issue....But that aside, the fact that he was uncovered and didn't salute shows that Sorkin did his homework.

And, though I've ragged on Sorkin's dialogue in the past, I have to admit that he's one of the few people on the planet (Tom Clancy, the writing staff at Time, my friend Darren, among the other few) who can make political discussions riveting. (If this sounds like a mea culpa, I guess it is. I realize that I'm beginning to sound like a tuba that only plays one note, and my criticisms are meant to be light in nature. When it comes down to it, this show was the TV highlight of my week for 5-2/3 years, being that I didn't start watching it until about 1/3 of the way through S2.) I would support this show if it continued for another three two-term administrations, I don't care. I wish that NBC would give us, if not a series, then a movie. Why not? Have a movie in which President Santos has to defuse a major crisis, and he calls on former President Bartlet to be his negotiator. You could work everyone in, even Toby. But we're getting off topic....Hey Hannah, a board for a West Wing movie, by chance?


By Jesse on Thursday, August 31, 2006 - 12:28 pm:

In the above-mentioned briefing, Dr. McNally says that the Haitians have "405mm howitzers" that are "trained at the embassy door." This is actually twice in two episodes, during the discussion of the Haitian situation, that an incorrect dimension is given. A howitzer is a type of artillery piece that fires at a very high angle, so that it can fly above hills, trees, ridgelines, walls, etc. The high arc gives it a shorter range. Now, the largest howitzer the US Army ever fielded was the M110 self-propelled howitzer (think of a tank but instead of a tank's short-range gun designed to take out armored targets it has a huge cannon mounted). The M110 has an 8", or 203mm barrel. A 405mm howtizer would have a barrel 15-15/16" (almost 16") in diameter. This is the size of the large guns aboard a WWII-era battleship, and only 15mm smaller than Germany's famous "Big Bertha" guns. Such guns had to be moved by rail, making them completely impractical. Also, there's no way that Haiti would have this. It'd be like San Diego buying a couple aircraft carrier battle groups to serve as harbor patrol boats.

The other issue occurred in the previous episode, when Dr. McNally (I think) cited the M2 Bradley APC (Armored Personnel Carrier) as having a 120mm chain gun. The M2 and M3 Bradleys carry two types of repeating guns: a 25mm chain gun (a heavy machine gun that is externally powered, rather than relying on the recoil of the fired bullet) and a 7.62mm light machine gun. There is NO 120mm chain gun; that size is actually on par with a tank's cannon.


By ScottN on Sunday, September 03, 2006 - 12:21 pm:

I suspect that they meant 105MM.


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