A ROSE IN THE ASHES

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: Andromeda: Season One: A ROSE IN THE ASHES

By Triggins (Triggins) on Monday, October 30, 2000 - 4:46 pm:

Dylan and Rommie are seperated from the rest of the crew and are forced into exile on a prison planet.


By TomM on Saturday, December 02, 2000 - 5:21 pm:

So if Rommie's "ship made flesh" body is an android, how is it that much different from her robot avatars, other than cosmetically. If she is mechanical and does not eat and recharges herself from Jessa's crude voltaic cell battery, why is it that Harper, and apparently Andromeda herself treat it as both the "real" Rommie, something separate from the ship's AI and it's ultimate avatar.

Right now I think that the writers are a little confused themselves about the whole issue, but it may have the potential of exploring sensitive issues concerning sentience, and AI, just as Data and holocharacters, especially the EMH have on occasion (when they had good writers) in the Star Trek oeuvre


By Dustin Westfall on Monday, December 04, 2000 - 12:49 am:

Just wasting the weekend away when I saw that this was on. I noticed a few nits.

Apparently whatever Trance's race is, their skin coloring is consistent, except around the eyes. (When Trance is speaking to the two Rommies, it looks like the makeup doesn't cover the area around the actresses eyelids. Odd, I remember no such problems on other shows).

When they are attempting to figure out which of the hundreds of prison colonys Dylan is on, Trance suggests the pretty one near the edge. Tyrr objects to the reasoning, but can come up with no other suggestions. How about this: given the supposed destination of the prison transport, start working outward. That would be the quickest, most efficient search pattern. How could the tactician in Tyrr not see this?

When the local tough runs in to rescue her sister, the warden-android snaps her neck quite efficiently. Yet, after the crisis is over, she is still alive enough to speak her last words. Forgive me, but doesn't snapping someone's neck cause at least near-instantaneous death? Shouldn't she be dead by the time she hits the floor?

The warden-android wasn't too bright. While there is someone working at a console behind him that, at the very least, could be damaging some very sensitive equipment, he stands and taunts Hunt with the fact that he can't hurt him with the blaster.

It's a bit on the absurd side that Rommie can, by flipping a couple of switches, make the warden-android's head explode. Does the prison use Voyager's IFOS?


By Keith Alan Morgan (Kmorgan) on Monday, December 04, 2000 - 2:44 am:

Andromeda discovers the plumes of the rockets seconds before they hit??? Great early warning system.

So where did Jessa get the glasses? Were they made in prison, were they taken from a dead inmate, are they prescription?

If outside tech is illegal in the prison, then why was Rommie put inside? Wouldn't a check determine that she's an android?

They follow the transport's route to discover no planets. Shouldn't Andromeda's star chart have shown there was no planet there before they even left?

Why take the Eureka Maru down instead of one of Andromeda's fighters?

Kayley's neck was snapped, but later she moves her head around. Wouldn't nerve damage and/or the shifted vertebrae make that difficult?
On a related note (& relevant to Dustin's question) I once met a woman who had had her neck broken, twice, in her life. One thing I noticed was that when she turned to look at something she turned with her body, not her neck. (Although that may have been a side affect of the way her neck healed.)

At the end Jessa is telling Dylan that they are going to turn the planet around. Excuse me? Wasn't it mentioned earlier that prisons were a Business? Wouldn't the company send someone out to check on the prisons every now & then to ensure they are running the way they were designed to?

I wonder if Dylan checked to see if anything could be done to finish the terraforming?


By ScottN on Monday, December 04, 2000 - 9:20 am:

Apparently whatever Trance's race is, their skin coloring is consistent, except around the eyes. (When Trance is speaking to the two Rommies, it looks like the makeup doesn't cover the area around the actresses eyelids. Odd, I remember no such problems on other shows).

Are you referring to other Andromeda eps? Or other shows in general. If so, I refer you to the Cardassians.


By Newt on Monday, December 04, 2000 - 12:07 pm:

I kinda thought that the area around Trance's eyes looked different because she wore alien eye shadow or something. And besides, she is alien, who is to say that her coloration would be consant, I know mine isn't.


By Psiberian on Saturday, December 09, 2000 - 5:17 pm:

I must admit that I was very disappointed by this episode, and just when I thought this show was really starting to improve...
There were lots of noticeable nits in this episode, not the least of which was the girl whose neck had been broken, not just moving, but actually TWISTING her head up too look at her sister. (I know it's already been mentioned, but it was VERY obvious)
However, the biggest disappointment of this episode for me was the handling of the Trance Gemini plotline. One of the greatest parts of the episode "Angel Dark, Demon Bright" was at the very end, when I suddenly realized that Trance had subtly -very subtly- been masterminding the events of the entire episode. The sudden revelation that she was MUCH more then she seemed to be was a VERY cool moment. This episode, however, wasn't subtle at all. I mean, come on, between pointing out the correct planet and the coin flipping thing at the end, the writers might as well have just posted a big sign during the end credits saying "In case you didn't notice..."
Oh well, I guess that expecting this show to have a long, subtle, B5-like underlying plotline is probably too much to ask....


By Anonymous on Sunday, December 10, 2000 - 10:49 pm:

Never mind turning your head with your neck SNAPPED like a poor chicken and then talking - this kind of thing kills you quite instantly because you severe the spinal chord - what about raising your hand for a final farewell to your sister!


By Keith Alan Morgan (Kmorgan) on Tuesday, December 12, 2000 - 12:40 am:

My dad grew up on a farm & he would snap a chicken's neck by quickly stretching the neck. (Kind of like how you might take a folded over belt then pull quickly to make a loud clap.)

The Warden twisted her neck like a bottle cap.

Also severing the spinal cord does not necessarily result in instant death. Eye witnesses at beheadings have reported that, in some cases, the eyes look around, and the mouth moves as if trying to make a sound. Death in those cases is oxygen deprivation to the brain.


By Jessica on Monday, March 26, 2001 - 11:14 pm:

Psiberian--I think Trance called "Tails" every time she flipped the coin, and it came up two different ways. Not sure what that means, but it's less loud than the shouting you were thinking of.


By Jessica on Sunday, April 08, 2001 - 2:15 pm:

Oops--just saw the end of this again. You're right--she does call the coin correctly each time.


By Lee Jamilkowski (Ljamilkowski) on Tuesday, December 18, 2001 - 12:38 am:

Dataport date: 6.10-6.19.10087


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