This is the title to the episode that aired last night.

The only thing I can really say is this: mmmFaith!

So Angelus thought that killing the Beast would
restore the sun was only a "retarded dream" of
Angel's;but the question is HOW did Angel know
before turning back into Angelus that killing the Beast would be what would restore the sun?Was his
dream a message of sorts from TPTB?

Obviously the knife that the other inmate was trying to kill Faith with had some sort of significance.Will it be coming up in any later eps.?

Evil Cordie kissing the Beast...as Good Cordie would say:Eeeewwww!

I don't think we're intended to think that Angel's "retarded dream" was actually prophetic; it's probably just a coincidence.

For the significance of the knife, watch Buffy. It's a crossover.

>HOW did Angel know
before turning back into Angelus that killing the Beast would be what would restore the sun?<

He read the script!

Also, it will be very interesting to see if we see Dawn's side of the conversation on Buffy. I mean Dawn getting a call from Angel asking if her sister was home and then hanging up after the answer. that would probably be a little strange to the Scooby Gang

It's great to see Faith back. I just knew she would have to show up Connor at one point. I loved that scene.


Faith will be arriving in Sunnydale after her third Angel ep. Hopefully, his soul will either be back. That would be weird. Two shows, both with slayers and both with soulful vamps (2 blondes and 2 brunettes)

I thought that Wes's vision of Lilah was interesting. I'm guessing that it was all in his head but at first I was getting some impressions of the First from Buffy. While it's possible that it could be the First (I doubt it though) she did touch him. However, the First, in the form of Drusilla, also touched Spike in Lessons, the season premiere so it may not really be touching them.

First Angel. Then Connor. Then the Beast. Geez, when Cordy's evil and possessed (at least, I hope she's possessed), she sure is busy with the guys.

I was a big fan of Wes's test of Faith's ability. Smooth.

I'm kind of disappointed that the Beast has been killed off though. Oh well, we still have Angelus.

Did anyone else get the feeling that Angel just might still be faking being Angelus after getting his soul back? After all, Lorne did sense it was back. I'm a bit confused but then that's what Whedon does best: pouring all these red herrings on us so we'll think one'll happen when in fact something else entirely different does, such as thinking one character is good until it's revealed that s/he's actually not.

My guess is that Cordy somehow made Lorne believe that he read a soul.

While it's possible that it could be the First (I doubt it though) she did touch him. However, the First, in the form of Drusilla, also touched Spike in Lessons, the season premiere so it may not really be touching them. - Josh M

Okay, let's put this issue to rest: the First is not the villain on Angel. There's a very good reason why it can't be...

Buffy and Angel air on two different networks, so it's impossible to coordinate the storylines so specifically, as each network has its own airdate schedules. Furthermore, while Angel is a spin-off of Buffy, not everyone who watches it has seen Buffy. There are undoubtedly fans who tuned in to Angel not really knowing that it was a Buffy spin-off... or they knew and simply liked Angel better. Lastly (and probably the most pertinent), not everyone who receives the WB receives UPN and vice versa. There are markets all over the country that only gets one of the two. To have a storyline cross over from one network to the other would be entirely too confusing to those who can only watch one.


Did anyone else get the feeling that Angel just might still be faking being Angelus after getting his soul back? After all, Lorne did sense it was back. I'm a bit confused but then that's what Whedon does best: pouring all these red herrings on us so we'll think one'll happen when in fact something else entirely different does, such as thinking one character is good until it's revealed that s/he's actually not. - MarkN

While I do think there are a couple of yet-to-be-revealed twists, I do not think Angel is faking being Angelus. Primarily because it would be a big "been there/done that," as Angel has faked being Angelus before. Whedon isn't well-known for repeating old tricks. That would be Berman and Braga.

As to why Lorne sensed Angel having a soul... if memory serves, Lorne's actual dialogue said that his aura was completely different, not that he had a soul... and certainly not that he had Angel's soul. I've considered the possibility that somehow, the real Cordie is trapped inside Angel. Angelus sings "Raindrops Keep Falling On My Head." Has Cordie ever sung that in the past?

Buffy and Angel air on two different networks, so it's impossible to coordinate the storylines so specifically, as each network has its own airdate schedules. Furthermore, while Angel is a spin-off of Buffy, not everyone who watches it has seen Buffy. There are undoubtedly fans who tuned in to Angel not really knowing that it was a Buffy spin-off... or they knew and simply liked Angel better. Lastly (and probably the most pertinent), not everyone who receives the WB receives UPN and vice versa. There are markets all over the country that only gets one of the two. To have a storyline cross over from one network to the other would be entirely too confusing to those who can only watch one.

Why is it so hard to have parallel storylines? Both shows have many of the same people running them (well, a few.) And the scheduling obviously isn't too much of a problem since Faith will appear on both shows, Willow is going to show up on Angel next week, and Angel is going to appear in Buffy's finale.

Whedon isn't well-known for repeating old tricks.

You mean like a main character having an identicle double or evil twin? Or the family of the newest character to arrive in town to take her home?

Why is it so hard to have parallel storylines? - Josh M

I gave a list of reasons why I feel that parallel storylines would be difficult, if not impossible, but you only make an argument against one of those reasons...

"Furthermore, while Angel is a spin-off of Buffy, not everyone who watches it has seen Buffy. There are undoubtedly fans who tuned in to Angel not really knowing that it was a Buffy spin-off... or they knew and simply liked Angel better. Lastly (and probably the most pertinent), not everyone who receives the WB receives UPN and vice versa. There are markets all over the country that only gets one of the two. To have a storyline cross over from one network to the other would be entirely too confusing to those who can only watch one."

Making an argument against one doesn't discount the others.

I didn't say that I was arguing against the others.

I guess we'll find out eventually.

I didn't say that I was arguing against the others. - Josh M

Sorry. But your quoting all my material and then following it with your question and a counter-argument to my first reason suggested to me that it was meant to address all the reasons I mentioned.

Why couldn't it be the First? Like anything is making sense on Angel now? Heck, for all we know it could be the Cheeseman from Restless and it would still all make sense.

It's not the First.

I think Cordy was possessed after she slept with Connor and the baby started to develop.

I checked the spoilers. I only wish it was blind men with robes.

I am one of these people who watches Angel but has never seen Buffy. Can someone give me some background on Faith? Why was she in prison? She says for murder. Who did she murder & why? Why did Wes think she was the only one who could possibly bring Angelus in alive? Any background would be helpful.

Okay, let's see here.

In the last episode of Season 1, Buffy died for a few minutes. Upon her death, a new slayer, Kendra was activated. Kendra dies at the end of Season 2 and so Faith became the next slayer. She arrived in Sunnydale in Season 3 while fleeing some really old, really tough vamp. Faith was a little more of a "bad girl" and a loner than Buffy. She liked to party, get in trouble, and was wilder than Buffy. Eventually, she accidentally kills Sunnydale's deputy mayor, an apparently "innocent" person, and decides that she likes murder. She turns evil, joins the town's evil mayor and decides to kill Angel with a poisoned arrow. Finding out that if Angel drinks the blood of a Slayer, all of it, he'll survive the poison, Buffy tries to kill Faith and bring her to Angel for him to feed on. She stabs Faith, but Faith escapes and ends up in a coma for a six months.

After waking up, she tries to get revenge on Buffy, but after sleeping for several months she's very conflicted. She runs away, ends up in L.A. and tries to kill Angel (Season 1 of Angel). She has an epiphany while there and turns herself in for the murder of the deputy mayor.

Wesley probably thought that she would help because she is a Slayer and she is the only one strong enough to do so.

And maybe he knows that Buffy is having her own problems.


You can try here:
http://www.buffyguide.com/players/faith.php

Josh,
Thanks for the information about Faith.

And for your info, the reason I watch Angel & not Buffy is because I read that Angel has a lot of themes of redemption, restitution, and self-sacrifice, and I am interested in those topics. I started watching it about the time when they found Fred in the alternate dimension (which I think was near the end of the 3rd season.)

Thanks again.

Second Season, but who's counting?

Also, while I don't exactly expect the two shows to merge together, it's not impossible for them to cross-fertilise. Remember last year when fandom got it into its head that they weren't even allowed to say 'Buffy' on Angel? Then, after avoiding her name for most of 3.1, there's a scene where her name's said, like, ninety times or something.