What the ACTUAL ••••? Arizona is going to use actual ••••••• Zyklon B to execute people:
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/06/01/arizona-gas-chamber-execution/
And this is Biden related how?
It's as related to any topic as any other Judi/Natalie post.
These posts belong here, not in the Joe Biden thread. So I have thus moved them.
One thing the Biden administration could, and should, do is repeal capital punishment at the federal level. There is no reason for it to exist in this day and age.
Isn't it up to the States to do that. Some have abolished it.
And how about Death's Row. Richard Allen Davis, the guy that killed Polly Klaas, was sentenced to death in 1996. 25 years later, that guy is still sucking air.
If the condemned is guilty beyond all shadows of a doubt, get rid of them as soon as possible (like Nuremberg, where the war criminals were hung only a few weeks after being sentenced). Our overpopulated planet will not be a sorrier place with them gone from it.
If the condemned is guilty beyond all shadows of a doubt, get rid of them as soon as possible...
Oklahoma City bomber Timothy McVeigh was executed in 2001, for the 1995 bombing of the Alfred P. Murrah Federal Building. Which killed 168, including children in the building's day care center. Justice quickly dispensed. In my opinion, he deserved every ounce of whatever flowed through his veins on the execution table. McVeigh's partner in crime, Terry Nichols, is still "sucking air", as the jury deadlocked on sentencing him to death. Nichols did receive consecutive life sentences, so he'll never see daylight from outside the Supermax prison he is housed at.
DNA has since left several executed men presumed innocent. Since they are dead they can’t be given a new trial and found innocent by the law. You cannot take back a mistake with the death penalty.
It’s a barbaric, pointless punishment. Innocent people have died because of it and it does not act as a deterrent in the slightest. But of course ‘Murica loves it. Yee haaaw!! Weird how the same people who bleat about compassion are the first ones happy to inject someone who they think shouldn’t be “sucking air”. A lifetime in prison with no chance of parole is a perfectly good solution.
Isn't it up to the States to do that. Some have abolished it.
In the American system, federal law overides state law. For instance, there have been many states legalizing the use of canabis in one way or another, but Washington could at any time invalidate all those laws and there's nothing the states could do about that, except taking their chances in the Supreme Court. So if Washington decided to put an end to capital punishment, the states would have to abide.
One article says that one American attorney that handles capital murder cases gave his office address as Kelly’s Keg, the local pub. Another capital murder attorney justified his habit of sleeping through trials as an afternoon nap for an old man.
Weird how the same people who bleat about compassion are the first ones happy to inject someone who they think shouldn’t be “sucking air”.
I have no compassion for monsters like Richard Allen Davis and Timothy McVeigh.
When Nicolae and Elena Ceausescu got their Christmas gift on December 25th, 1989, they got what they deserved, IMO. At least it was quick for them, unlike the countless people that were tortured and killed under their rule.
In the American system, federal law overrides state law.
Except States can get very fussy in they see the Feds encroaching on their lawn.
there's nothing the states could do about that, except taking their chances in the Supreme Court.
Or they could choose the option they chose in 1861.
One article says that one American attorney that handles capital murder cases gave his office address as Kelly’s Keg, the local pub. Another capital murder attorney justified his habit of sleeping through trials as an afternoon nap for an old man.
Links please.
I have no compassion for monsters like Richard Allen Davis and Timothy McVeigh.
And therein lies the problem. What they did was undoubtedly heinous and horrible, but does killing them make you a better person? And for every Allen and Timothy, how many innocent people have died?
Here are some of the arguments pro-capital punishment people make:
1) It's cheaper to kill them than to keep them alive in a prison.
Yes it is. But basing a decision about whether a person lives or dies should not be a matter of finances. Also consider where thet are being housed. Are they in a five-star hotel or a maximum security prison?
2) Yeah but what if we are REALLY certain they did it?
Unfortunately there have been too many examples where someone who has been executed because everyone was REALLY certain have proven to be false. There is no foolproof system, stopping short of a confession.
3) What if it was YOUR kid/loved one who died?
A pointless argument. I won't deny that there would be a part of me that would want to see them fry- but also my compassion would dictate that killing them doesn't bring the other one back. The hurt will still be there.
In short, stop this barbaric ritual and parading it like some evidence of moral superiority.
>Or they could choose the option they chose in 1861.>
That option has almost a 0% chance of success and more than 100% chance of death.
There is no foolproof system, stopping short of a confession.
Even confessions have proven unreliable in some instances.
Indeed.
The British Empire had a solution to the problem. A convicted criminal could face the gallows. Or they could be sent to a distant land.
Mind you, said land was barely habitable. It was full of poisonous snakes and spiders, not to mention crocodiles that could swallow a human being whole. However, one plus was that the families of said convict could go with them, if they chose to.
It was a harsh existence, and many perished. However, in the end, they made it work. Against the odds, they made it work. Of course, Rodney, Natalie, I'm talking about your homeland, Australia (did either of you have any ancestors among that lot, I wonder).
However, in our modern world, that is no longer an option, as there is no place now to send such convicts. Even the two closest planets to Earth, Venus and Mars, aren't an option, as neither can support human life.
No easy solutions.
Killers are learning from CSI just as much as civilians are. There’s already been attempts by criminals to plant false DNA evidence.
>where thet are being housed. Are they in a five-star hotel or a maximum security prison?>
I suspect that a five-star hotel might be cheaper. But not a better plan. (Especialy after they escape. It's very easy to escape from a hotel.)
Gee Tim, all my arguments have just been shattered to smithereens by you referencing my country. Gosh, I'm not sure I can ever recover from such a stinging riposte and excellently crafted argument that slowly dismantled my claims one by one.
And I'm so grateful you felt the need to remind me and Natalie about which country you were referring to as I'm sure neither of us had ANY clue what you were talking about until you mentioned it.
You're right of course, America has no history of violence or any dangerous animals- they are a shining beacon of perfection and moral virtue that every other country should just bask in awe of its greatness. In fact, I'm going to write to our Prime Minister and suggest we erect a giant statue of Obama and Biden in every city so we can be reminded of how brilliant and perfect America is.
Thank you so much for putting me in my place.
Gee Tim, all my arguments have just been shattered to smithereens by you referencing my country. Gosh, I'm not sure I can ever recover from such a stinging riposte and excellently crafted argument that slowly dismantled my claims one by one.
Interesting, considering that wasn't even the point of my post. Guess what they say is true, if you keep looking for conspiracies, you'll eventually see them,whether they're real or not.
And I'm so grateful you felt the need to remind me and Natalie about which country you were referring to as I'm sure neither of us had ANY clue what you were talking about until you mentioned it.
If you got the impression that I was trashing your country, rest assured I wasn't. I was just relating a historical fact. And, once again, I ask, did you have any ancestors among those convicts?
You're right of course, America has no history of violence or any dangerous animals- they are a shining beacon of perfection and moral virtue that every other country should just bask in awe of its greatness.
And exactly where in my post did I say any such thing?
You either need glasses or you're seeing what you want to see, not what's actually there.
Thank you so much for putting me in my place.
Again, not the point of my post.
Read my post again, Rodney. Only this time with an open mind and without Tim hate, please.
I didn't read it with "Tim hate"- I read it as though it was someone who supported the death penalty slagging off my country for some bizarre reason as if that was the best response to someone who disagreed with him. If that wasn't the point of your post, then what exactly WAS the point?
Hey, I'm happy for others to tell me I read it wrong too. If so, I'll get back in my box.
If that wasn't the point of your post, then what exactly WAS the point?
I think the point was to show the existence of a more constructive alternative to capital punishment that was no longer available? That's how I understood it.
Possibly. I'm not sure sending convicts overseas is more constructive though..... especially these days (which Tim pointed out to be fair)
Oh and to answer Tim's question- my ancestors were not from Australia.
quote:I think the point was to show the existence of a more constructive alternative to capital punishment that was no longer available? That's how I understood it.
quote:Oh and to answer Tim's question- my ancestors were not from Australia.
French on one side, Irish on the other.
Natalie made a post about the Greenough Family Massacre.
That case had many Australians calling for the return of the death penalty for that monster. Can't see that I blame them.