Heres a question- what century is Lister from? The series led you to believe it was the 22nd century but in one episode where Kryten becomes human he comments that he is an enlightened 23rd (he may have said 24th even) century guy! So which century is it?
If he was referring to himself, I believe it is entirely possible that Kryten was built after the Red Dwarf was lost. Remember that they didn't run into him until the second season/series.
Lister was referring to himself, not Kryten. But Kryten may have been in service before Red Dwarf was lost...in the episode "Kryten" when the crew first encounters the mechanoid Kryten confides in Lister that his favorite show is "Androids". Lister says something like "The stupid show with the robot actors?" meaning he has seen it....so theoretically "Androids" was a popular show before the accident. (Of course you can say Lister merely saw reruns of the show as the broadcast signals travelled through space but Red Dwarf is 3 Million Years AWAY!)
Also in"The Last Day" Kryten's replacement shows up on Red Dwarf. The crew know he's coming because they got a notice in a mail pod thats been tracking them for millenia! If Kryten wasn't built until after the accident then no one would bother to send a notice and a replacement because Red Dwarf would have been officially logged as lost. (It would be like sending a chef to the Titanic after she had sunk...whats the point)
Of course, Red Dwarf has never taken itself too seriously so Kryten's exact date of construction and Listers century of origin are whenever they say they are!
The answer's simple... the boys from the Dwarf have screwed around with time on so many occasions that various anomalies in their histories have occurred. What do you expect when you have a senile computer navigating or a novelty toaster providing advanced physics?
Kryten was definitely built after the loss of Red Dwarf. Remember, Kryten was not assigned to Red Dwarf, he was on the Nova 5 (cf. book "Infinity Welcomes Careful Drivers" and ep "Kryten") with the lovely skeletons when Lister and crew found him. Kryten then left Red Dwarf only to be found again later by Lister and rebuilt. Dave's line that he is an enlightened 23rd century guy is in sync with the book, that Red Dwarf was in service in the 2200's. The probe that caught up with Red Dwarf in "The Last Day" must have first found the wreckage of the Nova 5 and then following Red Dwarf's considerable ion trail for millenia. If you look at the android kit that Lister assembles in that ep, it would give an idea of what an android of Lister's era would have been like.
The android Lister builds in the last day was bought by Peterson and obviously a very cheap item, a sort of a joke about toys that never look they do on the box.
If the probe found a wrecked spacecraft with a dead crew, wouldn't logic dictate to Kryetn's replacement that it was likely Kryten no longer existed either? Or was there a homing beacon?
Just a note about the Last Day comments. They didn't send Hudson to Red Dwarf. They sent him to Kryten. Think about it.
In the remastered episode, when Rimmer attacks the cat and goes straight through him. However, after going through him you hear the clatter of him hitting a pile of dustbins. If Rimmer's a hologram, shouldn't he be unable to hit the dustbins?
(By the way, in the original version ,there is no clatter. Was this an attempt to make the episode 'sound' better? Also, just what does everyone else think of the remastered episodes? I personally think it's a waste of time; the episodes were fine as they were...)
They seem to have mucked about with thelaughter on some of the episodes- it sounds canned at some points (too much like RD sev...sev..
COLLAPSES, THE PAIN IS TOO MUCH
Emergency Holographic Edje
....and not like the stuido audience stuff in the original versions. The new Blue Midget sucks!
Given Red Dwarf is so big why do Lister and Rimmer need to share quarters? I know Rimmer is there to keep Lister sane at the start but by the time of the later episodes why not have separate rooms - like when Rimmer moves out with himself in Me Squared.
What happened to Lister's plan of heading back to Earth? He seems to have forgotten about it. He originally plans to go into stasis with the Cat but abandons the plan. In Queeg there is mention of them going around in circles instead of being on the right course to Earth but Lister and Cat are not in stasis and would be dead before they got home.
And by the time of Season Seven nothing is said, despite the fact the time device can miraculously now take them through space as well so why don't they go back to the right place in space-time?
Regarding Rimmer, as a hologram, walking through things...
Later we discover that a light bee humming inside of Rimmer projects the hologram. Is this always the case, or can Holly project Rimmer w/o the bee when he is on Red Dwarf. If he relies on the bee all of the time, then he can never walk completely through things. The bee will hit the object. Of course, the hologram could be programed to 'touch' fixed objects, such as a bed. So, if ya ever hear Rimmer crash into something that he should have went through, then it was really the bee that hit.
Chris, consider the fact that the only folks on the ship are Lister, Rimmer, the Cat, and the occasional scutter.
In the drive room, when they do a close-up of Holly, you can see that the moniter is a Sony.
Watch the funeral scene. In the first shot, the guy with the beard is wearing a blue jumpsuit. The shot changes and now he's wearing an olive green jumpsuit.
Why did Holly fly straight away from Earth instead of taking a circular route around the solar system? If he had then when it gets near to when the radiation level will be safe he could take the ship close enough to Earth so that when Lister wakes up there's Earth. Alternately, Holly could have calculated how long it would take the radiation to become safe, flown straight out for 1.5 million years, then turned around and arrived at Earth when it was time to revive Lister.
In the opening section of series I & II, when Holly is explaining the situation to the audience, Holly says that Dave is the last surviving human being. How does Holly know for a fact that all other humans are dead?
To the best of his knowledge, they are. Remember, he is suffering from computer senility after being alone for three million years.
As I understand it, only the first three seasons of Red Dwarf were remastered, but in the new title sequence they have a clip from the 4th season episode While Hole (Holly's IQ changing).
Oooops. I mean White Hole. I made lypographicat error.
In the Remastered version, when Lister & Rimmer are fixing the vending machine, two scutters zoom by in front of the picture, one even looks at the audience. I thought for a moment I was watching the MST3K version of Red Dwarf.
When Holly is complaining about making anouncements while he has an IQ of 6000, I couldn't help but think of Marvin the Paranoid Android.
When Holly is explaining about cat evolution the remastered version inserts a graphic showing the evolution of cat to cat person.
A good trivia question: What's Todhunter's first name?
Frank. Holly says it just as Lister is being put in stasis.
Interesting. In Back in the Red, Hollister's given name is also Frank (though Frank is a common name).
Rimmer also has an uncle & a brother called Frank.
It`s a conspiracy!!!!!!!
Conspiracy? What conspiracy?
Frank Lawyer & Frank Davies, do you know what conspiracy Frank Padawan nitpicker is talking about?
Frankly, I don`t either, Frank.
Wait! Yes I do! It`s Invasion of The Name Snatchers! Giant frankfurters have come from Outer Space and are turning everyone into franks! Keith Alan Morgan, Richard Davies and Gordon Lawyer are just psuedonyms! You`re all part of the Frank Conspiracy!
Wait! Yes I do! It`s the Invasion of the Name Snatchers! Giant frankfurters have come from Outer Space and are turning people into franks! They`re assimilating them! Keith Alan Morgan, Gordon Lawyer and Richard Davies are their agents! Those are just psuedonyms!
In the novels, his name was Christopher Todhunter. I think that sounds beter than Frank Todhunter don't don't you?
I know this really doesn't mean anything. I'm just trying to get off the Frank Conspiracy.
Hm. Brian Todhunter. I like the sound of that.
Oh, why get off the Frank Conspiracy? Conspiracys can be fun!Or... are you just trying to hide something, FRANK Webber?
Anyway, here's another one for you... FRANKenstien, Lister's pet cat...
Oh, let's all be Frank.
This should probably go in Frank Lawyer's Name Game Tote Board.
Frank you for staying with the conspiracy.
The bloke who found Lister under the pool table was Frank & Kryten once said something like "Screw down my diodes & call me frank"
I thought Kryten said, "Spin my nipple nuts and call me Susan."
A few things I noticed while watching:
Gap combat jeans will still be arround in the future.
Lister mentions there are 4 service robots, but the Skutters have very high numbers (& the books state there are several hundred.). It's possible that Red Dwarf had 4 robots like the Android actors & the Hotel staff we see in Stasis Leak, but for some reason where damaged in the accident.
As I've mentioned before, when the bunk door closes after Rimmer goes off to sit his exam you can see something moving through the window. (Even in the Remastered version.)
I see Reel to Reel tapes will make a comeback, you can see racks of then in the teaching room & in Capt. Hollister's office.
The Teaching room & other areas of Red Dwarf have gas cylinders as wall decoration.
Cameras will still use film in the future, & Lister must have 2, one that uses film & a Polaroid one. (It would be a bit hard for Grant Naylor to prodict the coming of Digital Cameras 10 years later, but they did combat jeans correct.)
When the Cat irons his sleeve the sound of the iron sounds like someone saying "tissssss". (Rather than using the sound of a real iron.)
Holly's face is on a black background while on a screen but in close up the background is blue. (This Nit appears is most episodes from the 1st 3 series.)
Combat jeans could have been in and out of fashion many times - fashion is cyclical.
The sound of clatter you hear after Rimmer karate chops through the Cat and careers out the door - could it be possible a scutter had to quickly move out of the way and the resulting noise was the scutter crashing into something?
Your suggestion about the scutter is possible but unlikely - surely the scutter would know that Rimmer was a hologram, so it wouldn't need to get out of the way?
What about the emitter first mentioned in Meltdown? Perhaps it was due to this (However, this would mean he couldn`t run through the Cat like that)
Oh, and Kryten has lots of those expressions, one of them definitely includes the word Frank. Oh, and the new edition of the Red Dwarf Programme Guide mentions how common the name Frank is in RD and gives a full list.
OK, I was bored and started thinking about RD's holograms.
Supposedly, Holly is controlling, to an extent, everthing that happens to Rimmer. (He causes a boil to appear on Rimmer's neck in IWCD.) I would think that Holly would be able to project Rimmer in such a way as to make him *appear* to be reacting to certain solid objects. I believe he gets thrown *onto*, not into, a table at one point. Wouldn't that be the hologram programming saying, "A real person wouln't go through the table, so neither will this simulation of a person." If they can duplicate a person's thoughts, then the physical manifestation should be a piece of cake.
And about the light bee... I have heard two theories: either the bee is stationary (projecting sound and light from about waist-height), or in constant motion (projecting same from wherever it is in it's cycle). If the first were true, you'd hear Rimmer speaking from his navel (or Ace Ventura style...) and if the second is true, then nothing should be able to go through Rimmer, since he would be somewhat solidly composed of the ever-moving bee. Kind of a brute-force version of that poor hologram on ST.
Am I a physics major in the making or just someone with nowhere near enough work to do?
The light bee vibrates in the centre of the projected image. He is "composed entirely of light" so object can go through him. Holly controls the image but given that he has lost some of his powers over the last few series I choose to see the occasional mistakes in the same was as I view Data's speak in Next Gen!!!
Oh and the re-mastered episodes were not popular
hence the reason they never made anymore of them!
Faye, in the later seasons, Rimmmer was made of "hard light" so things could not pass through him anymore.
Rimmer is more incompetent than Lister, so why is Lister the Third Technician? and who is their superior, the First Technician?
Rimmer is more incompetent than Lister, so why is Lister the Third Technician?
Seniority?
And Rimmer is now the de facto commander of Red Dwarf.
Not that anyone will take him seriously, mind you.
I figure that Holly very likely activated Rimmer seconds before he walked through the door. Digitally downloading the current mission status (crew dead, species dead, Lister alive, ship lost) instantly.
Holly did say he brought Rimmer back to keep Lister sane (in the novelization, it takes Holly a few days to reach that decision).
For a three million years old ship, the Red Dwarf was in pretty good shape. They sure know how to build things that last.
Holly could have sent out the Cats to scavenge stuff to maintain the ship. Holly plus the video of Lister's trial probably help the humanoid Cats piece together the details of how they came into being. Of course it gets distorted as it is passed down over the millennia.
Did Holly even know the Cats existed?
Holly probably did help the Cats but forgot due to their computer senility.
Well, Holly did seem to know who and what Cat was when we first see him.
Although the Cat civilization was in a part of the ship that he couldn't monitor.
Smegazine:
quote:I wonder when George McIntyre’s hologram was switched off. Would he have watched the crew die and then hung around for three million years, right up until the point before Lister comes out of stasis? Would he have immediately been switched off and replaced with a hologram of Hollister once the crew was wiped out (who would have then been replaced by Rimmer)? Or would there be no holograms around at all between the accident and Lister coming out of stasis?
It would be an interesting premise for a new series, or at least a few episodes, what did Holly do during those 3 million years to keep himself entertained?
It would be an interesting premise for a new series, or at least a few episodes, what did Holly do during those 3 million years to keep himself entertained?
The novel said he did a bunch of stuff, including reading every book ever written.
Isn't Holly a fan of Agatha Christie novels in one episode?
For a computer that is has been functioning for three million years, Holly is doing well.
Holly's computer senile though - by series 4 and 5, Holly is pretty addled.
Yes, but the fact that Holly was functioning at all, after all those eons, is amazing.
I know, Rule Of Funny.