Numbers Alert: Eko's story about King Josiah and the book of the law can be found in Chapter 23 of the Second Book of Kings, which is the 12^th (4 + 8) book of the Protestant Bible, (But it's only the ninth or eleventh book of the Hebrew Scriptures, depending on whether the books of Samuel and Kings are split up. If they are not split up, the story is no longer the 23^rd chapter, but the 45^th. But there is no way that A Biblical reference would match up on the numbers in all of Jewish, Protestant, and Catholic versions.)

Well looks like Kate wins the messed up relationship with her daddy competition.

Interesting TomM I was wondering what the connection was with a bible besides the extra section of film being hidden within. I wonder if this has anything significant with Eko's backstory, especially given his quotation of the Lord's Prayer over the coming attractions.

As to the film, why would someone cut and hide that section across the island at another facility and amazing coincidence that michael would start chatting at the same time locke and eko watched the film. Which I also got this sudden impression that when Locke turned the projector off and looked at Eko one or both of them was gonna say "Michael" and go in and check on him.

Also what is with the "blast doors"? Didn't look like any blast doors I am familiar with more like fire doors. Either way interesting. I was expecting the revelation about the computer to be that it was rigged to explode or something. And why is it that the keyboard was ignored until four minutes before timeout but michael can chat. Is it because it was a local vs remote thing?

So anyhow interesting episode.

Not the Lord's Prayer but the 23^rd Psalm (but considered the 22^nd by Catholics). (A fact that I was going to wait to post in the thread for that episode.)

Good episode. Good ending. 'Nuff said.

So do you guys think that the Others are with the Dharma Project, or at least the Hanso Foundation?

OK, it being *THAT* horse puts it waaaay beyond the realm of coincidence. Although I did like Eko's comment to Locke about fate vs. coincidence.

Best cliffhanger of the series so far.

I'd had some suspicion the first time they saw the original film that the jumps were due to splices rather than just being an old film. However, the new section really didn't add anything -- I thought it would be some major revelation. The only new info was "not to use for outside communication", and something about an "incident".

I never new Jin was so, um, buff...

I don't think it was ever clear before, but it's nice that people all seem to have their own little huts now.

I didn't quite get the whole "Wayne, are you in there?" bit.

As to the psalm lord's prayer thing. Ooops trust the aethiest to get that one messed up. I knew it was one of the major/popular/quotable passages from the christian bible I just didn't know which one.

The Wayne are you in there bit was Kate thinking that maybe the ghost of her father had gotton into sawyer since earlier sawyer jumped up and grabbed her and asked "why did you murder me?" Which could have just been sawyer being delusional and having a moment or wayne in there brought by the island since other people have seen "ghosts" running around. It also gave the writers a chance for kate to express herself to sawyer and show us some of the insight into herself as well as explain why she did it. At least that's my interpretation of it.

As to whom the others belong ask not for they belong to you.

R, the 23rd Psalm is not just from the Christian bible. It's part of the original Hebrew as well. It's recited at Jewish funerals.

Oh. Ok. I did not know that. Thank you ScottN. I knew it had been used in a few christian funerals I went to as well what with the whole valley of death thing and all.

Oh, almost forgot to post this above:

It's a good thing that the hatch not only has film-splicing equipment, but that Locke has the knowledge of how to do so.

Oh, btw: When was it established that the hatch had a regular door leading out to the surface? I don't recall ever seeing this until this episode.

It was established earlier, in Everybody Hates Hugo.

Kate goes to her mom's diner, and tells her "I wasn't here" (or words to that effect). Of course, that will have a big effect on all the patrons of the diner (and there were some there).

Luigi Novi: Oh, btw: When was it established that the hatch had a regular door leading out to the surface? I don't recall ever seeing this until this episode.

Dan Gunther: It was mentioned in "Orientation" and seen in "Everybody Hates Hugo."

GREAT episode! My schedule hasn't permitted much television-watching in the last while, but an exception for Lost is definitely warranted!

Yeah Desmond ran out through it when they shot the computer and Jack chased him. Only they didnt exactly show the hatch specifically or where it was in relation to the caves and the beach etc....

Oh yeah. Now I remember that.

The scene in Everybody Hates Hugo was when Hurley took Rose in through the airlock door.

Not to muddy the scriptural waters any further, but the event Eko describes (the finding of the law) actually show up in the 22nd chapter, the 23rd covers the reforms Josiah instituted afterwards.

Also, not to nitpick or anything, but Eko says they found "The Old Testament," which is what Christians call the whole of Hebrew scriptures. At best, the "Book of the Law" would only refer to the first five books.

Most likely it refers to "discovering" the book of Deuteronomy, which was written about that time.

Yes, the full story covers both chapters 22 and 23, though you might say that that was covered by Locke mis-typing 22 and correcting it to 23, and two other, more subtle, juxtapositions of 22 and 23 in the episode. I didn't expand in my first post because 22 has not previously been a "Lost number."

Luigi Novi: It's a good thing that the hatch not only has film-splicing equipment, but that Locke has the knowledge of how to do so.

Were they using any equipment? To me, it just looked like Locke was cutting the film with a knife or something and taping it back together. And he was just looking at it with the unaided eye.

Hmmm, not a great episode for Kate (her backstory, I mean). While killing another human being is never good, we (as a people, or society) recognize certain reasons that either justify it or at least mitigate it. Killing her father to protect her mother would have been a mitigating reason; doing so because she simply hated him and the fact that she was his offspring is a very selfish, cold thing to do--particularly if you consider that otherwise, she would have been willing to let her mother suffer indefinitely. As far as reasons for killing someone go, Kate drops below Ana Lucia and Sawyer now, IMHO. Their reasons were understandable; hers is not.

Quick question: didn't the extra footage say something along the lines of, "Do not let the people of station 3 tempt you into communicating?" If so, why would that have been in the film for station 3, since each facility seems to have its own orientation film? Or did I simply mishear it?

Blitz: At best, the "Book of the Law" would only refer to the first five books.

Good point. I was going to make this as well. The Jewish canon divides the Torah into three sections: the Law, Writings, and the Prophets. The "book of the Law" (which Hebrew kings were supposed to copy for themselves when they started ruling) was just the Law code, contained in the first five books of Moses. In fact, at the time Josiah was ruling, portions of the O.T. hadn't even been written yet.

In fact, at the time Josiah was ruling, portions of the O.T. hadn't even been written yet.


Precisely. The "Old Testament" or, more precisely, Tanach (for Torah, N'vi'im, Katvim -- Torah, Prophets, Writings) includes everything up to and including II Chronicles.

Why not a unicorn?

I love the look that Locke gives Eko after Eko tells him not to confuse luck (or odds or whatnot) with fate. That has to be such a "my kind of guy" moment for him.