Oh My God. I had a feeling from the radio commercials I heard today with the "I'm sorry"--"For what?" bit exchange that this would happen, but still didn't think it would actually happen. But God, I'm going to miss Ana/Michelle Rodriguez. As for Libby, well, Cynthia Watros filmed a pilot for a new show in the fall, so it was pretty much announced. ABC or the creators denied that it meant anything, but that was a weak smokescreen.
But the "Six Degrees of Lost" bit in the flashbacks is beginning to feel a bit gratuitous. I mean geez, is there anyone who hasn't bumped into Jack's dad on this island?

For that matter, are there any two castaways that haven't met each other prior to Flight 815? Now we learn that Sawyer bumped into Christian Shepard twice, once alone and once with Ana? Sheesh.

I wrote this following passage before the last Act aired:

Does anyone here believe Mike's story for even a second? Given what we learned of the Others from episodes like Maternity Leave, the only question is motive. The obvious guess for me is that the Others captured him, and made a deal for Walt with him, telling him that they'd give Walt back to him if he lured the other castaways to them.

Looks like I may have been on the right track.

Well, now I certainly wasn't expecting that Hanso Foundation spot during the last commercial break. So far, the creators have created websites and released manuscripts to tie into the show as a bit of an in-joke, but I didn't think they'd actually air a commercial that takes up airtime.

Luigi Novi: Oh My God.
Luigi, you stole the words from my mouth, so I'll say it auf Deutsch: ach, mein Gott! I must not have your TV prediction acumen, Luigi, b/c my thought was, "Jeez, the Others are getting sloppy if Michael was able to track them!" It never occurred to me that Michael was lying about having tracked the others. But, there was that episode where Mr. Eko managed to detect them first and successfully hide from them. Of course, I was a little distracted because my wife and I share a house with a couple who aren't willing to pay the $$$ for air-conditioning yet, so we were suffering from the heat.

I liked that Hanso commercial too.

Btw, while I'm at it, do only the moderators get log-in names here, or can any user get one? It would simplify searching for new posts

Btw, I just realized....Kate says in the next week-promo that "she's dead". I wonder, are they really going to kill both Ana and Libby off? Because despite the fact that Watros is in that fall pilot, aren't they going to want to follow up on the revelation that Libby was in the hospital with Hurley? And didn't Hurley seem a bit too okay in the next-week promo? Did Libby have something underneath those blankets that shielded her? (Some actors do do more than one TV show at the same time. Look at Kelly Ripa.)

Or maybe Libby is dead, and it's Ana who had something under her shirt protecting her?

God, my head hurts.

Why god why!!!!! Ohhhh noooo.

Ok. Now thats out of the way.

Yeah When Michael said he followed them and they where so primative I had the feeling it was BS. As for Michael going dark side like that and all that was a big surprise (though I did wonder why the others let him go as that was a BIIIIGGG coincidence how he appeared when Jack was yelling) I kept hoping at the end it was somekind of bad dream sequence or something and we'd get hurly waking up in libby's arms or something.

Maybe Jack's dad is the head of Hanso or something. Or he is otherwise the key to the whole island. And yeah everybody knows everybody or at least has run into them at some point. Small world. Especially when the fates are directing traffic.

As for the "death" of the two characters. I dont think that will be as bad for their appearances on the island as you might think. I mean there are still the flashbacks and all.

Ana is probably the one who is a gonner. I mean after all she had sex which is a death mark in the slasher movies, Had nothign under her shirt that would stop a bullet and had acheived peace with herself at last. So of course she is the one who's gonna buy it.

Libby I dunno. Could go either way. Hurley didnt seem too upset but then again he didnt seem too not upset. Too short a clip of him to know for sure. Maybe a coma. Maybe its just a flesh wound.

I know about the Hanso spot. I was in the kitchen when it came on and didnt really react when I first heard it until the words Hanso foundation came on. Then I about dropped the cheez whiz. I'm wondering what will happen if you call the number. Transporting them to the phone pad you get the numbers 4267674 does that mean anythign to anyone?

All in all looks like its gonna be a bumpy ride.

I thought that Michael just saw what they wanted him to see. Then, after the shooting, I thought that maybe they had brainwashed him.

Alternatively, he really did see what he said, they showed him a Potemkin Village, and he shot Ana-Lucia for revenge.

Libby was just in the wrong place at the wrong time.

This is exactly why I never like to see previews for shows I know I am going to watch. It's been a long time since I have really been surprised at a development. If I had known there was going to be a "super suprise twist ending shocker" it would have diminished the effect.

Now we learn that Sawyer bumped into Christian Shepard twice, once alone and once with Ana? Sheesh.

They could have met the second time in that bar that he walked into.

Btw, I just realized....Kate says in the next week-promo that "she's dead". I wonder, are they really going to kill both Ana and Libby off?

And I also don't watch the promos for next week... I'd rather you discuss that speculation in the proper show board.

My friend in England says that they aired season 2 episodes 1,2 and 3 on tuesday night on Channel 4 and they had adverts on every other ad break for Hanso and a number to call!

I keep saying after every episode "I didn't expect that!" but i still think that it may be a "Big Brother" (George Orwell) type of situation and "The Others" are the watchers.

I got the impression that Michael hasn't been brainwashed or turned to the "darkside", but that he was told by the others to free Henry how ever possible. Maybe they made a deal with Michael for Walt. Ana Lucia and Libby were in the wrong place at the wrong time and at the end when Micheal turns the gun on himself, he is making it look like Henry escaped and shot the three of them. That could be why he tells Ana Lucia he's sorry. He doesn't want to kill her, but he must in order to free Henry and get Walt back.

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Btw, while I'm at it, do only the moderators get log-in names here, or can any user get one? It would simplify searching for new posts

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Used to be that you needed a login for PM, but that's history.

Well, perfect night for my VCR to not work. Wonderful.

Jesse: ..do only the moderators get log-in names here, or can any user get one? It would simplify searching for new posts
Luigi Novi: How so? Logging in is done in order to enter the Administration area of the board, which only the moderators need to do. How would that make searching for posts easier? If you want to search for a particular post, it's best to use your browser's Find feature, or if it's to search the entire site or an entire Topic's set of boards, you can use the Keyword Search.

ScottN: ...They showed him a Potemkin Village, and he shot Ana-Lucia for revenge.
Luigi Novi: Revenge for what?

Influx: I'd rather you discuss that speculation in the proper show board.
Luigi Novi: Sorry!

JoshM: Well, perfect night for my VCR to not work. Wonderful.
Luigi Novi: Let me know if you need a tape of it, Josh.

Nah, Luigi, I'll survive. Thanks, though.

If anyone's interested, Micheael Ausiello at tvguide.com talked to the creators about this episode's events. MINOR SPOILER WARNING, it does strongly hint about next week's show.

http://community.tvguide.com/forum.jspa?forumID=700000049

ScottN: ...They showed him a Potemkin Village, and he shot Ana-Lucia for revenge.
Luigi Novi: Revenge for what?
ScottN: Mistreatment during the events of Orientation and ... and Found.

And for that, he'd shoot her? Nah, no way, I'm not buying that.

According to a visitor to Peter David's blog, calling the phone number in the Hanso Foundation commercial "takes you to a message service where you can "contact" the various heads of the company/organization. Each member has a little blurb and is interrupted by others...
basically it gives you a password to get into the Hanso webpage..."

Used to be that you needed a login for PM, but that's history.

You mean when I'd temporarily closed PM and RM to members only, lo, these many, many moons ago ;)?

Anyway, I'm hoping that Ana Lucia's killed off cuz I never liked her, but then I never liked Rodriquez, either, since she always plays the same character in all that she's been in (she was once more in court a few days ago for her DUI sentencing). She sure died rather easily, didn't she? No big, overly dramatic death, just her head slumping to one side. I didn't like seeing Libby take it in the gut, either, though I suspect she'll survive since I've read online that Watros will indeed return, even with having a new series, which could also be cancelled during its first season. It happens.

basically it gives you a password to get into the Hanso webpage..."

I read on another forum that the password is:
(highlight to reveal)
breaking strain

In my opinion, nothing Michael does makes sense except as it relates to Walt. Whatever reason he had for killing Ana Lucia, it had to do with keeping Walt safe or getting him back.

It will be interesting to see if Eko becomes a target or not. Was Ana Lucia a target of opportunity (because she was guarding "Henry") or specifically because she killed two of the Others?

I don't care. I'm just glad she's off the show, other than the occasional flashbacks, I guess. Anyway, now she can spend her free time concentrating on what she apparently does best: DUI's!

Luigi Novi: Luigi Novi: How so?
If you go to http://64.33.77.146/cgi-bin/discus/board-newmessages.cgi you'll see there's an option to search for new messages since the last search, but only if you can log in. That is, I could log in and say, "Show me everything new since the last time I was here." That would be easier than remembering when, exactly, the last time I searched was so I can do a new one.

Mark Morgan: In my opinion, nothing Michael does makes sense except as it relates to Walt. Whatever reason he had for killing Ana Lucia, it had to do with keeping Walt safe or getting him back.
I agree, Mark. This is the result of some kind of devil's deal that Michael made. If he was killing A-L out of sheer revenge, as ScottN suggested, would he have any remorse for his actions? He seemed genuinely sorry before he killed her, even apologizing to her. If it were a revenge killing, it would look more like HER killing of her one-time shooter.

My guess is that they told Michael to kill Ana for the death of Goodwin and the female other she killed. Perhaps brainwashed him to do it or promised to give him Walt back. Perhaps they will later strike at Eko for the two he killed and later Charlie for killing Ethan. Libby was an accident.

Or perhaps the Others ordered or brainwashed him to kill Ana for killing Goodwin and the female other. Perhaps promised to give him Walt back. And maybe they will strike at Eko and Charlie later for the others they killed.

I'd completely forgotten that abc.com now has some of its shows online for free now. That's a plus. So I just watched this one.

Wow. That's a pretty brutal ending. Would've been even better if I hadn't known about it, but what can you do?

Michael did look genuinely sorry before he shot Ana. I'm thinking he made a deal with the Others. It would make sense. They did or said something and he's desperate. I'm going to miss Ana. I really wanted to see how she was going to develop and fit into this whole story. See if Sayid would've really forgiven. Darn.

Libby, well, I guess we'll have to wait until tonight to see how that goes.

It seems that Lindelof and Cruse really like John Terry. He seems to come back quite often.

Sawyer and Ana had sex. Yeah, it was for the gun, but still. It's about time. The only unmarried hookup we've actually seen is Sayid and Shannon. I guess the background Lostaways could be enjoying each others' colective company, but we don't know.

MarkN: Anyway, now she can spend her free time concentrating on what she apparently does best: DUI's!
DUI. One.

Michael better hope that Libby's either dead or knocked out for a while. Then again, he probably doesn't care what happens to him if it gets Walt back.

JoshM: DUI. One.
Luigi Novi: Two, actually.

One Luigi. Cynthia Watros only has one and she is the one who plays Libby.

No, he's right. One in 2003.

No he is wrong about Watros who plays Libby right about Rodreguiz who plays ana lucia. Cynthia only has one DUI on her record (at least according to the various information I could gather in my admittedly quick research)

anondrunker: One Luigi. Cynthia Watros only has one and she is the one who plays Libby.
Luigi Novi: I wasn't talking about Watros. I was talking about Rodriguez.

I thank you for apologizing R. Both posts have been moved.

Oh I forgot to say this earlier. But no problem. The wife'll not be setting foot back on this site unless Luigi apologizes or goes away so you wont have her causing anymore problems. And as for me I'll still be my usual cheery self unless someone stabs me in the back.

R, can I recommend you not discuss your issues with Luigi outside the appropriate thread in the Sink? It's very offtopic here.

I did not see this episode (yet) but I've seen the following. They're really ramping up the "holy moly!" factor, aren't they?

No problem. Just explaining something to assure Josh that My wife would not be causing anymore trouble. She kinda got a bit bent about things. Actually I think she is a bit more upset that I am. Maybe its more her feelign down about being sick and not able to do as much. But don't worry I'll confine my issues with Luigi to the proper areas.

And as for this show. Yeah its turning into a bumpy ride. They definately are cranking up to something.

In the first flashback of the episode where we see the police cars, the numbers on the roofs of the cars are the island numbers.