Holy mother of the gods! What in the name of the nine layers of hell happened?

Did anyone understand anything that went on?

Is this the end of the begining or the begining of the end?

Just when you think you are starting to get a grip on things. Boom. Big boom!

Wow! Wow. This is going to take some time to assimilate. Also I don't wanna spoil anything for those who havent seen this as you could say this is a bit major of changes.

But did anyone get a feelign of twilight zone meets bermuda triangle meets atlantis (the mystical island not the sg-1 spinoff) with all of this or what.

Why did the Others go to the all trouble of including Hurley as a hostage if they were just going to let him go (even if it was with a message -- they could have sent the message some other way)?

What was the point of Pearl Station if the reports just wind up in a pile literally in the middle of nowhere?

Is Elizabeth part of the "Six Degrees of Lost" game? (That is, did one of the others encounter her in his/her flashback?

Speaking of "Six Degrees," nice background cameo of Jack in the scene where Penny finally tracked down Desmond at the stadium.

Somehow, I don't think we've seen the last of John and Eko, or for that matter, of Michael and Walt. Or at least one of each pair. In Michael's case, I think I can go so far as to predict that the EM pulse has re-aligned his compass, and he is not following the heading that Uncle Henry gave him. Instead of North, the needle points toward the island, and so like a moth who mistakes a flame for the moon, he's slowly spiralling back into it, just as Desmond did.

I can't remember the last time that two hours went by so fast.

I might not have thought much about the statue remnants until Sayid mentioned about it having only four toes. It seems like that might be something significant.

I bet a lot of people thought the show was over with the campfire fadeout, and changed the station. Because of the next long shot of the frozen wasteland, I thought they were going to pull back into a Corona commercial or something. Turns out it was a key part of the story!

Is there any use to binding people with a gag that way? All it does is make them unintelligible. They can still shout or make noise.

Lucky that the Key was non-magnetic, or they would have been in a world of trouble!

I can't imagine Eko being so dumb as to set off dynamite in an enclosed area, then hide just around the corner.

Weird that the "S" hatch was just a facade.

Is "Zeke"-Tom going back to that other hatch all the time just to put the fake beard on? What was the purpose of that anyway?

I do hope the writers have at least the major beats planned out. I'd hate to think they'll meet again in August and say, "OK, what the heck do we do now?"

Reminded to me by someone on another board --

Kelvin was the CIA agent that Sayid was forced to work for in Iraq.

Influx: I bet a lot of people thought the show was over with the campfire fadeout, and changed the station. Because of the next long shot of the frozen wasteland, I thought they were going to pull back into a Corona commercial or something. Turns out it was a key part of the story!
Oh my God, Influx, that was me. I thought, "What a lame ending! A touching scene and it cuts to commercial!" And I was expecting a Jeep Commander to pull up outside or something, or have it be a Coor's commercial (you know, one of the ones about refreshing cold they've been running lately).

TomM: What was the point of Pearl Station if the reports just wind up in a pile literally in the middle of nowhere?
Good question. I suspect that they haven't ALWAYS ended up nowhere. It appears that, about 3 years ago, Hanso either (1) pulled off the island altogether or (2) scaled back their operations. Think of all the abandoned hatches and the fact that replacements for the hatch workers stopped coming. For some reason, things came to a stop. I suspect that, at some point, those reports were picked up and read, either by a REAL command center on the island or they were loaded on a boat or plane and shipped off. Evidently, when Hanso shut things down, they left their people in the hatch (no one ever came for Kelvin, mind you). I suspect that those who manned The Pearl kept writing reports until they died or otherwise escaped, but no one remained above ground to collect them.

I disagree, Jesse. The second Orientation video said that the other stations were meaningless, but this episode shows that at least the Swan has a real purpose--to keep the island from exploding. My theory is that the Pearl is the experiment, for whatever reason.

Jesse:Oh my God, Influx, that was me.

LOL! That's bad in a funny sort of way. Did you find out what you missed, or do you need someone to tell you?

TomM: What was the point of Pearl Station if the reports just wind up in a pile literally in the middle of nowhere?
As Desmond suggests, maybe it's the Pearl that's the psychological test. Remember, someone was watching them, too.

BTW, how did those notebooks stay in good condition sitting on an island for so long? We've seen it rain all the time there. When Kate picks one up, though, they look pristine.

Influx: I might not have thought much about the statue remnants until Sayid mentioned about it having only four toes. It seems like that might be something significant.
Yeah, when I first saw that I thought that something about it looked wrong. Sayid confirmed.

Influx: Lucky that the Key was non-magnetic, or they would have been in a world of trouble!
I would hope that Dharma would have the foresight to make a fail safe key of a huge electromagnet, non-magnetic.

Influx: I do hope the writers have at least the major beats planned out. I'd hate to think they'll meet again in August and say, "OK, what the heck do we do now?"
I think they'd have to have something planned. There has to be a reason for that statue. Or the discovery by Penelope's team.

Influx: I bet a lot of people thought the show was over with the campfire fadeout, and changed the station. Because of the next long shot of the frozen wasteland, I thought they were going to pull back into a Corona commercial or something. Turns out it was a key part of the story!
yeah, I know I sat there for a second thinking, Wait a sec, is this still Lost?

Other Things to Consider

*Just how far is the little lagoon area where Desmond killed Kelvin and saw his boat from the hatch? It had to be far enough so that none of the survivors noticed the boat (or Kelvin's corpse...although an animal or the Others could have taken care of that).

*I don't think they will, but I wouldn't mind seeing Michael and Walt just sail away off the series. Michael ceases to interest me in almost any sense of the word and Walt's rapid aging will become a problem for the producers. I think it might make a sort of oblique sense of fate: Michael sacrifices his entire soul for his son and zips off to parts unknown.

*One wonders if Desmond could simply have told Locke what happened when the button wasn't pushed before the countdown expired...unless he forgot because he was so drunk?

*One hopes that everything is worked out. But then, didn't Chris Carter have a master plan for the X-Files too? And David Lynch for Twin Peaks? Then again, seeing as how (hopefully) this show has a finite life span, one might avoid the goofy machinations and out of nowhere plot twists that marred the final days of the X-Files.

JoshM I thought the Notebooks where still in the cans they used in the tubes. Those might be able to protect the books enough. And besides they looked like the usual marble composition book and those thigns are dang near indestructible anyhow.

I gotta agree it seems like a few years ago somethign happened and Dharma or Hanso pulled out and just dropped everything.


Yeah that ending was something else. A nice little twist as I thought it was somethign else too. I was expecting an SUV or beer commercial.I was waiting for the late news so I left it on and saw it fortunately. But what I'm wondering is where are these guys that they are able to pinpoint a geomagnetic pulse? I mean are they in antarctica or what?

And speaking of pulses I'm betting that Locke, Eko and Dezzy are gone. That looked like somekinda huge EMP pulse. And Kelvin did say that turn the key and this all goes away. Goes away does not sound like somethign survivable. And if they survived that then that island is really somethign else. Although Eko did survive the overpressure from two sticks of dynamite going off just around the corner from him. I'm sorry but he probably should have been chunky salsa after that and Charlie would be a bit more than deaf.

As for Michael and Walt I don't know. On one hand I wanna see them just go away and be done with them and on the other I'd like to see michael get the justice served on him for his dark deal. When he spilled the truth I thought Hurley was going to go off on him big time. It would be interesting to see if michael does come back. As for Walt they could (lamely) explain that as part of his "powers" or the island.

And what is the deal with Sawyer? What kind of redneck is he if he can't shoot a stinking rifle and hit a target that close. And also where did the shotgun go that they where loading last episode? Kate at least was able to hit her target and with a pistol none the less (Least wise thats what it looked like to me). I guess sawyer's most dangerous weapon is his mouth.

When i saw the statue and the ruins I had the thought that maybe it was Atlantis (or rather since this is the pacific Lemuria) that had been found. Given the strange electromagnetic phenomena, bermuda triangle like compass issues, and the special enhanced healign and psychic effects which go witht the tales about atlantis/lemuria.

Is Elizabeth part of the "Six Degrees of Lost" game? (That is, did one of the others encounter her in his/her flashback?

*Slaps forehead* How did I not recognize Libby? Or remember that "Libby" is a diminutive (nickname) for "Elizabeth"?

OK, I was playing bridge last night, so I had taped it.

This was totally weird. I wonder if there's a *third* force on the island... "We're the *good guys*"...

*One hopes that everything is worked out. But then, didn't Chris Carter have a master plan for the X-Files too? And David Lynch for Twin Peaks?

Twin Peaks is precisely the example I use when I get concerned about the ultimate plan. I remember reading that they were just making things up as they went along and they figured they would resolve it all somehow later.

ScottN: This was totally weird. I wonder if there's a *third* force on the island... "We're the *good guys*"...
Yeah, I was hoping that Michael was going to ask who the bad guys were supposed to be.

R: And what is the deal with Sawyer? What kind of redneck is he if he can't shoot a stinking rifle and hit a target that close. And also where did the shotgun go that they where loading last episode? Kate at least was able to hit her target and with a pistol none the less
Didn't Sawyer hit that second guy?

No I didn't think Sawyer even winged him. Especially since the guy got away and they where preparing to chase him when the whole "they've already been warned statement" by Jack came about.

And about Sawyer notice the list said John Ford and not Sawyer.

R: No I didn't think Sawyer even winged him. Especially since the guy got away and they where preparing to chase him when the whole "they've already been warned statement" by Jack came about.
He actually does hit one of the Others. In one shot too. Though both he and Kate miss about ten before he lands it. You'd think that Kate, who started shooting in the first place, would have landed a hit, but apparently not. I guess her targets have to be immobile and directly below her.

It was kind of cool seeing Henry as the boss. Up until now, it seemed as if "Zeke"/Mr.Friendly/Tom was the boss.

And about Sawyer notice the list said John Ford and not Sawyer.

James Ford. Been watching those old Westerns again, R?

I wonder if Walt is going to insist that they return to the island to get Vincent? Strange that we haven't seen much of him this season. Come to think of it I kinda miss that ol' mutt myself.

JoshM: Ok I'll take your word for it. The way they shot the scene I couldn't exactly tell or keep track of who shot whom.

ScottN: Yeah I know. When Henry got out and started taking charge I clapped my hands in glee to see such a change. Mr Milqtoast is the boss! I wonder though if he is the him that he was referring to when talking to Locke (When he said Zeke was nothing) or if there is someone above him. Wheels within wheels.

Influx: Yeah I guess i have. But what with the end of the season for CSI, Survivor and Lost there isnt exactly much else to watch on TV. Time to break out the classic DVDs.

Wow, what a finale.

Why did Mike try to shoot that bird at the end of Act 2? Sure, the scene was intended to clue him into the fact that Jack was onto him, but realistically, what good would it have done to shoot that bird?

Six Degrees of Lost: Desmond met Libby and acquired her boat prior to coming to the island, and then met Kelvin Inman in the hatch.

So Henry Gale is the leader. I’m ashamed I never saw that coming. Between John “Mr. Friendly/Zeke” telling Ethan in Maternity Leave about “him” being upset with them, and Henry telling Jack and the others that he’ll be killed if he goes back to the Others, I never suspected that he was the leader.

Time Note: Locke tells Desmond that they’ve been on the island for 60-65 days, and we even get an exact date of the crash: September 22, 2004.

Now the whole thing with the hatch kinda makes sense. It sends out a magnetic pulse, and that could disable all the electronics on an airplane, and the reason that it’s real is that if the timer is not reset, it’ll keep sending out that pulse, and disable even more planes and things.

That scene where the hatch begins to self-destruct, the timer crunches, Locke admits to Eko that he was wrong, and Desmond was flashing back to the last time he saw Penny when he turned the key—PERFECT.

When the Others grab Jack, Kate and Sawyer near the end of the episode, the woman who grabs Kate initially grabs her by her breasts, before rotating her hands to instead grab her by her armpits.

I thought that after Mike took the boat, Walt would not be on it, but that he’d have to rendezvous with another boat to pick up Walt, and then the Others would blow up Mike’s boat. Guess I was wrong, and we’ll be seeing more of them.

When the show cut from Claire and Charlie to that snowscape, I almost pressed “STOP” on my VCR, because I thought it went to a commercial. But then I kept watching, figuring I couldn’t be too sure with this show, and good thing I did.

If the scene in Penny’s bedroom in the closing scene is any indication, this would be the first episode to feature a present-tense scene in the civilian world outside the island.

JoshM: BTW, how did those notebooks stay in good condition sitting on an island for so long? We've seen it rain all the time there. When Kate picks one up, though, they look pristine.
Luigi Novi: Because they were in the pneumatic cylinders.

MikeC: I don't think they will, but I wouldn't mind seeing Michael and Walt just sail away off the series. Michael ceases to interest me in almost any sense of the word and Walt's rapid aging will become a problem for the producers. I think it might make a sort of oblique sense of fate: Michael sacrifices his entire soul for his son and zips off to parts unknown.
Luigi Novi: I think Mike has to be dealt a moral consequence for murdering Ana and Libby.

Luigi Novi: Because they were in the pneumatic cylinders.

Thanks Luigi. R actually beat you to it.

Personally, I'd rather see Michael reach redemption rather than justice. That, and I really like Harold so I don't really want to see him off of the show.

1. Does Michael really need a reason to shoot anything anymore? And his moral consequence is to never be able to look himself in the mirror again.

2. Wouldn't that be a gasser if the final scene actually took place years back in the timeline?

Luigi: Michael probably shot at the bird because he was on a hair trigger and paniced. Being a city guy (Not meanign to rag on cityfolk on this but country people usually learn about firearms a lot earlier and are around them a lot more, at least in positive noncriminal ways. I first learned to shoot when I was 10 and my kids have been around me when I've been on the range and know how to act around firearms.) and not learning to handle or otherwise be around firearms until he was on the island is not conducive to good firearms control. And also Hurley asked did anyone else hear the bird call their name, and judging by the way sawyer reacted the bird might have been doing something that freaked Michael out enough to go all trigger happy on it.

I think this surprise with Henry being the leader shows how good they "others" are at manipulating things from a psychological standpoint. Psych warfare is a fine art and Henry is a ninja at it.

As for Michael we may see him again but we may not. Sometimes the bad guys do win. And in this case Micahael has to live with himself and the ghosts he has wrought as well as look at Walt and explain it to him if he ever asks (and doesnt already know) So as it is Michael will have his own demons whatever happens involving the island, the others and the Lostaways. And besides there are always flashbacks.

It was an interesting death for Ana Lucia, though--she, a character I didn't find interesting, killed another character I didn't find interesting in a pointless way, and was killed by yet another character I don't find interesting in another pointless way.

Yeah, when they removed the romance with Jack from Ana Lucia's story arc they removed a lot of my interest in the character.

Did the bird actually say Hurley's name? I didn't catch it.

It "sorta" makes a sound that sounds like his name. I didn't notice it, but merely listened more carefully the second time because Hurley mentioned it.

I'm not sure what it made. It didn't sound quite like any bird I've heard (including eagles and hawks) but it didnt sound clearly like hurley or anyone's name. But the point is that Hurley thought it called his name which is an interesting thing.

Because if it did call his name why would it do so? Also was Hurley the only one to hear it? Maybe the others did too but Jack being the practical anti-supernatural/psychic man of science dismissed it as a coincidence, Kate and Sawyer denied it as just one more wierd thign on the island (Sawyer I could see with that train of thought) and michael freaked out (maybe it didnt call his name but said soimething else)? I mean a bird who can call a person's name on a psychic level isnt too wierd when compared to there being polar bears, a big black cloud of doom , and everythign else on the island.

Ana lucia was a redshirt born to die. Not much mourning over her with me either. Libby I wanted to see more about and expecially how cruel it was to off her just as Hurley was getting points with her. And as for Michael I'm disappointed that things went this way but it does make for an interesting plot point/motivator for the characters.

*Spoilers for next season!!!!*


As we fade in on season 3, Jack is soon inexplicably released by the others. He proceeds back to the Lostaway camp, stumbling upon the remains of the Swan Station, as well as a barely alive Locke and Eko. With no equipment of any sort to speak of, Jack is forced to improvise by transplanting Eko's head onto Locke's body in order to save them both, leading to lots of hilarious odd couple type stories with an underlying feelgood message of tolerance.


*END SPOILERS*

[singing]

Put your head on my shoulder....

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Of course, it's been done already.

The Hurley bird seems to make an appearance in the Season 1 finale. It does sound like it might be screaming "Hurley" when it flies away, but that may be because that's what I want to hear. I watched the scene from this one again, and while I think it's possible that it could have said his name, it's even less clear in this episode than it was in Exodus Part 2.

However, Lindelof and Cuse hint that it may actually just be an inside joke.

Hmm INteresting info.

Hurley Bird I like it.

When Locke wanted to prevent Desmond from entering the code, he smashed the monitor - from what I could see, ONLY the monitor. Did old-style computers have the drive itself inside the monitor, or were they the same as today?
If so, provided the right wires were still attached, Desmond could still have stopped everything simply by entering the code as normal; whether the monitor was attached or not shouldn't have mattered.

Also, Eko's cross seemed strangely unaffected when the electro-magnet started charging up. Forks, shelving, weights - everything metallic and not tied down - went flying across the hatch, and yet his crucifix remained hanging perfectly normally down around his neck. We know it is magnetic as they've shown us close-ups of it being pulled towards the wall as he walked around the corridor at least twice before - and that was when the magnet was "dormant"!

It was an Apple ][. It probably didn't have a hard drive. It would have floppies at best, and those would be external.

Assuming that Tim meant the CPU, the motherboard, or whatever Apple (back then) called it, would I be correct in assuming the answer would still be the same?

Probably, though destroying the monitor like that could also send a power surge that would fry the mobo. The flyback transformer in a monitor holds a LOT of voltage.

Why did Kelvin feel it necessary to bury Radzinsky in 108 minutes? Couldn't he have started the job, taken a break to push the button, then returned to finish it?