Thought I'd raise this for discussion.

Basically, there seems to be some inconsistencies on how vampires in Buffy are created. In Graduation Day 2, Angel says Buffy won't become a vampire because she didn't drink his blood, but in Helpless, the watchers council lackey who gets turned doesn't look to have been in much of a state to have drunk the main vampires blood.

Also, how come the lackey was inhabited quickly, but some vampires take a lot longer - how many times did we see Buffy waiting in a graveyard for one to pop out of their grave?

One final thought, what happens if a Slayer is turned?

It was stated clearly by Buffy in the first episode that they •••• your blood, you •••• theirs, basically it's a whole big sucking thing.

We have to assume that the drinking of the vamps blood in Helpless happened of camera. I agree I don't see how it could have though.

Angel also had to drink Darla's blood in Becoming 2.

Incredible, the word s.u.c.k is being censored in my post.

I thought the Buffy movie sort of implied that she only made a good meal, and was immune to necromancy. Otherwise, Lothos would have had his army of slayer wives.

And seeing we never had met an undead slayer.

And the Necromancy reference is to Lords of Magic, where Vampires are Undead so powerful they can only be raised at the Death Great Temple.

Next question ought to be why are some people
turned into Happy Meals and others into vampires?

I mean the vamp that Darla tried to get to remake
her into a vampire in the most recent ANGEL episode was certainly a few fries short!

A more important question... How do vampires have sex?

i don't mean to be graphic, but in order for males to engage in sexual relations, there has to be some blood pumping into certain important organs. Vampire hearts don't beat, do they?

Or are vampires (in a strange case of rigor mortis) permanently in their condition? That would probably explain why Angel's brooding all the time.

Magic.

Considering Vampires can still do everything else of importance without beating hearts, I don't think that would be a problem. The better question is Where did vampires come from? Some ghoulish demon had too much fun playing necromancer with corpes and blood?

Well, episode 2 answered that. Blood sucking demons with a fettish for exchanging blood.

The Vampire Sucks out the blood, killing the person. They then inject their blood into them, a demon takes control, and keeps their memories, appearence et al, but isn't them.

I believe Matt's explanation is straight out of the episode "Lie to Me"

So does Angel have a demon AND his own soul together inside of him?

Re: The "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" movie - whether or not a slayer can become a vampire

I wouldn't treat the 1992 movie as canon for the TV series (1997-present). Vampires looked much different in the movie than they do in the TV show (pointy ears/no bumpy foreheads in the movie; round ears/bumpy foreheads/ability to look human in the TV show). Vampires also didn't turn to dust when staked in the movie, unlike in the TV show. Except for the common characters of (1) a reluctant, high school-aged vampire slayer from California named Buffy Summers, and (2) Buffy's watcher, the TV show seems to have been conceived from scratch.

I think that the TV show has implied that a slayer could become a vampire. However, I think that most vampires would rather just kill the slayer because it's something to brag about. I doubt too many vampires have really considered trying to turn the slayer into a vampire.

Re: How vampires are created

Several episodes of "Buffy the Vampire Slayer" and "Angel" have established that a human must drink at least a drop of the blood of a vampire to become a vampire. However, th BTVS episode "Buffy vs. Dracula" established that a human must be near death for the change to occur. Oddly, Angel didn't seem near death when he drank of Darla's blood to become a vampire, but I think that this is how Dracula explained it to Buffy when he told her to go ahead and have a taste of his blood (Buffy had a taste and didn't change). I don't know for sure whether or not a human must be near death specifically because of a vampire's bite and ensuing blood drain.

Re: Does Angel have a demon and his own soul inside of him?

Yes. In the BTVS episode, "The Dark Age," the demon part of Angel figured prominently in the last act of the show. Jenny Calender's body was possessed by a demon which had been jumping from host body to host body in order to stay alive. Angel got the demon to jump from Jenny Calender's body into his body. Then Angel's face and body began to contort as Angel's demon and the foreign demon "battled". The foreign demon was expelled from Angel's body, and then turned to ash, presumably weakened and unable to jump into another body quickly enough. Angel subsequently remarked that he'd had a demon inside him for over 200 years, just waiting for a good fight.

Len: It is. Strait out of the mouth of the Slayer. Sorry for lack of footnote.

Well..i've seen the rest of the bufyf eps and just about all the Angel ones since my last post...so I agree with what was posted above. The existence of the 2 entities within Angel is seen throughout the Angel series - in epsiodes like somnambulist and Reunion, it's clear Angel is constantly trying to balance the demands of the Vampire demon with the demands of his human soul.

Just to put a final stake in an undead horse... we actually see Angel's demon battling with his soul in the Angel 4th season episode "Orpheus."