Thank you Phil, that did the trick! Now I just have to wait for the Movies board to let me post because I have a lot of nits to unload there.

I think the movie board is opened...

Yes and no, Torque. The individual sections and boards are there, but when you try to click on the 'Movies' link on the main topics page, you get a 404 not found error.
If you click on the 'Tree View' option in the left frame, then you can see all the sections and movies, albeit in a rather unwieldy form.

Here's a link to the main Movies page.
http://nitcentral.philfarrand.com/cgi-bin/discus/board-auth.cgi?file=/8/8.html&lm=1166989277

It seems the 'Movies' link on the main page has an incorrect URL. but I can't edit it from the Movies page manager. I think only Phil can make that change.

Well, we all probably expected "growing pains" with the new version, plus a few aches and pains from reviving the (sadly mostly moribund) boards.

people actually click the topics board? I always just clicked last day. Luigi usually posts in enough of the "active" boards to keep them in there.

btw, I get an error 404 when I post in some of the movie boards. Such as the transformer board. It still accepts my post though...

ScottN, yea, I'm just glad we haven't had anything come up we couldn't work around so far.

Torque, I had the same issue (404 but acceptance).

Probably related to the general movies board issue.

But that's just a guess.

Either that or Luigi messed something up trying to be overly restrictive on his territory.

Drop it already, R.

Whatever. You know all i'm askign for is what I am entitled to. An apology from Luigi, an admission that he was wrong to berate me and mistreat me the way he has and a lifting of the unfair and agrievous ban against me. Do that and I'll be satisified drop it and walk away. That is all I am after what I am owed. He owes me an apology because he was the one that started this.

Really I mean this has been excessively unfair against me. And for no good reason. I did nothign that deserved this kind of foul mistreatment and all i have been asking for has been a simple apology and common adult decency from Luigi. Not the same childish 2 year old ignorance and arrogant jerk actions from him. Adults talk 2 year olds stick their fingers in their ears and ignore the person or react exactly the way Luigi does and throw a snit fit and take their toys and go away. Didnt he learn how to play nice and not be aspoiled little brat in preschool? And sicne everyone else indulges in and permits Luigi's asinine behavior and feeds his ego he continues to trip out. And getting rewarded for being a cold hearted SOB by being handed the movies and voyager boards and continueing the insulting and jerky "ban" against me on those boards is beyond the pale of decency. It is just plain stupid egotisim by Luigi that involves the ban on the movies board. Since he has to be the boss and lord Luigi and control and dominate everyone else that wont bow down and kiss his butt he has to keep this "ban" goign because to do the right ,proper and decent thing which would be to drop the "ban" and give me the apology he OWES me would be to show weakness and that would be sucha blow to his overblown ego.

Whatever. You know all i'm askign for is what I am entitled to. - R

Or what you think you're entitled to. What you are actually entitled to is nothing.

You've carried this little vendetta long enough, R that I no longer respect you, nor can I take you all that seriously.

Well that certainly equals the amount of respect that I have for you or anyone else here that turned their backs on me when Luigi attacked me.

And that is more than the level of respect I have for Luigi.

And benn i am no where near crazy thank you very much. not even close. In many ways I am more normal than you can ever imagine.

>Well that certainly equals the amount of respect that I have for you or anyone else here that turned their backs on me when Luigi attacked me.
>And that is more than the level of respect I have for Luigi.
-dude (aka R)

Considering you've accused, on numerous times, pretty much everyone here of at least turning a blind eye to, if not being complicit in, this supposed injustice, why do you bother to continue coming back here? Even if Luigi lifted the ban, do you think you have any credibility in this community after this constant whining?(BTW: Whining is not characterizing the validity, but the tone of the complaint, as well as the constant repitition of the charges after they have been ignored)

Either you continue to demonstrate the absurdist, insulting hyperbole and invective which lead to your banning from Luigi's boards in the first place, or you expose the trollishness of your behavior.

Given that R has shown a complete unwillingness to conduct himself in a manner in accordance with the rules of this site, let alone basic decorum, I feel we have no further options to us as a community short of banning him. I believe he has demonstrated disruptive behavior at least of the level of Brian Webber or Peter.

Who's R? This is, like the Big Lebowski, "the dude."

R, get back in the Pirates board where you belong!

Why have I continued to return here? Why does batman continue to prowl the streets of Gotham, why does Robin Hood continue to harrass the false king? Why do the three muskateers struggle against the cardinal? Why to fight against injustice, persecution and oppression. To see honor satisfied and restored.

Oh yes Dustin let us ban anyone who disagrees with the status quo. Remove the varlets and knaves who will not fall to bended knee for the false crown. Disruption what disruption have I caused, very little indeed sir! You doth think I was responsible for the recent tribulations this board suffered through. While took great humor from them I did not perpetrate them, nor did I tell any agents of mine to do so. Sometimes great things are the result of a little revolution. All societies and communities must not remain complacent. The sheep to become strong must have a wolf every once upon a time among them. Lest they become weak and die off. In many ways you should be thankful to the bad kharma that Luigi's actions persecuting me undertook.

Ah alas and alack my friends I care not to explain fully my motives and methods. Suffice it to say such I have been and shall continue to be an innocent, humble travellor of the etheric waves. Fare thee well mates. Fare thee well.

Keep telling yourself that. One of these days, someone has got to buy into your big lie.

The reality is that you are not the hero protecting the little people from the big bad villian and his minions. In fact, you have repeatedly accused all of us as being Luigi's (the so-called villian of the piece) lackey's anyway. You are far closer to GW Bush in Iraq than you are Batman or Robin Hood, attempting to 'civilize' the savages by forcing them to conform to your own cultural and organizational ideals, irrelevant of what their culture actually wants or needs.

When referencing your disruption, I was not speaking of the spam bot. I doubt you have the programming skills or connections to set one up, and if you had done so, you would have immediately come on here, crowing about the fact. As it was, it coincided with a marked increase with spam everywhere, not just nitcentral, so attempting to lay the blame on you would have been over the top.

What I was refering to, though, was your constant need to return to this subject, simultaneously proclaiming yourself the helpless victim and the noble hero. You followed Luigi from board to board attempting to pester him into addressing you, never addressing the topic of the board and disrupting discussions there. You were given your own board to vent in the Kitchen Sink before it became clear that you were not to be reasoned with, at which point you continued the discussion anyway, despite numerous warnings from the moderator (Mark Morgan), to the point of nearly being banned from the Kitchen Sink as well. You created a user account on wikipedia for the sole purpose of sabotaging Luigi's article on Nitcentral. Even your current string of posts consist of numerous digs and insults towards Luigi and other posters that, in your mind, should have stood up to him.

None of it is productive, let alone "in good cheer" as the site requires. Nor is it persuading anyone to join you in your "noble" fight against Luigi. All it is doing, as I and others told you from the beginning, is disrupting the community and convincing us that you are the villian.

Yeah whatever Dustin. Thanks for the confirmation that you're not in my fan club.Oh well. And you doubt I have the programming skills or connections to do what happened here? hahaha. Thanks for the vote of confidence there that makes me laugh. You really are a very funny person you know that Dustin.

Nice interpretation and spin on what you think happened. You only know what you want to know. Do you really think you know me? Know how I feel and think and truely am? That you know who all I know or talk to, The path I walk? That you see into my soul? To say yes to any of that truely is arrogant presumption.

But since I'm able to post on the threads again I've dropped the subject. Good won out. Now what say you drop it as well as you are the one that is straying into the not good cheer arena now. I'm over this. Peace has come once again.

And if you stop and think about it You have an enhanced website to work with, No real harm has been done to you or the people of the site. A minor annoyance at best occured. What are you so bent about? Do you lack the ability to forgive and forget?

And as for Wikipedia that is a lie sir. I have contributed articles and photos to the site includin acting on several minor spellcheck or other edits thoruhgout the site. My goal was not the "sabotage" Luigi's article but to ensure he played by the rules. They had already decided to place the artice up for deletion by their own hand, not mine.

Please do not try to atribute to me motivaions or goals that I do not have. And as for calling upon Luigi to be a reasonable person and talk to me that is the way adults should act. He should have spoken with me adult to adult, man to man. Why he choose to not do so is irrelevent as it happened, none can change the past it is a closed book. All we can do now is go forward into a bright new future.

Welcome back R!! I'm glad you choose to come back. I feel like that we need someone who can play the devil's advocate.

So did you have a great Christmas and how is your health? Have you gone back to work?

Thank you. I'm glad to see someone apreciates me and the role I can play in this place. I definately appear to have a contrarian POV on thingsaround here. Maybe I'm actually anakin bringing balance back to the force. (Of course you know why he was able to bring balance back, there was too much light side running around ;-) ) Just a joke.

My christmas was ok. Got a new telescope for me and the kids made out ok. My health has worked out. Last check up I'm healthy again. Been eating better, reducing stress and generally not over doing thigns so much.

As for work this is an interesting situation. As i mentioned to Scott I am now becoming what I have railed against. If things go well i will be part of a small business in my home area. Supplying biodiesel and other alternative fuel sources and materials to area farmers. This is of course if the small business loan comes through and a few other permits get approved. So if things dont go well then......

Otherwise I've become a full time farmer and hung my shingle out as a car mechanic. Doing oil changes and other stuff. Not a bad living. I'm my own boss, beholdin to none.

And even more interestingly i have inherited a rental property so i am a landlord. When it rains it poors.

But thank you for asking and caring about me and mine.

Dude, where's my caR?

R, I don't mind that you're back. I just wish you'd drop this senseless tirade/crusade against Luigi.

Nobody cares about it. We're glad to have your contributions, but we don't care about your personal disagreements with Luigi.

Could someone open the M*A*S*H boards, please?

Torque your car is on level 12, section B, spot 147.

Scott as far as I am concerned as long as I can post its dropped. I sincerely appreciate you and bajoran's sentiments about my contributions, somehow I doubt everyone feels the way you do but that doesnt matter. As for with Luigi it is sad people dont really care about this but thats part of the problem with America today anyhow, people dont care what happens to someone else as long as it doesnt affect them. And i do are. If this smae thing had happend to you you would ahve cared. Oh well this is done.

Isn't part of the problem with Americans that they care too much about things that DON'T affect them?

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Mike in many ways we are both right. People are caring about things that arnt affecting them but its the wrong things they shouldnt be caring about. Oh well.

>Yeah whatever Dustin. Thanks for the confirmation that you're not in my fan club.Oh well. And you doubt I have the programming skills or connections to do what happened here? hahaha. Thanks for the vote of confidence there that makes me laugh. You really are a very funny person you know that Dustin.
-dude (aka R)

Amazing how bad some people's memories are. Did I not say at the time that I regretted the situation had occurred since I wished to continue our discussion? Did I not suggest ways that you could restore yourself, if not in Luigi's eyes, at least in the community's? Did I not take time out of my busy day to correspond with you over email about these issues, until it became clear you had no intention of ever altering your behavior, since any advice that disagreed with your current position was inherently wrong?

As for the spambot, I suppose there are enough script kiddie tools out there to do this, but as I said, this was a worldwide increase in spam of all types. Forgive me for not thinking you'd gone that far off the deep end.

>Nice interpretation and spin on what you think happened. You only know what you want to know. Do you really think you know me? Know how I feel and think and truely am? That you know who all I know or talk to, The path I walk? That you see into my soul? To say yes to any of that truely is arrogant presumption.
-dude (aka R)

I made no such claim. Oddly enough, though, you have made such claims numerous times, including about me and Luigi. Or is it only presumption if I do it to you?

>But since I'm able to post on the threads again I've dropped the subject. Good won out. Now what say you drop it as well as you are the one that is straying into the not good cheer arena now. I'm over this. Peace has come once again.
-dude (aka R)

Considering Luigi's last post was on Monday, I would imagine he doesn't even know you have returned. Whether he is sick, on vacation, busy with family, etc., I would expect to see your PM posts disappear as soon as he returns.

As for the "not good cheer arena", your initial posts upon returning included such cheerful bits as:

"So do you think that finally peace can be achieved adn you have had enough of your childish arrogant sucky behavior? ... I sincerely hope you have enjoyed your arrogant power trip but dont you think its time for you to grow up and join the rest of the human race little man? " (PM Main Board, 12/25/06 10:38 pm)

"and your point is what exactly? I go where I will because it is right that I do so." (PM Main Board, 12/26/06 9:18 am)

"Maybe somday he will grow up and stop being such a spoiled little arrogant brat. especially if people stop letting him get away with his BS. ... No one did anythign about it other than to stand by with their hands in their pockets and allow it to happen and he gets away with acting like a spoiled brat who gets what he wants to do with no restrictions on his powers or actions. Instead he actually get rewarded for being a jerk." (Misc Emergencies Board 12, 12/26/06 4:01 pm)

"Why dont you just go on ahead and delete this thread instead of pretending to be polite and decent people?" (Jericho, 12/26/06 4:03 pm)

"If it is merely a glitch in the boards then i sincerely hope it is an unrecoverable glitch and you just have to live with it. " (Misc Emergencies Board 12, 12/26/06 4:19 pm)

All together, it is clear that you have never accepted any semblance of responsibility for your actions, or even a basic understanding of the rules here, having intiated your latest round of postings with ad hominem attacks on Luigi and the community as a whole for not standing up for you, then having the gall to say, "As you can see we should have no touble as I will refrain from using adult language or engage in any actual rule breaking." (PM Main Board, 12/28/06 11:04 pm)

>And if you stop and think about it You have an enhanced website to work with, No real harm has been done to you or the people of the site. A minor annoyance at best occured. What are you so bent about? Do you lack the ability to forgive and forget?
-dude (aka R)

So, are you now claiming responsibility for the spam attacks? That is the sole reason for the upgrade. It has absolutely nothing to do with you or any other disruptive poster. So, unless you are going to change your tune on that account, claiming credit for the upgrade is without any basis.

This is not about forgiveness, but about recitivism. If you have yet to acknowledge and accept that you bear at least some responsibility for the situation and are willing to make changes in your behavior, the likelyhood of a repeat scenario is quite high. Why welcome you back if it rather clear that you are simply going to spit in our faces a month from now because we didn't stand up to Luigi on your behalf?

>And as for Wikipedia that is a lie sir. I have contributed articles and photos to the site includin acting on several minor spellcheck or other edits thoruhgout the site. My goal was not the "sabotage" Luigi's article but to ensure he played by the rules. They had already decided to place the artice up for deletion by their own hand, not mine.
-dude (aka R)

Don't you hate it when the truth gets in the way of our lies? As can be seen if you look at your contribution history to Wikipedia (available here), your first four posts were to the deletion discussion on the Nitcentral article. Your first non-deletion contribution was not until almost three weeks after the start of the deletion discussion.

Whether or not you started the deletion argument, your contributions had little to do with whether or not NitCentral was notable, and more to do with the 'fact' that it is "a dying stagnant discussion board where arguments are more common than discussion, people dont care about each other or anyone who has a problem with their special people. It is like a high school clique."

All that said, IF you agree to
a) refrain from any further posting on the boards Luigi moderates until he returns and can make clear your status,
b) accept Luigi's determinination of your status without turning this into a flamewar again, and
c) contribute positively to the site through your contributions while following the rules of both the site as a whole and the individual forums,

I would have no problem accepting you back into the community. Aside from that, this is merely an exercise in futility.

Dustin. i am back. I did nothign wrong, have done nothing wrong and am the victim here. I am innocent and if you refuse to accept or believe that then you are free to do so. I will not change my innocent behavior just to satisfy the whims of any capricious and malicious individuals who do not like or agree with my POV. Why should I admit guilt when HAVE DONE NOTHING TO ADMIT TO? I HAVE DONE NOTHING WRONG TO BE GUILTY FOR!

I did not do the spam attacks but your easy dismisal of me and my abilities or the individuals I may know and their abilities was rather arrogant on your part and quite inulting and not in good cheer. Just because I am a redneck and a farmer does not mean I am ignorant. Just because I do not agree with the way things are done does not mean I am malicious. I only go so far as what was required to defend myself.

As for your demands.
a) I will post where I wish to post considering how it was wrong and asinine and insulting for Luigi to have banned me in th first place I see nothing wrong with me continuing my rights and posting on the topics I choose.
b) As long as Luigi continues to do the right thing and not try to stop me from posting r otherwise continue hisinsults and attacks against me then this will remain civil and up beat. If he tries to "ban" me again or otherwise nsults or attacks or says anything against me this will go back to the way it was. He was the one who wrongd me, attacked me and manipulated the situation so that he would have an excuse to abuse his power and authority. he is the one who should be having demands and conditions placed upon him, not rewarded and given an attaboy for oppressing and attackign innocent people.
c)I do contribute positively and will play by the rules of the ENTIRE board. Open for one open for all. None of this you get to play here but not there BS.

Oh and dustin or anyone else should you wish to continue discussing things with me should Luigi decide to refrain from doing the right thing and "ban" me again then you are more than welcome to come to a new website that I am a member of called Fratching.com. it is quite a bit more relaxed than PM here, the moderators are restrained from abusing their powers against posters to win an argument, and people are much more concerned with discussing somethign than hammering a point to death and "winning" an argument. Somethign that cannot be said for around here.

It is more adult though so there is occasional PG language. And since it is based in Britain I dont know if many folks here will like it as it leans left and has a distinctly british attitude towards things even though there are quite a few yanks on there like me. :-)

Oh and one other thing. I've already told the moderators of fratchign about Luigi and the way he did thigns here and they agreed that Luigi's kind of behavior would not be tolerated on Fratching.

(starts to say something)

Eh.

And what would they say about someone who refused to drop a personal argument, after being asked to do so by practically everyone on the site?

Well considering how the situation between Luigi and I would never have been permitted to occur as Luigi would have been punished for his actions and commetns against me (specifically te beration) just as well as I would have it is a moot point as there never would have been a cause for the arguments here. But the feel and attitudes of the people on the site are a lot different there than here. A lot more people are liberal or otherwise lean more left there than they do right or conservative here. And there are a few more difference in clture overall I guess as the site is based in britan and grew out of he site Customersuck which is a place for retail worker to air their gripes about sucky customers, mornoic management how crappy the job mrket is and I guess Dustin and others here would say •••• and moan about the retail world in general. Oh yeah and the site is PG so a few occasional words of adult language do occur.

But here are the official top of the forum rules for your perusal:

The rules are going to be loose and simple to start with.

1. No pornography or linking to similar. We're fairly easy-going over here, but not that easy-going.

2. If you're offended by someone insulting your ideas, tough. This is where you debate things - you can either ignore it and leave the site, or you can get stuck in and repudiate their claims. As long as other posters are staying within the rules, you will.

3. Respect your fellow members. You can take a person's idea to pieces and insult that if you like, but you will not insult or belittle your fellow forumers. "That idea doesn't work because..." is fine. "You're a moron if you believe that" is not. "That's a moronic idea" is borderline. No ad hominem attacks, please. However, insulting politicians and other famous figures - as long as nothing libellous is posted - is acceptable. If it's provable, it's not libel. If you heard it somewhere and there's no proof, you risk harming the site.

4. We reserve the right to change these rules as and when we see fit. We will do our best to inform you if this happens, and we expect it to happen every so often, but the onus is upon the user to refer back to these rules every so often and keep an eye on things.

5. Don't expect the moderators to remain neutral. The moderating and admin team are also members, and whilst we will not use any moderating abilities to win arguments, we have our opinions and will express them.

6. Language - no 'leet' speak ('k3wl' etc). No racial slurs unless the slurs are the subject of discussion. Other than that, harsh language is allowed in moderation. (ie don't use the word '••••' every other sentence).

7. If you're losing a debate, don't come running to us. It's your view and opinions under the microscope, so you have to defend them.

8. Content - don't just post "Politician X smells funny, and so do his policies." Which policies? Why?

9. Certain forums will likely have their own rules and guidelines. Keep an eye on those as well.

10. Never take any emnity from this site elsewhere. It happens here, it stays here.

11. Post counts mean nothing here. They are disabled.

Rapscallion

But anyhow things are much nicer there and I am appreciated and accepted by people who understand are not arrogant pricks like Luigi.

Which does make one wonder why I haave continued to try and work thigns out here when i have been ridiculed, bereated and am the lone liberal voice it seems like sometimes willing to stand up to the wave of conservatives here. Be the devil's advocate as it where or at least have a point of view contrary to popular and pervasive opinion here.

Not to mention its just downright galling to let Luigi get away with mistreating me the way he did ithout doin something about it.

This is not a conservative board at all. While I don't pretend to speak for the residents' political beliefs, I would venture to say there are very few conservative Republicans here.

I will say this board is fairly libertarian in nature, however, and is not particularly liberal either. I also don't know what being the "liberal voice" has anything to do with it--your arguments were with Luigi and Dustin, neither of whom are raging conservatives.

It's also worth noting that the "Fratching rules" are basically identical to Nitcentral.

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But anyhow things are much nicer there and I am appreciated and accepted by people who understand are not arrogant pricks like Luigi.

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Well Mark I will stop calling people names as long as I am not mistreated, luigi does not call me any names or otherwise bereate me again, and i can continue posting on ALL of the boards. Including those moderated by Luigi. If that happens then things will becool, otherwise I will continue to defend myself and the truth, justice and fairness.


and as for fratching it has the rules actually written out for everyone to see and understand and have to agree to when registering. As far as nitcentral the rules are whatever the whims of the moderators are it looks like. Also it must just be the general attitude of the folks on fratching as well as a dedication to keeping things calm and reasonable by the moderators who actually pay attention to the place unlike phil. As for this place not being conservative I guess thats in the eye of the beholder. This place certainly doesnt abide by the good cheer and relaxed fun civil place it is supposed to beEspecialy if someone has to act like they are on meet the press and cite 2 dozen sources and refeence everything like they are writign a doctorial dissertation. This is a discussion site fer crimeny's sake not meet the press! Chill out and relax and discus things. You dont sit around requesting people to cite their sources or have a dozen references when you get into a discussion in real life an if you do then the term anal retentive definately applies and you should have a craniorectalectomy.

You say you will not insult anyone as long as you can post on all the boards and not have been insulted.

Did Luigi insult you today? No. Can you post on all the boards? Yes. What do you do? You call him an arrogant prick. Was that really necessary?

dude: Well Mark I will stop calling people names as long as I am not mistreated, luigi does not call me any names or otherwise bereate me again, and i can continue posting on ALL of the boards.

He hasn't insulted you. In fact, he's downright ignored you. No one here has called you names, so I don't see why you have any justification to do that to anyone.

dude: If that happens then things will becool, otherwise I will continue to defend myself and the truth, justice and fairness.

You can easily do that without calling anyone an "arrogant pr*ck".

I know Nitcentral's rules aren't as specific as you'd like, but one of them clearly says "No cussing".

Other than this thing between you and Luigi, this board tends to be calm and good-natured, with positive and productive discussions.

And I believe the only time someone asks others to cite something is when they claim that someone said or did something or that some event happened somewhere that would support their argument.

1. No pornography or linking to similar. We're fairly easy-going over here, but not that easy-going.

= "No sleaze"

2. If you're offended by someone insulting your ideas, tough. This is where you debate things - you can either ignore it and leave the site, or you can get stuck in and repudiate their claims. As long as other posters are staying within the rules, you will.

= "Everybody gets a right to their own opinion."

3. Respect your fellow members. You can take a person's idea to pieces and insult that if you like, but you will not insult or belittle your fellow forumers. "That idea doesn't work because..." is fine. "You're a moron if you believe that" is not. "That's a moronic idea" is borderline. No ad hominem attacks, please. However, insulting politicians and other famous figures - as long as nothing libellous is posted - is acceptable. If it's provable, it's not libel. If you heard it somewhere and there's no proof, you risk harming the site.

No flamin' makes up part of that. I'd say the rest is more relaxed than this site allows.

4. We reserve the right to change these rules as and when we see fit. We will do our best to inform you if this happens, and we expect it to happen every so often, but the onus is upon the user to refer back to these rules every so often and keep an eye on things.

As far as I know, Nitcentral doesn't really have an equivalent, but it's Phil's site, so he can do whatever he pleases to the rules.

5. Don't expect the moderators to remain neutral. The moderating and admin team are also members, and whilst we will not use any moderating abilities to win arguments, we have our opinions and will express them.

I think that's a given and doesn't need to be stated.

6. Language - no 'leet' speak ('k3wl' etc). No racial slurs unless the slurs are the subject of discussion. Other than that, harsh language is allowed in moderation. (ie don't use the word '••••' every other sentence).

We have "no cussin'", so here's a bit tighter than there. Flamin' could also go under there.

7. If you're losing a debate, don't come running to us. It's your view and opinions under the microscope, so you have to defend them.

Not stated here, but I don't think it needs to be. Though we do have "no fussin'", so that would probably be part of that.

8. Content - don't just post "Politician X smells funny, and so do his policies." Which policies? Why?

Also not stated here, but I'm sure most of us would appreciate it.


Here's one that I think most of us already do: "Use common sense."

Sorry Mike You are correct that was not fuly required other than to describe the Sort of personality that is not acceptabe on fratching and the person on thissite who most readily falls within that category. i was using Luigi as an example of behaviors and attitudes that are not tolerated on Fratching or custmerssucks.com. Arrogance does not ingratiate you to the ones on those sites.

Josh: I guess so. I have had several people remark that they wish they could ahve said things about Luigi that I have. Apparently I am not the only one who has had a problem with Luigi but I m the only one who has stood up to him the most. Benn, Mike and John Lang have all had flare ups about Luigi's behavior, attitude and the way he has mishandled thigns with them before. So its not just me.

As for asking for people to cite look at anything Luigi talks about. He wants facts and numbers and a doctorial dissertaion with a half dozen references for anythign you discus about with him, like it doesnt matter what you say unless thee are a hlaf dozen talking heads who said it was well or that lying scumbag jerk SOB with the cheesy ceap porn star moustache John Stossel.

This is supposed to be a friedly discussion site not meet the press. One thing i like about Fratching is its not filled with people as uptight about stuff like that. And none of the discussions so far have wound up in a flame war. It is still a young site though so there may be time but unlike pharrand the moderators and super mods and site owner all check in daily and are highly active on the site to keep track of things. So a situation like between Luigi and I would not have been permitted to spin so far out of control as Luii would have been properly punishd for his actions against me as well as any supposed misdeeds of mine.

And Josh i have been called names I have been insulted and I have had personal emails deriding me and being very inflammatory towards me from yahoo accounts that have sprung up since the troubles with luigi arrive in my inbox.

And as for productive and positive that i'll leave in the eye of the beholder.

\quote(If that happens then things will becool, otherwise I will continue to defend myself and the truth, justice and fairness.)Call names, and you'll be banned. I don't care any more what excuses you make, and if Luigi acts the same way I'll seek the same redress.

But you, sir, are at zero tolerance from me.

Excuse me, but unless some dudes in here have comments relating to the testing of the new layout, discus version, passwords, profiles, etc; find some other place to debate the actions, past actions, or feelings regarding Luigi Novi and R!!!

It's getting harder to browse this board for updates on site problems/solutions when there's a debate going on relating to past events!

Hey i was trying to drop things but others kept draggin it up! But your wish is granted and I am dropping it.

Mark thank you for treating Luigi the sme as I. That is fairness and equality in action.

And about the site itself. I gotta say after having been on boards powered by VBulletin discus seems antiquated and more suited to the world of dialup (not that this is a bad thing). No matter how much you guild the lily it is still rather lacking in features.

One of the things i dislike is the lack of an ability for a person to go back into and edit one of ther posts after it has already ben posted. Yes you get the second chance to check it before you post it but if you think of a different way you wanted to say something, another idea or example then you have to make a whole new post.

Another is the entire editing window. Lacking a point and click interface for formatting, inserting links etc. that requires you to either look up or memorize special formatting tags is a bit annoying. Not majorly just kinda minor.

You can use basic HTML. That's what I do.

I didn't think that worked!

test of bold
test of italic
Secret Link

I didn't either.

Good to know.

Interesting I thought you had to use the basic discus tags found under formatting to the left. That opens a whole new realm of possibilities.

But still text editing and hardcoding html are not exactly cutting edge BBS/Message board/BLOG software.

And the lack of an edit feature for something you've already posted is still a bit of an annoyance.

That's by design. Most discussion boards don't allow ex post facto editing.

If you think about it, the reasons make sense.

It's to preserve evidense in uncivil fights on the board.

well I know Vbullettin the one that powers the other boards I vist does allow you to go back in and edit a posting even days after you posted it.

It does declare that this post was last edited on blah,blah at 0blahhrs by mrwonderful. And I would have to check with my other mods to see but I think it keeps like the last 2 or so revisionsin history for moderator review. And moderators can go in and edit your post for you as well to remove unpleasantness. That actually is level one of the punishments at fratching. You get your post edited for content and a warning that if the mod has to do that again you get a tempboot.

I like that because it makes for a clearer smoother board and if you goof up in your post or have another idea or list or otherwise need to change something that was posted. I mean there have been times when I have wound up posting four or five times in a row because I couldnt go back in and edit my post here to add an idea or thought to my original posting.

Oh and like this right here: I didnt think to say this to torque until afer I had already hit post this:

But uncivil conversations should already have been countered by other moderatorial actions, activities and tools.

You know R, it occured to me that the reason Luigi hasn't responded to you is that he once set out 14 questions for you to directly answer, which you failed to do. They are located in the moderator action board, but to save time for you I shall just copy and paste...

1. Why do you argue that you only use profanity or vitriolic insults in certain cases, when the site’s rules are clear that they are not permitted at all?

2. Why do you claim Dustin’s comments as insulting enough to warrant an attack on him, but do not allow this rationale for when others are offended by your comments and rule-breaking?

3. Why did you allege that I posted a comment by Stossel about poor people have a “free ride”, when no such comment was posted, and then not answer me when I first asked you about it above?

4. Why do you act as if it is somehow your decision to make to trespass on boards that you’ve been banned from, or that it is up to you to decide that one’s being banned from a given set of boards is something to be deciding by the public, when that has never been the modus operandi of any of the moderators? How can you justify a rule-breaking telling people in position of authority what they can and cannot do when that rule-breaker refuses to stop breaking the rules? You were told to stop insulting people, and that that would be your final warning. You responded by insulting me. In what way, therefore, would responding by banning you not be an appropriate consequence of this?

5. What is your response to my refutation of your advocacy of Straw Man arguments (or, as you put it, the “sounds like” argument)?

6. Why did you imply that I claimed to be a detractor of Stossel, when I never said any such thing, and when I made clear what the point was that I sought to illustrate by mentioning a subject on which I disagree with him?

7. Please tell me where I got “uptight” about Stossel, and tell me why you did not answer this question when I first put it to you.

8. If I am biased against your beliefs, as you continuously say, then why is the evidence not consistent with this? Why have I been happily responding, for the past several months, to your posts in which you promote government control and criticize capitalism without deleting your posts or banning you? You say “for some reason”, but why does it not occur to you that that simply isn’t the reason? Are you that unable to understand that you insulted other people, even after I warned you to stop, and that that is the reason you were banned? If so, why?

9. I illustrated how your profane and inappropriate “licking” comment was clearly directed at me, and not at “certain people in general”, as you falsely claimed. Why did you not answer this? What is your response to the material I provided that clearly shows that you were talking about me?

10. What is your response to my explanation of the distinction of lying and merely stating a falsehood? And again, why did you not respond to this when I first pointed it out to you on the Communism/Capitalism board?

11. Why have you repeated the statement that I never took part of the blame for the immigration post matter, when it was clear that I did, and when JoshM even pointed it out himself? Again, why did you not respond to this after I mentioned it in my last post above?

12. Why, after I point out that the tools of the Scientific Method are the best ones we have to explore issues of fact and reason, do you repeatedly use the bait-and-switch non sequitur of saying that in using those tools, that they “control” me, that this is mutually exclusive from compassion, and that using such tools to explore matters of fact is the same thing as exploring human interactions? Where, in all the posts in which I correctly pointed out that this was the correct methodology for empirical matters, did I say that it was also the correct methodology for human interactions?

13. Why did you not respond to my rebuttal of your comment about my “liking that ad hominem defense”? Why, if you dispute instances when I cite ad hominem, do you not simply say why, in your opinion, a given statement is not an example of ad hominem?

14. Why did you accuse me of fabricating things and of making ad hominem arguments—an accusation you have not made up until now—but not illustrate or elaborate on that charge with one example? Why did you say that I am guilty of everything that I accuse you of, when one of the things for which people such as yourself are so well known is the act of running away from answering a question directly (14 examples of which are right here), something that I strive not to do at all?

I would suggest that answering these might go someway to opening a dialogue with him.

Is the R horse dead yet, or are we still gonna keep whaling on it?

Good.

Mother.

Of.

God.

My home's Internet goes down for a week, and it's like they just announced they're out of coffee in Airplane 2.

I just started a new job today, and am using the Net here at work, since I was just dismissed for the day. Verizon said they'd probably have my home Net fixed by today, but I won't know for sure until I get home. I'll try and sort out this electronic 50-car pileup as soon as it is.

Happy New Year, guys.

Apparently, it was only mostly dead.

The People for the Ethical Treatment of Dead Horses called and filed a complaint.

Rodney Two thigns. 1 i dropped it as this is a dead subject. And 2 I already answered those way back when this first happened. So its all done and said before.

As for Luigi. i dont know what to say other than he and I have two diametrically opposed worldviews, beliefs and attitudes towards life the unvierse and everythign so I doubt there ever would be any reconciliation. However I am willing to be civil if he is willing to be civil. This is the chance to start anew and freash and forget the past and leave it dead and buried.

Mike: It got better. ;)

ScottN: This is another reason I like VBBS we have a smilie of a little cartoon dude beating a dead horse. Actually we also ahve quite a few more smilies in general with VBBS.

But anyhow I was incorrect in the last posting. I should have said Vbulletin has the dead horse smilie. Something the folks around here definately could use.

I was browsing the web today, visiting my favorties sites, and came across this article on Kottke. Thought everyone might enjoy it:

http://www.kottke.org/06/12/the-blog-commentors-gaze

I've just discovered another new thing apart from now being able to use HTML. Unless there's a sneakier way of doing it, you can't now bypass the censor!

I was trying to write something like "it wouldn't s-u-c-k them through time" (except I didn't use the dashes). I'd forgotten that this was a banned word. When the preview converted the word to four red dots, I used my old tried and tested method of putting "s \ {black} uck" (without the spaces). This used to work on the old board but this time I got a stern message saying that the word "s-u-c-k" is not allowed and to use another word instead!

Generally, of course, this is no bad thing, but it is unfortunate when you're trying to use a word that has several meanings and are using it in an innocent way!

Well that sucks.

Now doesn't that just Sucky

Well, spill the beans, Cheyne! Don't sit there all smug without telling me how you did it!! (And, hey, at least I was using the word innocently!)

sucks = has an S on the end, as for mine, it has a white "y" at the end of it in addition to making the part of it a link.

If you simply add a white S to the end without making part of it a link, it does the same thing and dots it out.

I honestly thought it would come out censored. That it didn't makes it even more funny.

That's some weird programming if putting an 's' on the end bypasses the censor. Obviously that word's not programmed in - but if the programmers were concerned that the four-letter word could be used crudely or insultingly, didn't it dawn on them that the five-letter word also could?!

I'm surprised in how one can write the F word with an s on the end and have it show up too...

I guess verbs are okay...

Hey, I always verb nouns! It's much more fun than nouning verbs!

Verbing weirds words

Cookie for the ref.

lalalalalalalalalla

CC:

Calvin and Hobbes.

I'd like Double Chocolate Chip, please.

Bravo, Scott!

Was that in the attack of the killer mutant snowmen book?

test

Test

Test

Is there a way to change the email in your profile?

I think you can do it by clicking on Edit Profile & changing the email address.

Well, if you see the option in there, let me know where because I didn't. all I saw were your the ability to change your display name (not the username) and password

Under

Information About You

Username:
Full Name:
E-mail Address:

is a button that reads

Save Profile Changes

You change your email address to something new & push that button.

I just changed mine back to the old NitCentral addie I used to use.

Ck ck 1 2 3. Is this thing on. I tried to post on the movie board and it said that my username and password won't work

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Hey, my password is working again!

What a pleasant surprise. Welcome back Tim

Yeah, welcome back and get yourself over to the Who section IMMEDIATELY!

*Pause*

Look, anything I may have ACCIDENTALLY just implied in the Audios: Fifth Doctor: Plague of the Daleks section about Nyssa being more of a dreary drippy wimp than a Xenon rebel was ENTIRELY directed at the AUTHOR of said story and not in any way at Nyssa herself. OK?

Hi,

This is a quick test to see if I remember how to post here--it has been a while since I postad,and I wanted to see if I remember my password.

If it works---I'M BACK!!!!!

Another exile returns to the fold. Welcome back, Jep.

See you in the Doctor Who section.

Welcome back JEP!

Testing?

Success?

Huzzah!