You know, I was looking over my Classic Trek guide, and noticed something... Voyager should really go looking for one of those original Constitution class vessels (like the NCC-1701, no bloody letter!).

In TOS "That Which Survives", the Enterprise is thrown 990 light years, but the crew figures to make it back in about a week or so. In addition, that Enterprise went at warp 14.1 (old scaling), so they made it in less time. Even assuming the non-warp 14 time frame, they could go 70000 light years in about (70 * 7) or 490 days. But then, that would make for an awfully short series, wouldn't it? Time estimates are from memory, so I may be off a little....

Since original series warp speeds were cubed by the speed of light, this means that warp 14 would have been 2,744 times the speed of light. The problem is this: even travelling at warp 14 all the way (and remember, the ship actually reached that speed only for a few seconds during the journey before Scotty was able to slow them down again) it would have taken over four months to travel the 990 light years back to the planet! Kirk and the rest of the party would be hard pressed to survive on the planet that long, especially since it was established that they had no food or water. Not to mention being stalked by the predatory Losira . . .

Lt. D'Amato is the head geologist in this episode. This position has changed since the time of "The Ultimate Computer," when the head geologist was named "Rawlings".

No red shirt is safe, not even at the transporter console; and in this episode, a blue shirt dies as well.

Nor at the Antimatter bypass switch... Though he was a red-jumpsuit instead of a redshirt.

What the heck is D'Amato doing? Before Losira happens upon him he seems to be busy with his survey. He seems to be fiddling with a dial on his tricorder. If you look closely though, he's playing with the small handle on the lid that covers the part of the tricorder that's supposed to contain the memory discs, etc.

How is D`Amato`s name pronounced? Usually it`s DeAmato, but at one point Sulu tells Kirk that Losira killed "Damato" (so it sounds like "Tomato")

Does Kirk not know D'Amato's first name? Why didn't he write it on the tombstone?

I distinctly heard Kirk refer to the transporter officer as "Ensign". Spock refers to him as the transporter officer. Kirk later refers to him as the transporter chief. An Ensign for a Chief?

Ensign or Chief, he seemed to have a high pain tolerance. Watkins and Sulu both screamed in agony when Losira touched them; the ensign just gave a soft moan.

Losira does not want them on the planet; so why did she toss the ship away so that the four were stuck? A simple warning to go away might have sufficed.

I find it amazing that simply by looking at a difference in the star pattern Spock is able to calculate how far away they were thrown. Has he memorized the star patterns for the entire galaxy?

McCoy with his trusty medical tricorder is able to determine in a moment what took an autopsy on the Enterprise.

Phil questioned the "Biological surge" when later McCoy stated that Losira gave no readings at all. Perhaps the surge occurred right when she was imploding D'Amato's cells. The other Losira had not yet touched anyone; therefore no readings.

Why did they wait so long to decide to use D'Amato's tricorder to broadcast a distress signal?

When the ship when wild, they mentioned that their speed had increased to Warp 8. I thought that the ship was ALREADY traveling at Warp 8, "and maybe a wee bit more."

What happened to Sulu's phaser? Or McCoy's?

Scott reported that the damaged circuitry looked like an Aurora Borealis. Isn't this another instance of subjective description that Spock had told him not to do anymore?

Sulu sure took his own sweet time yelling for help. I guess he thought that anyone so beautiful couldn't possibly be a threat.

It was convienient that they beamed down right in the vicinity of the door to the complex.

At one point on the bridge, an overhead light gave Spock a real pretty green streak in his hair.

What did Losira mean when she said "I will live as one" after she touched Kirk?

Losira spoke of a disease, and McCoy mentioned a virus. Did anyone think to check to see if they were infected as well before returning to the Enterprise?

Has it ever occurred to the landing parties to, perchance, take along a SURVIVAL KIT? In Dick Francis' book LONGSHOT, a survival expert always traveled with three of them. Even his largest kit was small enough to carry easily.

GUEST STAR PATROL (That Which Annoys)

Lee Meriwether (Losira) was a former Miss America, was Catwoman in the '60s Batman movie, and appeared in "Barnaby Jones".

She was also on the series "The Time Tunnel"

Plus some episodes of "Mission: Impossible".

Why is Spock acting like such a supercilious, sarcastic jerk in this episode?

As Phil would say, "Maybe his brain wasn`t wired in properly". But I noticed it too, perhaps he`s hiding his concerns for his captain`s safety? (He was similar in Gamesters, though less so)

This episode is the one where Chekov is mentioned by Kirk, but not seen. (Kirk says "If I had wanted a Russian history lesson, I`d have brought along Mr Chekov") Perhaps Chekov originally had Rhada`s lines (or Sulu, with Chekov down on the surface)

I read somwhere that the idea for Losira's "transporter" came from someone who noticed that when he (or she) turned off their TV set, they'd get the 2 lines sandwiching together.

I have to agree with the Chief on his note in the book: It's a very good effect.

Cheesy...but good.

Why did D.C Fontana have her name taken off this episode? Her pseudonym ("Michael Richards", not the actor who played Cosmo Kramer) was given story credit.

When a writer withdraws his or her name from a script or uses a pseudonym, it usually means that the writer wasn't satisfied with the final product, so it makes you wonder what her rough draft must have looked like. Were we cheated out of a better story? (Even though I think this episode the way it is.)

Let's hear it for the unknown nameless security guy whose quick reactions and draw with the phaser saves the landing party's life. It's not often that a redshirt saves the day at the end, usually they've been bumped off long before that time.

And doesn't Kirk thank SPOCK for saving them, rather than the security guard? Talk about not getting credit for a job well done!

Lt. Rhada (Naomi Pollack) was also in "Paradise Syndrome" as (I think) Miramannee's hamdmaiden. I think she had only one line.

I doubt the virus would be much of a worry. No one has lived on the planet for several thousand years, so the virus would have no way of surviving, assuming of course it effects Earth humans and Vulcans in the first place.

Why doesn't Losira appear the same way she disappears? In the Transporter room, she uses Trelane's "boing" noise to appear.

Once again the creators gyp us out on the female anatomy by not showing us Lee Meriwether's navel.

Once again, the shots of the Enterprise racing thru space is from the opening credits.

Losira seems to be farther away from the landing party every time she disappears.

The computer cube sfx sounds a little like the shuttlecraft interior.

The wave of energy inside the crawlspace is too cool. KUDOS!

BEST SUSPENSEFUL SCENE:
Sulu fires a phaser at Losira and it has no effect.

GREAT VISUALS The 3 Losiras attacking the landing party at the same time---KUDOS!

OKAAAAY! The BEAMS return to the hand phasers! No more green flash!

Funny thought...When Losira disappears, they SHOULD have had Kirk say to Sulu: "That reminds me, I forgot to turn off my TV back on the ship."

Why? Kirk didn't have a TV. Pike, on the other hand...

P.S. Yes, I know Losira's disappearance is old-style TV turn off effect.

In 1975, my brother and I were watching this episode, and he asked me almost the very same thing about Spock being a jerk that Todd asked on 5/14/99. I still don't have a good answer.

At one point Kirk says to Sulu, "If I wanted a Russian history lesson, he'd would have brought Chekov"....not a bad idea, Jim...however, Chekov ain't in this episode!

I think I figured out Spock's unusual behavior in this episode...he was being "super logical"...perhaps a preparation for his upcoming Kolinahr Discipline.

The cameras on Losira's planet are nothing short of amazing...during her pre-recorded message, the camera starts with a "full body shot" of Losira, then it changes to a close-up, then goes back to a "full body shot"

When Kirk says, "Energize", his voice is barely audible.

NANJAO: Dr. M'Benga returns...for one last time.
More great closeups of the Enterprise in this show.
The "Dirge" from "Spock's Brain" is back in full force in this episode.

CONTINUITY KUDOS: At one point Scotty notes that the ship doesn't "feel right"...this concept is revisited in "Relics" (TNG)

If you think about it, it makes sense. When you drive your car, you can feel if something is wrong with the engine. Same effect, only with the "feel" of the ship under warp.

Man, this was one pointless ep. You can practically hear the autopilot whirring away in the background:
One more computer that overstepped and needed to be turned off. One more plague. One more beautiful-yet-troublesome woman. One more beautiful-yet-deadly-planet. One more 'let's toss the Enterprise zillons of light-years away from Kirk so Spock can teeter on the edge of expressing concern' plot. Many, many more redshirts to kill off.
The single honest-to-goodness clever, creative idea is Losira's SFX. Which, as noted above, can be seen for free on any old TV set near you. Bleah.

Lt. Rhada...the woman in Sulu's spot...has a ZIT on her forehead.

Clearasil, anyone?

Pocket Books came out with a sequel to this episode; Book One of the 'Gateways' series, titled 'One Small Step' leads directly from the last scene of the episode, because the landing party is unable to beam up to the Enterprise thanks to being infected by the same virus that killed off the Kalandans.

Oh, well, hey, I knew there was one TOS cliche the original ep had left out.
Seriously...do we get any more info about the Kalandans and their culture from the book? Or Losira herself?

You learn very little more about Losira, since she's been dead for about 10,000 years, but you learn more about the Kalandans, and how powerful the fake planet/station really is.
You find out that the Kalandans were colonizing the galaxy about 200,000 years ago, and great detail is made of what the computer and interstellar transporter are made of, and how they work.
The planetoid looks as bad as it does because the surface hasn't been cared for during those 10,000 years, thus it's pretty dreary.
New aliens called the Petraw arrive and impersonate the Kalandans pretty early in the book, and a couple Klingon crews are thrown into the mix, as well.
A good book, but with two weird booboos; the author calls McCoy's blue uniform shirt a 'jacket', and calls the briefing room the 'conference room', which is what it's called in Picard's time.

Forgot one thing;
The book ends on a cliff-hanger, and so far Book 2 hasn't hit the stands, even though this novel is from August, so be warned.

I'm pretty sure it has, Will. It ends in the hard-cover book "What lay beyond" in which all the Gateway books end.

The plates of glass that make up Losira's cube overhead is the same color of glass used on Daystrom's computer. (Same swirly effect too)

In the final climactic scene, with the 3 Losiras attempting to touch the 3 Trek officers, Kirk says that they can no longer protect one another. This is untrue. Kirk should grab McCoy’s Losira, McCoy should grab Sulu’s Losira, and Sulu should grab Kirk’s Losira. All 3 remain protected, and each crewmember has a fun moment wrestling with Lee Meriwether.

Y'know, I'd have to go back and check...but I have a very strong impression that in the Blish early-draft novelization a desperate Kirk does in fact have a line to that effect.

"At one point Kirk says to Sulu, "If I wanted a Russian history lesson, he'd would have brought Chekov"....not a bad idea, Jim...however, Chekov ain't in this episode!"

How is that a nit? If anything, it's a good thing that he's still mentioned even though he's not there!

Well remembered, Kerrie. Blish wrote:
McCoy said, "We could each make a rush at the other's killer!"
"It's worth a try," Kirk said.

Spock appears before they can try it.

Rene---Let's say someone who has never seen "Star Trek" before decides to tune in on the Sci-Fi Channel & catches this episode. The person watching is going to wonder, "Who is Chekov?" when Kirk says that line. It would've been better to INCLUDE Chekov in the episode, so that way, first timers will know who Kirk is talking about.

In a few DS9 episodes, O'Brien mentions Keiko being on Bajor. Is that a nit too? I don't think so. It's a nice touch.

I gotta agree with Rene, John A. This is an extremely common way for TV series in general to keep absent characters in mind and thus maintain continuity (Wesley mentions his mom in a few NextGen eps after Pulaski takes over, too. Also, what about all the times Spock mentions his parents?)

It is a nice nod to Walter Koenig...and IMHO very few viewers spent that ep panicking because this Chekov person didn't show up.

(BTW, thanks for checking Blish for me, Sophie! Wonder if that was an actual line in the script or if the author himself found a nit and fixed it?)

Ditto, John. Sure, every episode may be the first episode for someone, but that doesn't mean the creators are obligated to shove every single character into an episode, just because someone wants to make mention of them. To do so would be unreasonable. New viewers can gather that they're referring to an unseen character. The logical extension of your suggestion is that characters can't make references to characters from previous episodes, like villains and such.

Sounds like Voyager

I don't see how. Voyager had bad continuity, but not in terms of making references to past epiosdes and characters. They made plenty. Their continuity problems were in properly referencing things on a premise-basis (distance travelled, new technologies acquired, torpedo count, etc.)

When Losira tells Sulu she's from here, he says, "Then the planet IS hollow!". Not necessarily. She could just as easily have come from a city 100 miles away.
Watch McCoy when Sulu blurts out, "Phaser on overload!" He must have been supremely confident that Kirk could shut it off, because he looks about as scared as if Sulu just said, "That's a nice-looking phaser."

The footage of the ship being rocked around comes from "All Our Yesterdays" TPTB must REALLY like that footage!

ANTI-NIT: In his book, Phil was wondering what Scott was doing in the accessway for all that time. The answer is: He was waiting for Spock's calculations regarding the Enterprise's ideal running conditions. If they weren't correct, the ship would blow up.

The footage of the ship being rocked around comes from "All Our Yesterdays" TPTB must REALLY like that footage!

I think you have a brain glitch there. IIRC, this episode was the only one to have no scenes on board the Enterprise. And if there were externals, the ship wasn't rocked around, it was waiting for the Big 3 to beam up, so they could flee Sarpedion before it went nova.

ScottN: You're thinking about "All Our Yesterdays"...that's where there were no Bridge sets & they were on Sarpedion. This episode is with Losira & the "TV transporter SFX"

OOPS! My mistake! You were right after all! I meant to say "TOMORROW is Yesterday!" (ding ding on me!) Sorry!

Can someone remove my previous posting on 6/12/03 @ 8:18 PM please? (Also this posting)

I should have said "that episode" instead of "this episode". It would have made what I meant more clear.

No..it was my fault. I had the correct episode written down (Tomorrow is Yesterday), but my hands typed the opposite of what I read (All Our Yesterdays). Ever have a day like that?

Let me try that again...

The footage of the ship being rocked in space comes from "Tomorrow is Yesterday" TPTB must REALLY love that footage!

D. C. Fontana's original script was called "Survival," and Losira could also affect people's thoughts and actions. Crewmen were made to attack each other, were made to think they had seen friends murder each other, and in a scene in his cabin, Kirk was almost made to commit suicide by stabbing himself.

Sir Rhosis

Sulu and McCoy's positions change when Kirk tests the planet surface with his phaser the second time. He steps forward, sets it to a higher setting, and Sulu and McCoy walk up to stand beside him. There's a scene of the surface getting phasered, and when we see the trio again, Sulu and McCoy are standing behind Kirk, who still has his phaser aimmed at the ground.
The phaser overloading shouldn't have just created an explosion of light, and a wisp of smoke-- it should have blasted up a ton of the topsoil and probably some of the stones and pieces of boulders in the explosion's area.
Kirk once said in a different episode that he was a light sleeper. This is contradicted when not only he, but also McCoy is able to ignore the loud explosion of Sulu's warning shot into the ground at Losira's feet, and his two following phaser shots. It's actually Sulu's calling his name that brings Kirk and McCoy running.
And I feel sorry for Sulu (and George Takei) in this episode; Kirk cuts him off in mids-sentence twice, and McCoy once. If I were Sulu I'd probably stop talking, since Kirk and McCoy are acting like know-it-alls.

This episode was the only one to have no scenes on board the Enterprise...
John pointed out on 6/12/03 that you were wrong about that one, Scott. Not only that, TPTB built a new set for this episode - the tube where Scotty does his work with that unnamed probe he uses.

Hey, Sir Rhosis,

I was wondering if you happen to have a copy of D. C. Fontana's original script "Survival"? I have early drafts of the "That Which Survives" script and a good deal of the dialogue is different from what ended up in the episode.
If you do, can you provide me with a copy of it because I would be willing to pay for one. If you don't currently possess the Survival script, I would greatly appreciate it if you can tell me where I can obtain a copy of this script.

Thanks for your time and Lee Meriwether as Losira is a 1st class babe.

Roga Daynar - roga_daynar@yahoo.com

Alas, no, I got my info from, iirc, Asherman's Compendium.

The only TOS scripts I have are "The Cage" (which, except for one scene with Winter (the Captain's name for a very short time), #1, and Colt spending the night on the surface of Talos after escaping, is pretty much as filmed.)

And I have a Revised Final of "Space Seed" which has a cut scene with McGivers and a girlfriend talking about how they hate dating wimpy men on the Enterprise, but is otherwise pretty much the same, except a few lines are slightly different than shot.

I love early drafts and have quite a few of other films, but not of Trek.

Sir Rhosis

The last shot of the Enterprise going at Warp 14 was lifted from "The Cage." With the exception of the classic shot of the camera panning into the bridge from outside the ship, this is the only time I can recall any effects shots from "The Cage" being re-used.

Why did Losira set Kirk's Phaser for overload? She's Phaser-proof! Unless...she knew Kirk, Sulu & McCoy were going to find the Central Command Center....which seems a bit of a stretch....unless she's got E.S.P.

Why does Spock chide Rhanda for being off on her computations? Spock should know that Rhanda is not Vulcan, therefore she is not capable of giving out those absolute prescise computations.

Adam: The Enterprise also flew to the Andromeda galaxy in By Any Other Name

Janeway could have used Warp14 to get home sooner

Actually, Warp 14 is only equivalent to Warp 9.7 on the new scale (according to the Encyclopaedia) and Voyager was already capable of Warp 9.975.

Judging by Season 7, it would have been a start if Janeway had taken the ship to warp at all...

Anonymous22: No, they flow towards the Andromeda Galaxy in By Any Other Name. It was stated in the episode that it would take 300 years to get there.

The problem with this episode is irrlelevant to warp factors, it's the stated distance of 990 light-years in just a few days (it takes Voyager about a year to go the same distance).

Darn. Should be "they *flew* towards..."

One of these days I'll learn how to use preview

Scottn: try I ve flew fly flown flowed to the Andromeda Galaxy
forever at warp 47

Rahda's not incapable of being more accurate. She just got lazy.

If I was D.C Fontana I wouldn't have wanted my name on this either!

I just watched this episode and I must ask: what was the point?

anyone?

Hello?

Filler, maybe; in order to complete the 24 episode order for the third season.

with filler like this, no wonder the show was soon canceled

I distinctly heard Kirk refer to the transporter officer as "Ensign".

Kirk said "That woman attacked Ensign Wyatt."
I would hope D'Amato's body would be retreived from the "ghost planet," so he could be given a proper burial.

Kerriem mentioned back in October, '01 that the planet was 'beautiful-yet-deadly', and 'many, many more redshirts to kill off'.
Firstly, I guess I have a different opinion of beauty, since all I saw was rocks, caves, sand, and weeds, and not a tree or flower in sight. hardly what most people would call 'beautiful'.
Secondly, I wasn't aware that TWO constitutes 'many, many'. Watkins and the transporter operator died; D'Amato was in science and blueshirt, so her 'redshirt' comment doesn't include him (pick, pick, pick!). However, let's say I give you 2 or 3 dollars. Do you feel like you have many, many dollars now? I think not.

Sometimes I could swear that D'Amato's name is pronounced 'D'AmaNto', with an 'N' in the third syllable.

Sulu warns Losira away saying he 'doesn't want to kill a woman'. That's nice, but wouldn't he try his phaser on stun first, rather than threatening to kill her there and then? That's not a peace-loving Federation attitude.

When the Enterprise is transported away, it approaches the camera, shaking. However, the stars in the background are shaking, too. Stranger, when we see Spock and Uhura falling about inside the ship, the camera is completely still, and not simulating the tremors.

We never see the faces of the transporter operator, D'Amato, or Watkins after they've been attacked and every cell in their bodies have been disrupted. It's probably a good thing, because wouldn't such severe, lethal cell destruction disfigure you? That's probably what Scott is observing when he sees the dead Watkins, says, "Och, ya poor lad", and knows he's dead and not just stunned unconscious.
However, this raises the question of how much of Sulu's shoulder was damaged by Losira's grazing touch. You'd think that he wouldn't be able to move it, or might even need surgery to repair damage from the epidermis down into his muscles and arteries, but he recovers reasonably fast. Heck, that McCoy is a fantastic doctor!

Here's some updated news on the Tunguska Event, which Sulu spoke of.

In early episodes, the control panel was right next to the bulkhead. In later episodes, like this one, the panel is much further away. Check it out here.

I should have said "transporter control panel" and "starboard bulkhead". Silly me.

Fun episode, despite the flaws. I still have no idea what Losira's touch was supposed to accomplish. Her comments about "I will then live as one, right down to your chromosomes", or whatever it was, just leaves me scratching my head. I don't get it: she seems to both want the crew dead (i.e. the overloading phaser), and needs them alive...in order to kill them!

I thought the guest casting was very lively. D'amato oozed with character, much more so than the typical extra-with-lines-designed-to-die. I would have liked to have seen more of him. Great voice, also.

Watkins in engineering, too. We never saw enough of Scotty's flunkies, and he would have been a good choice to have reappeared. He seemed very real and natural. But why did Losira, when talking to Watkins, go through that ruse about "wanting to learn more" about the ship when she already knew? I don't see what that accomplished. Come to think of it, how did she know? Was she telepathic? She knew everyone's name and rank, the engineering systems, etc. Her abilities and goals were quite the mystery.

How did the landing party write D'amato's name on the stone? I didn't know black magic markers were standard landing party issue.

Nice reference to the rock creatures on Janus VI.

After the ship was catapulted 990.7 light years from its previous position, Uhura asked if Spock was all right, and what had happened. Spock said, "The occipital area of my head seems to have impacted with the arm of the chair." All I could think about is how that can't have been good for a man who'd recently had his brain surgically removed. Of course, such miraculous healing is an ongoing TV nitpick. How many times did Steve McGarrett, for example, get shot, beat up, blinded, etc., only to return as good as new the next week?

That Whitch Annoys Us is on next week the enhanced.Losira is still my favorite!(just kiddn)

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this time a redshirt didn't die! He actually did something meaningful.

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What is Sgt. Baker- Watkins doing on the Enterprise!(from Hogan's heroes)

The remastered "That Which Survives" airs next weekend.

Not a lot to do, other than the ship rocketing through space. They probably won't touch the most notable effect in the episode, Losira's winking out effect. Kids these days don't know that she "went out" just like an old vacuum tube TV.

what's a vacuum tube tv?

A TV with vacuum tubes.

An additional thought: with the apparent Kalandan transporter technology to beam Losira about 900 light-years across space, what need had they to wait for supply ships?

They might be 901 light years away!

Watching last night's remastered version of "TWS" brought up a couple of nits for me.When Kirk,McCoy,& Sulu are standing outside of the cavern entrance to the computer complex,they are naturally wary.But Kirk then tells the others that if they wish to live that water & food are inside.How does he know this? Losira was previously scanned by McCoy with his medical tricorder & he clearly states that the readings are not human or alien at all.Losira states that the "others" are all gone.So why would Kirk assume that food & drink would be inside that cavern based on those facts? Of course Losira could have been lying & at that point they might as well take a chance & see what's inside the cave.When Spock & the security guard beam down from the Enterprise at the end of the episode,Kirk yells for them to destroy the computer cube on the ceiling.Why couldn't Kirk,McCoy,or Sulu do that with their own phasers once they were confronted by the 3 versions of Losira?

Kirk and the others no longer had their own phasers. They were destroyed earlier in the episode.

Say, the shot of Scotty was unchanged while he was in the jeffries tube!

Spock does seem a little perfect-conscious.Maybe Bones rewired him wrong in Spock's BRain

A couple of things I didn't get:

Kirk fires his phaser into the ground to to make a grave for D'amato. Looking at the unscathed rock, Sulu says "That's the same red rock!". The same as what? McCoy adds "That rock must have a high melting point.", and Kirk says "Eight thousand degrees centigrade.". How does he know? Also, since one of the mysteries of this small planet was its normal gravity, maybe the extra-dense rock might account for that?

I always figured the 8000C was the writers attempt to describe how hot the beam would make it.

Of course, that depends on the rock's specific heat, but still...

New shots of the Kalandan outpost, and new shots of the ships high-speed return. When the ship is thrown away from the planet, there's a white flash around it and the stars change.

The phaser shots, static effects in the crawlway, and Losira's vanishing effect were left alone.

Sulu sure recovers from having the cells in his shoulder disrupted pretty quickly. This should have killed the flesh there, but he seems fine later.

Spock mentions that he surmised a computer was in control because its actions were logical, but I disagree. If the computer wanted to destroy the Enterprise, it should have just used its transporter and not rematerialized the ship in one piece. If it wanted to give just a warning, it could have just given them one: "Private property, keep out!"

I think it was acting illogically, under the influence of Losira's personality. It's defense command was in conflict with her desire not to kill.

As for the above comments, they had concluded that the surface had no food or water. If, as they were guessing, the inhabitants lived underground, that would be the only possible source of food or water.

I'm not sure, but a previous reference to the red rock may have been cut for syndication. The syndication edits do fix on nit Phil mentioned. In the original version, after Spock counts down to zero Scott keeps working for several seconds more. In this edit, they go to commercial. When they return, Scott inserts his probe and the ship starts slowing immediately.

Spock is a bit of a caricature of himself in this episode -- lots of absurdly precise numbers, disdain for guessing or "thank you", etc.

One more -- Neither D'Amatto nor Watkins seem very surprised at a woman wearing one of Theiss' creations suddenly appearing. Watkins starts giving her a tour! Um, I think a non-crewmember abruptly appearing in Engineering would warrant an immediate call to Security.

Sulu puts in the best performance -- he tries to interrogate her, uses his phaser to defend himself, and calls for the others.

Actually, Watkins thinks pretty fast on his feet, recognizing immediately that she is an intruder and attempting to give false information in response to her question. Unfortunately, Losira already knows the facts he was trying to keep from her.

I used to think it was absurd that a race as barely ahead of the Federation as the Kalandans could build a planet.

Then, Dr. Carol Marcus came up with Genesis. Her flaw was proto-matter that David used. The Kalandans had a biological incompatibility problem.

I liked Bones' last speech about Losira..The previous ships probably spread the disease she was talking about.. all these thousands of years she was waiting to greet people who are dead..
(close enough , this is by my rewired memory banks))

What a guesser..

I like the end too. I mean after the closing credits are done and the episode comes to a stop . . . I love that part! LOL

RUMINATION: This episode makes a reference to "Devil in the Dark"

"That Which Survives" is next week's remastered episode. "The Cloud Minders" is the following weekend.

I have to correct a remark upstream -- Lt. Rahda is Indian, and has a bindi on her forehead. It's not a zit or a mole.

Kirk gives Sulu several short,crabby responses on the planet as if he's angry with him.But for what I don't know.

mike powers, you must have watched a shortened version of the episode
(as I did) where it didn't show the phaser(s) being overloaded, because I
asked also asked why one of the landing team didn't use one of theirs.

Sulu put his foot in his own mouth more than once, Example:
"I'd rather be on the Enterprise."
(This was said when they were about to enter the cave.)
No! Really? What a stupid, unnecessary thing to say.

the 74s tm,

Your mock title of the episode should be correctly spelled as "That Witch Annoys Us,"
or even go with "That Witch Survives," in my opinion.

mike powers, you must have watched a shortened version of the episode
(as I did) where it didn't show the phaser(s) being overloaded, because I
also asked why at least one of the landing team members didn't use one
of theirs.

Sulu put his foot in his own mouth more than once, Example:
"I'd rather be on the Enterprise."
(This was said when they were about to enter the cave.)
No! Really? That is such an unnecessary thing to say.


Correction to the other post

say ,Martin do you remember what was yr first Trek how old and what got you hooked?

I've always liked Kirk's response to Spock's statement that "Beauty is transitory" in the James Blish book adaptation for this episode but which wasn't on the show. Kirk:"Beauty survives,Mr.Spock.It survives in the memory of those who beheld it."

NANJAO. In the trailer, when Losira tries to touch Sulu & he backs away and fires toward her I couldn't help, but smirk because of George Takai's sexual orientation.

So why didn't anyone notice the change in star positions sooner? They noticed a lot sooner in Arena. (I guess Sulu is just that much more competant than Lt. Rhada.)

They use a shot from the opening where the ship zips toward & away from the camera. Problem is the background stars stay the same.

At the beginning, Spock lists many of the planet's strange features and says there is no logical way to explain its existence (or words to that effect). That's not true of course, the logical way to explain the planet at that point is that it is artificial.

This may be a bit of petty nitpicking, but Losira never actually touches her victims. She always touches their UNIFORMS. Not knowing exactly how the attack works this may not be a problem, but I feel like such a finely tuned biological attack should involve direct skin to skin contact.

The landing party spends at least a day with no food or water, and probably more since they had to wait for the return of the Enterprise. Lack of food would not be a big problem during that time, but the men should have looked a lot thirstier and weaker than they did when Spock and the red shirt finally come to their rescue.

When Scotty is told by Spock that the Enterprise has just been transported 990.7 light years away from the planet, Scotty's reaction is, "That's not possible! Nothing can do that!"
That's odd coming from Scotty, since it's already happened to them once before! The Metrons, at the end of 'Arena', transported the Enterprise from their solar system to a location near their starting point, Cestus III, some 500 parsecs distance.
And as one parsec equals 3.26 light years, which means they've been transported well over 1, 500 light years away from where they started out!

This episode makes a reference to "Devil in the Dark"
Not the least of which is this - The Kalandan's chamber at episode's end appears to be a partial re-use of Chief Vanderberg's office from that episode.

Todd said, 25% of my lifespan ago:

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Let's hear it for the unknown nameless security guy whose quick reactions and draw with the phaser saves the landing party's life.

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Here's a bit of a bio of D.C. Fontana, from Star Trek.com. The "Michael Richards" pseudonym she used for this episode was a take on her two brothers - Michael and Richard.

@Johnny Veitch wrote
How is D`Amato`s name pronounced? Usually it`s DeAmato, but at one point Sulu tells Kirk that Losira killed "Damato" (so it sounds like "Tomato")

If he's Maltese, D'Amato is pronounced Damato.

When Kirk throws away his overloading phaser, the explosion occurs a few feet to the right of the spot where it appears to land.

The planet's computer wanted to kill Kirk and his landing party. It was also perfectly capable of projecting multiple instances of Losira. So why didn't it when everyone was conducting their original survey of the planet, each well separated from the others?

When discussing the planet's strange features, Kirk says that it's about the size of Earth's moon, then Spock says that its mass is similar to Earth's. Such a planet would have a surface gravity in excess of 13 g, FAR too high to allow anyone to stand, or even stay alive.

The first of the Gateway novels suggested that the Kalandans were descended from a group of Iconian scientists that went rogue and broke off from the rest of their society.

The Kalandans, or rather another of their outposts, turn up in the TOS novel, That Which Divides, that came out a few years back.

I know they're not canon (unlike the Star Wars novels, that were considered canon until SW was assimilated by the Mouse), but it is nice that the novels will occasionally revisit places and races we only got a glimpse of.

When Spock and Scott are talking about the transporter tech's death, Spock speculates that 'someone could have entered the room'. So...no cameras in the transporter room to replay the events? Sounds like it would be valuable, as a security precaution.
When Scotty contacts Spock on the intercom about the 'feel of the ship', he says "Scott to bridge.", then repeats himself saying, "Scott to bridge." It's a good thing, too, since he didn't turn on the intercom when he hailed the bridge the first time! He switched it on when he repeated his hail.

Scotty was having an off day. I guess he was distracted by the ship "feeing wrong".

The Dr. Sanchez posts have been moved to the Trek Humor thread in the Classic Trek Sink.