(It's still a "duh!" on Spock's part, because he was the first mutineer)
I`ve got two good production problems from this episode. The "stock scene" of the viewscreen is used when Commander Locksene speaks to the crew of the Enterprise. (See my nits for "Wink Of An Eye") This scene contains Chekov, although Chekov had already been taken to sickbay. Also, a non-stock scene features Uhura on the bridge when she is meant to be in sickbay!
I wonder just how many times Kirk has ordered Uhura to do something that she's already doing. Seems to happen a lot.
The space suits have improved vastly since "The Naked Time" except for being so porous that McCoy can shoot right through them.
I think this fabric of space thing started affecting everyone sooner than they thought. First off, considering the state of the crew of the Defiant, Chekov should have immediately reported that he was feeling unwell. Out in the strangeness of space, bravely hiding your feelings can be very dangerous for everyone around you. Secondly, McCoy should have answered Kirk right away when his hand passed through the dead body. He could have experimented on the table WHILE he was speaking to Kirk. Kirk probably thought McCoy had passed out or something. Thirdly, Scott should have immediately reported to Kirk that something was wrong with the transporter, instead of waiting until they were ready to return. Fourthly, Sulu seemed to notice that Chekov was in pain, or something, yet didn't consider it worth reporting.
Convenient that McCoy came to the bridge just as Chekov wigged out.
I think the voice of Loskene was Barbara Babcock again. It sounded like her computer voice from "Assignment: Earth".
Just what was that metal bar being used for in Sickbay? And Christine took a long time to react.
The Tholian ships seemed to flatten out when viewed from the side.
Seems to me that the wake should have been put off until the current emergency was past. Scott seemed to agree; his moment of silence was very brief.
The disabled Tholian ship seemed to function as well as the second one.
Why did they bother changing Chekov's clothes in Sickbay? And Uhura's? And why (as if we didn't know) are Uhura's clothes less functional than Chekov's?
After everyone saw Kirk on the bridge, McCoy came back and untied Uhura. He might have first thought that she was hallucinating Kirk, but she also definitely showed signs of illness.
Do they really want Scott getting smashed on Theragen and Scotch? He's already had his dose; he doesn't need more.
They did not indicate any change in the magnification of the screen; yet when Kirk appeared, he looked even bigger than the Tholian ships.
Just why didn't they want Kirk to know that they had, in fact, followed his orders? (And if Kirk runs a check on that tape, he'll find Spock's fingerprints on it, which proves that they did look at it.)
Ruminations
This episode..by far was the best of the 3rd season.
New alien...The Tholians
New device...The Tholian web
Another great episode with the Enterprise firing its phasors
Spock's true feelings about Kirk and taking command are delightful
Personally, I find this to be the second best episode of the eintire series, upon a first viewing today of a very butchered version (What, no fight? All Phil talks about is this big fight and they don't even show it!), right behind "The Empath." I felt that the Spok/McCoy stuff was great here. The lack of Shatner really allowed the characters to have real interactions. Spok is out of his element here, and McCoy is left with no choice but to get nasty with him.
GREAT COSTUMING: The space suits in this episode are utterly fantastic.
Also Uhura in her nighties again.
GREAT SCENE: (aside from the entire episode) Uhura's BARE NAKED LEGS! (MMMMMM!)
Chekov asks if there's been any mutiny aboard a Starship. Spock says, "No"...well, how about "The Paradise Syndrome"? DUH!
An engineer that goes bonkers sees Scotty below & jumps him, but when he does, the guy he's jumping don't look like Doohan (Scotty)
The creators decided to use LIVE ACTORS playing dead on the Defiant...THAT'S A LOT BETTER than using mannequins like they did in "The Naked Time"
The two shots of 2 Starships in the same scene is great again!
KUDOS to the scenery dept...the chapel...first seen in "Balance of Terror" returns in this episode...and it looks EXACTLY THE SAME as it did before! THAT'S CONTINUITY!!!! YESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!
The transparent man on the Defiant SFX was extremely well done and the transparent Kirk scenes were superb!
I suppose Kirk is warming up for the big smoocheroo in "Plato's Stepchildren"...his first appearance is in Uhura's mirror while Uhura is in her pajamas. (Need I say more? The kiss was inevitable)
I must say I'm surprised too that a lot of the music in this episode is from the first season...very little is new.
I need a vacation...the other mutiny was in "This Side of Paradise" NOT "The Paradise Syndrome"
(It's still a "duh!" on Spock's part, because he was the first mutineer)
When the Orderly attacks McCoy...Chapel gets a big case of Capt. Harriman's Syndrome...gawking & dawdling
The DVD of this episode is a MUST for anyone's collection! The color & sound is razor sharp! The Tholians never looked any better!
McCoy's attitude about seeing Kirk's last message changes between the Chapel & Kirk's quarters...first he demands to see them, then he doesn't.
The lab door next to sick bay opens & closes with complete silence when Nurse Chapel comes in with latest results.
The door to the Chapel remains open during the entire duration of the memorial service.
There have been some minor changes to Uhura's quarters since "Elaan of Troyius"
When Uhura says that Chekov was more angry than frightened, her words don't match her lips.
On the Defiant, when McCoy passes his hand thru the table, you can see a map of EXO III hanging on the wall (Dr. Roger Korby's planet)
Near the end of the show, Kirk says, "Ah, yes" when he hears about the minor problems between McCoy & Spock...then the camera cuts away to Sulu & Chekov...FREEZE THE FRAME...you'll see a yeoman with blonde hair PICKING HER NOSE!!!!!!! (ewwwww!)
The lab door next to sick bay opens & closes with complete silence when Nurse Chapel comes in with latest results.
The door to the Chapel remains open during the entire duration of the memorial service.
NANJAO. The juxtaposition of these two nits is kind of funny.
Believe me, it wasn't intentional...but you're right, it IS FUNNY!
McCoy: Where would you like to have a small chat?
Chapel: In the Chapel is fine, It's open and I'm open.
The footage of the Enterprise firing the phasers comes from "Obsession"...but it's still rules!
After McCoy frees Uhura, there's a "page signal" heard, yet McCoy doen't get to answer it. They cut away to Spock's quarters and discuss the next interphase.
Hmmm....The Defiant seems to be covered with "Gorgon Glow" ® from "And the Children Shall Lead"
On my tape, McCoy answers the page signal. The results of the last theragen test are ready. (Perhaps you have the edited version.)
"Also, a non-stock scene features Uhura on the bridge when she is meant to be in sickbay!"
-Johnny Veitch
Granted, I'm watching the syndicated version, but I checked, and I don't see Uhura on the bridge from the time she sees Kirk to the time Chekov returns. (There is an African redshirt at her console, but it's a guy!)
McCoy answers the page?
WHOA! That means they're editing the DVD versions! Whatta ripoff!
Here's the dialogue, just to make sure we're thinking of the same scene:
McCoy walks up to Uhura's bed and removes her straps.
Uhura: Am I all right, Doctor?
McCoy: Yes, Uhura, you're fine.
Uhura: Then what I saw...
McCoy: It was real.
Uhura: Captain Kirk's...alive?
McCoy: We all saw him. The captain's still alive.
As McCoy helps Uhura sits up, there is a page signal. The doctor walks over to answer.
Chapel: Nurse Chapel to Dr. McCoy.
McCoy: McCoy here.
Chapel: Results of the last theragen test are ready for you, Doctor.
McCoy: I'll be right there.
McCoy leaves the room, and the blue-miniskirted extra in the back starts walking toward Uhura to assist her.
Cut to Scotty in Spock's quarters.
Scotty: Then your fears about that phaser were correct....
Why do the space suits have name plates on them? Does this mean that they have 428 seperate suits in storage?
One thing about the name plates would be to see who you are talking to. in a true space suit there would be a gold visor that would block a good percentage of the UV radiation. This is not able to be seen through from the outside. Nasa has the astronaut's names on their suits too. And since modern spacesuits are generally not off the rack (for the most part) it is neccessary for each astronaut on a mission to have their own specific suit. Not to mention the fact that on a 8 hour spacewalk i am sure that no one would want to be swapping suits. Other sci-fi shows have used numbers and/or colors to identify the wearer of the suit.
After Spock nerve pinches Chekov, they put him in a CHAIR. (Wouldn't lying him on the floor be better? I mean, he might fall off the chair)
Just before the Tholians fire their second salvo, Uhura rises to her feet and yells, "Mr. Spock!"...Question: Is standing up before a weapon striking your ship a smart thing to do? Wouldn't sitting down be better?
When the time comes to finally bring Kirk aboard, Spock orders, "Now,DOCTOR"...um...excuse me, Dr. McCoy is not working the transporter controls...I think O'Neil is.
Finally, watch Chekov's chair....he is in his regular chair at the start. But, just before the Tholians close the web, he is sitting in a chair with a slightly higher back to it. After Kirk is back in command, Chekov is back in his regular chair.
Spock can't seem to make up his mind whether he wants to sit or stand as the Enterprise approaches the Defiant.
This is the last time we see Uhura's quarters
Bzzt! And thank you for playing. here's your lovely parting gift.
In "Elaan of Troyius", Elaan uses Uhura's quarters.
BZZZT on you, ScottN....in PRODUCTION ORDER it's the last time we see Uhura's quarters. :P
(I've got all the DVDs now and they are in "Production order" and "The Tholian Web" was produced AFTER "Elaan of Troyius")
When McCoy brings the antidote to Spock and Scotty, Spock seems surprised that it's a theragen derivative. Why? At the memorial service, McCoy told him that's what he was working on!
When they beam Kirk back, Crewman J. Random Transporter Technician is manning the transporter. Shouldn't Scotty be doing something this critical?
Crewman J. Random Transporter Technician would be one Lt. O'Neil played by Sean Morgan. But point well taken.
During the brief two or three hours between interphases, Uhura is off-shift? During what must at least be yellow alert? I would think that she would be part of a watch already on duty and therefore kept on duty. During yellow alert, two of the three watches are on duty.
A nit regarding the nit about space suits: In "Star Trek - The Motion Picture," Spock and Kirk wore suits that did not have their names on them. The area in the airlock where Spock left the ship was not big enough to hold 428 suits. (That's not to say that the suits could not be stored elsewhere on the ship, though.)
The same suits were used in "Whom Gods Destroy," in the scene where the inmates of Elba II force Marta outside. I would like to see blown-up stills of that scene, to see the nameplates on the helmets (or were they covered up?)
Could be different types of suits. In "The Tholian Web", they were environmental suits. In "TMP", they were "thruster suits".
Plus, why assume that everyone on the ship is EVA certified?
Because in space it would be very bad if there was a reason to abandon ship and someone didn't have at least the basic suit knnowledge. Sorta like the modern Navy requiring everyone to know how to swim. It may not do you much good 100 miles at sea but you would have a slightly better chance of survival than without it. Also I always thought thruster suits were reqular EVA suits with a thruster pack attached sorta an improved MMU.
Yeah, but they don't require everyone to be SCUBA certified.
That's what a starship's escape pods are for. (I know, they didn't appear in TOS).
True I will grant you that. However it does seem that the thruster packs would be a removeable part of the standard suit that way Starfleet could standardize on one particular model and not have too many different pieces of equipment running around. Making the suit a modular piece of equipment would also allow for easier upgrades over time.
I could be wrong, but the Tholian ship kinda looks like the obelisk from "The Paradise Syndrome"
John A... more accurately, the Tholian ship was a re-used version of the S.S. Aurora from the awful "Way to Eden."
Third-season budget problems manifest themselves in the main viewscreen shots of the Defiant which, despite the shimmer effect, seems to resemble both the Doomsday-machine battered Constellation (the early, long view shots, not the AMT model in the closeups) and the M-5 assaulted Excalibur.
GOOFY DESIGN AWARD: Desktop speakers & desk mounted monitors....
After watching Kirk's last taped orders on the desk mounted monitor, Scotty pages Spock...He walks over and presses the intercom button on Kirk's desk to answer it. I thought the desk mounted mointor could play back messages AND be used for answering hails from the Bridge. Why do you need desktop speakers AND desk mounted monitors to answer hails? They both do the same thing!
Sorry I mispelled MONITOR one time in that last posting.
Why didn't Chekov report to McCoy that he felt dizzy while in the Defiant's Engine Room?
Even though Chekov attacked Sulu because of the effect of interspace, he still looked frightened to me, not angry.
In the Defiant engineering section, the shot of Chekov appears to have been reversed and played back a couple of times (like the cat dancing or whatever in those Meow Mix commercials).
Convenient that McCoy came to the bridge just as Chekov wigged out.
He was also conveniently walking down the corridor when Uhura started running and yelling.
Chekov: We've destroyed the Tholians' web!
Spock: Negative, Ensign. Utilizing ship's power has thrown us clear of it.
Since they were almost completely surrounded by the web (in fact, I think it was completed because the Tholians had already started towing them), wouldn't they have to destroy it in order to get clear of it?
McCoy said that Spock could have assured himself of a captaincy simply by leaving the area, which seems to imply that being captain was not foremost on Spock's mind. But a few minutes later, McCoy says "I can't believe that you would want Jim's command," as if his desire for command was his primary motivation for his actions.
NANJAO: Actually, this is kind of funny...if you look closely, the environmental suits that Kirk, Spock, McCoy & Chekov are wearing, the suits bear a striking resemblence to the Cybermen in "Doctor Who" during the second season (Patrick Troughton)
what is NANJAO?
Is it somebody's name or is it acronym?
An acronym: Not A Nit, Just An Observation.
"Since they were almost completely surrounded by the web (in fact, I think it was completed because the Tholians had already started towing them), wouldn't they have to destroy it in order to get clear of it?"
They took a shortcut through the interphase -- they were briefly in the "empty" universe Kirk was drawn into. Then the stars reappeared and they were back in their own universe.
What's wrong with the people on the Enterprise? They go into the Chapel for Kirk's memorial service & there's no more room to sit...so they stand the whole time. Wouldn't it be better to return to one's quarters and view the memorial service over the viewer that's in their quarters? I'm sure that's what the other 400 people on the ship did!
Maybe out of respect for their Captain, they would stay in the chapel. Speaking from a personal point of view, if I was an Enterprise crewman in that situation, I'd want to be with as many of my shipmates as possible during the memorial service.
In the blooper reel, during the battle scene, we see McCoy & Chapel being tossed around in Sickbay. At one point, McCoy grabs Chapel...on her breasts.
Chekov seems to be missing from Sickbay when McCoy frees Uhura. (I don't hear Chekov screaming anymore) I could be wrong. Anyone seen him?
Anybody here
Seen my old friend, Chekov?
Can you tell me where he's gone?
He went a little crazy
And was in Sickbay.
You know, I just looked around and he's gone.
(To the tune of "Abraham, Martin and John".)
Hey, I know what happened to the Defiant! Do I win a prize?
fizzle, you get a lot of spam emails for that guess!
or a game of fizzbin only on tuesdays! 
What was Kirk doing, looking around the bridge while Spock was scanning the area of space? It was like Kirk was looking for something and Spock was being distracting.
When McCoy is making his rounds checking out the dead Defiant crewmen, a poster of Planet Exo III can be seen in the background in one scene.
Sorry, Adam. I already mentioned that on Wednesday, August 29, 2001 - 07:42 pm
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Sorry, John. I skimmed through this page, and didn't see it. (Mod, you can delete my message.)
No problemo. I've done the same mistake more than once. (Including posting my own nit twice) It's become increasingly difficult to find "New Nits" for TOS. A lot of the "good ones" have been taken.
A lot of the "good ones" have been taken.
I understand that a lot of women have that same complaint!
Not to mention us guys!
Makes me wonder just why there was an Exo III poster hanging up. Maybe it became a tourist mecca after Dr. Korby's demise. ("Come to Exo III - and be REJUVENATED! A whole new YOU!")
Maybe a Defiant crewman bought one on e-bay.
I'm leaving the posts up as the following remarks won't make sense without them.
IMDB states that Paul Baxley was the Captain of the "Defiant" in this episode.
Now that I've had a closer look, I do believe that IS Eddie Paskey (Mr. Leslie) that is choking the Defiant Captain. (The hairstyle is the same as Paskey's)
Mwybe they could have got both Messrs. Baxley and Paskey back, to recreate their "roles" for "In A Mirror, Darkly." All TPTB would have needed for them was a little hair dye.
I wonder how the Enterprise crew would feel if they knew they had, although they had no way of knowing it, helped the Terran Empire. It was the events of this episode (the exchange of fire between the Enterprise and the Tholians) that caused the Defiant to be tossed into the Mirror Universe of 2155.
The Terran Empire was getting its a** kicked by the rebels until Alt-Archer and crew got a hold of the Defiant and used its weapons to turn the tide. Since the Empire is still around in Kirk's time, it's safe to assume that Empress Sato used the Defiant to crush the rebellion and stregthen the Empire's hold on the galaxy.
So in a very real sense, the Terran Empire owes its entire existence to the actions of the Enterprise crew! So not only were Kirk and Co. instrumental in the eventual demise of the Empire (as was revealed in the DS9 episode, Crossover), they also helped the Empire to reach the height of its power in the first place!
Funny how these things work out!
This episode has some of the best special effects in the oringinal Star Trek.
And although I'm not a real big fan of Star Trek Enterprise, this episode does tie in really nicely with the Enterprise episode "In a mirror, darkly, parts 1 and 2".
there was a Eddie Paskey website that listed all his Trek jobs, can someone locate it
Its amazing that Shatner allowed them to write him out of so much of this episode! Was he busy doing something else the week this was filmed?
Maybe he had meetings with his divorce lawyer. 
I know you're just joking, but FYI: on a biographical program on the History channel last weekend, it said that Shatner's wife did not file for divorce until after the show had been cancelled. Apparently as a result, his finances were pretty much wiped out and he was left living in a trailer, trying desperately to overcome his typecasting.
You gotta love McCoy in this episode, though. When was the last time your doctor told you your medication would make a good mix with alcohol?
Shatner's wife did not file for divorce until after the show had been cancelled.
But, according to Joan Winston, who's time on the set during the last days of filming was well documented in the 1975 book "Star Trek Lives," Shatner was staying with friends at that time. Apparently, his marriage had completely crumbled, and he had moved out of his home (something my lawyer told me NOT to do when I was going through my divorce in 2002, btw, as I would lose certain rights. And I didn't move.) After the series ended, Shatner was living in a motor home, and driving it to any acting job (even dinner theater) he could possibly get, just to pay the bills. (He said as much in one of his books, either "Star Trek Memories" or "Star Trek Movie Memories.")
Is it possible that being typecast as Kirk hurt Shatner's ability to get TV guest spots? Before Star Trek, Shatner was one of the most prolific and in-demand guest stars, appearing in nearly every important dramatic program of the early 60's. After Trek, it seems like his guest spots during most of the seventies were more sparse in comparison.
NANJAO: Except for the captain, none of the crew of the Defiant are higher than the rank of ensign. You can tell because no one besides the captain has any stripes or dashes on their sleeves.
Live long and prosper.
Remastered trailer is out- new more warbly effect for the Defiant exterior, new Tholian Ship shots (a fairly neat shield effect) and a few more effects (some of which look a little more CGI than effects we've had in other episodes... hopefully just unfinished versions stuck into the trailer) but still no clue in the trailer as to whether they've updated the Tholians to 'In A Mirror, Darkly' standards.
Will the Defiant have aft-torpedos like it did in the mirror episode of Enterprise?
At the conclusion of this episode Mr.Spock & Dr.McCoy clearly lie to Captain Kirk & state that they did not have time during the crisis to view the tape he left them in case of his death.I thought Vulcans couldn't lie or bluff?
exagerate...
Nope,this qualifies as an out-and-out fib.
I think the events of "The Enterprise Incident" clearly showed that Spock at least, could lie. For that matter, Spock told little white lies in "A Taste of Armageddon" and "The City On the Edge of Forever". So while Vulcans may be incapable of lying, Spock most certainly can.
Live long and prosper.
Spock's part human... so Vulcan's never lie, but he's not vulcan so bleh..
It seems that someone who never lies would have a tough time in Starfleet. As "The Enterprise Incident" showed, there are times you need to provide false information to your enemies.
The redo was done pretty well. Actually, the original was so good that the redone version doesn't look all that different. The main difference is some better shots of the Defiant.
Gah! I managed to set a program and tape the wrong chanel! Were the Tholians altered/upgraded to CGI Tholians, as in Enterprise's Through A Mirror, Darkly? Or left unaltered?
You can go to YouTube and search for The Tholian Web - fx reel, and you'll see all the spaceship scenes were redone, including a slight redesign of the Tholian ships. Since Loskene was never shown here, I'd assume that he remains the same.
In fact, if you type in 'Star Trek - remastered'
you'll see a list of all the episodes that have been remastered.
Oh, I know that... got fed up with missing I, Mudd TWICE and checked out the FX reel... but I wanted to stay visually unspoiled for when Tholian Web comes on again. I was just curious.
Someone said that they saw a poster of the planet Exo III (Dr. Korby's planet) in the Defiant's sickbay and wondering why is it in this episode.
It appears, Captain as though another starship visit that planet a year after our departure.
No,the Tholians in the remastered episode of "The Tholian Web" were left untouched.They modified the Tholian vessels,the affect of the Enterprise phasers upon the Tholian ships'screens is different,& the web itself has some subtle differences.This is one of the very few third season episodes that I really enjoyed.
The TV Land cut of this episode edits out the scene of the redshirt going bonkers at Kirk's memorial service. Which creates a continuity error, as now there is a man missing between cuts.
That is exactly why you should never watch these episodes on tv stations like TV Land. You should instead buy the uncut DVD box sets, like I did.
The U.S.S. Defiant would be seen again in the two part Enterprise episode "In a Mirror, Darkly".
Well, seeing how some of us can't afford box sets, can I borrow yours? Surely you won't need it while sitting in the attic having vision quests. 
The price of the box sets has gone down by about 2/3 since I bought mine, back when they were first released. I paid $100 per season; now Amazon is selling them at around $35 per.
Or, if you still can't afford the season sets, you can watch full (non-enhanced) episodes on line here.
Also at Veoh.
Here is an analysis of the episode's original outline, "In Essence Nothing." I assume Dave Eversole is being facetious in his last line about the fate of the Defiant.
Check out this goofy review from TrekMovie.com.
GREAT ENHANCED MOMENT:
TPTB restored Chapel's message on the intercom system regarding the latest Thyragen dirivative
after McCoy releases Uhura from Sickbay.
This message was omitted in the original TOS Two-Episode DVD release.
Nit:
When the Transporter fails to beam back Kirk during the first attempt, Scotty is in the Transporter Room.
However, seconds later, the Tholians attack and Scotty is in Engineering.
The remastered "The Tholian Web" airs next weekend, with "The Omega Glory" the following weekend.
Cool how they linked this episode to the Star Trek:Enterprise two-parter.And in it we finally get to see the insignia badge for the Defiant's crew.It reminded me of the Enterprise's arrow head insignia except they placed it on its side pointing to the right & it was wider.
Earlier Spock said sensors could not lock onto the Defiant, but later the transporters are able to lock onto the Defiant's bridge.
Here's director Ralph Senensky's blog. It explains what he shot for this episode, and his firing before filming had finished.
When Spock shakes Chekov on the bridge, and we see things from Chekov's POV, Chekov's mouth is open, but he's obviously not screaming, yet we hear his scream.
Crewman J. Random Transporter Technician would be one Lt. O'Neil played by Sean Morgan. But point well taken.
If he's a Lt., then why does he have a Lt. Cmdr insignia? Watch the shot of his hands during the transport. He has one and a half braids around the cuff.
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Scotty takes the Theragen off for his own purposes. I'm glad that Scott and Spock were the last two people who needed the antidote. Speaking of which, why wouldn't the two most *CRITICALLY IMPORTANT* (in this situation) crew members get the antidote *FIRST*???
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When Chekov is strapped down and screaming in Sickbay, it looks like the only thing holding his hands down is the strap on top -- they're not secured. Why doesn't he just slide his hands out?
Chief Sharky - "The Terran Empire was getting its a** kicked by the rebels until Alt-Archer and crew got a hold of the Defiant and used its weapons to turn the tide. Since the Empire is still around in Kirk's time, it's safe to assume that Empress Sato used the Defiant to crush the rebellion and stregthen the Empire's hold on the galaxy."
You can just imagine how much technology the Empire 'inherited' from the Federation, and not just in weaponry. Also medical knowledge, computer technology, data on those computers, star charts, personnel records of their alternate universe selves, shuttlecrafts, warp speed mechanics.
Mike - "At the conclusion of this episode Mr.Spock & Dr.McCoy clearly lie to Captain Kirk & state that they did not have time during the crisis to view the tape he left them in case of his death.I thought Vulcans couldn't lie or bluff?....this qualifies as an out-and-out fib."
Actually, Spock never said out loud that he didn't see the tape. He says something like, "Yes, you see the crisis was upon us and passed so quickly that we...mm-mm..." McCoy said outright that they never saw the tape, so Spock is covered from telling a lie.
Vulcans can and do lie. See The Enterprise Incident
Heck, the first episode to state "Vulcans don't lie" was The Menagerie, and what was Spock doing in that episode?
Spock is not a full Vulcan, he is half human, so that part of him may enable him to lie where pure Vulcans could not.
He totally lies, but not really in the scene I just described.
In 'A Taste of Armageddon', he tells an Eminiarian, "Sir, there is a multi-legged creature on your shoulder." just before he neck pinches him. Total lie. But, I think, depending on the writer, they tried to keep Spock truthful, despite many previous episodes to contradict the He-cannot-tell-a-lie myth.
Here's some inside information about this episode's filming, courtesy of These Are The Voyages. Note Ralph Senensky's name on the clapboard in the first still shot.
I have to smile when Scotty says "Heaven knows where it sent the Defiant"
Well, Scotty, I know where it ended up.
When they finally beam Captain Kirk on board, the transporter officer has only one braid. But in the closeup of his hand, there's one and a half braids.
Anti nit to my post of January 30, 2002 - 7:56 pm
quote:When they beam Kirk back, Crewman J. Random Transporter Technician is manning the transporter. Shouldn't Scotty be doing something this critical?
Finally! A Starfleet Captain that Kirk doesn't know! For once, Kirk doesn't make any comment of knowing or serving with the dead captain of the Defiant.
Everyone seen on the Defiant wore uniforms without a single officer braid. All we saw were Crewmen or Ensigns. My guess is the lower ranks eliminated the officers and then killed each other after that.
My guess is the lower ranks eliminated the officers and then killed each other after that.
I don't think so, Steve.
That would have taken coordination and planning, which the insanity we saw in this episode made people just not capable of.
Good thing that Kirk got off the Defiant, or else he would have found himself trapped in the Mirror Universe, more than 100 years in the past! I'm sure Alt-Archer and Co. would have loved to get a hold of him and interrogate him for all the future knowledge he had.
Now I'm imagining Kirk in a Starship Mine type episode fighting Archer and company. ;-)
How cool would that be!
I almost feel sorry for Archer & company. ;-)
Kirk's biggest advantage would be that he would have a better understanding of a Constitution class starship than Alt-Archer and his lot would.
If Kirk could secure the Defiant, the only problem would be finding a way back to his own universe and time.
The following lines of dialogue seem to imply that Kirk would not have survived the transfer:
MCCOY: Spock, are you sure that Jim is still alive?
SPOCK: The Captain was caught in our transporter beam when the Defiant phased out. It is possible he was spared the shock of transition and survived.
Spoilsport 
Another advantage for Kirk is he's going up against the Lunk-Headed Space Tourists (well, their Mirror universe counterparts who seem slightly more competent.) ;-)
Here you go, Keith. I moved your post to the correct thread.
Thanks. :-)
For those that think the third season was noting but duds, I refer them to this episode. It as a good one.
Good enough to warrant a sequel on Enterprise (In A Mirror Darkly), nearly 40 years later.
In his Classic Nitpicker's Guide, Phil chides Scotty for testing McCoy's drug by mixing it with scotch, asking "Is Scotty really going to go off to get drunk at a time like this?"
C'mon, Phil. This is Scotty. Scotch is like water to him.
Yeah, he has a high tolerance!
Besides, I think Scotty was joking here.
Me, on Aprul, 11, 2007 - In fact, if you type in 'Star Trek - remastered' you'll see a list of all the episodes that have been remastered."
Man, has it been 14 years already?! There's a generation out there that's only seen the remastered versions of the special effects, instead of the original ones.
A nit (but one that can be explained); there's a dead woman in a science/medical uniform on the floor in sickbay by an exit, but the door isn't triggered to open up. Answer-- it must have been locked.
The sound effects have 4 bleeps, but only 3 lights light up when Spock unlocks the compartment to retrieve Kirk's last orders tape.
The Defiant has been missing for 3 weeks when the Enterprise finds her, but the crew could have killed each other much more recently. After 3 weeks you'd think that the bodies would have decomposed in that time, unless Inter-space holds the bodies in stasis.
The Defiant has been missing for 3 weeks when the Enterprise finds her, but the crew could have killed each other much more recently. After 3 weeks you'd think that the bodies would have decomposed in that time, unless Inter-space holds the bodies in stasis.
The life support system was off-line, the vacuum preserved the bodies.
The inter-phase not only messed with living things, but ship's systems as well. The madness spread so fast that soon there was no one left to properly maintain said systems. In the end, those that were still alive were finished off when the lift support system failed.
I completely forgot about the life support system! That's why they were in EV-suits! D'OH!
(Luckily for them, someone left the artificial gravity on and the lights! Imagine how horrific the Defiant would look with lifeless bodies floating in the dark!)
Luckily for them, someone left the artificial gravity on and the lights! Imagine how horrific the Defiant would look with lifeless bodies floating in the dark!
I'm sure the special effects and budget people were grateful about that.
The gravity was still functioning when Alt-Archer and his crew boarded the ship.