Is There In Truth No Beauty?

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: ClassicTrek: Season Three: Is There In Truth No Beauty?

By D.K. Henderson on Wednesday, November 25, 1998 - 6:01 am:

I don't understand why everyone was so paranoid about Ambassador Kollos. He was shut up in a box, after all.

Spock mistook Miranda for the Ambassador. He must have thought that his visor was doing an incredible job, transforming a "hideous" blob of energy into a pretty human shape. And why would he think that the Ambassador would need to wear a visor? Very poor showing, Spock!

They seemed not to know that Kollos was arriving in a box, yet, in his quarters, there was a pedestal that exactly fitted the box! Kollos seemed to find the box very comfortable. Safely inside his quarters, with the door closed, he elected to remain in the box instead of getting out and enjoying more space.

Miranda doesn't seem to have made much of her time on Vulcan. She misinterprets Spock's thoughts as a temptation to take over her assignment. Later, with Kollos' image in her mind (Twice!) she still assumes that Marvick's murderous thoughts are directed at her. (Really, she comes across as being extremely self-centered!) Later, after Marvick's attack on Kollos, she sure takes her time investigating.

And just how did Marvick get into Kollos' quarters so easily? Aren't there any locks?

Who sounded the alarm that brought Kirk, Spock, McCoy, and Security?

A madman is loose on the Enterprise. Having called Engineering and gotten no answer, Kirk waits until the ship careens out of control before it occurs to him that something might be wrong down there.

Kirk shares Marvick's stubborn refusal to see the truth. In the arboretum (???), despite Miranda's constant display of coldness and lack of interest in the human male, Kirk gamely keeps trying to seduce her.

Communicating with Kollos, Miranda suddenly shrieks in what sounds like agony. Why? A cry of rage would have been more appropriate. Approximately three seconds later, she opens the door and is perfectly calm.

Regarding the comments on Ugly=evil, beauty=good, Kirk was right in saying that humans were still hanging on to that old prejudice. Just in the previous episode, "And the Children Shall Lead" the Gorgon shows his evil by becoming ugly.
At the dinner party, all the men (excluding Spock, of course) seem fixated on Miranda's beauty to the exclusion of all her other qualities. No wonder Miranda remained so detached. If I were her, I'd be offended.
Some thirty years after being referred to as the most beautiful woman to grace a starship, the actress returned to the Star Trek universe, and there were few, if any, references to her attractiveness. Any comments were directed at her crusty attitude, her intelligence, her skills. Apparently beauty does not only equal good. Beauty equals Youth.

How did McCoy know she was blind? Did he read her medical reports? If so, why was he so vocally dismayed at the thought of her looking on ugliness?

Finally, everyone who analyses this show comments on Roddenberry's greedy merchandising gimmick, that forced the writers to put the IDIC symbol into the show. I'm sorry, but good can sometimes come out of bad beginnings. I happen to think that the IDIC is a beautiful symbol. I'd love to have one myself. And I think that the concept, "Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combination" is absolutely magnificent. I think that the IDIC could be used as a symbol for anti-racism here on Earth.


By Mf on Wednesday, November 25, 1998 - 10:49 am:

I've always thought it ironic, yet consistent with what we know about Vulcans, that while they espouse the ideal of infinite diversity in infinite combinations, they always looked down on Spock for being half human.


By Anonymous on Monday, December 14, 1998 - 4:22 pm:

Beauty means good, while ugly means bad. I guess that will justify why Picard and company assisted the attractive looking Ba'ku against the hideous looking Son'a.


By BrianB on Wednesday, April 07, 1999 - 1:49 am:

To anonymous above, remember how desperate Picard was to restore Dr. Katherine (Jones) Pulaski? If you thought she could arguably be described as ugly at 50, wait til she's 100!
A very minor aside, I recall only one beautiful Ba'Ku. :)


By Keith Alan Morgan on Tuesday, April 13, 1999 - 4:33 am:

I haven't seen this episode in years, but if the Enterprise left the galaxy, then why didn't any crewmembers develop godlike powers like Gary Mitchell and Dr. Elizabeth Dehner did in Where No Man Has Gone Before? Better shielding, perhaps?


By juli k on Tuesday, July 27, 1999 - 6:36 pm:

When Miranda Jones begins her mind meld with Spock to bring him out of his insanity, Spock's arms are held down by restraints. A few moments later, the restraints have disappeared. Why? BILC for Spock to return the meld!


By Todd Pence on Sunday, April 30, 2000 - 7:44 pm:

I just watched this one again today, for the first time in a while. I just have to say, as I've said before, what a great episode. To me, episodes like these are what Star Trek is all about. I don't know about you guys, but the scene where Kollos takes over Spock's body and comments on experiencing human sensations for the first time never fails to move me. I consider this scene one of the absolute greatest and defining moments of ANY Trek series, and, incidentally, one of Nimoy's finest acting moments as well.


By Will Spencer on Monday, May 01, 2000 - 10:05 am:

KAM; I don't think the Enterprise left the galaxy, despite the background appearing the same as the interior of the energy barrier. The lack of damage to the ship's controls is proof of that. A lack of reference points is mentioned, which means they couldn't just turn around 180 degrees and go back to where they started from. Rather, what I think happened was Marvick put the ship into warp, and broke into hyper-space, similar to the realm that ships travel in, in 'Babylon 5', which would mean that the Enterprise isn't within any known universe.


By tim gueguen on Tuesday, May 09, 2000 - 11:09 pm:

I suspect a modern production of this episode would be less effective in actually showing Kollos. They'd probably go for showing "safe" bits of him via cheesy looking CGI tenticles or some such.

You would think it would be easier to create an "encouter suit" a la Ambassador Kosh on Babylon 5 than to have to have a telepath around for communication. Then again Trek never showed much in the way of robotics or cybernetics. This is the same universe that limited Captain Pike to a flashing light for communication after his accident.


By Adam Bomb on Friday, February 16, 2001 - 6:19 pm:

I thought the actor playing Marvick (David Frankham) was too young to be one of the designers of the Enterprise, which at that time was at least 13 years old.


By Will Spencer on Monday, February 19, 2001 - 10:21 am:

I guess Marvick led a clean life and hid his age well. He would be a 'boy-genius' along with Richard Daystrom if he was in his 20's when he worked on the Enterprise. Also, Marvick would have built on previous generations of engineer's work, to improve existing technology, rather than building the Enterprise from the ground up, meaning Starfleet perhaps warp 5 technology, but Marvick brought it up to warp 8.
I feel an even worse casting decision was on TNG for that female engineering specialist that took credit for some of the Enterprise-D's systems, who Geordi first recreates on the holodeck, and then meets in person. She looked like she was about 5 years out of college, so she wasn't believeable to me at all.


By Adam Bomb on Monday, February 19, 2001 - 2:41 pm:

The actress's name is Susan Gibney (character name was Leah Brahms.) She was also seen in the mid '90's playing a lesbian in the Showtime series "Bedtime." She was very young at the time. Perhaps an older actress (Wendie Malick, perhaps, who is now close to 50) may have fit better, but it wouldn't have given Geordi the taste of unrequited love that a younger woman could leave.
Re: Larry Marvick: He could have been older than his appearence. By the 23rd century, people would be living longer, and maybe keeping a youthful appearence longer.


By John A. Lang on Friday, July 20, 2001 - 4:19 pm:

Phil noted in his book how when the Medusan Ambassador beams over the first time, everyone except Spock leaves the Transporter Room & Spock dons a special visor. Then, when the Medusan Ambassador beams off, Kirk stays in the Transporter Room without a visor yet Spock has one on....In my opinion...this was Shatner's doing (and idea)...he didn't want Nimoy to have more "camera time" then he did. (From what I heard, there was a lot of similar Shatner squabbles during all 3 seasons)


By Adam Bomb on Sunday, July 22, 2001 - 3:25 pm:

John-I again refer you to "Inside Star Trek" by Bob Justman and Herb Solow. There is an incident where Fred Freiberger put Gene Roddenberry on the spot regarding just who the star of the show is. I think the book is out of print, but it may be available in the bargain bin (where I got mine) or in a used book store.


By John A. Lang on Wednesday, August 15, 2001 - 5:42 pm:

The fish-eye lens used to make things seems out of sorts for the person gone mad is quite good!

Hmm...do these aliens have a fast-food restaurant called "Medusian in the Box"? (Instead of "Jack in the Box")... That'd be funny....

A Starship pulls up to drive-thru window... "I'd like a hamburger and a *AHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!*"


By John A. Lang on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 6:47 pm:

DUMB SCRIPTING: What I don't understand is why they didn't have Diana Muldaur portray Dr. Ann Mulhall again and have her say, "Oh, after the incident with Sargon & Thalassa I decided to become an ambassador for the Medusians. Instead, they do the dopey thing of giving her new wardrobe, give her the "Kelinda hairstyle" (From "By Any Other Name") and change her name to Dr. Miranda Jones. DUMB DUMB DUMB!
(Maybe it should be "dumb 'scpipting' "...that'd explain everything)


By Todd Pence on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 7:18 pm:

Yeah, but then they'd have to have Spock's father explain that he defected from the Romulans after he miraculously escaped the destruction of his ship; Captain Koloth explain that he used to be Trelane but grew up and joined the Klingons; Captain Tracy explain that he used to go by the name of Simon Van gelder; Dr. Sevrin explain that he survived his gunshot woumds, got an ear job and left Ekos to start the Eden movement, et. al.


By Rene on Monday, August 20, 2001 - 7:45 pm:

Dumb? So an actor can't have two roles in one series? Sorry...but you are acting ridiculous.


By John A. Lang on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 8:41 pm:

I think an actor/actress can have 2 different roles in a series, but for goodness sake, disguise the voice, change the way they act...SOMETHING! Van Gelder & Tracey are so identical in behavior, it's almost silly. The same applies with Mulhall & Jones.

But in reality, I think it would've been nicer to have seen Mulhall "move up the career ladder"...that way the creators could've shown that there's career advancement in the future for women...aside from saying, "Hailing frequencies open" and fetching coffee.


By Rene on Tuesday, August 21, 2001 - 8:47 pm:

"move up the career ladder" and suddenly become blind too?


By John A. Lang on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 3:31 pm:

Why not? Stevie Wonder did. (OK, he was born blind), but he didn't allow his blindness to stop him from becoming one of the greatest comtemporary musicians of the 20th century.

Ditto for Ray Charles, and let's not forget about Helen Keller..she was no musician, but her rise to fame was due to the fact that she wouldn't quit.


By ScottN on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 6:18 pm:

John, the key word there is "become". Mulhall wasn't blind, Jones was.


By John A. Lang on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 9:14 pm:

So what if Muldaur's character of Mulhall became blind after leaving the Enterprise? I know it's not a pleasant idea, but it does happen to people in cases of severe head trauma or stroke.
I think if Muldaur retained her role as Mulhall in this episode, lost her eyesight in some accident before the episode started and yet still became an ambassador for the Medusians, it would've added some real depth and drama to the story, and more depth to "Star Trek" as a series.
I must say though that seeing Muldaur as Jones portraying a blind ambassador is quite impressive. However,it just would've been a better story if they did it the way I mentioned earlier with Mulhall as the blind ambassador. That way they would avoid trying to cover up the fact that Muldaur as now playing a different person.
Mark Lenard is the only one to date who successfully made his characters different from one another.(IMHO)


By ScottN on Wednesday, August 22, 2001 - 11:46 pm:

The other problem is that Mulhall wasn't telepathic.


By Rene on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 7:20 am:

And how do you go from being a lowly officer (lieutenant or whatever she was) to being ambassador in one year or less.


By John A. Lang on Thursday, August 23, 2001 - 3:42 pm:

Rene asked,----"How do you get from being a lowly lieutenant to being an ambassador in less than a year?" (paraphrased version)

Answer: Study or sleep around...take your pick :)


By John A. Lang on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 7:23 pm:

RUMINATION: This episode establishes that "Uhura" is Swahili for "Freedom".


By ScottN on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 8:37 pm:

That didn't need to be established.


By John A. Lang on Friday, August 24, 2001 - 8:47 pm:

People who don't know Swahili don't know that. Ditto for people who haven't read the back story on Uhura's name. I thought it was educational in a roundabout way.


By John A. Lang on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 6:53 pm:

RUMINATION: This episode gives us the "First look" at the I.D.I.C. medallion.

In this episode, Scotty wears a KILT! (is he wearing anything underneath? I don't wanna know)

At one point in Jones' quarters, Larry Marvick gets real close to the door...but it does not open...I tell ya' these doors have "drama sensors" on them!

Some of the sfx for the barrier come from "Where No Man Has Gone Before"

Some of the new SFX of the Enterprise in the barrier is so cool, I have to wear a sweater everytime I watch it!

The warp-by is from the opening credits.

GREAT MOMENTS: When Spock dons the red visor, the camera angle changes and the screen begins to turn red...VERY GOOD! THAT'S good story telling...giving the listener the person's point of view.

Some of the wide shots of the viewscreen is missing Sulu...AGAIN! Who is that guy?

GREAT LINE: "She walks in beauty by the night" Spock/Kollos joined together, speaking about Uhura...I agree, however, she walks in beauty any time of the day.


By John A. Lang on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 6:55 pm:

Forgot one....

Mr. Leslie hath resurrected again!
FUNNY THOUGHT: I wonder, does Leslie portray Chirst in the ship's Easter program? :)


By John A. Lang on Tuesday, August 28, 2001 - 9:23 pm:

Ding ding...I meant Does Leslie portray CHRIST in the ship's Easter program :)

(I need to get into the habit of hitting "Spell check")


By Todd Pence on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 8:38 pm:

He'd have to fight for the role with Lt. Galloway


By John A. Lang on Thursday, August 30, 2001 - 8:40 pm:

Naw----Galloway would play Lazarus from The Gospel of St. John Chapter 11.


By John A. Lang on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 2:05 pm:

The first shot of the Enterprise racing thru space is flipped.

I'm not sure about this one.....

I think the guy who played Marvick blows his line in the lounge...

When Spock says that McCoy seems to believe the old Greek legend that good is beautiful, Larry says, "And the reverse of course is that what is beautiful is good."...wasn't he supposed to say, "And the reverse of course is that what is ugly is evil."...I mean they were talking about opposites here in this conversation. (?)
Listen to the whole thing before you reply.


By Rene on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 5:03 pm:

They were using logically implication here.

"beautiful implies good" and "good implies beautiful"

Which do not mean the same thing (since the first implication states ugly people can be good too, while that is not true with the second implication."

But anyway, your statement

"ugly implies evil" can be written as
"not beautiful implies not good"
which is the same as
"good implies beautiful"


By Rene on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 5:08 pm:

So the answer is...No.

"ugly is evil" is not the opposite of "good is beautiful"....It's the same thing. So the line was correct in the aired episode.


By John A. Lang on Sunday, September 02, 2001 - 9:36 pm:

Thanx for clearing that up....it just sounded kinda goofy.

GOOD SFX...Kollos. Looking at that alien for an extended period of time COULD drive one mad. It is possible.


By John A. Lang on Monday, September 10, 2001 - 6:41 pm:

CAMERA KUDOS: When people approach the red door in which Kollos is (or will be), the cameraman uses a "walking sensation" with his/her camera as the people approach the door...it looks like YOU are walking WITH the people to Kollos!


By John A. Lang on Monday, October 15, 2001 - 5:33 pm:

When the ship is lost in the barrier, they have Spock perform a mind link with Kollos. After it is done, Spock (who wears blue, as we all know) takes the helm to pilot the ship out. HOWEVER, in one of the wideshots, there's a man with a YELLOW SHIRT at the helm. What happened to Spock?!

I must add it's the same wideshot that they use some of the other times in the season...it's supposed to be Sulu...but as we all know, it ain't! Look at the hair!


By John A. Lang on Thursday, October 18, 2001 - 7:40 pm:

Nimoy really deserve an Emmy for his perfomance in this episode when he portrays Spock/Kollos.
You almost feel like crying when he says, "So soon?" when Kirk asks him to break the link.


By Bill on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 1:39 am:

It is never really clear why Spock wore the mask at the very end of the episode. Unless there is some chance of catching a glimpse of the Medusan inside of the box as it is being transported. But then as mentioned before, why is Kirk there without a visor? I think that this is the biggest nit of the TOS saga. Concerning Shatner's screen time, they could have had Kirk come in and talk to Spock after the transport. Or edited the scene so that Kirk had left the room before Spock sent them down. Bad, bad, bad,...very, very bad.


By kerriem on Monday, February 11, 2002 - 2:21 pm:

It is never really clear why Spock wore the mask at the very end of the episode.

Well...it's not really an explanation for Kirk's lack of one, but given that Spock now knows in precise and (especially to a Vulcan) horrific detail what could happen should he get even a peep into that box...I wouldn't blame him for wearing the mask even when Kollos isn't in the room, just in case.

I think that this is the biggest nit of the TOS saga.

Boy, no offense, but you are new at this nitpicking thing, aren't you, Bill? :)
Among others...remember the 'where's the shuttlecraft' plot hole you yourself just today posted for 'The Enemy Within'?


By Bill on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 - 1:01 am:

I agree with your point, kerriam, about Spock being more careful given what he had been through.

About the final scene being the biggest nit, maybe I should have stated that it was the one that bothered me the most.


By kerriem on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 - 5:30 am:

Ahhhh, I get you now. Yeah, every nitpicker has one of those. (Mine's the 'howcum no guards with Spock the second beam-down?' from 'Piece of the Action.')


By Merat on Tuesday, February 12, 2002 - 5:31 am:

This gives me an idea, Kerriem...


By qttroassi on Monday, March 04, 2002 - 10:36 am:

BIG TIME production mistake here. After Kirk is finished growling with Miranda about helping Spock, Kirk walks out of the room and into a corridor showing a shot of his right side which is at an angle so high and far enough away that it shows no ceiling above, just dark area revealing that they are on a stage and not a spaceship! Oops ...


By Carrie on Monday, May 27, 2002 - 9:05 am:

From KAM >> I haven't seen this episode in years, but if the Enterprise left the galaxy, then why didn't any crewmembers develop godlike powers like Gary Mitchell and Dr. Elizabeth Dehner did in Where No Man Has Gone Before? Better shielding, perhaps?

Response from Will Spencer > KAM; I don't think the Enterprise left the galaxy, despite the background appearing the same as the interior of the energy barrier. The lack of damage to the ship's controls is proof of that. A lack of reference points is mentioned, which means they couldn't just turn around 180 degrees and go back to where they started from. Rather, what I think happened was Marvick put the ship into warp, and broke into hyper-space, similar to the realm that ships travel in, in 'Babylon 5', which would mean that the Enterprise isn't within any known universe.

Actually, I'd have to rewatch the episode, but I'm almost sure that KAM is right, they /did/ leave the galaxy. And KAM... Yes, the shields would have to be MUCH better than before. Because as noted on another board, a full telepath would have a /lot/ higher psi rating than either Mitchell or Dehner did. So she'd be person number 1 to get hit with the effect and start changing.


By Eight of Nine on Saturday, August 17, 2002 - 9:52 am:

From "Best Dialogue You Will Never Hear On Star Trek" ---

MIRANDA JONES: Ah, you must be Dr Katherine Pulaski.

PULASKI: It's a pleasure to finally meet you, Dr Jones ... wait a minute, haven't I seen you somewhere before?

JONES: Odd ... I was about to say the same thing about you ... If I didn't know better, I'd say I see you every morning when I look in the mirror...

At which point the music comes up, courtesy of AQUA:

"Dr Jones, Dr Jones, calling Dr Jones..."


By Adam Bomb on Thursday, September 05, 2002 - 7:40 am:

According to Justman and Solow's Inside Star Trek, the first choice for Dr. Miranda Jones was Jessica Walter. (I remembered it while watching an episode of Law and Order that she guest starred in with her husband, Ron Leibman.) Ms. Walter played an obsessed fan of DJ Clint Eastwood in Mr. Eastwood's directorial debut, Play Misty For Me.


By John A. Lang on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 8:17 pm:

DUNCE CAP AWARD: Marvick tries to kill Kollos with a phaser. Doesn't he know you can't kill a non-corporeal life form with a phaser? IT JUST CAN'T BE DONE! (See: "Obsession")


By ScottN on Wednesday, September 18, 2002 - 8:22 pm:

Kirk is just as guilty in "Obsession", as you point out.


By Nick Angeloni (Nangeloni) on Tuesday, February 11, 2003 - 5:36 pm:

Deleted a bit of trouble on this and a few other topics... I firmly believe that everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but presenting that opinion with little-to-no tact gets you nowhere. In the future, please try to stay on topic and keep personal attacks off the board.


By John A. Lang on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 7:44 am:

According to "Mind Meld", Shatner REFUSED to wear the I.D.I.C. medal because he felt it was "commercialism" and it "cheapened" his character as Kirk. Therefore, Nimoy was asked to wear it. (and did)


By John A. Lang on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 7:54 am:

***Leslie Alert*** Mr. Leslie is a Security Man in this episode. (I REALLY need to get my eyes checked) :(


By John A. Lang on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 3:17 pm:

I forgot to mention that Mr. Leslie is also one of the extras in the hallway when Kirk orders the evacuation of the hallway.


By John A. Lang on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 3:21 pm:

When the Enterprise goes toward the barrier, one of the warp-bys is flipped! (The ship ALWAYS goes from left to right...in this case it went right to left)


By Rene on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 3:37 pm:

You already said that.


By John A. Lang on Sunday, June 08, 2003 - 3:41 pm:

It was the Medusans that made me forget :)


By John A. Lang on Monday, June 09, 2003 - 10:21 pm:

Just why couldn't Spock/Kollos just TELL Mr. Sulu which buttons to push on the Helm instead of taking the Helm himself? (All he did was press a few buttons to plot a course out of the barrier) If they did it that way, it'd erase the continuity error of the yellow shirt being at the Helm when they exit the barrier! (Spock was supposed to be at the Helm & he wears blue)


By kerriem on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 7:19 am:

Not necessarily. You're making some huge assumptions there - that Spock/Kollos isn't a perfectionist who wanted to make sure this incredibly important information was entered correctly; that pressing those 'few buttons' actually involved creating a hugely complex set of helm instructions, and simply shouting the co-ordinates out to Sulu wasn't gonna achieve much; that the information needed to be entered too quickly, or so precisely, that only Spock-augmented-by-Kollos'-mind could handle it; etc. etc.


By John A. Lang on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 12:05 pm:

Hmmm. Interesting point. In that case, Janeway sure could've used a Medusan on the Voyager.


By Course, That-a-way! on Tuesday, June 10, 2003 - 6:49 pm:

Hmmm. Interesting point. In that case, Janeway sure could've used a Medusan on the Voyager. -John A. Lang


why, they only go at impulse anyway?

speaking of which...

in the episode Night on Voyager How did they know they were still going straight without any nav. references? (like this episode)


By Adam Bomb on Sunday, December 07, 2003 - 10:22 am:

When Kirk is pacing in the corridor while Spock is in Sickbay, he is further away from the doorway in the close-up than he is in the long shot.
When Spock goes to mind-meld (and unmeld) with Kollos, you can see the edge of the Science station where the Communications station had been pulled out.
Dr. Jones tone of voice is dripping with sarcasm when she says, in regard to Spock first meeting Kollos, "The Ambassador would be charmed."
In the dinner scene, Kirk has more than a few stray hairs on his head. Did Paramount run out of Aqua-Net that day?


By Will on Monday, December 08, 2003 - 10:12 am:

Obviously a case of static Kling-on. :)


By Todd Pence on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 8:11 pm:

Kollos navigating the Enterprise back into the galaxy in the body of Spock was a great example of thinking outside the box.


By Anonwellmanfromthatpun on Wednesday, January 21, 2004 - 10:00 pm:

OOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!! A Major groan from.


By ScottN on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 9:04 am:

Todd, that one was worthy of myself and KAM. Welcome to the master punster club!


By Anonpunisher on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 11:49 am:

PUNished.


By kerriem on Thursday, January 22, 2004 - 6:10 pm:

Ooooh...Todd, somehow I want to applaud you and smack you silly all at the same time. Congratulations.


By Gordon Long on Saturday, March 20, 2004 - 11:45 pm:

Ya know...if the disembodied energy beings like Sargon, Henoch, and Thalassa can temporarily possess humanoid bodies and build robots, why can't the Medusans? (Yes, I know, Sargon and company are much older, more techy, and such...just an interesting plot comparison since Diana Muldaur did both episodes (and we are lucky to have her!)

I once saw an old joke about how the Kzinti (from the Animateds) captured a Medusan and were arguing about how to eat him. The captain said, "We can use sugar."

"Why sugar?" said a crewmember.

"Because everyone knows a spoonful of sugar helps the Medusan go down."

(Ducks and runs for cover behind the Barrier)

Speaking of the Barrier...if you go at light speed, ie Warp One, you'll burn your engines out and risk crewmembers going psycho psychic on you.
If you have Kelvan bracing and fly fast with a good navigator at the helm, you can speed through the barrier very well. If you go moderately fast without the Kelvan bracing (pulled to be reverse-engineered so the peace envoy ships to the Kelvans could slip through the barrier, you'll hit pink-black hyperspace.


By John A. Lang on Wednesday, June 30, 2004 - 8:22 pm:

GREAT DIALOGUE:

When Kirk gives Miranda the rose.

Miranda: I suppose it has thorns.

Kirk: I never knew one that didn't.

What makes this dialogue so great is: what Kirk is REALLY talking about is: Dr. Miranda Jones...SHE is the rose with thorns!


By Adam Bomb on Friday, September 03, 2004 - 3:34 pm:

In the fight scene in Engineering, one man hits against that big, bulky thing in the middle that houses the dilithium crystals. (Does it have a name?) You can see the thing move slightly.


By Sir Rhosis on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 4:00 pm:

Unless I missed some dialogue, Spock doesn't necessarily mistake Miranda for Kollos in the first beam-in.

Yeah, sure the shot is angled in a such a way, and the musical cues suggest confusion, and Nimoy does do a bit of a face, but I think that is to fool the first-time viewer. We can just say that Spock just happened to accidentally look off-put.

Sir Rhosis


By John A. Lang on Thursday, December 30, 2004 - 9:22 pm:

You did miss some dialogue.

Spock looks right at Miranda and calls her "Ambassador Kollos"

This nit is mentioned in Phil's book as well.


By Sir Rhosis on Friday, December 31, 2004 - 12:11 pm:

^^Thanks, John. I should rewatch before I post. :D

Sir Rhosis


By Kinggodzillak on Wednesday, September 07, 2005 - 8:58 am:

Marvick punches Hadley when gets off the turbolift, but only a couple of minutes later, he's up on the bridge, unpunched and well.

And isn't this the final episode for Lt Leslie?...*sniff*...:(


By Mr. Crusher on Monday, March 06, 2006 - 3:55 pm:

In act one, at the dinner for Dr Jones, when Kirk and McCoy were going on and on about how beautiful Dr Jones is, all I wanted to do was run to my bathroom and barf!

I guess beauty really is in the eye of the beholder!


By John A. Lang on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 5:40 am:

Assuming that Kollos knows it's dangerous for humanoids to look upon him, why didn't Kollos remind his host (Spock) to don the goggles again before going back to the box?


By John A. Lang on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 5:42 am:

Security is very lax aboard the Enterprise. There's no guards outside Kollo's door


By Benn on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 10:56 am:

Security is very lax aboard the Enterprise. There's no guards outside Kollo's door- John A. Lang

Why would there be? Kollos is an ambassador for one thing. For another, I would imagine that the crew had been informed about Kollos and the nature of his race, the Medusans. I doubt very much that anyone on the Enterprise would want to risk their sanity by breaking into the ambassador's quarters and sneaking a peak at him. The mere fact that looking at a Medusan will cause insanity I would think would be the best security Kollos could have had.

Live long and prosper.


By John A. Lang on Saturday, July 01, 2006 - 7:15 pm:

Well...modern-day Ambassador have guards. I just figured future Ambassadors would have them too. But I see your point none-the-less


By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Sunday, August 12, 2007 - 8:25 pm:

NOTE: Eddie Paskey (Mr. Leslie) was injured during the fight scene.


By steve McKinnon (Steve) on Friday, August 17, 2007 - 8:33 pm:

That's okay, they still had about three or four of them left. :-)


By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Saturday, August 18, 2007 - 3:18 am:

FUNNY THOUGHT:

The REAL reason Miranda was upset with Spock is because he called her "Ambassador Kollos" in the Transporter Room


By Laforge the Useless on Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 5:14 am:

Next week, Larry Marvick is on, enhanced. He looks very young to be one of the designers of the Enterprise, No bloody A , B, C, D or E, or F or J..or K


By Alan Hamilton (Alan) on Sunday, March 16, 2008 - 9:33 pm:

The remastered "Is There In Truth No Beauty?" airs next weekend. The area they get "lost" in is a recycle of the galactic barrier from "Where No Man Has Gone Before", but the dialog doesn't indicate that's where they are. It's possible the remastering will go for a completely different look.


By Adam Bomb on Friday, March 21, 2008 - 9:27 am:

Todd said, a while back -


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The scene where Kollos takes over Spock's body and comments on experiencing human sensations for the first time never fails to move me. I consider this scene one of the absolute greatest and defining moments of ANY Trek series, and, incidentally, one of Nimoy's finest acting moments as well.



Ditto from me. Nimoy has said that "the third season was not especially good for Spock." But, he really nailed it here, and had a Spock moment he can be proud of.


He (Marvick) looks very young to be one of the designers of the Enterprise.
I said that years ago. BTW, British actor David Frankham was 42 when he shot this episode, and 42 is certainly old enough to have designed a starship.


By the 74s tm on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 9:15 am:

Just saw the tape- they changed things around.Its only a model!
Especially the barrier!

Happy easter !


By Alan Hamilton (Alan) on Sunday, March 23, 2008 - 9:29 pm:

As they leave the galaxy there's a flash of the galactic barrier colors, then a blue-green cloudy effect while they're "lost". They also address a nit Phil raised; they rendezvous with a Medusan ship at the end rather than going into orbit around a planet.

There are some nice opening and closing shots of the Enterprise in space.

Spock mentions that they've passed through some sort of time-space continuum, so it's possible they're not in normal space while "lost".


By BobL on Friday, April 25, 2008 - 9:45 pm:

I never noticed this until last night: In the beginning Captain's log, about the same time Kirk is commenting on the Medeusan's thoughts as being the most sublime in the galaxy, there is a shot of the main viewscreen. It appears to be a kind of double exposure, because while Chekov is sitting at his post, a superimposed ghost image of his head and hand move.


By ! on Sunday, April 27, 2008 - 7:19 pm:

if this wasn't mentioned, how come Kirk didn't need a visor at the end of act 4 but Spock still does?

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Janeway coulda used a Medusan for a navigator.Sorry, Paris!, and Tuvock coulda played him/it.


By Mr Crusher on Monday, June 09, 2008 - 8:57 am:

Why would Janeway want a Medusan for a navigator? So he could get Voyager more lost?

And who is "Tuvock"?? I don't remember him.


By John A. Lang (Johnalang) on Thursday, November 20, 2008 - 9:48 pm:

Interesting enhancement

TPTB put the Medusian ship at the end of the episode.

It's interesting because they said in the beginning that the Enterprise was taking the Medusian Ambassador back to his home planet.


By Alan Hamilton (Alan) on Sunday, June 14, 2009 - 2:03 pm:

The remastered "Is There in Truth No Beauty?" repeats next weekend, with "The Tholian Web" the following weekend.


By Adam Bomb (Abomb) on Monday, June 15, 2009 - 10:54 am:

NANJAO - For the past few weeks, CBS has emphasized third season episodes. Wonder why...
Anyone know if the re-mastered episodes will stay in syndication past September?


By Alan Hamilton (Alan) on Sunday, June 21, 2009 - 5:45 pm:

No idea. After "The Tholian Web" they're going to "The Omega Glory" -- although it's a late 2nd season episode, it feels like a 3rd season ep.

Anyway, to this episode... my guess as to why Spock had to wear the visor when Kolos beamed in was that objects being transported are transparent as they beam in, so it was possible he could have gotten a glimpse of Kolos before the box fully materialized. That also explains why Dr. Jones would appear to have to wear the visor also (though as we find out later, she was just faking it).

Of course it doesn't explain why Kirk is present when they beam out. Maybe he just turned around.

One of the single-frame images that flashes by when we "see" Kolos is the galactic barrier. Another looks like a heavily colorized closeup of the Fesarius from "The Corbomite Maneuver".


By Keith Alan Morgan (Kmorgan) on Tuesday, September 15, 2009 - 1:50 am:

Why clear ALL passageways? Why not just the ones from the transporter room to the Ambassador's quarters?

IDIC is the most revered of all Vulcan philosophies.
If Vulcans really believed in Infinite Diversity in Infinite Combinations then why don't we see more diverse Vulcans. Instead it's Logic, Logic, Logic!
Also as a philosophy it's kind of like looking at a map & saying, "We can go anywhere!" & not moving. It's more of a mathematical statement then a philosophy.

I really got sick & tired of the word "Ugly" being bandied about so much. Yes, they're making a point... about as subtle as a sledgehammer to the face. I'd have preferred if they had tried to use some other terms to use to try & describe Medusans, perhaps non-Euclidean geometry, or possibly trying to explain that the light the Medusan flash can cause bad reactions in the human brain. (Ah, to go back in time an add a line about "like that children's show at the end of the 20th century that caused epileptic seizures." ;-)

Watching all the guys go gaga over Dr. Jones I found myself wondering if perhaps she was (unconsciously?) using her telepathy to make the men attracted to her.


By Rogbodge (Nit_breaker) on Saturday, November 29, 2014 - 10:18 am:

Keith Alan Morgan on Tuesday, April 13, 1999 - 4:33 am: I haven't seen this episode in years, but if the Enterprise left the galaxy, then why didn't any crewmembers develop godlike powers like Gary Mitchell and Dr. Elizabeth Dehner did in Where No Man Has Gone Before? Better shielding, perhaps? Either that or a lack of people with a high ESP rating on board this time around (Miranda Jones dosen't count - she probably developed a natural immunity, after learning how not to read minds during her four years of study on Vulcan.)


By Adam Bomb (Abomb) on Friday, September 18, 2015 - 12:26 pm:

Here's director Ralph Senensky's thoughts on this episode, from his blog. Note the two photos at the bottom of the page - they're of actor David Frankham, watching his own performance 42 years later.


By Adam Bomb (Abomb) on Tuesday, December 20, 2016 - 12:23 pm:

During Spock's soliloquy as Kollos, you can see the joint where the pointed (left) ear was joined with Nimoy's own. And, there's a color mismatch as well. When they shot this episode, there were no such thing as digital remastering or HDTV sets. But there are now, and the makeup slip-up comes at you. Especially when the digitally remastered episode is viewed on a 1080P 40" HDTV set.


By Francois Lacombe (Franc0is) on Monday, April 16, 2018 - 6:34 pm:

Why was it Kirk who used a phaser to stun Spock stop his rampage on the bridge? There were two armed security guards on that bridge, why didn't THEY use their phasers to stop Spock instead of stupidely trying to restrain him by hand and get knocked out in the process?


By Tim McCree (Tim_m) on Friday, October 12, 2018 - 5:06 am:

Kirk is the hero. Of course, he's the one that's gonna subdue Spock.


By steve McKinnon (Steve) on Thursday, July 18, 2019 - 6:19 am:

Waaaay back in 2000 Tim Guerguen said, "I suspect a modern production of this episode would be less effective in actually showing Kollos. They'd probably go for showing "safe" bits of him via cheesy looking CGI tenticles or some such."

Now that we have a re-mastered version, we can see that the Kollos effect wasn't changed. And I like it that way, anyway. The Enterprise in the void is so much better now, though, with the ship listing in a strange reality without stars.

Did Miranda know she was standing before a Vulcan, thanks to someone telling her Spock was there, or did her sensor dress 'tell' her she was being greeted by a Vulcan?
I ask this because as soon as she beams up, she gives Spock a Vulcan salute, then he returns the gesture.

When Spock/Kollos places his visor on the helm console, it's upside down. When Sulu picks it up to warn Kirk, it's right-side up.

Spock/Kollos comments about how alone humans are-- does this mean the Medusans are a hive or collective species like the Borg? Does Kollos share existence with a multitude of other Medusans?

The Enterprise rendezvous with the Medusan ship at the end, but in the remastered version it has standard Starfleet nacelles. Wouldn't it look completely alien, if the Medusans already refined space travel to 'a fine art' as Kirk or Spock mentioned earlier?


By Francois Lacombe (Franc0is) on Thursday, July 18, 2019 - 8:17 am:

Waaaay back in 2000 Tim Guerguen said, "I suspect a modern production of this episode would be less effective in actually showing Kollos. They'd probably go for showing "safe" bits of him via cheesy looking CGI tenticles or some such."

Or they could try making him look so hideous that he actually DOES drive whoever looks at him insane.


By Keith Alan Morgan (Kmorgan) on Friday, July 19, 2019 - 12:30 am:

Viewers (after seeing Kollos): Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!!!

;-)


By Tim McCree (Tim_m) on Saturday, July 20, 2019 - 5:12 am:

Spock/Kollos comments about how alone humans are-- does this mean the Medusans are a hive or collective species like the Borg? Does Kollos share existence with a multitude of other Medusans?

Could be. We know virtually nothing about the Medusans.

And I'm guessing that "Medusan" is the Federation designation for their species. No obviously it comes from Medusa, whom you couldn't look at unless you wanted to be turned to stone.

I wonder what the actual name of their race is?


By steve McKinnon (Steve) on Tuesday, November 19, 2019 - 8:11 am:

If Miranda could enter Spock's mind with a mind meld and save him from insanity, couldn't she do the same thing to Captain Garth and the inmates of Elba II to bring them back to normal? She seems capable of eliminating mental illness or brain damage with a single mind meld.


By Tim McCree (Tim_m) on Wednesday, November 20, 2019 - 6:03 am:

Good question.


By steve McKinnon (Steve) on Tuesday, October 05, 2021 - 12:44 pm:

Marvin is tackled to the floor by an engineer in the fight in Engineering, but in the next scene he's seen from his vantage point kicking the engineer away, apparently from a standing position.

In order to allow Spock time to speak with Kollos privately, it was Kirk's idea to take Miranda's mind off of Kollos by bringing her the arboretum, but what does he do once he's there? He talks about Kollos and the mission!

That was one tough red shirt in the fight with Spock on the bridge. He gets hit to the right and lands on the floor, gets up and gets hit to the left side, and is still conscious when the fight is over to help bring the stunned Spock to sickbay! Usually these guys can only take one punch! Must've been training for Starfleet's MMA division!

There's always been talk that Kirk observes Kollos being transported away, just in case he 'sees' Kollos in the transporter, but how? People and objects are replaced by the transporter sparkle effect and turned into billions of tiny energy spots-- you never see their internal structure or the inside of containers at any time, so what's the problem?


By Tim McCree (Tim_m) on Wednesday, October 06, 2021 - 5:23 am:

Where did these telepathic humans come from? How come it seems more common 300 years from now?

Evolution does not work that fast, and it can't be genetic engineering, that's been a no-no since the Eugenic Wars.

Did the Vorlons pass through the Trek universe?*


*the Vorlons were the cause of the emergence of telepathy in humans on Babylon Five.


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