Dr. McCoy needs to work on his pronounciation of European names. Everyone else refers to crewman Jaeger the correct way, by making the y-sound in place of the j which begins his surname. But after the landing party beams down, McCoy says "Where are your storms, Jaeger?" incorrectly pronouncing the name as it is written with the consonant j.
At some time in his travels, Trelane must have been to M-113, the planet in "The Man Trap." At least he has a preserved specimen of a salt creature in one of his alcoves! It looks like Professor Crater's creature wasn't "the last of it's kind" after all! Unfortunately, Trelane goes trigger-happy at one point in the episode and phasers the rare specimen into non-existence.
When Kirk and company receive the transporter signal from Spock and prepare to beam up, the bewildered Trelane doesn't seem to know what is going on or what the word "transporter" means. Yet earlier in the episode when Kirk tried to compare Trelane's matter-energy conversion abilities with the transporter, Trelane said "oh, that's much too crude an example" indicating that he had an in-depth knowledge of the transporter and its function!
Not everyone else, Todd M Pence. When DeSalle spots Trelane`s manor he says "McCoy! Jaeger! I`ve found something!" The J in Jaeger is pronounced like a J.
This is the only episode, to my knowledge, where red alert klaxons cannot be heard on the bridge.
Terminology had not been settled on yet at the time of this episode. Kirk calls the Enterprise a "United Star Ship" instead of a United Space Ship (Even Pike, beforehand, caled it that) and even worse at one point Uhura refers to "Spacefleet Command"!
Is Trelane a Q? This speculation is something which has been expanded on in several books, but I don't think those are canon.
Speculation anyone?
He certainly has the attitude, and the power, but that's the only evidence. I suppose he could be the member of an equally powerful but totally unrelated race, the P. Many races have learned to fear both entities, and this fear is the source of the saying, "Mind your P's and Q's."
Thank you! I'm here all week!
Somebody spank this guy! Geeeeez!
And remember, folks, the 7:30 show is completely different form the 9:30 show!
Adults only--it gets a little blue (or green, for you Vulcans).
The novel "Q-squared" calls Trelane a Q, but the idea of Trelane having parents and being a Q contradicts "The Q and the Grey".
I read Q-squared, and loved the book, more clever, in fact than most of the pulp that passes for Star Trek novels.
The problem with the novel though, is that its a lot like the episode (the title escapes me) where Picard dies, and Q gives him a chance to live life with a real heart. The book and the movie both take events that have one meaning and twist it on its side... a wonderful way to tell a story, but they generally require fudging to make everything "come out right" in the end.
I guess my question is really --- did the creators of NextGen use Trelane as the model for their omnipotent race in the TNG pilot?
I don't think they did in the pilot because Q was nothing like Trelane in the pilot but maybe when they made him more mischievous(sp) TPTB did use Trelane as a model.
Perhaps in the future Q will name his son- Trelane! I mean, time travel is nothing to the Q. Why couldn't this episode have occured after "The Q and the Grey?"
In Q-Squared Q is Trelane's "god-parent" ... forgive the pun.... before the begginning of time.
Many sources like to credit James Doohan as having provided the voice of Trelane's father in this episode. Nimoy himself did this last night. Unfortunately, they're all wrong. The voice of Trelane's father was provided by actor Bart LaRue, who later gave his voice to the Guardian of Forever, as well as the announcer of Empire TV in "Bread and Circuses".
I had only heard about "Q-Squared" and new that it was about a renegade Q named Trelane. Thanks for explaining, Greg W. But "The Q and the Grey" still contradicts "True Q" where Amanda Grayson - as a Q - has parents.
Did it not occur to anyone that True Q is a ridiculous plot. Why do Q bother to breed? How do Q breed? Wait, don't answer that.
Q don't need to breed, or shouldn't, I'd think. They're omnipotent and can create other Q, or else all the Q that exist are one.
So what's the deal with this human girl, growing up, turning into a Q. Kinda flies in the face of omnipotence huh?
Normal Q's are born omnipotent. Amanda as born as a human girl and slowly grew into her powers, and is an exception.
Amanda's parents were Q who had abandoned their powers to live as humans.
So, they have no powers, and they are able to act and breed as humans, but really, they were Q the whole time, and encoded in their human/Q DNA is a program which reveals the existence of Q power at puberty. Obviously, this applies to their apparently human offspring, but this is not obvious to the continuum, who doesn't intercede in an incredibly volatile situation until their brethren is in a potentially deadly and explosive situation.
Geez, that's such a sensible explanation, I can't remember what I was nitpicking about.
I believe that in the novel, Q supposedly fathered Trelane during a secret affair with Trelane's mother. If all Q are omnipotent, how the heck could they have an affair without the "husband" catching on?
In addition, Trelane's race appears to require an outside power source. Q does not. Of course, Telane is a child, but even so....
Greg W.--you're talking about an entity that can appear anywhere in space and time, can manipulate matter and energy at will, can actually bring back a person from the dead, and you're worried about a little genetic manipulation?
Q made himself human for one episode, remember?
Making stuff out of thin air is fine. I don't have a problem with that, but the premise of now you Q it now you don't is just nonsense.
BTW the contnium made Q into a mortal, he just chose to be human, so that Picard might help him out.
Q Squared is 'muddy', trying to explain events in a way other than what is obvious, and is entertaining in doing so, but that makes me wonder how it could possibly be considered canon.
I direct everyone's attention to the first episode of Voyager in which Q appeared. The one who wanted to die said they're not omnipotent, althought they'd like you to believe they were.
This is a great episode. One of my favorites. I'm also a big Q fan. I'd love to see Q in a Star Trek movie. Now THAT could be fun. Q, with a big budget, *dreaming* I just bought all the Q scripts, from all 3 series, in one volume for only $18. 11 scripts, including two, two parters. An excellent deal. I'd never seen it before so it must be fairly new. It's by Pocket books, but it's HUGE! Nobody has pockets this big.
I don't know about any of you, but I'm gonna hang around for Mikes late show.
Hey, I know the P's and Q's was a joke, but the real origin of the phrase is from old english pubs. beer was served in pints and quarts, when the bar got rowdy, the bartender would yell "Mind your P's(pints) and Q's (quarts). In the the 24th century I'd imagine it would be "mind your B's(bloodwine) and r's(romulan ale) :=) Q'plah!!!!
An Earth type desert is described and then Kirk says that that kind of desert is 900 light years away. So all the planets between Earth and this 'star desert' don't have deserts?
Uhura and Sulu both have cups setting on their consoles, but no sign of cup holders. Also given the angle of these consoles, one slight 'space bump' and the contents would be all over the place. Hope those consoles are waterproof.
If this is a 'star desert' then what is lighting up the planet Gothos? A giant flashlight?
That 'full life support equipment' seemed pretty skimpy given some of the planet's conditions that were described. The thing doesn't even have goggles for eye protection. (Or is this actually the precursor to those life-support belts that they used in the Animated Series?)
In the Classic Guide, Phil said that a Plot Oversight is Spock ordering all life forms beamed up, but not posting anyone from Security in the Transporter room. However, the camera doesn't show all of the Transporter room (in the syndicated version anyway), so maybe Security is standing off camera?
If Trelane's knowledge of Earth just came from light as Kirk and Spock surmise, then how would Trelane know the names of Napoleon or Hamilton or even speak in old fashioned English? Clearly his knowledge of Earth cannot come from light alone. An additional nit would seem to be that if he used light alone then he could only see events that happened outside during the day and what about events when the Earth went behind the sun?
Trelane's food & drink have no taste. The fire looks right, but produces no heat. Isn't it just lucky that the transparent gases that Trelane used to produce an Earth-like atmosphere were exactly right?
Kirk's fighting technique really makes one wonder how he's managed to stay alive for so long. Kirk and Trelane are fighting, with a tree between them, Kirk uses a stick to block Trelane's sword, then Kirk climbs into the tree, making himself a much bigger and easier to hit target. A simple thrust on Trelane's part and Kirk is a shish-kabob.
When mentioning childhood pranks, Kirk mentions 'dipping girls curls into inkwells and tying cans...' Inkwells? Cans? In the 23rd century? What kind of backward upbringing did Kirk have? (I guess that Governor Kodos was a real traditionalist?)
Just because Trelane's personality is different from Q's doesn't mean he couldn't have been the inspiration for Q. I believe Roddenberry needed to pad the 90 minute script so they could have a 2 hour movie (which could be turned into a two part story) and added Q at the last minute.
I personally consider Trelane to be from a different race than the Q.
Watch your p's and q's is also said to come from early print shops when they had to manually set type. All the letters looked backwards, so printers had to watch their p's and q's or they would end up with misprints like qub and puarry. I wonder if they ever said mind your d's and b's?
Here's a good one - nitpicking a nitpicker.
The Earth does not go behind the sun on a daily basis. Every year, the Earth goes around the sun. Every day, the Earth turns once. Keith - watch your p's and q's. . .;-)
AMH97: Maybe the sentance wasn't as clear as it could have been, but I did not say the Earth went behind the sun daily. I realize now that I should have broken it up into 2 sentences, like this:
An additional nit would seem to be that if he used light alone then he could only see events that happened outside during the day. Also if Trelane is on Gothos veiwing events then how would he see events when the Earth went behind the sun once a year?
Happy now?
I suspect that Kirk&Co. were not referring to light specifically, but using it as a general term referring to the relativistic speed of light limitation.
All right, settle down, we're all here to have a little fun. Sorry if I offended.
DeSalle is quite a hothead.
Early on the crew call Trelane "maniac" and "madman" when they only know him to be powerful and obnoxious. Kirk doesn't even try to be diplomatic to escape.
The sound effects following the mirror's destruction are wacky.
About the inkwells-- in art class, we studied Calligraphy and we used inkwells and nice, sort-of old-fashoned pens. We also used those inkwells when painting something very black. Maybe Kirk was in Art.
Here's a question to everyone that's seen the famous bloopers of this episode;
For YEARS I've been trying to figure out just what Deforest Kelley is saying to George Takei. I've played my tape again and again, raised the volume, and still don't have a clue as to what he's saying. It has to be something off colour, since the sound man actually bleeps a four-letter word (I'm assuming) that Kelley utters.
Anybody know what is said????
GREAT MOMENT: When Trelane's parents materialize, they refer to Kirk & his crew as "pets".
When in the alcove, I'm surprised Kirk did not say "Hey, wait a minute...that's a salt vampire from M-113!" I mean after all, the thing nearly killed him.
I love the outfit that Yeoman Theresa Ross wears during the dance sequence.
I love Kirk's lines on the Bridge afterwards... "Put away the glass slippers..." etc. then Kirk smirks right after he says it.
I love the "Kirk smirk"
At the beginning, Kirk & McCoy refer to the area of space as a "desert", Spock replies by saying that he fails to see the romantic nostalgia for the word "desert"... HOWEVER... Spock uses the word "desert" in his log after Kirk & Sulu vanish.
So much for failing to see the romantic nostalgia.
When beaming down the landing party, Spock uses the word "activate" instead of "energize"
The life-support mask resembles the mask that Van Gelder was using when hiding in the box in "Dagger of the Mind"...it also resembles the respirator unit used on Tormolen in "The Naked Time"
McCoy sees the salt vampire and says nothing.... that don't make sense....one of those things impersonated Nancy Crater...his old flame!
I guess it really was over between them!
Good grief! More nits!
*Desalle moves on his own after Trelane freezes him and takes away his phasor.
*There are no "boing" noises when Trelane appears on the Bridge, when he forces the crew off the Bridge or when he signals for the noose.
*Yeoman Ross doesn't put up much of a fight when
Trelane grabs her and forces her to dance with him...in fact, she doesn't fight at all.
*Trelane's gun doesn't click when he cocks the gun to fire. Kirk's gun does.
*Why is the ending of this episode simular to "Charlie X"? Couldn't the writers think of a different ending?
*How come Scotty is no longer seen after the crew disappears from the Bridge? Only his voice is heard.
One more....
when the landing party beams down the first time, you see some kind of trap door on the transporter room floor.
It may not be a nit, but I thought I'd note it.
It just looks weird.
In one of the early Star Trek books, an interview with William Campbell indicated that they had played with two endings--a tough, "mean" Trelane, and the rather pathetic child Trelane. They decided to go with the pathos.
Could you tell me where this expletive takes place?
MISSED OPPORTUNITY
Ross kisses Captain Kirk after they return to this ship.
It looks like she really did and the editors cut it out....I say that because Kirk wipes his cheek for no particular reason.
I was wondering why he did that. But Will Spencer still hasn`t told me where the time McCoy swears at Sulu is. He asked us what it was, but I can`t check it out without more info.
Actually, my post asks anyone what Deforest Kelley says to George Takei (and not McCoy to Sulu) in the blooper reel. The editor bleeped him, so he must have said the 'F' word or the 'S' word, but all I can make out is; "Blahblahblah **bleep**". Anybody know what he's saying that necesitated a bleep?
I don`t have that reel. Since you said "Kelley said to Sulu" I got the indication that DeForest wasn`t speaking as McCoy although Sulu was still in character. Right.
I never said 'Kelley said to Sulu.' Both times I said 'Kelley said to Takei'. (November 17, 99 and May 29, 2000). That was the whole point; Deforest is saying something to his fellow actor, and not fumbling a line from the script.
There is a rather large difference between "omnipotent" and "omniscient."(Im not sure how to spell this) "Omnipotent" means you can DO anything. "Omniscient" means you KNOW everything. Just because Trelane's father can do anything doesn't mean he can know everything. Thats always been one of my favorite parts about the Q.
Actually, I've never been convinced that the Q are omnipotent or omniscient. They just like to say they are.
They're obviously not omnipotent, at least. Just look at the TNG episode in which Q is punished by being forced to take the form of a human. How could that happen to a being who can do anything? How can there even logically be more than one omnipotent being?
Also, Q has certainly developed as a character over the years. I have a hard time saying he hasn't learned a thing or two. (An even harder time saying he knows everything there is to know.)
Oops. Wasn't paying enough attention to which board this is. Though the same thing applies to Trelane. Did he claim omnipotence or omniscience? I don't remember.
In Trelane's courtroom, you can see a dark smudge on the wall...it looks like some kind of "Coat of Arms" was hanging there.....you can see the outline of it.
End credits......"Scpipt supervisor...."...again!
Was Trelane modeled on Liberace? The first time we see Trelane, he is playing the harpsichord (subbing for Lee's piano.)
I read somewhere Shatner had a real hissy fit about the kind of judge's wig Trelane should be been wearing in the "court room" scene.
Apparently, they tried a French judge's wig before using a British judge's wig (or vice-versa..I can't remember which) ANYWAY, Shatner reportedly said, "Who the H*** is going to notice?"
Shatner reportedly apologized saying, "He was in a hurry to finish the filming and get home."
Anyone else read this?
Because if anyone thinks they’re the center of the universe, it’s New Yorkers!
Great Moment: Trelane, discovered and admonished by his parents, reverting to a child’s manner (with a New York accent, no less!).
Must be the new math.
The planet Gothos is quadrant 904. Quadrant 904? How the hell can you have 904 "quadrants"? Can’t you only have four? Or are they numbered starting with 900, much as episodes of NextGen are numbered by the creators with numbers starting with 100, to prevent confusion with the original series episodes, and Deep Space Nine with 400 to prevent confusion with {NextGen} episodes?
Or maybe everyone in the landing party is from New Jersey.
Yeager says in Act 1 that the planet has an extremely hot, toxic atmosphere, yet the away team beams down with masks that cover only their noses and mouths. Apparently, the landing party’s eyes and skin are immune to toxic atmospheres.
He’s translating it from English into Southern.
When the landing party beams down, Bones says to Yeager, "Where are your storms, Jaeger?", pronouncing his name with a "J" sound.
It goes so well with the Mugato in the foyer and the Horta in the dining room, don’t you think?
As McCoy and the landing party approach the castle’s entrance, you can see the statue is of the M-113 Salt Vampire from The Man Trap.
Hell, forget Napoleon, I would’ve observed Pamela Anderson!
Even if Trelane acquired his knowledge of architecture and clothing from observing Earth through a powerful enough telescope, how did he learn the languages that he demonstrates fluency of in this episode? How does he know Napoleon’s name?
Much like the plausibility of a Voyager episode…
One of the walls of steel bars Trelane conjures up on either side of his castle’s entrance to block Kirk’s escape at the end of the episode exhibit a curious trait. Either that, or Trelane merely readjusts them. Look closely as the first one on the right appears. It moves a few inches to the right. This would not be so unusual within the context of the story: Trelane must simply like to adjust it to his liking. (But the real reason it moves is because the creators compressed the film too much: look closely at the gargoyle on the right as the bars appear: When the bars move right, the gargoyle stretches!)
He took up the hobby because the puppets are less wooden than his captain…
Is Scotty dabbling in ventriloquism on the side? It seems he’s taken to "throwing his voice" in this episode. Trelane’s father sure does sound a lot like him. (Actually, James Doohan supplied his voice.)
The planet is in quadrent for of sector 90. Nit explained away thank you for playing have a nice day.
The planet is in quadrent four of sector 90. Nit explained away thank you for playing have a nice day. Sorry about the previous mispelling big fingers and small laptop.
Maybe Trelane's telescope is SO good that he can read lips?
>Because if anyone thinks they’re the center of the universe, it’s New Yorkers! <
Ummm... I'm from New York, and I definitely am NOT the center of the universe! I tend to be offended at stereotypes like that too!
As a fellow New Yorker (Bethpage, L.I.)(What part you from Margie?) I agree with Margie to an extent. However, you have to find some amusement in these stereotypes. I currently live in Georgia and when someone finds out that I'm from New York (I have a bit of a residual accent) they seem to expect me to suddenly become mean and nasty and . When I visit my family up in New York and let slip a "y'all" people seem to think that I will suddenly become a yokel. I think I have to find it somewhat funny.... otherwise I might go insane and try to be both stereotypes at once!
I'm from Queens, so we're almost neighbors (or, we were!)! I once spent the summer in Tennessee, and came home talking, as my sister so delicately put it, like a "hick." Luckily, my parents worked hard to ensure that my sister and I did not grow up with the "New Yawk" accent, so I can sometimes get away with people not knowing where I'm from. How long have you been in Georgia?
About ten years. We moved down here when I was 11, so most of my formative years were spent just outside Atlanta, Georgia, but with trips back to the island at least twice a year. I'm ALWAYS meeting people from there who moved down south, do you have the same experience. It can be fun, too, when my co-workers who don't know I'm one of those " Yankees" bad-mouth customers because they are from New York
Lolar Windrunner: The planet is in quadrent four of sector 90.
Luigi Novi: I would queston why the word "Quadrant" would be reused for two different types of divisions. In the U.S. Constitution, parts are divided by Article, then Section, then Paragraph. In literature, outlines of books are divided first by Roman Numeral, then letter, and then Arabic numeral. Perhaps it should be Quadrant, Sector, Division, or Quadrant, Sector, Area. Not Quadrant, Sector, Quadrant.
Merat: Maybe Trelane's telescope is SO good that he can read lips?
Luigi Novi: How can you read lips if you're looking down at someone?
Luigi Novi: Because if anyone thinks they’re the center of the universe, it’s New Yorkers!
margie: Ummm... I'm from New York, and I definitely am NOT the center of the universe! I tend to be offended at stereotypes like that too!
Luigi Novi: Relax, margie, I was only making a joke. I'm from the N.Y. area myself, and I went to art school in N.Y. and I loved it. I can joke about it for the same reason blacks can use the n-word with other, but whites can't. I LOVE NEW YORK!
Merat: I agree with Margie to an extent. However, you have to find some amusement in these stereotypes.
Luigi Novi: Thank you, Merat. Comedian Richard Jeni once did a routine focusing on regional stereotypes in his Platypus Man show (hilarious, by the way), and just to show everyone he wasn't above accepting jabs at his own hometown, did New York, in addition to the others.
Simplest explanation: They changed the definition of Quadrant between TOS and TNG, same as they rescaled warp factors.
Note, I am not saying that the two are related.
When Kirk orders DeSalle to stun Trelane, DeSalle sneaks up behind Trelane as he is in front of the mirror...DeSalle raises his phaser...then they cut away from the reflection and they show DeSalle raising his phaser again.
::If this is a 'star desert' then what is lighting up the planet Gothos? A giant flashlight?::
Well, it is Trelane's planet. I assume he could have rigged it to be luminecent as well as transparent. ;)
::Many sources like to credit James Doohan as having provided the voice of Trelane's father in this episode. Nimoy himself did this last night. Unfortunately, they're all wrong. The voice of Trelane's father was provided by actor Bart LaRue, who later gave his voice to the Guardian of Forever, as well as the announcer of Empire TV in "Bread and Circuses".::
Where is your source for this? I don't doubt you but I'm really curious to know since the DVD states that Doohan is the voice. If anyone would know, I think it would be Paramount.
::Also if Trelane is on Gothos veiwing events then how would he see events when the Earth went behind the sun once a year?::
Aha! Someone is suffering from two-dimensional thinking!! Gothos is probably not on the same plane as the Earth and the Sun.
::*Desalle moves on his own after Trelane freezes him and takes away his phasor.::
I got the impression that Trelane unfroze him once his weapon was gone.
::*There are no "boing" noises when Trelane appears on the Bridge, when he forces the crew off the Bridge or when he signals for the noose.::
Yeah, well Q ditched his "flash" after the first few episodes so it stands to reason that Trelane wouldn't "have" to use his "boing". He probably just used it for dramatic effect.
::*Yeoman Ross doesn't put up much of a fight when
Trelane grabs her and forces her to dance with him...in fact, she doesn't fight at all.::
Perhaps Trelane had control over her body just as he did with Uhura and her harpsichord playing.
::*How come Scotty is no longer seen after the crew disappears from the Bridge? Only his voice is heard.::
He's probably busy in engineering. You know; the place where the chief *engineer* hangs out.
::Luigi Novi: How can you read lips if you're looking down at someone?::
Perhaps Napoleon looked to the sky a lot whenever he spoke. Or maybe the telescope intersected the earth at an oblique angle, giving Trelane a view of lips.
Or maybe Napolean just had really big lips.
To return (briefly!) to the "Ps and Qs" debate: In Spock Vs Q The Sequel (Alien Voices audio tape), they make contact with "Petunia"... Q gets really excited at the idea of there being someting 'before' Q... presumably something bigger. He declares: "We're not alone!"
Not that this has anything at all to do with Trelane......
If this is a "star desert", then what are all those round shiny things they're passing when they leave Gothos?
Great Moment: Trelane, discovered and admonished by his parents, reverting to a child’s manner
I have to agree with Luigi, here. The transition from bombastic, self-assured superbeing to the whining little boy was handled beautifully by Campbell.
When Trelane comes aboard the Enterprize and "boings" everyone (everyone currently on the bridge !) back to Gothos who the hell takes over the stations on the bridge-especially if the rest of the ship doesn't know that bridge crew is gone !!! When would the rest of the crew realize ? when their burning up in the atmosphere like "The Naked Time" ?¿?¿
Trelane REALLY is dumb about Earth's history. He claims to be a former general but now prefers to be called "Squire". A Squire is a knight's attendant...a servant, mind you. Why would he want to take a lower rank?
he actually said esquire. A rank that is reserved for a landholder just generally below a duke or count. This also was the rank a retired general or knight would take.
"Squire" used to be a knight's attendant, but more recently it is a country gentleman, especially the chief landed proprietor in the district. Little Oxford Dictionary
Shouldn't the episode have been called 'The Esquire Of Gothos' if he'd said 'esquire'?
Mayhaps I misheard, but you are correct after perusing the dictionary. Each share similar definitions. Esquire: A member of the english gentry ranking just below a knight. (websters dictionary) Squire: (3) A member of the british gentry ranking below a knight and above a gentleman. The proper usage of the word is "Greetings I am Lolar Windrunner, Esquire" Both came about around the 13th century.
A rabid Jane Austen fan weighing in on the debate:
Trelane is using the word in the sense of Lolar's #3 definition above, which in common usage may carry a slightly different meaning from the strictly literal one you're thinking of, John A. What he's actually saying here is: 'I am the master of Gothos, of all I survey, able to extend every hospitality!'
OK, agreed that this would sound better coming from a duke (or, given Trelane's fascination with la vielle regime de France, a Duc)...but as an ep title, it conveys exactly the sense of what Trelane represents himself to the Enterprise crew as.
Trelane is not a Q (at least not according to me) Q has much more style.
Well, he is just a kid, Ryan.
I always wondered if Squire Trelane was a pun to Squire Trelawney from Treasure Island. J
The similarity is too close to ignore. I wouldn't be surprised if that was the origin. The Trek writers used many names and words from other sources. I'd always thought the name 'Triskelion' was a Trek creation, but it was an actual word to begin with.
LESLIE ALERT
When Kirk and the others arrive on the bridge after Spock rescues them, LESLIE is in the captain's chair. And he doesn't look exactly eager to give it up.
As Kirk is about to have his duel with Trelane, there is a voice-over of the Captain's Log. He uses the phrase "delayed report." This would help explain how the log mentions things not known at the time, such as in "The Enemy Within" and "The Man Trap." On the other hand, I don't think he used that phrase in those episodes...so I dunno.
There is still a problem with "delayed" report. Why would he make a delayed entry without any mention of how they escaped?
We never hear the entire log in the episodes, just certain parts of it.
Another thing -- When Uhura asks if she should give a report to "Space Fleet Command," Kirk says, "They may trace our beam." They? All he knows about at this point is Trelane.
Kirk also says he can make a guess about Trelane's range: the point where the Enterprise first entered the solar system. But there was no solar system. The planet was all by itself in the star desert.
John A. Lang, in an earlier post, asked about the wig story. Willam Campbell talked about this in one of those tidbits on the Sci-Fi Channel. He said it was the wrong wig, Shatner said who cares, Campbell said I care. Anyway, they called Gene Coon and he agreed with Campbell. He didn't mention anything about Shatner throwing a fit, though. Campbell said that, at first, he was expecting an English barrister's wig, that looked like a napkin folded up. He still didn't get that, obviously.
Kirk says, "They may trace our beam." They? All he knows about at this point is Trelane.
Well, yeah, but he's also seeing this vast amount of energy being expended, and he's got no solid info as yet as to it's true origin or purpose. I'd say he's just being prudent.
>Kirk says, "They may trace our beam." They? All he knows about at this point is Trelane.
However, Trelane did say "myself, and others" developed the matter/energy transformation.
CG enhancing: Following up on an idea in the Space: 1999 threads, if Star Trek the Classic Series could be enhanced with CG, these are ideas I have for this episode.
When McCoy, DeSalle and Jaeger beam down to Gothos, with "life support" into a "toxic, hot atmosphere" with "continuous volcanic action", they do not seem to be well protected. Can some sort of life support equipment be computer animated onto them, replacing their duty uniforms with some sort of "volcano-land" protective gear? (It could follow them in the same way that movies are colourized.) They would wear this until after Trelane makes it obvious to them they can't yet beam up. While in Trelane's home, they remove the gear and it automatically wraps itself up into small bundles which we see sitting on Trelane's dining room table. Trelane presumably disposes of them by the time he seizes the entire bridge crew.
After Kirk shoots out Trelane's machine, all the active items in the room like the fire in the hearth and the torches on the wall go bonkers. However, the candles adjacent to the mirror continue to burn steadily. Perhaps you can make them start flickering weird colours?! You could make the torch on the wall re-light with plaid flames! (Yes! Plaid! It would fit the "boink" sound effects!) Acting in "unnatural" ways matches with meat tasting worse than straw.
When Gothos is maneuvering to get in the Enterprise's way, it is transparent, with stars shining through it. When the Enterprise has done a full turn and Gothos is still in front of them, the stars in the background never did a dizzying blur... they stayed the same. The stars should have shifted out of view and new ones shifted in, all whipping around behind Gothos. In other words, the stars should have been whipping around behind Gothos like the planet was a TIE fighter in "Star Wars". Since they are in a "star desert", it might be appropriate to have a "milky streak" diagonally across the screen and a small number of stars on either side of that streak. The streak slips up, twists and sometimes disappears as Sulu tries to avoid Gothos' maneuvers.
I realize this is about the 5th time this has been said, but did anyone notice that the salt creature from "The Man Trap" is in this episode? Just thought i should point it out again in case anyone missed it before! I love it when things are pointed out over and over and over and over on these boards!
Im surprised no on on the "Guest Star Alert" team pointed out that Guest star William Campbell also played Koloth on "The Trouble with Tribbles" (TOS) and "Blood Oath"(DS9).
Also, William Campbell is not to be confused with Billy Campbell, who starred in Enough and Once And Again. He is sometimes credited as Bill Campbell, William Campbell and William O. Campbell.
But wouldn't it be nice to have William Campbell on "Once and Again?"
Actually it would be interesting to see Bruce Campbell in those roles.
Actually, it would have been a good idea for William Campbell to play Billy Campbell's dad. One problem, though - Rick's (Billy Campbell's character) father was dead. Maybe in flashbacks...
LESLIE ALERT
When Kirk and the others arrive on the bridge after Spock rescues them, LESLIE is in the captain's chair. And he doesn't look exactly eager to give it up.
Not only that, but Leslie was in the transporter room beaming them back up! Then they all rush to the bridge, and he's already there!
I think. Feel free to correct me, but I was reasonably sure it was him...
If it was, he's gotta be the fastest man in the universe!
He must have beamed himself up there...
Naw, he's from the planet Krypton & wears a red "S" under his shirt
CONFIRMATION NOTICE:
Just re-watched the episode again and I just want to confirm Kinggodzillak's posting on Friday, April 22, 2005 - 04:29 pm....
Mr. Leslie is INDEED one of the Transporter Technicians when the crew beams up and he is seen again in the Command Chair when Kirk & the others arrive on the Bridge.
(That's one fast dude!)
GOOD EYES, Kinggodzillak!
for John A Lang think they misspelled Leslie s name in the end credits, think it was Lesley or something like that!
and yes I saw Super Leslie doing his thing ages ago, but we didnt have an internet to post this!
He's even faster in Assignment Earth jumping from engineering to a corridor to the bridge, during Kirk's addressing the ship.
Indeed! And he had a changed his shirt too...from Red to Yellow! All in 0.2 seconds! WHEW! No wonder Kirk wants this guy around!