Yes. I mean looking at my own life there are
many things that are necessary to human existant that wouldn't be done if logic is the only motive.
I don't know how a completely logical society not allowing any emotion can function. For example, should I murder someone so I can take their money? No, obviously, but is that no based on logic or morality? Isn't all morality emotional at its base? A lion that kills an animal to eat is not being moral or immoral, it's simply eating. As Janeway told Tuvok in a first season Voyager episode, "The problem with logic is
that you can use logic to justify anything." Stalin, Hitler, the Menendez brothers, Al Capone and many other criminals/killers all had logical reasons to do what they did/are doing.
I don't think so. I think it can be logically determined that the greater good for the greatest number of people is the most logically desirable status quo. Therefore a code of "moral" behaviour is necessary to attain this goal. It's the logic of living within a social contract in the first place.
Mister Spock has been named no. 6 in "The Best Characters Created For Television" in TVGuide -- Go Spock!
What I don't understand is how Louie of "Taxi" could be number one.
I never saw that issue; can you tell us who the top ten characters are?
In Jack Vance's novel "Star King" (the first of his galaxy-spabbing Monte Cristo-eqsue Demon Princes series), the name "Spock" is used as an alias by one of the villians, Hildemar Dasce. The novel was written in 1964, before Star Trek came on the scene.
Members of the Enterprise crew that Spock has neck-pinched:
The evil Kirk "The Enemy Within"
Sulu "The Naked Time"
McCoy "The City on the Edge of Forever"
Mr. Leslie "Operation: Annihilate"
Scott "Catspaw"
Kirk "The Enterprise Incident" (Vulcan death grip, which is kinda similar)
Guard "And the Children Shall Lead"
Chekov "The Tholian Web"
Lt. Johnson "Day of the Dove"
Lt. Galloway "Turnabout Intruder" (another David L. Ross character)
Guard "Turnabout Intruder"
Airlock Tech. "Star Trek: The Motion Picture"
McCoy again "Wrath of Khan"
I was going to post in the the cemetary in response to Influx, but I think it fits this thread better...
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...Actually, aince his body was basically regenerated to where he's pretty much starting over, Sarek and Amanda aren't technically Spock's parents.
They still are because he's still a 50/50 combination of their DNA, so biologically he still is their son & since his catra was returned to him he still has the memories of being rasised by them.
Spock Rap!!!!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBN31jnaLMo
By the Neural Paralyzers. A Dr. Demento classic.
Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to go listen to "Fish Heads" and "Shaving Cream".
Scott, what about "Dead Dog Rover" and "Dead Puppies (Aren't Much Fun)"?
My first memories of seeing Spock was him standing on the Transporter. Don't know what episode it was though.
[Spock instead of EITHER Trump or Biden in 2020]
Spock is a natural born citizen as his mother was born in the United States. This means that Spock was a citizen at birth. He presumably resided either in San Francisco at Starfleet Academy or on the Enterprise.for a total of 14 years. At least by the time of Star Trek V, he would be eligible.
He's also apparently a descendant of Dr. Benjamin Spock who was briefly considered as a Vice Presidential candidate on a third party ticket in 1968.
He's also apparently a descendant of Dr. Benjamin Spock
Documentation please.
something i read in an old fanzine. They may be confusing "the character was named after the real life 1960s celebrity" with "the character in-universe IS a descendant of the celebrity".
I read in a book long ago (it may have been "The Making of Star Trek") that Roddenberry had not heard of Dr. Benjamin Spock when he named the character.
And, I vaguely remember Dr. Spock being asked to make a third party run for VP in 1968. (My late, great mom thought that Dr. Spock was full of it. But, that's a topic for elsewhere.)
Unfortunately, Spock will not be 35 years of age until the mid 2200s. Therefore he is ineligible.
Yeah, not being born for a couple of centuries might be a wee problem.
There is a bit of talk on Gallifrey Base about fictional characters you want to win in November. Gomez Addams is also popular.
Benjamin Spock was the People’s Party presidential nominee in 1972 and then its VP nominee in 1976.
For those who have confused the two Spocks, it is not inconceivable that the fictional Spock could have earned a doctorate due to his brilliant mind but nevertheless I would not call him Dr Spock.
One of the movies(?) implied one of Spock's ancestors was Sherlock Holmes.
One of the novels indicated that Aaron Stempel (of Here Come The Brides) was an ancestpr.
A fan cartoon had Spock meet Namor, the Sub-Mariner, and Spock remarked that his father had traveled widely in his youth.
quote:KAM: One of the movies(?) implied one of Spock's ancestors was Sherlock Holmes.
One of the movies(?) implied one of Spock's ancestors was Sherlock Holmes.
He more probably was referring to Sir Arthur Conan Doyle, who was after all the true author of the "whatever remains must be true" line.
has there been a good fan written story where Spock meets Len Nimoy?
For those who have confused the two Spocks, it is not inconceivable that the fictional Spock could have earned a doctorate due to his brilliant mind but nevertheless I would not call him Dr Spock.
Some fans have referred to him as such.
Mind you, I'm not one of them.
Jack Vance's science fiction novel THE STAR KING, written in 1963, features a character called "Mr. Spock".
Probably a coincidence.
quote:Natalie Granada Television: has there been good fan written story where Spock meets Len Nimoy?
I remember a story in which Kirk, Spock, and McCoy somehow switched places with William Shatner, Leonard Nimoy, and DeForest Kelley for... reasons (been decades since I read it, so I've forgotten the plot of said story).
Two fanfics.
Visit To A Weird Planet - Kirk, Spock, & McCoy end up on the Paramount lot.
Visit To A Weird Planet Revisited - Shatner, Nimoy, & Kelly end up on the Enterprise. (One of the first fanfics I read and still one of the best.)
Thanks, Keith.
I find it funny that Leonard Nimoy's birthday is the day after Patrick Troughton's.
Because of all the Doctors he was the Anti-Spock. Whereas to Spock logic was the be-all and end-all of existence, to quote the second Doctor "Logic merely enables one to be wrong with authority!" No episode proved this more than the Galileo Seven. While Spock did make the right moves, he should have realised that like pacifism logic only works if everyone is following the same path. He thought that savages would behave logically?
Spock should not have expected the locals to behave logically. A Vulcan fresh from his planet might have, but Spock had been serving with humans for years, he should have been familiar with emotional and irrational behavior.
McCoy pretty much calls him out over this.
I've seen photos of this skit-- here's the video off of youtube;
https://youtu.be/yaKpbaWR2pI
Thanks for the link.
How many Not We call Spock "Doctor Spock" cause of the real life person?
I'm pretty sure my Mom called him that when I was a kid.
I've heard him called "Doctor Spock" back in the day myself.
So 'The Autobiography of Mr. Spock' is out there now, and I thought I was lucky enough to get to find it at my local library.
Yeah, as lucky as I would have been to get a root canal!
'The Autobiography of James T. Kirk' was sooo much better that it's embarrassing that it belongs in the same series, which also includes biographies of Picard and Janeway. Ironically, I'm willing to give those a try, even though this one is extremely disappointing.
First the good parts;
The few pictures that are in the middle of the book are photo-shopped or computer generated, but very good. A very young Amanda and young Sarek on the day of their wedding, standing in the place that Kirk fought Spock in 'Amok Time' is great, real-life photos of Leonard Nimoy as a toddler and pre-teen, but with Spock's ears, are also very good; an image with Kirk standing beside Pike and Spock is very good and looks real.
Sybok's mental state was first compromised during his third attempt at the kahs-wan trial, when a Vulcan teen must survive the wilderness, alone, for 10 days. He came back after 5, telling Sarek and Amanda that he'd seen a vision of Sha-Ka-ree. So, at least we got a little perspective there.
We find out a lot about Spock's early years. A LOT! And it takes up far too much of the book. It's a hardcover, but only 200 pages, and he's only just on the Enterprise with Pike by page 90.
Then there's the overuse of the word 'love' and the Vulcan word for autobiography-- t'san a'lat. Apparently, we never knew how much Spock 'loved' other people. And if you had a bottle of booze with you as you read this book, and took a shot every time t'san a'lat was written, you'd be stinking drunk and unable to read the book! The author apparently is in love with her use of the word, and it shows up again and again and again and again and again.
Spock is writing this memoir just before he embarks on the mission that would accidentally send him to the parallel universe of the JJ Abrams Star Trek, and the book is also written to Spock's friend, Jean-Luc Picard, who he mentions over and over and over, because he senses that he might not return from this mission (expecting death, rather than universe-hopping, I guess). Should he not return,. Picard had permission to publish it and allow others to learn about Spock.
He also says readers will notice that the book is in sections dedicated to the people he's loved in his life. Yes, 'loved'. Right. Spock plus love wasn't supposed to make sense, from what we've been watching for 50 years, but the author came up with an excuse for that. More on that below.
So it's broken up in sections for Michael (yes, THAT Michael, as in Michael Burnham), T'Pring, Sybok, Surak, Pike, Enterprise, Bones, Saavik, Pardek, Sarek, Picard, and Jim. Jim Kirk, his friend and commanding officer, finally gets mentioned at the very end of the book.
And Jim Kirk gets 3 pages to him. THREE!!! One of his most important friendships and influences is reduced to a mere after-thought! NUTS!
(So, apparently, Spock 'loved' Surak and Pardek. Ooookayfine. Whatever.)
The mere mention of Burnham took me out of the book, and I skipped every spot that she's mentioned. How the author could possibly accept that Discovery can take place in the same universe as the Original Series...let's not go there.
But, she gets sooo much said in this book, while the author simply brushes off the lack of Kirk as basically 'so much has been written before, what can I add?'. Well, a good author could come up with a helluva lot, if they tried!
Even the meager amount of writing mentioning time on the Enterprise is sparse, and offers so little insight that it hardly becomes an autobiography if you don't elaborate on the empty spots in a character's history-- which is why people want to read such a book!
Here's some stuff I noticed as I read as far as page 102.
Spock says as a child he remembers looking up at his mother's dark eyes. Amanda, a.k.a. Jane Wyatt, does not have dark eyes. She has blue eyes, so how can they be dark?
There are homes on Vulcan that are huge and somber, and date back thousands of years. How could anybody live in something that's thousands of years old? How is it still standing?
The author details time Spock spent with his human grandparents on Earth, but they come off as intellectual, pretentious, and unlikable. A quote; "Their house was not large, but was remarkably peaceful, and there was usually a friend or two in residence who had come to enjoy the quiet and conduct some research or complete some writing of their own." Ummm. Who visits somebody, then scurries away to do research or write a book at somebody else's home, virtually ignoring the host? Weird.
Another quote; "I spent a great deal of time with my grandparents, whom I loved deeply." Again, the author must be talking about herself, because Spock is so far removed from humans that he doesn't understand emotions or why we do the things we do, and finds our illogic offensive. And again, Spock feels deep love? No way.
He also helps pull a prank at Starfleet Academy, by creating a cloaking device to hide a building. Riiight. Because cloaking technology can be invented by a bunch of Academy cadets the day before graduation.
Vina's ship is mentioned, but called the 'USS Columbia'. Incorrect. Just 'SS Columbia'.
And Spock supposedly decided that when Pike and several officers left, he could become a different person, more aloof and observant when Kirk took over. So, basically, the Spock we saw in the 3 seasons of the Original Series, wasn't the Spock that grew up before Kirk and Pike's time. He was somebody else.
So, that's as far as I want to go, and I'm just going to return the book. It doesn't 'sound' like Spock, not even the mellowed after-death Spock, and I honestly don't think the author knows the character she's written about. And as much as I wanted to read about his interaction with Saavik, jumping ahead to see a ridiculously short 3 pages referencing Kirk (and not a good reference, either), I'm sure I'd be disappointed, so I'm bailing out before I read anything else that's wrong, in my opinion.
I wanted to enjoy this book, but not only did I not enjoy it, I feel like I wasted my time.
My final thought; it gets a D minus. Do NOT buy this book.
At least you didn't have to pay for it.