Oh. My. God.

Well. Yup. What you said.

This would normally sound like a horrid thing to say, but I’m sure other Farscapians will understand when I say: Crais and Talyn jolly well better be dead!!! If we find out in a future episode that Talyn’s unique birth gave him added strength and the pair of them survived, Spotted Kitty will be able to hear my screams from the other end of the country. For that matter, the American viewers will be able to hear me!

Considering how batty Moya went when the crew were only planning to shut down Talyn, she seemed remarkably calm about his impending death.

What is with the religious music and singing that this show uses for dramatic moments? At least it was a bit more appropriate (if a bit earthcentric) at Aeryn’s funeral in the last series, but in this episode it was well over the top and rather unnecessary.

The bit with Aeryn about to be shot and then surviving due to a convenient fluke made me sigh heavily.

So, any bets on whether Scorpy’s copped it this time? Personally I wouldn’t be sorry if he is gone – I think he’s done his time and doesn’t have much more to give, but I guess he has to stay around if only to play Harvey for Crichton.

What was the point of Scorpius rushing off to get Braca before his final confrontation with John? I was expecting Braca to be sneaking around behind John and trying to kill him while Scorpy had his attention but we never saw him again.

They must have pretty much blown the season’s budget in this episode. I have a really horrible feeling – and so hope that I’m wrong – that the next episode might be a bottle show, with everyone sitting around a table on Moya and reminiscing about the good and bad times, with lots of flashbacks from the three seasons.

By the way, this part was called “Wolf in Sheep’s Clothing”

Well, strangely enuff, the next ep IS a bottle show. Hows about that?

Well thanks a LOT, Braxton - if I'd wanted a spoiler, I'd have ASKED for one, you twonk!

twonk...where have I heard that before?

Suitable description though.

Braxton...Its customary to give some sorta warning before you post stuff like that so that those of us who don't want to read it are forewarned and can stear clear. However, if you wanna talk about /this/ ep then feel free. Anyone who reads the show board has to be prepared for spoilers.

I now return you to your normal service.

>The bit with Aeryn about to be shot and then surviving due to a convenient fluke made me sigh heavily.

Yeahs, same with there only being, what?, five guard at Talyn despite Scorpy telling them that they were to kill anyone that tried to get on...I doubt five guards are enough for a ship Talyns size.

I agree with you C, it'll be a big dissapointment if Talyn and Crais return...I couldn't believe they actually did it but now they have they'd better stick to it.

Twonk: it’s a Brummie* insult, I believe – certainly my Brummie friend knows it, though she’s not sure exactly what it means! I first heard in in the Red Dwarf episode Back to Reality – again used by a Brummie, the character played by Timothy Spall. As to what it means – I always hear it as a mixture of ‘twit’ and ‘gonk’, though personally I think that’s an insult to gonks, cos I loved the gonk I had when I was a kid!

(* For our American friends, Brummie = a person from Birmingham --- England, that is, not Alabama!)

Back on topic:

Another great/memorable moment from this week’s show: John and Harvey playing chess, draughts and Go Fish in the middle of a battlefield, especially Harvey’s convincingly indignant protest after John had already lifted his finger from the draught he’d just played, and a little later Harvey’s triumphant cry of “Go Fish!”

Quote of the episode has to be John telling Scorpius, “Read the middle finger”.

I do have to ask how Crais managed to bring Talyn back to ‘life’ – hadn’t they put all his biologics into stasis a couple of episodes ago? Yet Talyn seemed to speak to Crais as soon as he went on board. I suppose it is possible that Crais had done some tinkering and turned the appropriate bits on before going to the bridge but it wasn’t made clear.

I still can’t decide whether I really adore the scene of Scorpius standing on the steps with the water cascading down around him or whether it’s a bit OTT. Sometimes it feels like a missing scene from Titanic, while sometimes it really moves me. Is it meant to be imagery of Scorpy’s dreams pouring away, d’you think?

I hope that most people had already started evacuating the carrier before Scorpius deigned to inform the crew that there was a problem and it was time to leave!

John convinced Co-Kura Strappa far too easily to give up all the work he’d done. And if Strappa felt that John’s arguments were so important that he should resort to having his memories erased, shouldn’t John have gone through the same treatment?

Is this the first time we’ve seen the Aurora Chair used to erase memories rather than extract them? How did John know how to use it? If Strappa gave him instructions, how did he know how to use it? He’s supposed to be a flight expert, isn’t he – why should he have had training on the control panel for the Aurora Chair?

John’s release code for Scorpius’ i-yensch bracelet was 911.

Was John tattooing the calculations onto his arms at the end of the episode, or at least using indelible ink? Isn’t that rather dangerous in case he’s captured by Commandant Servalan Grazer?

> Red Dwarf episode Back to Reality

Yes! THANK YOU!

I now reside in Birmingham.....Alabama. Not sure what that makes me except some type of transplanted Yankee from Ohio. I am able to understand more and more of what most people say around here, y'all. We here in the USA get to see this espisode on 19 Apr and I wonder who will be left standing or walking. I wonder if the last show of this season will have any 'loose ends.'

Believe me, Duane, it's well worth the wait. If you're anything like me, your jaw will be hanging at the very end of that episode!

Wow. Amazing.

Ok, first I actually have a NIT! When John is sitting in the Farscape 1, trying to convince Scorpy to take a ride in the wormhole, in one shot John has his elbows resting on the edge of the cockpit. The camera angle changes and suddenly, his elbows are resting inside the cockpit.

Second, I kept waiting for Celine Dion to start singing during the whole evacuation sequence. I think TPTB watched Titanic a few times too many. That stair scene with Scorpy was straight out of Titanic.

Third, where did all that water come from, anyway?

Fourth, I actually felt a bit sorry for Scorpy at the end. He lost all his dreams and plans and, I think, went down with his ship (another Titanic reference, IMHO). Great acting.

Don't get me wrong, though, this was a GREAT episode.

cstadulis: I think the water was from that training area. Part of the training facility consisted of a lake.

TUE

There was indeed a pond of water in the training
area.
Scorpy's such a great villian I don't see him
being killed.I think he'll be popping up next
season some how,after all we really don't see
what happens to him.
Bet that Aeryn's old friend isn't quite as dead
as everyone thinks either.I can just see a future
ep.where Aeryn or one of the others runs into her
fire scarred body alive and well and looking for
revenge!
btw:Is it just me or does Crais remind anyone else
of Anthony Ainley's version of the Master on
Dr.Who?(the way he looks I mean)
So how come when they had the empathy bracelets on
and Scorpy was pounding John's head on the table
Scorpy didn't get a headache as well?

Whether Scorpius lives or dies, there is still Harvey in Crichton's head, albeit a more domesticated Harvey, so at least he'll get to throw out a few entertaining morsels. My personal feeling is unless they come up with a large subplot to entail Scorpius as the Wormhole Technology was, it'd seem hollow to bring him back. When Crais was cast out of the PKs, they wisely did not bring him back until his pet project, the Leviathon Hybrid, came to fruition.

What I want to know is: how come they didn't take advantage of showing Scorpius change the cooling rod in his head? I'd think he''d have to change it once with all the stress he endured, and Crichton would best show how painful it is to have something that screws directly into your brain.

TUE: I think the water was from that training area. Part of the training facility consisted of a lake.

Ah! Indeed you are right. I had forgotten about that.

What is keeping Crichton from going to Earth? According to previous episodes, creating wormholes isn't that difficult. Travelling through the wormholes is what the peacekeepers have been unable to do.

Yet in this episode, Crichton and Scorpy go for a little joyride through a wormhole with no adverse effects. This is because Farscape1 is immune to the dangerous effects of wormholes. So why doesn't Crichton just create a wormhole and go back to Earth.

Secondly, how is it that Crichton and Scorpy can enter a wormhole at point A and then exit the wormhole at point A. In "Self Inflicted Wounds", they said that sometimes wormholes can connect to each other and form loops, but I thought that was rare and that they were difficult to navigate.

Just a few nits from me.

See ya later
TUE

One more thing,

In this episode, Scorpy says that Earth is only 60 years away at top speed. Presumably he's talking about top Peacekeeper speed.

So how fast can Moya go? I always got the impression that a starburst will take you from Point A to Point B instantaneously. If Crichton now knows Earth's location, why not have Moya starburst there?

See ya later
TUE

I've always been under the impression that starbursting only takes people to a random place or maybe a general area of space. However, evidently they can not make leaps across the galaxy or anything; maybe the space has to be well-charted before starbursting into an area.

The box set of videos of Season 3 arrived on Saturday and I’ve been steadily ploughing through them during the week (good week to have leave from work!) and have so far got to the end of this episode. Most of the BBC cuts were understandable: bad language for a 6.45-7.30 p.m. slot, heavy sexual talk etc but I was surprised at a cut made from this episode. It was the bit where Henta was hit by the explosion and burned. In the BBC version all we saw was the initial explosion and the fireball heading towards Henta, then Aeryn walking away. I was startled that the scene of Henta burning was cut when I’m sure we’ve seen much worse (or at least equally bad) scenes in Buffy which is shown at the same time of the evening.

Also I was surprised at the number of the times that the word ‘b*tch’ was taken out from various episodes when, again, I’m sure we’ve heard the word many times in episodes of Buffy.

Potential nit: we’ve probably seen this before but this was the first time I’ve really noticed it. Whenever John sits in Farscape 1 with the hatch open, his head is well above the side ledge, yet once the hatch is closed, his and any passengers’ heads are much lower down in the cockpit. Does he sit on the back of the chair when he’s got the hatch open or do the chairs sink down as the hatch closes? Or has someone got the perspectives wrong with the props? (I’m assuming that the external shots of Farscape 1 and the internal ones are taken in two different models)

I think the thing with the firebals is because in Buffy "They aren't human" on coud probably be classified as Fantasy Violence wheras this was a "human" getting toasted.

I can't believe I never commented on this ep. This is, quite possibly, my favorite episode of Farscape ever. It was truly an amazing hour of entertainment. My breath was gone from "Talyn, Starburst" to the end.

What a way for Crais and Talyn to go. I really can't think of a better death scene for the two of them. It was great.

There are some great visuals toward the end. The shot with Scorpy standing on the stairs while the water rushes by is one of my favorite shots of of him.

And I love the final conversation between Scorpius and Crichton. Scorpy just seems so beaten, ready to give it all up. And John is almost sympathetic. Very well acted by both of them.

And more Harvey and John in the trenches. I love Harvey's victory yells as he continually beats John.

Any particular reason why comm contact between Co-Kura and Crichton flying through the wormhole should be broadcasted througout the ship?
Why confine an Interon to a metal prison if everybody knows they can scream themselves out?