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D'ARGO!!!! How could they?

I cried twice during the second half. First, as D'Argo dies (Who's Your Daddy?) and says good-bye to everyone, and then when John woke up and started talking to Lil' D.

Any show (or two-hour mini-series) that can make me cry twice is a good, good thing.

Some minor quibbles, but nothing real big. I had a feeling Sikouzu would be the traitor. I never did like her....

I just wish Zhaan could have made an appearance.

cstadulis, you said it. D'Argo, say it isn't so
If it had to be that way, D'Argo would not have it any other way. Agree, wish Zhaan would have shown up.

However, there is the doc's translator, Sikouzu and a (mortaly) wounded D'Argo with lots of transports on the planet. An opening? Is there hope???

Enjoyed the mini-series. I really, really miss this show. Well done by all.

How did the ratings?

This was a great finish...

D'Argo biting the dust was a tear jerker and so was when they named baby Crichton D'Argo.

The only thing that kept bugging me while watching was pilot's voice being different, that and knowing this was the end... hopefully it gets huge ratings and scifi channel wants to do a bunch more mini series or bring it back for season five... one can only hope

Duane there is a slim chance that those three got together and got off the planet, but the only thing left after the wormhole weapon was moya, Grayza's ship, and the Scaren leaders ship... but there is hope

IT was also wierd seeing Stark without his mask on and not shining like a flash light, the dark void on his face was kinda eerie looking

Well, this ends up contradicting the short story HORIZONS from the Farscape magazine.

Highlight to read a spoiler from that story...

In that story, nearly 300 years down the road, D'Argo is quite alive and well, leading a force of mercenaries.

the slash is the wrong way.

Outstanding special. They didn't miss a beat, it was as if they filmed this right after the last ep of season 4.

They did something different with Pilot's voice, it was more digital for some reason. Maybe a different voice actor filling in for this special?

I was a bit disappointed that Rigel didn't make more of a contribution to the overall plot. In past episodes Rigel has always done something, in his own unique way, to help his shipmates get past the crisis of the moment. Often their plans would fail without Rigel's timely intervention. In this special he has no function other than to carry the baby and puke up the ring. Still had some good lines, but he didn't seem to have a role to play.

In past episodes the Scarans and Peacekeepers were interested in the wormhole technology in order to gain a tactical advantage over their opponents, ie. to drop fleets in behind enemy lines and such. In this special the premise has changed, the wormhole itself would be used as an offensive weapon. It was odd that the Scaran emperor lost interest in Crichton's knowledge after learning that Crichton could not create a "wormhole weapon". I would think that being able to pop a fleet of ships anywhere, anytime would be a great power to have at his disposal.

It appeared that the Scarans had achieved great military superiority over the Peacekeepers and that they were winning every battle. Why did the Scaran emperor feel it was necessary to obtain the wormhole weapon if his forces were vastly superior to the Peacekeepers? Why not kill Crichton to prevent anyone from gaining an advantage over the Scarans?

Old Star Trek adage: if you didn't see him die, he may live on. Remember that the Luxan commando ship had an advanced cloaking device. Maybe they swung back and picked D'Argo up? You never know...

Something bugged me about the resolution to the war. If Crichton is incapacitated, there was no way he can make another wormhole (indeed, the knowledge has been completely removed from his brain, though no one else knows it yet). So why do the Scarrans and the Peacekeepers sign the treaty anyway, now that the wormhole threat is gone? It can't be because they have suddenly realized the error of their ways - they were still willing to keep fighting until they were convinced Crichton wasn't bluffing.

I guess they're people of their word.

Anyway, Part 2 was just frelling amazing. I'm not sure there was a moment I didn't like.

And I did get kind of misty eyed when D'Argo bit the dust. I didn't want to believe that it would happen, but I had a feeling. Poor D. And then Pilot reminded me about ten minutes later. That was so sad.

And then I thought that Crichton was a goner too. That would have been downright cruel. But Harvey made me feel much better about that. Go Harv.

I love the part where they come out, guns blazing, Aeryn holding her newborn in one hand and a gun in the other. That was quite the badass scene.

And that's gotta be the most Farscapeian wedding/birth ever. As it should be.

What's with Scorpy's smug look at the end? Does he consider it suitable revenge to force peace onto two of his most despised enemies?

D'Argo Sun-Crichton. That's cute. I like it.

Scorpy's smug look - mayb Harv gave him Wormhole weapon info???? [Scorp - I got a secret I won't tell. I got a secret I won't tell] Maybe that is the reason Harv points at the Crichton/Monolith in the 2001 Space Odessey sequence.

Sci-Fi shows both parts again Sunday afternoon.

I agree that Part 2 was quite awesome. And that is an interesting theory, Duane! One nit I forgot to mention earlier - why is it called The Peacekeeper Wars? There was only one war. (Incidentally, the title to this forum is wrong.)
The title has now been amended - thanks, Mike. Callie

Again, wow. What a phenomenal wrap-up to the series, if this is the end, and what an absolutely amazing set-up if Sci-Fi (or some other, smarter cable channel) decides to renew the series! Whip-smart, great dialogue and repartee, characters true to form in so many ways...

In no particular order:

D'Argo, son of Crichton. Very cool, even if I did see it coming from a zacron away. The birth and wedding in the midst of battle was vintage Farscape! Great line while Chiana is trying to be mid-wife to Aeryn and get the baby out of the breach position - Aeryn: "Shooting makes me feel better!" Heck, there was so much great stuff surrounding her pregnancy, from her consummate Peacekeeper nature - carry the baby in one hand, fire the rifle in the other - to Rygel's hormonal imbalance when the baby was removed (God, was that hysterical!) to Aeryn's trusting Rygel with the baby when they're getting picked up by the docking web...

D'Argo - to echo cstadulis, Noooooooooooooo! Ah, man, he was the best! Why couldn't they kill off...ah, nevermind. They pretty much killed off everyone worth killing off, and I guess they had to put some sort of tragedy in the end, just in case. But did you notice how we never saw D'Argo or Sikozu actually die; it's only implied by what happened. D'Argo says his stab wound is unhealable. He and Sikozu both are left on the planet, which is destroyed by the out-of-control wormhole. But you know, if the series is renewed and there's big enough pressure from fans and the actors agree to it, they'll come up with some way that D'Argo and/or Sikozu escaped before the planet went blooey.

Man, John's parting words to D'Argo got me all teary-eyed! Here we had two great characters who started out not liking or trusting each other but becoming the greatest of friends in ways I have not seen on television or in movies.

Ya gotta love that great reference back, when John gave D'Argo the guns and said to him, "When those guys show up, you tell 'em who their daddy is." Mega-heh!

Sikozu was the spy! I did not think so, because wasn't she not always in a position to pass the information on that the Scarran Emperor received? I thought it was whatsisface, the Healer's assistant/negotiator. In fact, why did they leave him on the water planet when they fled?

Wow, that wormhole weapon put the biatch-slap on that general region of space! Two fleets and a planet wiped out of existance. Day-um. Guess the Ancients really trusted Crichton completely to give him that sort of capability.

But I'm a little disappointed at how easily John came out of his comatose state. The Ancients taking the knowledge out of him should have been a little more life-threatening to ratchet up the uncertainty level at the end. And every time we saw him in the bed, comatose and the ship wrecked around him, I kept wondering why there was no reference to cold mango juice. Heck, if they can reference Monty Python and Douglas Adams, why not Red Dwarf?

Speaking of the Ancients, where the heck was Kent McCord in the mini-series? He is listed in the credits on IMDB as Jack Crichton, and I kept hoping to see him, but the only appearance is in the previouslies, when he very briefly appeared as the Ancient Jack. I kept wondering when they were going to get us back to Earth, since it appeared we were going to see Jack Crichton, and how they were going to pull that off, since John collapsed the wormhole leading to Earth in the final episode of season 4.

Stark came through for once! He was one character I kinda liked at first, but the more the story went on over the seasons, the more annoyed I became whenever he appeared. I felt he was a babbling interference to the story right to the very end, when the knowledge and power of the ancient Eidarans was passed onto him, and his head finally healed. I need to go back now and find out what it was that made the side of his head all glow-y for so long...

I am disappointed they either could not or did not want to get Virginia Hey back to reprise her role as Zhaan. I'm sure they could have explained it somehow.

More later, when I view this part a second time...

I was on the road on business for Part II, and couldn't see it. Is SciFi going to rerun this?

Obi-Juan
I was a bit disappointed that Rigel didn't make more of a contribution to the overall plot. In past episodes Rigel has always done something, in his own unique way, to help his shipmates get past the crisis of the moment. Often their plans would fail without Rigel's timely intervention. In this special he has no function other than to carry the baby and puke up the ring. Still had some good lines, but he didn't seem to have a role to play.
-Well, I thought that those things that Rygel did do, was a big contribution. I mean, he was very protective of the baby, wasn't he? And I think only he and his particular species, {He's Aquatic}, could have the patience to make sure he got every crystal piece of Aeryn and John.

Mike Nuss
Something bugged me about the resolution to the war. If Crichton is incapacitated, there was no way he can make another wormhole (indeed, the knowledge has been completely removed from his brain, though no one else knows it yet). So why do the Scarrans and the Peacekeepers sign the treaty anyway, now that the wormhole threat is gone? It can't be because they have suddenly realized the error of their ways - they were still willing to keep fighting until they were convinced Crichton wasn't bluffing.
-Well, that's just it, they didn't know that the technology was removed from Crichton's head. Though, I got a different feeling from that main scene. I think all three parties probably felt, that no matter how they feel they needed an advantage over someone else, that kind of thinking would probably end up no one winning, whether it would be with wormhole weapons, or anything else. I think they were all surprised and enlightnend at the way their thought processes were heading. Let's just say, it looks like the Peacekeepers and the Scarrens just got humanized.

John M
What's with Scorpy's smug look at the end? Does he consider it suitable revenge to force peace onto two of his most despised enemies?
-Uh, maybe the Scarren more his despised enemy, but he was on the side of the PeaceKeepers. I think that smug look is from something else. Despite his questionable villianess and whatever, I do find him extremely intelligent, and more than likely, philosophical. Here we have an individual, who's very existence beating the odds, {The only surviving Scarren/Sebecian hybrid}, watching the two very races, he's made up as, sign a peace treaty. I think, that is probably where Scorpi is going to find his peace. He's had this eating at him all his life. His very existence was brought out by the hatred felt on each side of his genetic makeup. To view his two very own races shaking hands and making up, may also mean internally for him, him coming to accept both his halves, and thus making himself feel whole. And more than likely, he can probably feel very proud of himself for being a part of it. He fought on the side who made the real difference, {John Crichton and gang}, sacrificed his wife,[ who was the spy], to ensure John and gang kept going, and thus feeling like he did something for peace. That was pretty much what he was aiming for, when we first get to see him so long ago. Personally, I think Scorpius is smug, because now, his life is complete. I say, next to the Crichton family, he also has the happy ending.
Taoiseach
D'Argo - to echo cstadulis, Noooooooooooooo! Ah, man, he was the best! Why couldn't they kill off...ah, nevermind. They pretty much killed off everyone worth killing off, and I guess they had to put some sort of tragedy in the end, just in case. But did you notice how we never saw D'Argo or Sikozu actually die; it's only implied by what happened. D'Argo says his stab wound is unhealable. He and Sikozu both are left on the planet, which is destroyed by the out-of-control wormhole. But you know, if the series is renewed and there's big enough pressure from fans and the actors agree to it, they'll come up with some way that D'Argo and/or Sikozu escaped before the planet went blooey.
-I also felt something, when John got rid of the wormhole weapon. All of a sudden, it's just down right peaceful. No planet left, and no wormhole. Where did everything go? Down the wormhole? Where? Shouldn't there be some kind of evidence of what was left of the planet. Remember what Einstein and John said about time within these wormholes. What if time got played about on the planet, and yes, we never saw D'argo, Skikozu, or that other fellow pass away. We just assumed. And if it's anything like the wormholes in 'Adromeda' and 'Stargate:SG1', time slowed down, and something could have happened, right?

ScottN - yes, SciFi is supposed to rerun both parts this Sunday afternoon. I will record it so I can check it out when I like. My cable box now does 'Tivo' and Peacekeeper Wars will be on it.

Interesting comments, like reading them.

BTW, the LA Times TV mag for the week of 10/17-23 had Farscape as the cover article.

Same here in the Birmingham AL newspaper TV schedule for the last week. They had an article inside the first page about the mini-series.

I really really really enjoyed the whole mini-series. Excellent way to wrap up the series. I couldn't be more pleased, really. D'Argo's death was very noble and fitting. The very last scene with Aeryn, Crichton, and Lil'D'Argo was superb and an excellent way to close the series.

I was amazed the whole time.

One thing bugged me though.

Just before Moya comes to scoop up the crew in the docking web, everyone is running up the stairs toward the balcony. And right there as they're running up the stairs is Rygel superimposed over all of them. It has to be the cheesiest special effect I've ever seen. I couldn't believe how bad it looked given the overall fantastic SFX elsewhere in the show.

It was great to have one final taste of Farscape.

TUE

D’Argo tells Jothee, “Chiana was the first person since your mother that I really cared about.” Did he forget that he had a bit of a thing for Zhaan?

Chiana tries to feed Stark but only succeeds in smearing food around his mouth because he won’t eat. A couple of moments later he wakes up and explains why Rygel is crying, and suddenly his mouth is clean.

The moment Chiana told D’Argo that she would live with him on Hyneria, I knew that one of them was doomed!

I really think that Aeryn might not have struggled to have given birth for so long if she’d have taken her trousers off!! Or do Sebaceans give birth from somewhere else?

The 2001: A Space Odyssey homage during Harvey’s death was superb. That short scene alone must have cost a fortune to stage.

From D’Argo’s dying scenes onward, I had tears streaming down my face. Unlike some of the others here, I’m content for that to be the final episode. It wrapped up pretty much all of the unfinished threads, and I think that any future episodes – with no Harvey, with Scorpius no longer interested in John, and with nobody having any particular need to chase John around the galaxy – would have to have such a major change of direction that it might not be the Farscape we’ve all known and loved. Don’t get me wrong – if they do make more, I’ll be watching, but I say let it end here, pretty much perfect.

Watching this on four separate low-quality downloads wasn’t the best way to see this mini-series, but better than not seeing it at all. I really hope the BBC pick it up or it comes out on video soon!

Watched the mini-series again this past Sunday (recorded it on my cable box). Enjoyed it even more. Tried to see what else is on the chalk board in part one besides 'E=MC Hammer.' D'Argo's death still had the impact.

Callie, yes, it was a good way to 'end the series' and agree if they have some more, I will watch it. Maybe have it 5 years later and this occurs.....

Hope it come out on DVD soon. Christmas would be nice.

Duane Parsons: Tried to see what else is on the chalk board in part one besides 'E=MC Hammer.'

Well, there was what John wrote, which was shot about the most amazing way possible to ensure that those who know, know what he wrote, and those who don't, well, should probably ask their parents.

I have to agree with you, TUE and Callie: it was a great way to wrap up the story, if this is going to be it for the television life of this universe. I would be interested to see how, or if, the Farscape universe continues on in book form.

Also, does anyone have the US Neilson/Arbitron ratings for the mini-series? How'd it do versus ratings for past episodes, and versus what Sci-Fi Channel expected?

I believe the DVD comes out sometime in January. January 18:
http://www.watchfarscape.com/stories/1098224565.php

There's also supposed to be a release early next year in the UK by Contender Entertainment:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/cult/news/cult/2004/10/29/15152.shtml

And the ratings report:
http://www.watchfarscape.com/stories/1098225272.php

sounds pretty good, though it may just be the spin from the network

Josh M, thanks for the info and links. Will pick up the DVD in Jan 05.

Now THAT was the way to end the series! While I would have enjoyed seeing the actual fifth season, this movie was a fitting end to a fantastic show. Farscape, along with Babylon 5, shows what series continuity and superior storytelling can do for any show, not just a science fiction show. I will miss Farscape!

The DVD for The Peacekeeper Wars is currently available for pre-order on Amazon.com.

It was good to see everybody back, although I would have liked to seen Zhann back as well. And it's too bad that Melissa Jafer had an allergic reaction to the makeup, as we would have seen more of Noranti.

I agree with others on this board - Pilot did sound different.

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D'Argo - I unfortunately read about his death in Starlog prior to seeing the movie. Knowing about it helped me to watch the movie. Seeing him die without knowing would have bothered me as much as Spock's and Kosh's deaths did.

Oh, and by the way, for obvious reasons, I didn't think Harvey was such a bad guy .

Great sendoff for a remarkable show! While it would be nice to have more episodes, and I would certainly watch, I can be happy now with this movie as the end of the series. I look forward to buying the DVDs.

Long Live Farscape!!

Two other things:

I liked the origin of the Peacekeepers. It makes sense, and shows how out or whack they went from their original mission.

Check out Farscape Magazine #12 from May 2003. There is a story in there about Rygel's funeral that for me is a fitting ending for the Farscape story. Since we didn't actually see D'Argo die, that story could still happen. The gist of it is that Rygel's funeral prompted a reunion of the old gang, and Creighton is still alive - the translator microbes had a side benefit of extending his life. He is 311 years old in this story. Check it out if you can.

Probably the best place for this.
UK broadcast info (from the BBC's cult site).

Sky one will be broadcasting PK Wars in January - 16th and 23rd. Channel five have the terrestrial broadcast rights, but there's some doubt about when those rights actually start. Some people are saying not until 2006. The BBC themselves probably didn't bid enough - the charter is up for renewal, hence all the job cuts announced last week, and some budget reductions - including on the new Dr Who series apparently.

Amazon has the DVDs for sale from Feb 14th. And HMV's running their voucher promo again (Spend £20 now to get a book of vouchers with up to £100 worth of reductions, ranaging from £3 off a normal priced cd to £20 if you spend £100 or more).

Guess where one of my vouchers will be going

Have the Peacekeeper Wars been released in the USA on DVD? Thanks.

Yep, Jan. 18th.

Now that I own "The PeaceKeeper Wars" on DVD, and have viewed many times now, there are other nits coming to my attention.
Viewing when the Scarrings nuked Jool and the Endoleons, we get a view of the planet, and the part being nuked. We see the mushroom cloud, and the subsequent shock wave distroy and blackend a good portion of the land out of ground zero. I even kind of memorized the land masses and the shapes pf the ocean, to remember exactly where ground zero was. Next, viewing D'argo and Chianna in space, upove the planet, and seeing the same land masses and the same shapes of ocean, I noticed the area where the nuke went off, yet it looks like it hasn't been nuked. Granted, they could be floating on the other side of the planet, but that is the planet, and the land masses look the same, and no mushroom cloud or blackend landscape. I find that a little wierd.

Thank you, Josh. Will get a copy.

BTW - did we ever figure out who the father of Grayza's baby is?

No, that was never revealed.

It was also sad to see Jool go. When she first came into Farscape I just did not like her, but she left just when I had started to warm to her.

BTW, did Braca die, or did he survive?

Think Braca was part of the group that Moya scooped up in the docking web, along with Crichton, Aeryn et al, so he survived.

In fact, I think he was one of those present during the signing of the peace treaty.

Having bought the DVD, I must say I was impressed with PK Wars before the first shots were fired. It only went up from there.

Felt it was a little Deus Ex Machina to bring Joth'ee into the series in the way they did, and surely Sikozu igniting the gas would have detonated the whole lot, not just the part of it near the door, but otherwise liked it.

As for follow ups, I really hope they don't. That was a good way to go out, when they wanted to, not bowing to the fans and hanging around beyond their time, or being shortchanged by the studios.

Although if they want to go into novels (especially missing episode style one) and so on, so long as they're good, I wouldn't be too upset.