I really don't think ALL those bits of dialogue qualify as great lines. You really think "Do you know who I am?" is a great line? Ya gotta be more selective. As for the army clothes, why is this a problem? Max is an expert thief, and there's four X-5's all together. If she cold lift a fancy dress in Art Attack, why not some fatigues?


What is it with these weird, lame-ass episode titles?

So much for Lydecker quitting booze "cold turkey," or his position that those who need 12-step programs are weak.

The actress who plays Brin is a bit cross-eyed. I have no problem with an actor who’s cross-eyed or anything, but internally, couldn’t this have not occurred, since she was genetically engineered down to the last chromosome?

Lydecker says that Max is special to her, and we are shown a flashback of him maintaining a vigil when she was in the infirmary as a youngster. I think this is the first indication that she was special to him back at Manticore.

For some reason, taping last week’s episode didn’t work; I ended up with an hour of snow on my tape (ARRRGGH!), so I’d like to comment on Logan’s use of Gus’ exoskeleton. I’m amazed at how much material the creators have packed into one season of this show. But isn’t it a bit soon to have Logan find another method of regaining use of his legs, after having a three-episode arc not too long ago where he found another that turned out not to be permanent? Shouldn’t they have spaced this out a bit, maybe into the next season?

When Lydecker is in the van telling Max about the person he once loved, he says, "In my eyes, she approached perfection." I’m assuming he said "she," because he subsequently uses female personal pronouns, but it really does sound like he says "he" in that first sentence. I did a double take until he continued on and used "she" and "her."

When Lydecker tells Max that a part of his late wife lives on in Max, Max asks if she’s a clone of his wife, and Lydecker says not a copy, but that Max was "inspired" by her. What does that mean?

Lydecker takes McGinnis' eye, but wait--McGinnis got to Manticore, is bandaged up, and his superiors know all about it. And yet, our guys manage to get in anyway using the eye, much to Madame X's surprise. Shouldn't they have eliminated McGinnis' retina patterns from the checkpoint computers?

WHOA. Old Max versus young Max. Now there’s a match-up I never thought I’d see. Not paying attention to the clock, when young Max fired her gun and the show faded to black, I thought that was the end of the episode, and would have to wait a summer for the conclusion. Of course, Lydecker says the X-7s are faster and better, but obviously, Max easily bests her young clone.

It was nice to see Zack smiling and getting along with some non-X-5’s. I don’t know why, but that it turns out to be kinda makes sense. But having drinks with Lydecker and even going to far as to smile at him, especially after what she said to him about him ever looking at her like that again, was just…..to similar to Kira getting along with Dukat in Indiscretion(DS9) and Return to Grace(DS9).

WHAT THE HELL--?!! The entire second-to-last act was fake?! What kind of BS is this? Man, what a cheat. It seemed like just a way for the creators to make us happy and then slap us upside the head. Dispensing with that st upid hallucination and just continuing where Max was shot would’ve been better. Zack’s ultimate sacrifice was shocking and heartbreaking, yet logical. I tried to make sure I caught everything by programming my VCR to start at a few minutes before 9, and a few minutes after 10, and yet it still got cut at the end! DAMMIT! The last shot was of Logan sitting up on the Needle with the camera panning around until he’s fully in the shot. I’m assuming I didn’t miss any major plot twists before it faded to black. I would've liked to hear the closing monologue, even if it was a previously used one. Why did they use an old one, anyway?

First off, I'd like to thank FOX for ruining the ending. They showed X-7 Max in the promo and all the commercials. It would have had much more of an impact if I didn't know that was coming. Also, the commercials showed Logan cradling the dying Max. Given that, I knew she was hallucinating/dreaming during the last act. The episode would have had more impact if they'd been more selective in what they showed us in the previews.

Hey who knows, in a few years maybe they can bring Zach back. Let his clone age a few years, then hire the old actor again. Could happen.
: )

The eye bit was a tad gruesome, more than I'd come to expect from this series. Also, it was ripped off from "Demolition Man," where it was just as gory.

Well, I suppose everything can be explained away with the anti-nit of "X-5s are so souped up that they're entirely unlike you or I," but that heart transplant shouldn't have worked, what with Max being DEAD and all; some sort of brain damage should have set in between the time she flatlined and when they got her on a heart-lung machine to prepare her for surgery (if that could even be done, given her condition).

Still, other than that and Logan's low-key response to Max "dying," it was a good season finale. I think Nana Visitor's going to end up being pretty good--at first I had a hard time not seeing her as alt-Kira, but her character's finally taking on a life of its own.

I thought this was an amazing episode. I love it when the people in charge of a show aren't afraid to take chances with the characters.

Of course, there's always nits.

So Max and the gang attacked Manticore. Went right to the heart of the matter. Went all the way to Wyoming to do it! (I don't know US geography well enough to know how far it is from Seattle to Wyoming but I assume it's at least a few hours away)

Unstoppable bad guys with a hive mind. Hmmm... that sounds so familiar... where have I seen that before? (Locutus rolls in his grave and the rest of the collective rolls with him)

I thought the "stop animal abuse" sign that could be seen in the background during the planning was funny, considering that everyone there was wearing a leather jacket! (On a personal note, I don't think the process by which leather is obtained constitutes animal abuse and I think the material looks better on me than it does on the animals... but the sign was still funny.)

Manticore has really •••• poor security. Then again, I guess they're not expecting anyone to break IN.

Did the inside of Manticore remind anyone else of the mental hospital in "Terminator 2"?

Did the "let's blow up the bad guys lab and that'll fix everything" strategy remind anyone of a similar strategy from "Terminator 2"?

Logan's new leg-things weren't working properly as of "Meow." I hope he fixed them before scaling the Space Needle! That would be a really bad place to discover that they don't quite work the way they should!

And speaking of the Space Needle, how the hell did he get up there? I doubt the elevator still works and I don't think there are any stairs. And once he did get up there, how did he get onto the roof? Granted, Max might have helped but what about at the end of the show?

I really thought that those other X-5s were cannon fodder and we'd get some great valiant sacrifice scenes, a la Vasquez in Aliens. But Zack was the only one who bit the dust. His last scene was an excellent one though.

Speaking of which, if he had decided to kill himself anyhow, why didn't he blow away Madame X at the same time? He knows she'll cause trouble for his brothers and sisters in the future.

Did the gang do all this action on a weekend or is Max missing work for this?

So now it's a two month wait until we find out what happens. ARRGH!

When Lydecker tells Max that a part of his late wife lives on in Max, Max asks if she’s a clone of his wife, and Lydecker says not a copy, but that Max was "inspired" by her. What does that mean?

If Max was a clone of Lydecker's wife she would be an exact genetic copy. She is not, she has some of Mrs. Lydecker's DNA, which geneticly is like being related to her but not an exact copy.

Lydecker says the X-7s are faster and better, but obviously, Max easily bests her young clone.

No she didn't, Young Max shot Max and left her for dead. Beating her was a dream, remember.

But having drinks with Lydecker and even going to far as to smile at him, especially after what she said to him about him ever looking at her like that again, was just…..to similar to Kira getting along with Dukat in Indiscretion(DS9) and Return to Grace(DS9).

Once agian it was a dream.

GREAT LINE:
"What a cliche that would be"
by Max about if she was Lydecker's daughter. Great line because lots of fans have been assuming that Lydecker would be her father and other fans have been saying that the whole sworn enemy turns out to be the hero's father has been done before (Star Wars anyone)

I was amazed by the episode. It was great.

I was SO not excepting the 'dream sequence/coma fantasy' ending. It was great.

I having problems dealing with the level of disbelief required to buy into the heart transplant deal at the end. I think Max would be majorly DOA by the time the docs got to her. Also they seemed to crack her chest REALLY quickly. But I guess we can sum it up to the greatness of Manicore docs and Max's 'super' powers.

And the ending with Logan on the Space Needle at the end.

I think the dream sequence was an homage by the writers to "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" by Ambrose Bierce. I was lucky enough not to see any of the promos with the injured Max so the scene took me by surprise as it was meant to do. I did wonder during the dream sequence what they were going to do for plots next season, but since it was just a dream, there's going to be lots for Max to do starting with escaping from Manticore.
Really looking forward to it. Gonna miss Zack though.

Luigi:
"Do you know who I am?" IS a great line, at least to me. You gotta really analyze it for more than it's basic structure.

"Do you know who I am?"
She's talking to who she was, a mindless soldier who cared for duty and the mission. That is precisely what young Max still is. Max was telling herself to look at what she could become. The grown Max is individual, is happy, is free...and she's telling her younger self that she could be just as free. It worked for Max, it could work for young Max. After all, they are the same person, at least genetically. Plus, Max has said over and over that Brin (Even after she kicked Max's booty) can still be saved, even with all the Manticore brainwashing, so obviously there is some hope for young Max as well.

At the same time, Max is questioning, "Do I know who I am?" She runs into herself all of a sudden, and questions whether she and her counterpart are really all that different. Consider the fact that Max has continued to behave like a soldier in many circumstances during the first season. In many episodes, we see her crying because of what she was, and what she is, and what she may always be. She's struggling to be something more than what she was created to be, and even with Logan's help, she STILL feels the same insecurites that she felt as a young and "different" child. She still needs redemption, which she finds in the help she gives to others, but no matter what she does, she can never escape her past. She can only learn to accept it, and move on with her life.

BTW, at least the majority of the quotes I pick are really good. I know some of them seem weak, but hey, I still like them.

Whoa, that's deep, Mike. (I'm just kidding with you. )


Brian Lombard: The eye bit was a tad gruesome, more than I'd come to expect from this series. Also, it was ripped off from "Demolition Man," where it was just as gory.

Luigi Novi: I don't think this was such a complex idea that only one person could think of it, Brian. It's possible the writer didn't see that movie, and even if he did, he could still have ended up thinking of it independently.

Brian Fitzgerald: If Max was a clone of Lydecker's wife she would be an exact genetic copy. She is not, she has some of Mrs. Lydecker's DNA.

Luigi Novi: Where did they say that?

Luigi Novi: Lydecker says the X-7s are faster and better, but obviously, Max easily bests her young clone.

Brian Fitzgerald: No she didn't, Young Max shot Max and left her for dead. Beating her was a dream, remember?

Luigi Novi: I wrote that nit as I watched the episode, and forgt to erase it. Sorry. However, the clone of Max doesn't really defeat her by being faster or better. She shoots older Max. I guess being the next generation of better-engineered soldiers means their smarter than the X-5's because they know enough to carry a gun!

Luigi Novi: But having drinks with Lydecker ...

Brian Fitzgerald: Once agian it was a dream.

Luigi Novi: Yeah, but it was still nice to see Zack smile, especially since he was going to die soon after.

And by the way, I meant to write in my first post:
" I don’t know why, but that it turns out to be (Alimi Ballard's character) kinda makes sense.
I forgot the Jamaican character's name, and forgot to check it at the Dark Angel site before posting.

Brian Fitzgerald: If Max was a clone of Lydecker's wife she would be an exact genetic copy. She is not, she has some of Mrs. Lydecker's DNA.

Luigi Novi: Where did they say that?

Where did he say wich part? Lydecker said that Max had some of his wife's DNA right before he told max that she had her eyes.

I guess I must've missed that.

I think the dream sequence was an homage by the writers to "An Occurrence at Owl Creek Bridge" by Ambrose Bierce.

Is that where some guy was being hanged and during the fall had a dream about the rope breaking and he escaped. I vaguely remember it from school and thought of it during this episode.

Great episode, loved the ending. I'll be sorry to see the end of Zach, I assume Lydecker will sort of take his role in the next season.

Yes Art, that is the story I was referring to.