The Dragon Reborn

Nitcentral's Bulletin Brash Reflections: Fantasy Novels: Robert Jordon: The Dragon Reborn

By Gordon Lawyer on Thursday, March 18, 1999 - 9:46 am:

From the Robert Jordan newsgroup (not my own words):

In TDR: 6, 99, The Hunt Begins, 63, the beginning at-camp scene, Perrin tells Min that he loves her like a sister -- and that he
has no sisters of his own. In TSR: 29, 466, Homecoming, 333, his two sisters and his brother are killed. (Erica Sadun)

Perrin is remembering a confrontation between Moiraine and Zarine (TDR: 41, 477, A Hunter's Oath, 388):
"Once she learned the girl thought they would lead her to the Horn of Valere,... then her cold blue stare had taken on a quality
that made him feel he had been packed...."

Which left me wondering whose cold blue stare? Both Moir. and Zarine have dark eyes. (Aline Thompson)

The quote continues "The Aes Sedai said nothing, but she stared too often and too hard for any comfort", implying that it refers
to Moiraine. (Joe Shaw)

Cites for Moiraine being dark-eyed:

TEotW: 2, 26, Strangers, 22
TGH: 4, 45, Summoned, 38
TDR: 6, 90, The Hunt Begins, 55
TSR: 3, 99, Reflection, 71
TFoH: 2,95, Rhuidean, 68

Cites for Faile having dark eyes:

TDR: 33, 386, Within the Weave, 319
TDR: 35, 402, The Falcon, 333
TSR: 2, 54, Whirlpools in the Pattern, 40

Maybe others have noted this metallurgy mistake; as a engineer this bugged me. In The Dragon Reborn, when Perrin takes a
day at the smithy, he notes the three quenching media: "As soon as he had made the hot-cut, he tossed the glowing metal into
the salted quenching barrel. Unsalted gave a harder quench, for the hardest metal, while the oil gave the softest, for good
knives." -- TDR: 50, 595, The Hammer, 506

Wrong.

In order of resultant hardness, it goes oil, water, salt water; with salt water yielding the hardest blade because of best heat
transfer and higher boiling point than plain water. Oil is softer because of slower heat transfer, but is commonly used for cutlery
because it causes less thermal stresses and a tougher blade (won't break from shock). Salt water quench is definitely a harder
quench than fresh water. It's due to the higher boiling point of salt water precluding the formation of an insulating vapor layer
over the steel, which slows heat transfer from the steel to the water.


By Jessica on Friday, March 19, 1999 - 11:27 pm:

This is a more general comment, but I thought that by the THIRD TIME Rand "killed" the Dark One for "the last and final time" he'd be less cocky about it. More--no one else ever reminds him of previous confrontations. It really bugged me. If I'd killed someone 2'ce before & he kept coming back, I'd be upset!


By Lauren on Saturday, March 20, 1999 - 10:00 pm:

Hi there! I just finished the 3rd novel in the wheel of time and I don't have any specific nits yet, so here's one from left feild:
In "Dune," the Fremen word for the devil is Shaitan, which is only one well-placed punctuation mark away from the Dark One's true name, Shai'tan. Does anyone know if Jordan did this on purpose?


By Omer on Sunday, March 21, 1999 - 1:07 am:

BTW - doesn't Jordan seem to be highly 'inspired' by dune? Lots of stuff are REALLY similar. Also DUNE is far better, with all due respect to Jordan


By Gordon Lawyer on Monday, March 22, 1999 - 7:22 am:

I believe both Herbert and Jordan got it from an Islam name for the Devil.


By Omer on Tuesday, March 23, 1999 - 5:36 am:

yeah, that's true.


By Gordon Lawyer on Tuesday, March 23, 1999 - 7:38 am:

A summary of similarities between Wheel of Time and Dune (and why this is perfectly aceptable) can be found here


By Gordon Lawyer on Tuesday, March 23, 1999 - 7:43 am:

Whoops! Let's try that again. It can be found here

BTW, I have no idea about the validity of the metallurgy nit, as I know diddly-squat about the subject. I'm just accepting on faith that the person who wrote it knows what they're talking about.


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