Worf moves some material then says the reactor is missing, but isn't the reactor that big piece of machinery that they recover on Gamma Hromi II? Shouldn't Worf have noticed the reactor was missing before he moved the stuff?
They find a piece of sharp glass or metal with blood on it and Crusher says, "but not Human." Since when are Humans the only people in the Federation? I suppose it's possible that only Humans were currently stationed at that research facility and that Dr. Crusher had checked on the medical records of those stationed there, but her statement seemed out of place in the supposedly integrated 24th century.
Marouk certainly uses an odd word choice. When talking to Picard about the Gatherer problem she says, "With the Starfleet's help..." Shouldn't she have said 'the Federation's' instead, or was she subtly asking Picard to fly into Gatherer territory with phasers and photon torpedoes blazing?
In Encounter At Farpoint it was revealed that Data's eyes are almost as good as Geordi's VISOR. In The Schizoid Man, Dr. Ira Graves, in Data's body, said that Data's ears, "Are better than an average dog." In this episode, however, Worf sniffs the Gatherers seconds before the attack starts. So why didn't Data hear or see them first?
When they find Yuta's victim, Riker tells the ship it's a Medical Emergency. So if it's a Medical Emergency, why did it take so long for Dr. Crusher to beam down to the planet?
Yuta's life has been devoted to tracking down and killing members of the clan Lornack. She knows that all the surviving members of this clan are among the Gatherers. So why has she been wasting her time serving as Marouk's cook instead of getting on a spaceship and finding the Gatherers?
Earlier Riker commented to Yuta that he would like to try her cooking, then in Ten-Forward she brings a plate of food over to his table and Troi picks up a fork and starts eating. Isn't that a bit rude of the empathic counselor.
How did the computer extrapolate Yuta's nose, mouth and chin? All those features were hidden by a shoulder in the picture.
Isn't it just a coincidence that there just happen to be three chairs around the table on Chorgan's ship?
Boy, when Riker doesn't get a piece of tail, he's a meany.
At the end the Enterprise has to deliver medical supplies to the Alpha Leonis system. Alpha Leonis is also called Regulus, which is the preferred Star Trek way of referring to this star, so why didn't Picard call it Regulus.
KAM: Boy, when Riker doesn't get a piece of tail, he's a meany.
Luigi Novi: I thought the two of them did get it on.
they didn't. Yuta came to him, but she acted like a slave. Riker then told her to leave. He didn't want a slave. Or it was something like that.
It's been awhile since I've seen this Episode.
Also, Lisa Wilcox who plays Yuta in this episode played Alice in Nightmare on Elm Street 4 & 5
He didn't tell her to leave. He told her she should feel pleasure and be happy as much as he should. She said she hasn't felt pleasure for a long time. He said that could change, she said it could not. The red alert klaxon went off when Chorgan's ship began firing at the Enterprise, and Riker went to the bridge. So apparently they didn't have sex, but I just knew he wouldn't have told her to leave. That didn't sound in character for Riker.
Riker telling a blonde babe to leave. That would be like Scotty giving up donuts and coffee. And speaking of Kirk this seems as good a point as any, Does Riker seem to have been the Next Gen's Kirk? Either by design or development. Just a thought.
Worse, Lolar, its like Scotty giving up scotch!
Sorry I see that as a fundamental part of the universe John. Sorta like gravity. Course I kinda got scotty confused with Federation security (or the police)
It was a long time since I saw this episode, and I knew that I got a few facts wrong. Thanks guys, for correcting me.
This episode KIND OF reminds me of "The Man Trap" (TOS)...in both cases, someone had to kill someone else that they had a close relationship with at one time.
I was going to say you were wrong, but then I remembered that the Salt Vampire did live with that guy it later killed for a year or so.
>Marouk certainly uses an odd word choice. When >talking to Picard about the Gatherer problem >she says, "With the Starfleet's help..." >Shouldn't she have said 'the Federation's' >instead, or was she subtly asking Picard to fly >into Gatherer territory with phasers and photon >torpedoes blazing?
Not really an odd word choice, the meaning of the statement is clear, she wanted Picard's help.
>Earlier Riker commented to Yuta that he would >like to try her cooking, then in Ten-Forward >she brings a plate of food over to his table >and Troi picks up a fork and starts eating. >Isn't that a bit rude of the empathic >counselor.
Perhaps, but they were together until Troi decided to leave...because Troi and Riker are close, I don't think Riker minded that.
>Isn't it just a coincidence that there just >happen to be three chairs around the table on >Chorgan's ship?
No, they could easily have put the needed amount of chairs together
>At the end the Enterprise has to deliver >medical supplies to the Alpha Leonis system. >Alpha Leonis is also called Regulus, which is >the preferred Star Trek way of referring to >this star, so why didn't Picard call it >Regulus.
Doesn't really matter...meaning is clear to the crew.
I just watched this episode, and what I don't understand is why Riker assumed that the girl in the picture taken 53 years ago is Yuta. Wouldn't it make more sense to assume it's one of her relatives? I mean, we are talking Clan Wars here. But Riker says "53 years, and she hasn't aged a bit." (Or something like that.) And do these Acamarians have that kind of technology, to develop this genetic virus and slow Yuta's aging so dramatically? It seems very far-fetched. Also, Yuta's virus was only harmful to the Lomak clan, so why didn't someone grab her and take her into custody, instead of Riker vaporizing her? Thanks for letting me vent!
Also, Yuta's virus was only harmful to the Lomak clan, so why didn't someone grab her and take her into custody, instead of Riker vaporizing her? Thanks for letting me vent!
No problem, N-mom.
That particular logical absurdity bugs everyone who sees this ep, I think (including the Chief, who makes great play with it in the first Nitpicker's Guide).
I mean, it's just so out there, NextGen-wise. Try to establish communication with crystalline killing machines? Sure! Try to rescue an otherwise tractable, thinking, reasoning humanoid who's caught up in an horrific tragedy that wasn't really her fault to begin with? Heck, no...
Or did he mean it was covered in grape jelly?
In the teaser, Worf tries to pry open a set of doors, and when he fails, he says that they’re jammed. Problem is, he’s still holding his palm beacon in his left hand when he tries to pry them open, and is therefore, using only one hand, his right hand, when making the attempt, which makes making prying the doors open impossible, regardless of whether or not they are jammed.
Today IS a good day to conserve my phaser energy!
After the Gatherers first ambush Riker, Worf, Data and Geordi in Act 1, Worf, peering out from behind some equipment, fires at the Gatherers in several pulsed phaser shots instead of one continuous one, as usual. Why is this? Do phasers have semiautomatic settings? If so, why does Worf have it on that setting now? When you know exactly where your enemy is, and have him in your sights, there’s no need to have the phaser on semiautomatic. What’s the point of having it on semiautomatic if you’re just going to fire three shots in rapid succession at the same spot anyway?
Did the ship move for you too?
While Riker embraces Yuta in his quarters, the red alert klaxon goes off. But Riker doesn’t seem to react until the ship is rocked by Chorgan’s phaser fire.
Where did Riker study combat tactics and fight strategy from? The General Custer-Saddam Hussein Institute for Incompetent Strategists?
Why does Riker tell Chorgan to stand still when he tries to stop Yuta from killing him at the end of the episode? So Chorgan can make himself an easier target for Yuta?? Yuta is still far enough away form Chorgan for Chorgan to make a break for it, and since the virus Yuta carries will not harm Marouk or Picard, why doesn’t Picard simply leap over the table at Yuta, or grab Chorgan and step between him and Yuta, so that Yuta can’t touch him?
And we all know scavengers and thieves use the same special FX guys
Chorgan’s ship is the same model as the Pakled’s ship from Samaritan Snare, although it’s just a note, not a nit, since both the Pakleds and the Gatherers were established to be scavengers and thieves.
And Gypsies tramps and thieves......
Huh?
Hell if I know, Luigi.
Just where did the 'Cher' thing come from?
Gatherers were established to be scavengers and thieves.
Someone (posting as Cher) decided to pun on Cher's song. That sort of thing is... err... not unheard of over here. I just wish I had thought of it too.
For a sec there I was wondering if they were making a refernece to a Gypsy stereotype.
Exactly someone got the groaner out before You or I could. To explain for those who might not know: Gypsies, tramps, and thieves was a song done by Cher back in the 70s or 80s (Not real sure myself) and was in the episode of the X-Files with the mad scientist and the comic book etc... I can't remember the title right of the top of my head. But a good pun.
It was the 70's Lolar.
Oh thank you I was'nt sure.
I wondered why the Gatherer leader was so insulting about Wesley's age. He has a son the same age, and in a harsh environment such as the Gatherers have, kids tend to grow up fast.
FUNNY QUESTION: Was one of the warring factions called the "Ku-Klux"? (That way you'd have the Ku-Klux Clan")
Well, other than the fact that about, oh, four-fifths of the viewing audience wouldn't find it particularly funny...
Is it me, or does it seem a bit odd that Brull is able to act the way he does on the Enterprise, and no one stops him? He steals someone's drink (true, drinks are apparently free in Ten Forward, but it's still rude), grabs a PADD out of Wesley's hand, and is generally rude, threatening, and obnoxious to everyone around him. Doesn't Ten Forward have bouncers? THat sort of behaivior would get him kicked out of most bars I know of, much less Ten Forward on the civilized Enterprise.
By the same token, Brull asks Wesley something along the lines of, "You don't like me, do you?" Well, duh, you've been purposely acting as if to make people dislike you, and for no apparent reason. In addition, Wesley all of a sudden is sympathetic to Brull because he finds out that Brull has two sons. I don't care if he has fifty children, his behaivior has nothing to do with his offspring, why would it matter?
While still picking on Brull, why does Picard tell him to show Wesley the coordinants to the meeting. This guy is a essentially a space pirate. Do you really want to give him a nice long look at the navigation panel of a Galaxy class starship?
Marc Lawrence (Chorgan) was born to play gangster roles (see also the DS9 episode, "Badda-Bing, Badda-Bang"). He pops up in a lot of old gangster films, like "Key Largo," and some has very noticeable parts in Bond films--the guy in "Diamonds Are Forever" that throws Lana Wood into the swimming pool, and as the assassin that tries to get the drop on Christopher Lee in "The Man with the Golden Gun."
Since we seem to be into pointing out guest stars other roles, I'll mention that Lisa Wilcox (Yuta in this episode) was in a couple of "Nightmare on Elm Street" sequels. I think she was the only character to survive more than one movie in that series. Except for Freddy of course.
Marc Lawrence didn't play Chorgan. He played Volnoth. Chorgan was played by Stephen Lee.
Yup, you're right. Anybody out there know anything about Stephen Lee?
Go to imdb, Mike.
But how does this affect the Pledge of Allegiance?
Well, obviously, Stephen Lee was a deep religious thinker, and is an American, so his being on an American TV show violates the Separation of Church and State.
Most of this episode was really quite funny to me!
This is the first instance where we see that Data is stronger than Worf. In the teaser he gets the jammed doors open when Worf couldn't.
KAM : "Marouk certainly uses an odd word choice. When talking to Picard about the Gatherer problem she says, "With the Starfleet's help..." Shouldn't she have said 'the Federation's' instead, or was she subtly asking Picard to fly into Gatherer territory with phasers and photon torpedoes blazing?"
Um...did you not pay attention? Picard's response was "Hunting them down is not what I am suggesting"...obviously she did mean "with STARFLEET's help..."
KAM : "In Encounter At Farpoint it was revealed that Data's eyes are almost as good as Geordi's VISOR."
Aren't Data's words "I can't see as well as Geordi"?
Jonathan Frakes loves this episode's romance scene.
BTW: Michael Lamper, (Marina's husband) played one of the "Gatherers"
Possible explanation on why Riker vaporizes Yuta. He stuns her, no effect, he raises the setting (likely to kill), still not stopping her. Then he taps the buttons again looking for a setting that he would be sure would stop her. Figuring that after two phaser hits, Yuta will probably lunge and hope her momentum carries her. Afterall, she only needs to touch the guy. Seeing how he knows he likely only has one more chance to prevent her from reaching the guy, he goes for maximum setting.
And as to why he couldn't beam her out, well, she wasn't wearing a communicator.
So why couldn't he beam a security squad between Yuta & her intended victim?
Well, he could, but he'd have to beam them in before he beamed over and tipped off the yuta that he knew what she was doing. Or she'd lunge when he said beam security.
The best solution would be to beam everyone out and then rematerialize them one at a time.
Stephen Lee (Chorgan) played the Markalian bartender in "Gambit" (don't get me started) and he also was the corrupt (and drug-addicted) Detroit cop in "Robocop 2" who was really an agent for the drug-lorg Kaine. Robocop discovered his treachery and beat the truth out of him about where Kaine's stronghold was. For this, Kaine had him sliced open like he was being dissected. Presumably, this killed him.
I liked it when Worf pointed for where Brull was to go on the bridge, and Brull was like, I'm not messing with him. Then, when he mouthed off to Picard, he gave Brull a VERY stern and serious look, and Brull then knew that he meant business. I thought that was cool!
As for Chorgan, he was a pretty amusing leader. I liked it when Picard said that if he had wanted him destroyed, he would not be talking to him (now). Also, it was interesting when Riker saved his life by killing Yuta. Chorgan was relieved and told Riker that he would be in his debt, but Riker was too upset about what he had just done.
And it was too bad that Yuta didn't age and had the ability to feel pleasure genetically-engineered out of her. I'll bet she and Riker would have had an awful lot of pleasure together!