Starbase 133 is gigantic, dwarfing even the massive Enterprise-D. I can't help wondering where this space station is, as it must mean that it's in an important tactical galactic position. It can't just be above any ol' planet, as it's the equivalent of placing a naval base at an isolated village rather than a big city.

I believe in The Making of Star Trek by Stephen Whitfield, they printed the lyrics for the Star Trek theme. The last line in this song is `Remember, Remember Me.' I don't know if the writer knew this when he, or she, titled this episode, but I found it amusing.

Why isn't Wesley trying this experiment on the Holodeck? Isn't creating a warp bubble while in spacedock a potentially dangerous idea?

When the vortex appears in Sick Bay it pulls all sorts of objects off shelves and things, but Geordi says there is no evidence that there ever was a vortex. Did he look at all the junk lying around and think Dr. Crusher had thrown a temper tantrum?

Halfway through the show there's just Picard and Dr. Crusher left, Dr. Crusher mentions Will Riker and without checking any records, Picard simply says he can find no evidence for a Will Riker. If he didn't check the records then how does he know that there is no evidence for a Will Riker?

If this reality was created from Dr. Crusher's thoughts then how do the people and the computer know what she doesn't know and why isn't she the center of the bubble instead of Engineering?

Dr. Crusher can't take the Turbolift directly to main engineering because of a failure in Turboshaft 4. Just how are these Turboshafts laid out anyway? The `universe' is a spheroid that is contracting toward the center of the ship, there is no mention of any projections of unreality. So it would seem that a Turboshaft running straight from the Bridge to Main Engineering should be safe, but apparently the Turboshaft from the Bridge to Main Engineering must take the scenic route around the ship through the areas which no longer exist.

The ship rocks due to explosive decompression. How can it? The ship makes up the majority if the universe. What is it rocking against? For that matter wouldn't the collapsing bubble rock with it Why is the air rushing out of the ship anyway? The bulkhead is disappearing because as the bubble contracts the `edge of the universe' makes what it touches `unreal'. There is no vacuum for the air to rush into, it just ceases to exist upon contact with the `edge of the universe.'

At the end of the episode, people are seen walking through the umbilical tube from the Enterprise to the station, but the only reason the ship is at the station is to try and create a stable threshold for Dr. Crusher. So why are these people leaving the Enterprise?

Boy, that Wesley causes nothing but trouble. He took over Engineering and endangered the ship in The Naked Now, he broke the law of the Edo in Justice, his experiment with the Nanites almost destroyed the ship in Evolution, he was the one who started calling Barclay, Broccoli in Hollow Pursuits, which while not life threatening didn't help Barclay's self esteem any, and his experiments in this episode caused the whole problem. No wonder Starfleet Academy didn't want this troublemaker around. Surprisingly no one is happy to see him go in Final Mission. ("So long Wes. We'll miss your experiments going haywire and nearly destroying the ship. Keep up the good work at Starfleet Academy.") Of course, later Wes will be involved in a conspiracy in The First Duty, and he instigates an uprising on Dorvan V in Journey's End.

KAM: If this reality was created from Dr. Crusher's thoughts then how do the people and the computer know what she doesn't know?

Luigi Novi: Like what?

KAM: And why isn't she the center of the bubble instead of Engineering?

Luigi Novi: It's in Engineering because that's where it was first created.

"KAM: And why isn't she the center of the bubble instead of Engineering?"

Maybe, its because her mind created this universe, and she thought it would be in engineering, so it was.

The computer says there have been five starship Enterprises. It doesn't say "federation" starship Enterprises, just starship Enterprises. Then again, maybe Crusher didnt know about the NX-01.

Yeah, I and others mentioned this a couple of time on the Hopes, Dreams and Fears board for Enterprise.

But what does Crusher knowing about it have to do with it? It's the computer that should know about it.

Yeah, but the computer is part of the reality that's being driven by Crusher's mind. Hence it only knows what she does. (Which I admit isn't quite the way the ep presents it.)

Hmmmmmm.....that's a good point, kerriem. This would qualify this episoe as IOHIHM episode (It Only Happened In Her Mind). That may be a way to explain why the NX-01 wasn't mentioned.

Weak episodes in the first few years kept me from watching TNG regularly; it just wasn't compelling. With "The Best of Both Worlds" the show really hit it's stride, and "Remember Me" got me hooked on Star Trek again. This is the first episode I can recall a character's universe constantly changing around them; it happens again in "Parallels", "Frame of Mind" and "All Good Things". This is also one of the few episodes to feature Dr. Crusher that doesn't suk, as compared to episodes like "Sub Rosa".

GREAT LINE: "Just click my heels together three times and I'm back in Kansas." Beverly Crusher on the "bubble Enterprise"

Of course, the footage of the Enterprise coming into the Starbase is from "11001001"...and that Starbase is very simular to the one seen in STIII.

MISSING LINE: "Sorry to burst your bubble, mom" by Wesley.

I think the name of the episode is a reference to Hamlet, where "remember me" is what the ghost says to Hamlet just before fading away, rather than to the lyrics from the old Star Trek theme. The latter seems to be a rather obscure reference to be the basis of the name of an episode. Ultimately, it can be both, though.

Is this ep a tribute to the Twilight Zone ep, "And When the Sky was Opened"?

I'm not sure, and it's hard to hear, but it seems like when the computer is monitoring Picard's life signs, just before Crusher says, "There's something I've always wanted to tell you," it souds as if the the computer says, "Synaptic Function: zero." One might say that Picard is starting to fade out, but if this happens in Crusher's mind, then does she think the captain is an oaf? :-)

It's always fun to play spot Bill Erwin (Quaice). He's one of the kings of playing grumpy old men--which he has done on very funny TV show turns, such as "Seinfeld" (Kramer sells his records) and "Monk." One of his easily spottable roles is as the irritated old man at the airport in "Home Alone"; Catherine O'Hara tries to get his wife's plane tickets.

"Remember, remember me" were indeed the lyrics to the original theme. I used to have the sheet music.

I think with the five starships named Enterprise thing, they said specifically that there have been five starships named "USS Enterprise." Note the USS, so obviously the NX-01 doesn't count.

For this episode, that's true, but in Trials and Tribble-ations(DS9), no such qualifier was used.

Well, even ignoring Star Trek : Enterprise, that would make a nit in TaT, since the first movie showed an Enterprise before the NCC-1701.

Unless that ship wasn't considered a "starship."

In Trials and Tribble-ations the dialogue went something like this:

Lucsly: Which Enterprise? There have been five.
Dulmer: Six.

I think we all assumed he meant the Ent-E had just been built, but what if Lucsly had missed out NX-01 for some reason and then Dulmer had corrected him?

Dulmer meant the Enterpise E. First Contact came out later that year, and LaForge said in that movie that the E had been out for nearly a year.

Remember Me and Trials and Tribbleations is proof that Star Trek Enterprise didn't really happen and was just a holodeck program run by Riker and Troi.

Indeed, right after the above exchange between Scully and Muld--er, I mean Dulmer and Lucsly, in which they were asking Sisko which Enterprise he was referring to, Sisko responded by saying, "the first".

Not the first "Starfleet" Enterprise, or the first "Federation" Enterprise. The first.

We don't see all of the conversation though. When we come back from the teaser, Dulmer's already asking which Enterprise. How do we know that Sisko didn't say "Federation starship"?

It doesn't seem like that much of a stretch, and it would take out the nit.

Acually, it is in fact a big stretch. Coming right back from the teaser, Dulmer says something like, "ok captain, lets get too it, which Enterprise did you go back too". Seems pretty cut and dry to me that Sisko didn't say anything about "Federation Starship". Why would he have? No one had asked him yet which Enterprise they had went back too. And I'd say we do in fact "see all of the converstion", because as we rejoin the action, the three of them are just getting sat down in Siskos office. What other part of the conversation would there have been?

Its just further proof in my mind that "Enterpise" isn't cannon in the Star Trek Uninverse.

BUT this is a discussion we should be having in the Trials and Tribbleations board.

Agreed. "The Enterprise" was the closing line from the teaser. It's obvious that Dulmer's response in the opening shot of Act 1, "Be specific Captain..." is a response to that.

(Disclaimer: I argue only that the NX-01 is a retcon or continuity problem; Not that the entire series isn't canon, since canon is determined by Paramount, and not individual opinion.)

We hear "The Enterprise" in flashback, don't we? How do we know that's exactly what Sisko is saying to them?

JoshM>>What do you mean "we hear the Enterprise in flashback"? When he says it was the first Enterprise, he wasn't flashing back yet, he was in DS9s present time, getting ready to tell the story.

Luigi>>I respect that you like Star Trek Enterprise, and I wasn't trying to diss it, but Paramount does not determine what is canon and what isn't in my mind, if you know what I mean.

Oh, I see. I must have remembered it wrong. I thought that the teaser ends with the Dax/Sisko exchange on the Defiant bridge. I thought that it went like this:

(Flashback)
Dax: It's...
Sisko: The Enterprise

End Teaser
Credits
Coming Back

(Present)
Dulmer: Which Enterprise? There have been five.

But like I said, I must have been mistaken. It's been a while since I've seen it.

Crusher: I respect that you like Star Trek Enterprise, and I wasn't trying to diss it, but Paramount does not determine what is canon and what isn't in my mind, if you know what I mean.
Luigi Novi: No, it just determines canon. There is no such thing as "canon in my mind", because that's a contradiction in terms. The word refers specifically to official policy, not individual opinion.

And as far as Enterprise, well, I had plenty of problems with it too.

Luigi>> If its my "individual opinion" that Enterprise isn't canon, then theres nothing that Paramount can do about it. I can chose to ignore it if I want. Its not a "contradiction in terms", its just my opinon, and im intitled to it as long as this is still America

BUT this should be discussed in either the Trials and Tribbleations board or somewhere in the Enterprise Kitchen Sink.

Canon means what the powers-that-be decide what is offical and what is not. In your mind is what you decide what is offical is not can't be canon because that's your opinion.

I didn't say that there was anything Paramount can "do about it." I simply said that "canon" isn't determined by individual opinion, as the word refers to the accepted standard set by someone in a position of authority.

Yes but if I chose to ignore what Paramount considers canon, then thats my choice, and therefore would be "determined by individual opinion", mime!

Yes, but this is NitCentral. And Phil's "Nitpicker's Prime Directive" is as follows:

All nits picked shall derive form sources the creators consider canonical.

(Towards the bottom of the page).

ScottN>>

I never said the nits weren't vaild, where did i say that? In fact, why would I say the nits here wern't vaild, since the nits from Remember Me and Trials and Tribbleations proves there is a continuity error as far as these two episodes saying there were 5 (or 6 in Trials) starships Enterprise, and the Enterprise from Star Trek Enterprise are not counted in that count? That just goes to prove my point.

I was just saying that I ignore Star Trek Enterprise, I never said ANYTHING about nitcentral or anyone here doing so. Please do not put words in my mouth. You are bringing something in the the conversation that was never said by myself or anyone else. If you can point out anywhere where I said anything about nitpicking Enterprise, then I ask you to point it out.

Crusher: Yes but if I chose to ignore what Paramount considers canon, then thats my choice, and therefore would be "determined by individual opinion", mime!
Luigi Novi: Your opinion is determined by individual opinion. What is canon is not. Again, the word canon refers specifically to an accepted standard.

You can choose to ignore what is canon and what is not, but that does not change what is canon. Similarly, reading a book and ripping out the third chapter is your right, but that does not change the content of the book.

To provide discussion of the episode, to bring Dr. Crusher back to the regular universe, they have to align the ship to the spot where the accident happened. Did they take into account that the entire universe is in motion and therefore that spot moved?

I think you'd have to also take into account things like energy and matter. Even if you go back to the same spot (accounting for the fact that that spot moved as indicated above), you'd also have to account for the energy conversions that have occurred at that spot. "space" if it were, still has energy passing through it. Therefore, how would you account for the energy levels being different in that spot when you returned to it.

Returning to the point of origin is pointless unless the characteristics that define that point are the same. Having said that, I under the opinion that in order to do that, you'd have to violate some thermodynamic laws regarding entropy.

dotter, i never said that what I chose to consider canon changes what is canon. Point out where I said this. You and Luigi are not reading my post all the way through before you respond, and therefore you both are putting words in my mouth. I said I CHOSE TO IGONORE Star Trek Enterprise and don't cosider it canon. That in no way said that it isn't canon to you guys or to Paramount. But since that show has not real bearing on what happened on the 5 Star Trek shows that came before it (or after it if you chose to look at it that way) then its very easy for me to ignore it, the same way that the creators ignored most of the continuite between it and the other 5 shows.

Don't forget that the great bird thought that some things in star trek 5: The search for shatner's hair piece" aren't part of the star trek time line.

(or I've read that he thought it that way somewhere... some book full of nits... )

Crusher: You and Luigi are not reading my post all the way through before you respond, and therefore you both are putting words in my mouth.
Luigi Novi: I find that an ironic accusation, given that it is you who actually seems to do this, given that seem to be consistently ignoring my statements about what the word means, never once responding to that point directly.

For my part, I did not respond before reading your post "all the way through."

Crusher: I said I CHOSE TO IGONORE Star Trek Enterprise and don't cosider it canon.
Luigi Novi: And one more time, I am pointing out to you that canon is not determined by individual consideration. It is determined by Paramount policy. There is no such thing as canon "to you guys." Canon is canon. The word canon refers to an accepted standard. Not individual opinion or consideration. I've stated this twice before, and you haven't responded to it.

A cannon is something that propels a projectile by means of some large amount of explosive/

Yes Luigi I have responded to it, over and over and over, IF you would take the time to READ my posts. You don't know how silly you sound, telling me I HAVE to consider it canon. What if I don't want to? Are the canon police going to come and throw me in jail? What country are you from Luigi, because here in America, we are free to ignore whatever we want. I said NOTHING about what is canon "to you guys". Don't twist what I said friend. I have not ignored what you are saying canon means, but your definition of the word canon is not what the conversation is about here. Keep up!

Hey Luigi, Canon refers to the "accecpted standard" I heard that somewhere.


Interesting you use that term, since the creators of Enterprise seemed to have no standards as far as story or continuity. lol

Crusher: Yes Luigi I have responded to it, over and over and over, IF you would take the time to READ my posts.
Luigi Novi: No, you have not responded to it. You respond to my posts, but only indirectly, by explaining your point of view in general terms. You have not, however, responed to the point that the word canon does not refer to subjective opinions, but accepted standards.

You have not demonstrated that I have not read your posts. It is you who has demonstrated that you have not read mine (or at the very least, are continuing to ignore the central point of my response).

Crusher: You don't know how silly you sound, telling me I HAVE to consider it canon.
Luigi Novi: I didn't say you have to consider it canon. It is canon. Further demonstrating that you are deliberately ignoring the content of my posts, I never said you have to consider it canon precisely because canon isn't determined by individual considerations. Canon refers to official policy. Not individual opinions.

Crusher: What if I don't want to? Are the canon police going to come and throw me in jail? What country are you from Luigi, because here in America, we are free to ignore whatever we want.
Luigi Novi: Ignoring the definition of a word doesn't change that definition. What Paramount considers canon is a question of fact, not opinion. What you seem to be describing is an interpretation. Not canon.

Crusher: I said NOTHING about what is canon "to you guys".
Luigi Novi: Yes you did, in your July 3, 7:41pm post:

That in no way said that it isn't canon to you guys or to Paramount.

Your words. Not mine. Thus, there is no "twisting."

Crusher: I have not ignored what you are saying canon means, but your definition of the word canon is not what the conversation is about here.
Luigi Novi: There is no such thing as "your definition." There is only the definition. That is, the one found in dictionaries. And that definition refers to an accepted standard. As it pertains to Trek, canon is determined solely by official Paramount policy.

As far as what the conversation is about, when people disagree in discussions such as this, it is important for them to have an understanding of the terms they are using. Because this discussion is about what is and isn't canon, it therefore is necessary to be clear on what the term means. Thus, that becomes an important part of the conversation.

Crusher: Interesting you use that term, since the creators of Enterprise seemed to have no standards as far as story or continuity.
Luigi Novi: You'll get little argument from me there, although I think there were some good episodes.

Josh? Perhaps this thread should be moved to its own board, beginning with either my Jan. 31, 11:09pm post, or Crusher's Jan. 31, 11:45pm post? Thanks.

Butch is the NextGen moderator, Luigi.

Oh yeah. Btw, I mistakenly refered to Crusher's February 3rd post as "July" 3rd. My bad.

this is so funnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnny!

I read all your posts between Luigi and Crusher!

sometimes I cant stop laughing
, at least Lugi, you don't use the screaming yellow

sorry, Luigi

I'll leave these posts here, but if you wish to carry it on further, please start a thread in the Sink under Everything Else.

I do not wish to Butch, and sorry about wasting space here, although I did TWICE say that we should move it to another board. Luigi ignored it twice.

No, I didn't. I myself repeated the suggestion myself in my second-to-last post.

Yea, 3 days after i suggested it! Better late than never, right?

I don't see how that means that I "ignored" it.

Mr. Crusher, not everyone is able to check and reply to every post made every day. I myself only am able to check this site on the weekend or every two weekends. Sometimes, I'm too busy and I disappear for months.

I realize not everyone replys to posts everyday, but Luigi does. I guess, like me, he has alot of extra time on his hands!

When the vortex appears in Sick Bay it pulls all sorts of objects off shelves and things, but Geordi says there is no evidence that there ever was a vortex. Did he look at all the junk lying around and think Dr. Crusher had thrown a temper tantrum?

*returns to her semi-regular nitpicking*

Given that Crusher's faux Enterprise crew thought she was losing her mind, it's a distinct possibility. She could have been faking the whole thing.

There were interesting non-scenes in this episode. What I'm referring to are the fact that in Dr. Crusher's universe, there were no exterior shots of the ship used. I thought that was a nice way to give her universe a "smaller" feeling.
Also, Gates McFadden was teriffic in this episode. She seemed especially animated in her expressions, and was quite fascinating to watch. I can imagine her playing a claustrophobic scene very convincingly.

Once again, just like I said on the board for "Where No One Has Gone Before", I wonder about Tau Alpha C, where the Traveler is from, and how far away from the Federation it *really* is.

Crusher actually tries to set course for that world, but according to what was said in "WNOHGB", the Federation knows virtually nothing about it! She doesn't even know if it has an atmosphere that she could breathe in. But, after all, she just wants the Traveler's help, she probably does not want to beam down for a visit. You know, to meet the folks, meet the wife and kids, if the Traveler's race even has families or even reproduces in the traditional sense!

Anyway, just in the nick of time (how convienent), the Traveler shows up on his own. I guess his race doesn't need starships, or even life support, to get around the galaxy. Hey, maybe's he's even been all over the whole Universe!

I really wish that they had explored the whole Traveler theme a bit further, instead of just having him in only THREE episodes. And as for how he takes Wesley on as his protege/traveling companion, I have no comment about that. I mean, why couldn't they have *somehow* visited Tau Alpha C JUST ONCE?!

Oh well. Maybe it's true in this case, that "less is more"!

This is one of the more unnerving and somewhat sureal episodes complete with unusual music to match. Also, the sounds the computer makes as Wesley does his calculations are a bit unnerving as well and were used only in this one episode.

All and all, a unique episode and one of my favorites of all the 'Treks.

How come Beverly does not get blown into the void when the turbolift and corridors start vanishing, and why are there no visible system failures as she runs for her life?

"The warp bubble is contracting at a rate of 15m a second"


Enterprise D length: 642.5m

15mx60s = 900m/min

Even with the bubble @705m full size, Beverly had less than a minute to live.
And with the bubble's walls cutting through the ship, she had much less
than that to get to Engineering.

I wonder if this episode was inspired by the Classic TZ episode, When The Sky Was Opened. The premise is similar, people vanish, and only one person (in this case, Dr. Crusher) remembers that they even existed.

Of course, the explanation here makes a heck of a lot more sense then the TZ one did, IMO.