With Riker, Geordi and Data all on other ships, does that mean O'Brien is Picard's temporary first officer?
How does Sela know about the "ship with the android captain"? Has she been in contact with Data in this role?
Data's first officer seems familiar - should we know him from anywhere else?

Data says he has been in Starfleet for 26 years and in The Pegasus, it was said Riker was an ensign on the ship 12 years ago, seven months out of the academy.
So Riker is first officer on the Federation flagship in just 12 years and has been offered several captaincies yet Data, who has more experience, is a lower rank and actually has to ask Picard for a temporary captaincy on the Sutherland.

Is Sela's story about being Yar's daughter really true? Picard says he doesn't believe her, yet we never hear another explanation....

Yes, presumably true. Remember Yar went back with the Enterprise-C in "Yesterday's Enterprise", so it's possible...

In the beginning of this episode Kurn's warbird is under attack. Worf announces the rear shield is gone. An external shot then shows the warbird taking four or more hits to an intact rear shield!

It must be a xenocultural difference... Gowron started out with most of the fleet against him, and while he suffered some defeats he did seem to hold out pretty well- he was able to attack immediately after Picard suggested it, with excellent results. Yet he is accused of being a poor leader...

Which brings up some other issues, some of which Phil mentioned in the books. How does a small fleet blockade the border? (I can only assume Picard chose a 'bottleneck' border region, say through a badlands area, but this is not mentioned.) How is Picard able to bring this fleet into Klingon space with so little trouble? Sure, Gowron agrees, but shouldn't the Duras officially complain? They are, after all, claiming to be the true government, and the Feds have a history of being 'sensitive' in such matters.

What is the Romulan fleet bringing, anyway? Gowron seems to feel that some evidence of Romulans assisting the Duras will completely discredit them, but shouldn't this be obvious already? (To use a roughly similar example- Britain was supplied by the US during WWII. As a result, British supplies were hauled in US trucks and dukws, British troops used US tanks and artillery, etc. Or is the high council demanding neutral proof? "Gowron captured 1000 more Romulan disruptors, 5000 Romulan 'R' rations, 235 Romulan medkits, and a Romulan when he blew up that Duras supply base but still we need a second opinion...") Surely all the soldiers on both sides already knew the Duras were Romulan-backed?

Picard seems to have completely forgotten about the Enterprise C Everyone keeps saying 'Yar would have been a child at Narendra,' as if they have forgotten that Yar #2 was sent back in time. He should have immediately realized that it was entirely plausible that Yar #2 was Sela's mother.

My question is: since blonde hair is genetically recessive, is Sela a bottle blonde?

Anonymous, since the timeline changed, nobody remembered the 1701-C coming through. IIRC (It's been a while), at the end, (the original timeline) Geordi says that there was a sensor shadow that looked like a ship, but then the anomaly closed.

Very correct ScottN, The neat thing about one of the 5 best TNG episodes is the crew has no memory of it. It was alternate Picard who sent alt Yar back in time to Regula. Picard has no memory of the timeline. Only Guinan has a vague sense about it.

On page 299 of the NextGen Guide II, Phil incorrectly states that Picard proposes sending "a freet". what Picard actually said was "Afreet", which is a birdlike demon from Arabian mythology. ;-)

Sela tells Picard of events that happened when she was 4 years old. How many things can you remember from the age of 4?

When the low yield photon torpedoes explode around the cloaked Romulan ships, how come we see the outline of the ships, not the outline of the cloaking field? (Or are the cloaking fields actually ship hull tight?)

Earlier it was stated that the capital city was off limits to fighting, but towards the end of the show we see a shot of the city and there are fires burning and a ship is firing down on the city.

In Redemption I believe Picard tells Worf that a Starfleet officer serving on a Klingon vessel during a time of civil war was a violation of the Klingon/Federation treaty. Even Worf's attempt to go on vacation was turned down because Picard knew that Worf would be fighting for Gowron. So Worf resigns from Starfleet, so that he will be a private Klingon citizen and can fight with no treaty violations, whatsoever. However, at the end of Redemption II Worf requests permission to return to duty and Picard allows it.
John Hobson in the NextGen Guide II suggests that Picard never officially processed Worf's resignation so that Worf could return to Starfleet duty with no difficulty. The problem is that this explanation means that officially Worf was still a member of Starfleet and therefore Worf's fighting for Gowron was a treaty violation.

Exactly what nationality is Worf anyway? He is a member of Starfleet, so one would assume he is also a member of the Federation. However, he is also head of the Klingon House of Mogh. So does he have duel citizenship or does Starfleet consider him to be a 'Resident Alien?'

Throughout the series it is referred to as the House of Mogh, after Worf and Kurn's father, but when Mogh was a boy wouldn't the House have had a different name? Or is Mogh actually Worf's family name? Later it is revealed that Kurn has a family of his own, so why isn't he a member of the House of Kurn? Or are these Houses only named after people because of some special or unusual circumstances?

My niece, Kristina, wondered why Picard called Troi and Crusher into the Observation Lounge when he had already made his decision?

Sela tells Picard of events that happened when she was 4 years old. How many things can you remember from the age of 4?

I think I'd remember the events that lead to my mother's execution. I do remember some events from when I was 4. I remember going to pre-school when I was 4. I remember when my parents were gone for a week looking at new houses and I stayed with my grandmother. Neither of these were traumatic experiences and I remember them, what Sela described would have been very traumatic so it seems reasonable that she would remember.

Brian I can beat that

I remember something from when I was 2

I was riding the Dumbo Ride at Disney World. The color on my cart was blue. I rode with my mother and my older sister. My sister presses the red button that makes the ride go up and she pushed that button with her thumb.

Of course I can't remember much until I was about Four or Five.

Why does Gowron want Picard(a human) to stay and witness Worf killing that Duras boy. Wouldn't that event be a Klingon matter only(no outsiders allowed)?

Would Worf had gone through and killed that boy if Picard wasn't watching?

Toral's challenge to Gowron's position as Chancellor relates to Picard's installation of Gowron to that position. It makes sense that, from the perspective of Klingon law, that the Arbiter of Succession should witness the finalization of any termination to such a challenge.

Or maybe Picard is a big fan of those "Faces of Death" videos.

CONFUSING SCENE: Picard ALLOWS Sela to board the Enterprise & into the Ready Room?! Was that really a smart thing to do?

Couldn't the conversation be carried over the viewscreen on a secure channel or something?

Obviously Hobson doesn't embrace I.D.I.C. either.(what's going on here?) seeing he cannot "accept" Data being in command. Hobson had better start learning some discipline...otherwise he'll wind up being janitor soon. In my opinon, Starfleet is an "equal opportunity employer"...and Hobson should know that.

John A., with all due respect, that`s more than a bit naiive.
A whole lot of people know a whole lot of fine and noble things...but that doesn`t mean they a)agree with them or b)remember them under moments of stress.

That is a most logical counter argument

Earlier it was stated that the capital city was off limits to fighting, but towards the end of the show we see a shot of the city and there are fires burning and a ship is firing down on the city.

True, but Klingons seem to have little trouble with committing war crimes and voilating treaties, Worf himself even said "in war there nothing more honorable then victory". And to quote Admiral Ross "Inter Arma, Enim Silent Leges"

What with the Pathetic fire power of gowrons ship? It can only fire little burts (then again one burst destroyed a BoP in a single shot when it had it's shields down), but for a ship that size where are all the heavy distruptors and photon torp's?

I still feel that The ENT-D should have helped Gowrons ship. Yes you'd be dragging the fed's into a Klingon Civil war, but with the power of the federation they beat the Duras very quickly, Sisko probably would have taken the defiant in . As for what history would say, history is written by the victors, ack I sound like Gowron :|

I don't think Picard is in nearly the sort of position to make a decision that can effect the Federation. He's captain of a starship. He acts in the name of the Federation when he is on that bridge, and his actions reflect on the Federation. If he helped Gowron out without being attacked by the ships attacking the Bortas, he would be taking a side in a civil war in the name of the whole Federation, and he cannot claim his actions were personal. If they were personal, then he misused Starfleet property, put Starfleet personnel at risk, violated Federation policy, started an interplanetary incident, if not a war, and could have permanently damaged relations with an ally had Toral's side won the war. He'd lose his command, his career and do a long term in a Federation prison, if he's lucky. If not, he'd die at the hands of some pro-Toral Klingons or go to Rura Penthe.

I am sorry I hadn't caught this, but rereading the conversation, I saw a post that asked a couple questions about the Romulans in this episode.
First, the question of what the Romulans were shipping to the Klingons was asked. I think the best answer is Romulan knockoffs of Klingon equipment. The Romulans seemed determined to keep their involvement secret, so it makes sense for them to manufacture copies of Klingon materiel. If Gowron's men were fired on by Klingon ships shooting Romulan weapons, or took Romulan disruptors off dead Duras troops, the game would be up. Also, I am sure the Romulans have industrial replicators, and could get pieces of Klingon gear to run off copies of. This would provide an advantage to the Duras faction two ways. If Gowron's side had all the industrial worlds in the empire, the Duras need supplies to keep their war effort up. If they either split the industry evenly or have an advantage, the Romulan-made stuff widens the gap in the Duras' favor.
Another question asked was, how would the Federation exposing the Romulans' involvement irreparably harm the Duras cause? Easy. I'm sure many Klingons fighting for Toral were unaware that he was being helped by, and even a puppet of, the Romulans. If this were exposed, many of those warriors would abandon his side, and most of those might switch to Gowron. Also, the discovery of the subterfuge could lead to a huge outcry among the powers of known space. The Romulans would be humiliated, and so would the Duras faction, who would lose any perceived legitimacy their victories gained them in the eyes of the galaxy.

Just noticed a nit while rewatching this on SpikeTV. When the Duras sisters are trying to convince Worf to join them, Sela interrupts saying "enough, you failed." Worf can see Sela's face on the display and we can clearly see that he has no reaction whatsoever. Shouldn't he have recognized her as Tasha Yar? The crew on the Enterprise bridge certainly did.

Yeah, I noticed that when I first saw it too.

So did Phil. I think. Maybe it was in NextGen Vol. II.

Volume I, actually.

Worf can see Sela's face on the display and we can clearly see that he has no reaction whatsoever. Shouldn't he have recognized her as Tasha Yar? - Anonymous

Maybe all Romulans look alike to Worf.

That's what I thought.

Timothy Carhart (Hobson) played the fat-sucking Virgil Incanto in the X-Files episode "2Shy." He also played NSA agent Eric Rayburn in the second season of "24."

And a pretty scary killer on LA Law who almost killed his attorney, John Spencer's ex-wife, who unsuccessfully prosectued him.

Near the end, Lursa & B'Etor beam out the room...leaving their nephew Toral behind.

Nice aunts!

Toral does kinda get kicked around by everyone in these two episodes. First Gowron implies that his mother was a prostitute. B'Etor slaps him in the face when he suggests killing Picard. Sela tells Lursa & B'Etor to "silence the child or send him away" when he tries to get involved in the battle plans, proving who was really running the show. Lursa & B'Etor leave him to the mercy of Gowron near the end. Even Kurn gets in a little dig with his sarcastic "Toral, the next leader of the empire, Gowron is looking forward to seeing you." No wonder he seems so ticked off when Worf meets him again on DS9.

Why do B'Etor and Lursa call for Romulan supplies the second battle is joined, and why is it that the Romulans can't wait until the battle is over before trying to deliver the supplies? Don't any of the Klingon ships carry enough supplies to be able to fight at least one battle without running out? Do the Romulans really intend to try and resupply a Klingon fleet while its in the middle of a battle?

Worf walks into the bar to discuss repairs on Kurn's Bird-of-Prey. He is carrying a Klingon PADD that contains the relevant information on it. After a long discussion with Kurn, who states as fact that at least half the Klingons in the bar belong to the Duras faction, Worf relents and decides to have some Klingon style fun. This decision is marked by Worf throwing the PADD away. So, we are to infer that Worf-the former head of security on StarFleets flagship and Mr 'Duty comes first'- Thinks there is nothing even remotely wrong with throwing a PADD that contains valuable information away in a bar filled with enemy personal? Lets hope the Duras Klingons played nice and returned it without having read what was on it.

By the 24th century humans are meant to have evolved past such petty things as Racism. Yet for all this the First Officer on Data's ship makes several blatantly Racist/Xenophobic comments - He says at one point that 'No one expects a Bolian to make good engineer'. Is such an attitude A; In keeping with an 'evolved' 24th century human? B; In keeping with a Commander in Starfleet who would have to deal with other species on a day to day basis? C; Something that you'd want to admit to on the Bridge in front of half the crew?
I would have thought that any Starfleet officer showing Xenophobia would be asked to leave, or at least not assigned to a Starship.

Or reeducated, or something. It just goes to show that prejudicial behavior is hardwired into our brains. If he were to interact with more Bolians--maybe he could be temporarily reassigned to Bolarus--that would probably help.

Meg , I remember being
robbed -Knotts Berry train ride- the conductorhad to calm me down and I didnt enjoy the day at all, my parents were mad at me because it was a joke. I was 4 something...I threw up on after the ride from hell!( had no lunch or dinner either, silly me) hope you are still on Nit.
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I didnt like that Hobson guy either-he seemed racist.I wouldnt want to serve under him! did I see him on the good ol Enterprise D in Schisms ?

Wow- surprised Andre hasn't chimed in on this one. I'm guessing he won't like it because it's not to Gene's vision or something. I like it as a wrap-up to the whole "Worf's honour" thing.

Well, I did recently comment on "Redemption, Part One". Did you happen to see that yet, Rod?

As for "Gene's vision", well, I dont think that happens to apply in this case. But as for the "prejudiced Starfleet officer" angle, well, here's what has been said about it already:

Cybermortis in 2008:

"By the 24th century humans are meant to have evolved past such petty things as Racism. Yet for all this the First Officer on Data's ship makes several blatantly Racist/Xenophobic comments - He says at one point that 'No one expects a Bolian to make good engineer'. Is such an attitude A; In keeping with an 'evolved' 24th century human? B; In keeping with a Commander in Starfleet who would have to deal with other species on a day to day basis? C; Something that you'd want to admit to on the Bridge in front of half the crew? I would have thought that any Starfleet officer showing Xenophobia would be asked to leave, or at least not assigned to a Starship."

Luigi, also in 2008:

"Or reeducated, or something. It just goes to show that prejudicial behavior is hardwired into our brains. If he were to interact with more Bolians--maybe he could be temporarily reassigned to Bolarus--that would probably help."

And I happen to agree with both of those posts. Also, remember the bigoted Enterprise crewmember from "Balance Of Terror" who hated the Romulans because they had killed his father, and therefore he was prejudiced against Spock as well? At least he seemed to turn around and be more reasonable by the end of that one, but here, Christopher Hobson is never seen being "redeemed" in any way, and is a disappointing example of the fact that bigotry and xenophobic attitudes on the part of humans does indeed still exist in the 24th century.

And how about when I bashed "Take Me Out To The Holosuite" for the attitude of the arrogant Vulcan captain and his superiority complex towards humans? That seemed totally out of place to me, especially in the 24th century, but unfortunately, the humans proved to be not much better in the way they presented themselves later on after their "defeat". That DS9 episode in particular I really did not care for, but my point is, there still happened to be blatant examples of bigotry and racial prejudice in both the Roddenberry *and* Bermaga Eras of Trek.

And that, I feel, really is a shame!

Also: Rodney, why do you feel the need to continue asking my opinion of Trek episodes? It's kinda getting on my nerves, to be perfectly honest. Are you trying to test my patience as to how much prodding about nitpicking Trek I can tolerate? I would advise against that, it wouldnt be a very good idea.

And just what the hell am I supposed to do about everything in Trek being different and in many cases worse after Gene was gone? These shows and movies are, like, twenty years old or more, so there ain't a single thing I can do about a lot of it being sub-standard, mind-numbingly boring or stupid, or just plain "not what Gene would have wanted".

I have no power or authority to change any of it. And apparently nobody else does, either. Whatever, lets just get over it move on with our lives. Isn't that what you and others around here have wanted me to do for the last three years or so? Or is my memory faulty all of a sudden?

Believe me, concerning this two-parter with a seemingly racist Starfleet officer (who we nevre even saw or heard from again anyway), there are much worse atrocities and abominations that exist in the Trek canon that are truly not part of "Gene's vision", so I think I can live with it. You know what I'm saying?

Also, remember the bigoted Enterprise crewmember from "Balance Of Terror" who hated the Romulans because they had killed his father

It wasn't his father, it was an ancestor that had died in the Earth/Romulan War, 100 years earlier.

"It wasn't his father, it was an ancestor that had died in the Earth/Romulan War, 100 years earlier."

I see. Well, close enough. It still gave the Lt. Stiles (I remembered his name) understandable reason to have hatred towards the whole race, considering the events of the episode. But like I said, his attitude changed after Spock saved his life, so there was indeed hope for him after all.

As for Lt Cmdr. Hobson, well, it didnt seem that anything was going to change his mind concerning his bigoted statements concerning various races and their abilities/disabilities, and after he served on the Sutherland with Data, we never saw him again. I wonder what happened to him.

Also, the actor, Timothy Carhart, played the attempted rapist of Louise who was then killed by Thelma, and he also played the main character's husband in "Candyman: Farewell To The Flesh" who was brutally slaughtered by the title character. He also acted on "CSI" and "24". Just FYI!

Rodney, why do you feel the need to continue asking my opinion of Trek episodes?

As hard as this may be for you to accept, I actually like reading your opinions- I may not agree with all of them but I find them interesting and thought-provoking. No ulterior motive.

Why would a Bolian make a bad engineer anyway? Wasn't Chell on the Engineering team?

And for a totally random question, what would a Breen think of Mr. Freezes suit?

"As hard as this may be for you to accept, I actually like reading your opinions- I may not agree with all of them but I find them interesting and thought-provoking. No ulterior motive."

I see. Well, thank you for your answer. I appreciate it.

As for "Bolians not making good engineers", well, perhaps the only Bolian Lt Cmdr. Hobson had ever met was Mr. Mot, and the negative association started from there. After all, barbering was really the only thing Mot was good at, right?

And what about Rixx from "Conspiracy", he was the first Bolian to be seen on TNG, and he was a starship captain. But they never did officially confirm whether his ship had been destroyed like Walker Keel's had been. I still wonder about that!

"And for a totally random question, what would a Breen think of Mr. Freeze's suit?"

Well, I am of the opinion that Star Trek and comic book franchises should NEVER cross over, because when they did just that back in the 90s, the world was subjected to the travesties that were both of the Trek/X-Men comics. I hope that TPTB dont ever let that happen again.

Besides, it's pretty apparent that the Trek Multiverse and the DC Multiverse are incompatible with one another. Just because DC and Marvel could crossover, as well as DC with the Mortal Kombatverse, it doesn't mean that Trek would interact with it all that well.

Just my opinion on the matter!

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Andre: Well, I am of the opinion that Star Trek and comic book franchises should NEVER cross over, because when they did just that back in the 90s, the world was subjected to the travesties that were both of the Trek/X-Men comics. I hope that TPTB dont ever let that happen again.

Besides, it's pretty apparent that the Trek Multiverse and the DC Multiverse are incompatible with one another. Just because DC and Marvel could crossover, as well as DC with the Mortal Kombatverse, it doesn't mean that Trek would interact with it all that well.

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They don't have to cross over. Maybe the Breen ambassador happened to come across some of Tom Paris' comics (I'm sure he has some) in one way or another. Maybe

Btw, speaking of which, would what be the best board to point out nits in Arkham City? PC games maybe, but it's on multiple platforms. There's one part that bothers me when I play it that raises a question that I just might be missing an obvious answer to.

"Too late".

Fudge. I forgot about those. Goshdarn cheese and crackers!

There's certainly no accounting for taste, now is there? (And yeah, there are Trek/Dr. Who comics as well. Aarrgghhhh!!)

When Gowron's ship warps away from the star shouldn’t it have gone back in time? In Tomorrow is Yesterday they were thrown back in time when they used warp to escape the pull of the neutron star that they inadvertently got captured by. Is not the key to going back or forward in time then using warp to escape from the gravity of a star?

Not completely. Apparently, you have to go at very high warp and follow precisely calculated trajectories. At least, that's the impression I got from ST IV: The Voyage Home.

Why would Data bring the phasers back
online? This made no sense whatsoever.