Doesn't it strike anyone as odd that:
a) Riker et al on the surface don't act very concerned about having lost contact with the Enterprise.
b) the Turbolifts suddenly work when the auto-destruct is activated.
At first, a) struck me as odd as well, but Riker might have been reacting similarly to how some including I react to certain issues. If there's nothing I can immediately do to improve a possible future disaster then all you can really do is pray and hope for the best.
Okay, but every other time that the crew has lost contact with just one person, never mind a whole ship, everyone really gets concerned.
After Picard broke the glass in the Observation Lounge, we see the Galaxy-class model dangling by a thread, and then at the end of that scene Lily picks up the pieces of it! When did it fall? There is time for it to fall, but there is no noise or anything.
Picard also tells Lily, when he gives the padd to her, that he wants the crew to "find a quiet corner of North America". Why then are they landing on some Pacific island?
Maybe they are trying to get the Professor to solve their dilema or Mr. Howell to bribe the Borg or... (I watch far too much television!!)
Why do all the Borg die when the queen dies? If killing the queen kills all the Borg connected to her then in Voyagers 'Dark Frontier' they missed a golden oportunity to kill all the Borg in the universe by not killing the queen.
Is it just me or does the collective say 'lower your weapons' when they first encounter Enterprise crew members who have phasers pointed at them?
Just how many additional Federation ships are destroyed between Data saying the fleet is ready to fire and Picard standing there before he gives the order?
To bad Lily didn't get to bring her machine gun on board, if it was fully loaded she could have mowed down Borg easily as guns seems to kill them easier then phasers.
I wonder if the Phoenix had inertial dampeners? If not them everyone in it would have been splattered against the walls.
Firstly, it was actually Picard who said "Lower your weapons", and I know this becuase Picard's lips move as this happens. Though I can understand why you thought it was the Borg. It sure sounded like the collective. Which reminds me: who played the voiceover?
Second, that inertial dampener thing struck my mind as well, thanks for noticing.
In this movie Data gets hit by a flurry of machine gun bullets and barely flinches, yet in "Times Arrow, Part 2" Samuel Clemens threatens him with a Colt 45. Are Colt bullets more powerful than advanced machine gun bullets (That can take out a Borg?!?)
Mike Ram>> Good memory but I dont think that Data felt threatened by the weapon. It was Picard who instructed everyone to stand down.
ChrisB>> Thats what I'd like to know. About the queen that is. Why did they all die? The only thing I can make is that there was some 'special' connection b/w these Borg drones and their queen that does not exist in any other Star Trek story. But that would be inconsitent with what we know of the Borg now.
I also wondered about the machine guns. My 'UN'nit to that is that the Borg were not prepared for Picards attack. I suspect that if they had tried that as a key to killing all the Borg they would have adapted their shields by the third or fourth dead drone.
And Finally, My answer to the Picard question is at least three ships. BUT my 'UN'nit to the premise that he should have fired early is this: He could hear the Borg. He could see there was a weak spot in 'this' cubes defenses because of the way it was responding (or not responding) to a necessary repair. Picard waited for the moment that the vessel was in the most distress to give the order to open fire.
Aaron>> I have to watch the scene again but this is what I thought. I thought the 'crew' was going to an island. But Riker, being stranded without transportation, was told just to stay there in North America and stay out of histories way. (seems a bit flaky to me too.)
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Here's one that just occured to me:
Before both attacks on the Borg, Worf says that he has set the rifles to a rotating frequency mode. Then he says that the Borg will adapt quickly. If the beam frequency rotates, then why would the Borg adapt?
We've seen this before. Even with Modulating and rotating frequencies the Borg have been able to adapt. Even in TNG when they boarded the ship with the modified phasers (the ones Wesley modified) each phaser only gave them about 4 shots before the BORG learned to adapt. I took it to mean that the BORG would be able to figure out the 'logorythm' quickly and eventually (after about 4 shots) be able to anticiipate the frequency of the next hit.
If the Borg can see people with weapons, why do they wait for them to make the first move?Basically, by that logic, if Data hadn't ripped out the emergency handle, they could have made it to engineering and won, just like that?Obviously the Borg have no concept of a pre-emptive strike.
Why didn't Picard ever mention the Borg Queen at the end of 'Best of Both Worlds II', when he's unborgerized? Doesn't he think that that's important? Or is he of the opinion, "Oh, who cares? The cube that took out Wolf 359 is sleeping in hell. No biggie." Or what about when he's yakking with Hugh in 'I Borg'? Or what about Q?! Doesn't this seem like a Q thing to do, to mention that there's a queen out there who they'll never kill, and mockingly lament that oh, shame, they're in for the time of their lives if they ever encounter HER?
Ah, the Borg Queen: the ultimate example of These Temporal Paradoxes Give Me a Headache!
Oh, stop thinking so three dimensionally!
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrgggggggggggggggghhhh!!!!!!!!
Starfleet should seriously stick to one auto-destruct activation sequence. In TOS and ST:III, the destruct sequence required codes by the captain, two other senior officers, and finally the captain. Then, in TNG, activation simply required the captain and first officer authorizing it. Finally, in this movie, it reverts back to old style.
Worf enters an auto-destruct code. Last I checked, Worf got rescued from the Defiant, and volunteered to work at tactical. He shouldn't have the auto-destruct code.
Perhaps Starfleet policy has changed and any officer with a reasonably high rank (in this case, Lieutenant Commander) would be able to activate it.
Again, command officers probably "carry" their codes along with them when they transfer to another ship.
Notice that Riker says that the Defiant is a tough little ship and Worf says "little?" I think that he is drawing attention to the fact that the Enterprise-E is shorter (in decks) than its predecessor. And There is that date thing in the beginning. Wasn't Cochrane on Alpha Centauri during WW3 and then he came back after? I am thinking of events from the book Federation. And titanium is hard to come by today, where doesn Lily get hers? And how do they get money?
Federation doesn't count. The novels are so definitely non-canon.
Relating to the self-destruct sequence, there is yet another version of it on Voyager that only requires Janeway's authorization. You would think that they would be consistent.
When the Enterprise in caught in the temporal wake, Data reports Earth's population as approximately 9 billion, all Borg. Question. Since when can sensors pick up Borg lifesigns?
They couldn't in "Q Who?".
Probably the sensors got an upgrade. Or they scan for other things that Borg emit instead of standard lifesigns.
According to First Contact's teaser trailer, Voyager should have been fighting the Borg... to see more on this go over to the Voyager Sink and click on "Voyager...Cut from STAR TREK: FIRST CONTACT???!!!" Just want to know what you all think...
Old news my friend. The nitpickers discussed this ad nauseum when the movie first came out.
Oh, sorry... I wasn't around then :(
And another thing... Can I find any of the old discussions? Just curious.
I think a bunch of old NextGen boards got wiped out a few months ago. (I resisted the urge to call the Old New Star Trek boards.)
Note from the moderator. The original NextGen boards were lost in April 1999.
I found it odd that the Vulcans did not exit the ship in isolation suits. Wouldn't it be "logical" for them to protect themselves from all of the unknown viruses on Earth? They don't have transporters yet so there is no biofilter for them to be run through. I suppose the scene would have looked too odd with them is full body suits.
When the Enterprise in caught in the temporal wake, Data reports Earth's
population as approximately 9 billion, all Borg. Question. Since when can sensors
pick up Borg lifesigns?
They couldn't in "Q Who?".
In Voyagers "Dark Frontier" in the flashbacks, the Hansens ship is able to detect lifesigns on the first cube they find. So I guess it is possible.
"Q Who" was several years before "First Contact." Starfleet probably developed sensors that can detect Borg. It would make sense to work on a way to detect such a powerful enemy.
THE CHANGING FACE OF THE BORG:
In "Dark Frontier" 7 of 9 experiences flashbacks where she sees herself about to be assimilated (or is that in "The Raven"). Anyway, in these flashbacks, the Borg look like they do in First Contact. In the flashback, they should look like Uncle Fester with tubes sticking out.
Why did the Borg change their appearance anyway? Isn't that irrelevant.
It's like Roddenberry said about the Klingons- they were always like that, we just never noticed. (snicker)
This movie should change the events that occurred in the old series episode "Metamorphosis". If Picard and crew went back to the 21st century and met Cochrane, then shouldn't Cochrane have some sort of recollection of these events to tell Kirk, Spock, and McCoy when he meets them? (I know. That episode was made prior to this movie, but shouldn't the writers consider things like this before going ahead with a project like this?) Also, the Cochrane of that episode wasn't the drunken and sometimes unfriendly person his is in this film. Perhaps the boredom of living forever on this planet has changed him. There isn't anyone, except for the Companion, to get nasty at! The Companion has powers that could probably silence him.
Presumably, Cochrane didn't tell Kirk et al. about the future b/c he didn't want to mess with the timeline. With respect to his different attitude, well, I think you nailed it- the time alone on the planet, plus his life between First Contact and Metamorphosis, could have changed him. Perhaps turning into a legend had an effect? With respect to the fact that he is SHORTER in Metamorphosis ..well ..err ...never mind! .^)
IMHO, the Borg have differnt branches. Each branch is slightly different based on what the Borg have assmilated. When we first saw the Borg they had tubes and they didn't assimilate. Later, they still had tubes but they assimilated. Hugh had fewer tubes and didn't seem concerned with assimilation. (that ship that picked him up had to know that the Enterprise was there somewhere and we know from BOBW that the Borg don't give up just because they can't see what they want on their sensors) The Borg of Descent were totally wacky, with energy weapons on their hands. Seven is from a different branch as well. They seem to be almost like the Kazon sects- radically different in appearance but all the same underneath.
Chris Booten; perhaps the Enterprise couldn't pick up Borg lifesigns through the hull of the Borg cube, but when they scan through an atmosphere they can spot unshielded Borg drones moving about.
Why Star Trek: First Contact Sucks
Essay by Anthony Leong © Copyright 1997
"Two Thumbs Up"
"The Best Star Trek Adventure Ever"
You've seen the ads, extolling the virtues of the latest Star Trek adventure. Though it was commercially successful and well-received by critics and a non-traditional audience, the problems with this eighth Star Trek outing were many, and the true fans of the Star Trek universe could see them:
Production Problems
The opening credits were blurry.
What is this obsession with making the Enterprise a dark and moody place, instead of the well-lit and warm environment of the television series? The only time they did this on the television series was when they were in the alternate universe where the Federation was at war with the Klingons ("Yesterday's Enterprise").
Plot Holes
At the opening of the movie, the Enterprise-E is doing research near the Neutral Zone, which is such a long distance from Earth that subspace messages are delayed an hour. However, Picard and company listen to 'live' battle communications and manage to warp back to Earth in time for the final battle.
If the Borg wanted to go back in time to stop the formation of the Federation, why travel all the way to Earth, and then do the time warp, when someone can see what they are doing? Why not go back in time where no one can see you and then go to Earth? Or alternatively, the Borg could have just gone back in time and destroyed either Vulcan or the Vulcan survey ship.
Why do the Borg always only send one ship to attack the Federation? If they sent two or three, they would be unstoppable (especially with the ease by which Starfleet vessels are destroyed in a firefight against the Borg).
If the Borg Queen was present when Picard was Borgified in "Best of Both Worlds", how did she escape the destruction of the Borg vessel at the end of the episode?
So the Vulcan survey team picks up a warp signature from Zefram Cochrane's ship during the very brief warp trip. How did they know to land in Montana to find him?
Who financed the building of the warp ship? In a post-apocolyptic world, I don't think there would be too many venture capitalists with risk capital to spend on this sort of thing. Hell, even NASA can't get money for unmanned space probes in this day and age.
When Picard and Worf went outside the ship to stop the Borg from completing their communication beacon, why didn't they just beam out there or use a shuttlecraft instead of doing a time-consuming spacewalk along the hull?
The Borg are slow, yet they manage to take over the Enterprise-E virtually undetected and assimilate crew members. Even if a crew member was trapped by one of these things, about to assimilated, they must have had time to alert someone with their comm badge. And wouldn't the shipboard sensors have detected the presence of the Borg as soon as they got on board (in the television series, the bridge was always alerted to the sudden appearance of an alien presence anywhere on the ship). And once the Borg were detected, couldn't the crew just have beamed them all into space?
Picard shows up in the middle of the Starfleet battle against the Borg and assumes command of the whole fleet. Who died and made him Admiral?
Earth is a post-apocolyptic world following World War III fought with nuclear weapons. Where's the nuclear winter?
Changed Premises
Picard has had seven years to get over being Borgified in "Best of Both Worlds". So why is he still so vulnerable when it comes to the Borg. He didn't whig out in the other Borg episodes of the series ("I, Borg", "Descent")... so why should he now? Plus he had the opportunity to destroy the Borg with the invasive program in "I, Borg", but he felt it was unethical. And what is it with this mental telepathy with the Borg Queen? How come Picard never experienced it before?
It is possible to 'rescue' a Borgified human being... after all Dr. Crusher was able to save Picard. But in "First Contact", Picard shoots anyone who has been assimilated because he's "doing them a favour" (proof that he's whigged out).
If the Borg have a collective consciousness, why do they need a Borg Queen? What purpose does she serve?
Troi seems to have lost her telepathic abilities. She was alone in a bar with Zefram Cochrane and couldn't figure out who he was.
In DS9, Sisko always sends out at least two of his command staff on the Defiant. In "First Contact", he only sends Worf.
Equipment Oddities
The plasma coolant leak at the end ate away all organic tissue but did nothing to Data's uniform.
Zefram Cochrane's warp ship was a modified ICBM. How did it land after the historic flight? It didn't have any wings or landing gear.
In "Thine Own Self", Data was 'killed' when he was stabbed by a metal spike. In "First Contact", Data is unharmed by bullets.
The Borg personal shields can stop phaser blasts, but don't protect them from knives or holodeck machine gun bullets.
Speaking of the holodeck, when Picard ducked in there to escape the Borg, when did he find time to change his clothes?
In "Generations", Data was prisoner to the rampant emotion chip. However, in "First Contact", he can turn it on and off at will.
The USS Defiant is pretty useless for a supposed 'Borg fighter'. Not only has it been crippled so many times on DS9 (by the Maquis and the Jem Hadar), but Worf had to abandon it at the beginning of "First Contact" after being pummelled by the Borg.
When Picard was assimilated in "Best of Both Worlds", they removed his uniform and comm badge. In "First Contact", Picard kills a Borg and finds a Starfleet uniform and comm badge underneath the Borg outfit.
The Recycling Bin
Time travel, self-destructing the Enterprise... nothing we haven't seen before.
The Moby Dick allegory for destructive obsession was already used before in "Star Trek II". The use of it in "First Contact" was really contrived.
Miscellaneous
Counsellor Troi was wasted in this movie, both figuratively and literally. The highlight of her appearance was getting drunk for the sake of some cheap laughs.
Another character lost in the shuffle was Dr. Crusher. Unlike in the television show, where she was seen as someone Picard could talk to, she merely 'did her job' in this movie. And her scene in sickbay was upstaged by Robert Picardo's cameo appearance as the Emergency Medical Hologram.
"You broke your little ships." 'Nuff said.
So much for preserving the time-line. The loose-lipped crew of the Enterprise reveal interesting tidbits about the future to Cochrane, which is a definite no-no and use their futuristic equipment in plain sight.
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Picard shows up in the middle of the Starfleet battle against the Borg and assumes command of the whole fleet. Who died and made him Admiral? Admiral Hayes.
Some of the comments in the above article are interesting, but most of them can be explained.
-The opening credits were supposed to be blurry.
-The Neutal Zone isn't that far away from Earth, as the Romulan Wars (with Earth)caused the Federation to be formed. As for a time delay, advances in comm technology?
-The Queen escaped from the first Borg ship in an extradimensional manner, as she alluded to by her "three-dimensional thinking" comment.
-I would imagine that a scan of Earth would reveal where the ship was, or where it was launched from. Who financed it? I would imagine that there are a few scientific grant agencies or rich people out in the boonies who have money, they weren't all neccesarily killed in the war.
-It's been ten years since the war, maybe the nuclear winter is almost over.
-Dr. Crusher saving Picard from the Borg required major surgery, something which is not easily accomplished without a sickbay especially if most of the crew was affected.
-Troi probably arrived at the bar before Cochrane got there and got drunk before he arrived, which caused her to forget gabout her emphatic sense.
-Data's uniform isn't organic.
-I would imagine that the cockpit of the ship ejected from the main craft and soft-landed in Montana.
-I wouldn't call the Defiant useless as a Borg fighter. True, alone it didn't do a lot, but the original plan was to have a fleet of Defiant-class ships(which they never did for some reason.) It lasted most of the battle, doing some damage, and still survived, even if the crew had to evacuate.
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Empathy and telepathy are two different things; Counsellor Troi could have read that he was some kind of angry drunk, or caught his depression, but not read his name.
On another note, there's no use trying to use Dark Frontiers to shore up other nits. Voyager's team have public declared their disdain for continuity and, really, anything involving pre-Voyager Trek. "The next series will have less technobabble." "We're trying to get away from the starship finding new worlds idea." For our next trick, we'll rename all the aliens and rewrite the physics!
Bleh! I'm not happy with these people.
This kind of ties in… Sam Ramer's The Joy of Trek (you recall, the one Paramount sued over and won, the one that led to the downfall of the Guides) has several categories of Trek fan. They are: Baby-Boomer Original Show Torchbearer, The Picard Brigade, The Roddenberry Elitist, The DS9/Voyager Enthusiast, and the Trek junkie. I can't decide where I fit in. I'm lukewarm toward the original show and Voyager, but I also like DS9, so my category would probably be "the DS9 junkie brigade." Although I like a lot of the early novels based on the original series, so I'm not sure how that fits…
Happy Third Anniversary First Contact!!
November 22, 1996 Release Date
Okaaaaaaaaaaaay..........I didn't realize people celebrated the anniversaries of movie release dates.
Calm down, they're just mentioning it.
Matthew, I'm a fellow DS9 Junkie Brigadier! :-)
Actually, I don't know that all those categories work particularly well. Especially the DS9/Voyager Enthusiast category -- I know lots of people who love DS9 and can't stand Voyager (myself, for one. Though I've lowered my standards for Voyager a lot, and that's taking the edge off my loathing), and vice versa...
True. But at the time, they were funny categories, and Voyager wasn't that bad. (The book was published in the summer bewteen the third and fourth seasons, although it did contain preliminary information on Seven of Nine and it did mention Kes leaving.)
In the battle with the Borg the Enterprise looks a lot bigger than it should against the cube. I mean the "D" looked tiny compared to it and the "E" looks a lot bigger than the "D" did next to it. Maybe it's a smaller cube?
When Picard picks a phaser rifle, he gets a type 4 but later when Data talks about anxiety he has a type 3. Also, the light on Picard's rifle burns out in that scene for a split second.
Why does Worf turn off his rifle when jumping down? Is it low on power or something?
Worf tossed Data a type 4 phaser rifle yet Data uses a type 2 hand phaser later. And what happened to Picard's type 4 ( Or 3...) rifle when he told Data to cover him?
Data makes "umph" noises while fighting the Borg. IS that a nit?
When Picard and Lily walk through the ship there is one scene that has a long metal thing through the middle of the hallway. What is that? It's not a Borg thing, and we've never seen things block the hallways like that before.
To fight the Borg on the deflector why didn't they use the yacht from INS. It's accessable and they could modify the weapons to disable the deflector without hitting it too hard.
Why were the deflector maglocks so hard to turn? Why not use a simple button or something instead of a hard to turn steel rod thing?
The sun way WAY too small and not bright at all! Also the Enterprise fired a torpedo at the warp ship so why didn't Riker or Geordi notice? And what about the Vulcan ship?
I'm surprised there is no mention of geting the Borg bodies back that were floating in Earth orbit at the end of the movie (They were shot off the hull.)
Finally, how did Data get his skin back in INS? I guess he looked for it in engineering then had Crusher seal it back to his face.
Good night and merry Christmas everyone.
Happy Y2K, Here is First Contacts first nit of the new year: The Borg Keep sending a single Cube Into Federation space you would think after the loss of the first one they would adapt and send reinforcements.
Did anyone really believe they would destroy the Enterprise-E, given this was its first appearance?
Well, they did it to the Enterprise-C in "Yesterday's Enterpise" and the Reliant in STII.
True, but I'm talking about an Enterprise commanded by the regular crew - the Enterprise-C wasn't.
As for the Reliant, lots of other starships get destroyed on their first appearance.
Here's a real puzzler....
OK According to Picard, the Borg Queen was "there" in "The Best of Both Worlds".
In this movie the Borg & their queen go back to the past to change the future....
At the end of this movie Picard snaps the queen's neck ...killing her.
SO... the question is....How could the Borg queen be "There" in "The Best of Both Worlds" when she was killed in "First Contact"?
Does that mean Picard's history of being "Borgified" won't happen or what?
I see it like this:
Borg Queen in Cube in BOBW
A few years later, Borg Queen goes into past.
History is altered - for a time - but put back on track by the Enterprise crew.
Picard kills Borg Queen.
To Chris Thomas....
You missed the nit, my friend.
Only Earth's history was corrected.
According to the movie, The Borg Queen was killed in the last half of the 21st Century by Picard by snapping her neck.
Remember - BOBW occured in the 24th century.
So now she can't be "There" in BOBW cuz' she was killed in "First Contact"
So the Borg Queen undid HER OWN future!
She was "There" before in BOBW, but now she can't be- cuz' she's dead.(STFC)
Unless there are 2 Borg Queens or a clone- then it would make sense for the Borg Queen to be dead in the past yet "there" in the future for BOBW.
The Borg Queen shows up again in a "Voyager" episode ....don't know the title.
So I suppose there would be 2 queens or several clones of her.
I hope this explains it.
My idea is that whenever a queen dies, a new one is "elected" if you will. The new queen would have all of the memories of the old so she would be virtualy identical to the old queen. That is how she was on the cube in BoBW, First Contact, and Dark Frontier. They were different bodies, but the same queen. Make any sense?
John, to (mis)quote the Borg Queen, stop thinking so three-dimensionally!
Ah, I see - it's the grandfather paradox at work.
Different bodies, same queen makes sense too!
The Queen's two bodies, eh? Hey, it's a time-honored concept. The body is with the Queen, but the Queen is not with the body... :-)
Perhaps the Queen is/was capable of independent time travel. For example:
She is with Locutus in BOBW, but uses some kind of time-shift a few years into the future to escape that cube's destruction. She then appears in "Dark Frontier", but nothing happens to her there, so we assume that, for reasons unknown, she then went a couple of years into the past for "First Contact", when she died.
It was suggested that she dies at the end of Dark Frontier because she was in the lead ship during the trip down the conduit. When the conduit collapsed they had debries appear. So presumably she died there too. She really has to stop meeting with the Federation.
Here's One....
It is clear that when the Borg Cube fires on the Enterprise-E, the Enterprise's shields are up. (you can see a blue glow)
HOW then could the Enterprise beam over the survivors from the Defiant with its shields up?
Picard did NOT say, "Shields down, beam over the surviviors from the Defiant"
A technological upgrade perhaps? (You beam over even when your shields are up)
A nit just occurred to me as well. Data slams his arm through the giant coolant tank to liquify the borg. After this scene, Picard and Data have a conversation about Data feeling better than he looks while the Warp drive strumms away in the background. Is anything cooling it?!? Wouldn't this be something of a problem?
In the final scene, there is also a line about using the warp drive to emulate the Borg temporal vortex. So the warp drive seems to work, the what do the coolant tanks cool? Now the tank on the opposite side of the warp drive is still intact, it just seems like an awfully large system to have a redundant backup.
Wouldn't you want a backup for such an important system? If you lose one tank you have the other one to cool it. It probably isn't as efficient as both tanks but it will still work to a limited degree.
Every time I see that scene with Lily confronting Picard in his ready room over using the escape pods and blowing up the ship, I always wonder if the first draft had Guinan in it.
FIREWORKS AND APPLAUSE!
This movie marks the first time anyone used a seatbelt in "Star Trek".
Capt. Kirk's chair in STTMP was not a seatbelt. It was a restraining unit.
A seatbelt goes all the way around the lap and in STFC's case, over the upper torso
I just rewatched this movie the other night, so here’s my attempt to settle all Borg Queen-related nits, acknowledging that the whole Borg concept has been sort of watered down a bit in the Voyager series and acknowledging that some of this was suggested in part by previous posts:
::Why didn't Picard ever mention the Borg Queen at the end of 'Best of Both Worlds II', when he's unborgerized? Doesn't he think that that's important? :: M. Jenkins
Picard obviously had some memory blocks about his Borgification experience. As he hears whispers throughout the movie, it comes back to him. This explains why he never told the Federation about that 1 key spot on a Borg cube which, when hit in unison, blows up the cube. Similarly- when Piccard confronts the Queen, he says something along the lines of : “I remember now- you were there” – his memory of the event has surfaced.
::If the Borg Queen was present when Picard was Borgified in "Best of Both Worlds", how did she escape the destruction of the Borg vessel at the end of the episode? If the Borg have a collective consciousness, why do they need a Borg Queen? What purpose does she serve? The Queen escaped from the first Borg ship in an extradimensional manner, as she alluded to by her "three-dimensional thinking" comment. :: Anonymous
I resolve this nit by going to the basic definition of the Borg- ONE collective mind. As such, the QUEEN is just an INTERFACE between the Collective and outside races to make it easier to communicate. This is similar to the Borg’s attempts at making Picard into Locutus – a Queen-like interface between the Borg and one specific race, humans. The Queen may also be a conduit for Borg commands- much like a Queen bee in a hive - which would explain why the Borg in the Ent-E sort of fall apart after she’s killed. Similarly, the fact that Locutus had Queen-like command stature is seen in I, Borg, where Piccard assumes a Locutus-like role in commanding Hugh. Since the Queen is still ONE consciousness – the collective’s consciousness - her appearances in BOBW, First Contact, Dark Frontier all make sense- she’s just manifesting, as Borg spokesperson/command center, in a new body- each time- no time travel necessary. The fact that she IS the collective is what her reference to “three dimensional thinking” is to – i.e. – she’s n-dimensional- where n=the number of Borg in the collective.
:::According to the movie, The Borg Queen was killed in the last half of the 21st Century by Picard by snapping her neck. Remember - BOBW occured in the 24th century. So now she can't be "There" in BOBW cuz' she was killed in "First Contact" So the Borg Queen undid HER OWN future! She was "There" before in BOBW, but now she can't be- cuz' she's dead.(STFC):: John A. Lang
No offense John, but I think you’re describing a common misconception about time travel. Even if the Borg Queen were a single individual (as opposed to a manifestation of the collective as I posit above), just because she “dies” in the 21st century, she does NOT change her future. The Queen who died in the 21st century would be the 24th Century version of the Queen, NOT the 21st century version – therefore, there is no effect on her actions in BOBW. To the extent that there was a 21st century version of the Queen (and there might not have been- it’s possible that the Borg didn’t start using Queens until the 24th century), then there are TWO Queens in the 21st century during the events of STFC- the 21st century version and the 24th century version. Only the 24th century version died.
Regarding the Queen, I'd like to give you my theory. I think the queen is a huge, ugly slug-like creature surrounded by wires, conduits and sludge right in the middle of some Borg infested planet. The queen is of advanced intelligence because she has a brain the size of a shuttlecraft. However, the queen is also very vain and enjoys cavorting around in the lithe bodies of people she assmiliates. Therefore, when Picard killed her off in STFC, she just said "Oh well, there goes manifestation number 2471... I'll just assmilate another humanoid female for number 2472. And that's why a similar looking queen showed up in Dark Frontier. She just likes the look. At least that's my opinion. Does anyone agree or do I just have too much time on my hands?
Good Theory. The queen that we see isn't the "real" queen, only her puppet.
Alhough it's a theory that violates the fundamental premise of the Borg: A collective, single, mind. Unless of course you argue that the WHOLE collective is really the one slug-mind in the center of Borg.
No offense taken. That's the best explanation yet!
This is not something I would normally do, but I feel it has to be done. I must point out that Anthony Leong's essay, "Why Star Trek: First Contact Sucks" is basically a slightly reworded plagiarism of an article called "Worst Contact" in the April, 1997 issue of Sci-Fi Universe magazine. The article was written by Robert Meyer Burnett and David J. Hargrove, and contains all the points Leong brings up. It's pretty obvious that Leong lifted them directly from the article.
Sorry if I sound a little too uptight about this. I'm not trying to play "morality police." I wouldn't even have said anything if Leong hadn't made such a bold claim of authorship (he included the copyright symbol, for Pete's sake). I guess I just believe in credit where credit is due.
I guess you could say he "assimilated" the article..tried not to at first, but resistance was futile.
(Sorry...I couldn't resist...but you're right....
that was wrong)
Happy First Contact to you!
Happy First Contact to you!
Happy First Contact dear Zephrame.
Happy First COntact to you!
Anyone else watch the horribly chopped up version of ST:FC shown on ABC. They cut the hell out of the it.
Most of the Borg implant violence was gone was well as parts of the spacewalk. Oh, well. I guess it was necessary for the ratings. But man did it kill the opening sequence without the dream sequence and popping implant.
On a positive note, I did spot the location of Gravett Island. Just above the display, they show these numbers: 18 136 128. Assuming this is lat/long/alt notaion, that puts the target of the ships at 18*S 136*W 128m above sea level. Taht puts it about 1000 mi east of Tahiti, in French Polynesia.
First Contact shows us that, by giving up heavy drinking, and returning to astrophysics as a hobby, a man can take twenty years off his appearance and, if he's willing to travel and make a little effort, attract all sorts of interesting members of the opposite sex!
How did Cochrane know his ship would work?
(go to warp speed) There was no mention of a "test flight" in the movie.
Was the voyage we saw on the Phoenix the test flight?
I would presume it was.
This is probably just an accident, but in the scene when Picard slams the phaser rifle into the display case, he actually manages to break two models - the Enterprise D (as we all know), and the model of the Enterprise C. On the floor of the case is the hull of the D with one nacelle broken off, and a saucer section. The saucer section of the D is still hanging on the wall, but the C is missing its saucer.
Picard destroyed the models of the ships he had a hand in destroying.
Does anybody know of the scenes that included Captain Sisko in this movie? Obviously, they were cut, but I wonder why and what they involved. Perhaps they could have given some insight as to why Worf was only sent on the mission.
Were they filmed at all?I remember , early in the production of the film, reading that Sisko would make an appearance, but to my knowledge they scrapped that idea pretty early on.I could be wrong though.
Perhaps Sisko was injured on the ship when the battle began at the Typhon expanse, along with the rest of the senior staff except Worf, conveniently enough.As the Borg ship continued to Earth, pursued by the remaining Starfleet ships Worf assumes command and evacuates the injured senior staff to safety by shuttlecraft.He then rejoins the battle.
If you can ignore the overly convenient factor of all the senior staff except Worf being incapacitated, I think it makes sense.It seems unlikely that Sisko would send Worf alone with HIS ship on such a dangerous mission, when he is portrayed as the kind of man who would do it himself.
I remember hearing about a scene (cut and unfilmed, most likely) where Sisko sends Worf off to the fight, while he and the staff stay to guard against the Dominion taking advantage of the situation. Kinda like Picard and crew watching the Romulans.
All I read was that on the Internet Movie Database, Avery Brooks was credited as playing Captain Sisko in the movie but his scenes were deleted. Now that implies that there was footage, it just never made it to the final screening.
When Picard and Worf went outside the ship to stop the Borg from completing their communication beacon, why didn't they just beam out there or use a shuttlecraft instead of doing a time-consuming spacewalk along the hull?
(Anthony Leong, quoted 18/11/99 by Anonymous)
If whoever wrote this had been watching the movie prior to the spacewalk scene, he would have noticed that Picard quite clearly says:
"We can't get to deflector controls, or a shuttlecraft..."
During the spacewalk, they used magnetic boots. Two questions:
1) will magnetic boots really stick to a starship hull?
2) what happened to the gravity boots from STVI?
Warf's spacesuit is punctured. The expendable helmsman's spacesuit must be punctured when he is assimilated. Yet both suits are repaired somehow, either by the wearer or some automatic system (I refuse to believe a newly assimilated human can survive vacuum even if a fully modified drone can).
So, why are punctured suits potentially fatal in Voyager? (The one where Harry and Tom are duplicated by the 'sentient mercury' and the one where Tom and B'lanna (sp?) declare their love while hanging in space.
How does Picard turn off the holodeck safeties? In Descent it took 2 senior officers. Must be programmed by the same bod who does the autodestruct. (OK, maybe he got Warf to do it from the Bridge when we weren't looking.)
There's a possible answer to why Riker and Cochrane weren't flattened by the acceleration despite not having inertial dampeners. The warp drive doesn't push the ship. It creates a field that envelopes the ship and draws it along. Inertial dampeners aren't needed because every particle of the ship and its contents are caught in the same field. Just like gravity.
So why are inertial dampeners needed in TNG and Voyager? Maybe they can't keep the field density the constant over the volume of a large ship, or at high warp. The inertial dampeners cancel out the resulting shear forces.
Didn't Worf jury-rig his spacesuit, tying it with a piece of cord above his knee, so no oxygen would escape through the puncture?
He did, but after that shouldn't his leg below the knee have been completely destroyed by the vacuum?
tying it with a piece of cord above his knee
Actually, he tied it with a piece of Borg below the knee.
Why would his leg be destroyed? Aside from the extreme cold; maybe Klingons have strong resistance to a vacuum?
The Borg queen: my theory.
The Borg queen was created for the time travel mission because the Borg would be disconected from the collective until they constructed the antenna on the deflector dish. She had all the memory of the collective consiousness and the authority to act as "the boss." About BoBW: She was speaking as the collective, and the queen there was an illusion.
How did the Borg survive while they were working on the deflector dish? I realize that their cybernetic attachiments aren't affected, but they still have a face and eyes that were exposed to the vacuum of space. Nothing was mentioned about personal force fields. Why didn't theirs eyes (or eye singular, depending on the occular attachments) puff all out and blow up?
Their nanoprobes protected them.
I guess Federation history was corrected. Admiral Hayes was killed here, but reappears later on Voyager in one of the messages from home. Question: Is Susanna Thompson once and again the better Borg queen? Alice Krige definitely does not sleepwalk through this movie. (Was it good for you, too?) I do not watch "Trek" movies on network TV anymore; too much is cut. What new fangled type audio disc does Cochrane play "Magic Carpet Ride" on? I guess CD's and mini-discs are dinosaurs by that time. This also is one of the few times that "Trek" mentions bodily waste elimination.
I read in a tech magazine that soon information will be encoded on nearly-transparent disks, with several layers of code. These new disks are supposed to replace real CDs, since they only have one layer because of their non-transparent surface, so the clear plastic disk Cochrane used looks very interesting to me now...
Admiral Hayes wasn't specifically mentioned as being killed. His ship was destroyed. So was the Saratoga in the battle of Wolf 359 but Ben Sisko survived that one so why can't Hayes survive his ship's destruction. He was probably the first one to be evacuated because he's commanding the fleet rather than a single ship. So I don't find it contradictory in any way. The only problem with the idea is the fact that the Enterprise should have swung by to pick his lifeboat up. It's hard to command a fleet from a lifeboat!
The one thing I always wondered about this movie was the what the Queen planned on doing with Data. She asks him how long it's been since he's had sex. They proceed to get it on. The only problem is, she's wearing pants made of metal! I don't get the impression that they come off very easily.
Yes, those would be the FMD (Fluorescent Multilayer Disks). They are completely transparent and consist of 12-30 layers (50-140 GB).
This error is at the part where the doors open and Riker sees the Moon. Cochrane asks if it's still there in the 24th century. Watch Riker's head position. As he says how there are 50 million people living there his head is cocked to his left shoulder. The shot changes and he's suddenly upright and his head is much closer to the bar that his hand is holding.